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Vinny Zollo and forward thinking recruiting

We all know by now Billy Gillispie never takes a break from recruiting (I hope he sleeps well on the plane).  His philisophy for procuring players for UK seems to be "recruit often, recruit early, and recruit aggressively".  Just last week UK received a non-binding verbal commitment from 8th grader Matt Avery (Tru did a wonderful job of laying out the pro and cons of this practice in a post Saturday).  Dominique Ferguson, a sophomore from Lawrence North High School in Indianapolis  also recently verbally committed to UK.  

What I can only describe as Gillispie's "forward thinking" recruiting style produces another possible verbal from Greenfield McClain High School's Vinny Zollo.  Zollo, a 6'9' 220 lb. hybrid forward seems like he's leaning Lexington's way in a fight with Tennessee and West Virginia for his services in 2011.  Zollo is a player with an extremely high talent ceiling.  He's experienced some growth, and has become a big man who handles the rock pretty well. He also has an exceptional perimeter shot.  Another plus is that he's competing with, and against very talented players while hoopin' it up for Indiana Elite on the AAU circuit.

I must admit I am very impressed with Zollo's maturity level.  He seems to be a very serious-minded young man, which for a high school freshman is as rare as a Christian Laettner sighting within the borders of the Commonwealth.  I highly recommend listening to Marc Maggard's interview with young Mr. Zollo (the interview is 18 minutes long).  I think most will find Zollo very astutely aware of what is important when it comes to winning basketball games.

By my count Gillispie has received verbal commitments from the following "undergraduate" high schoolers (current grade in school listed): Matt Avery - 8th grade, Dominique Ferguson - sophomore, KC Ross-Miller - sophomore, GJ Vilarino - junior, and Dakota Euton - sophomore. If Zollo commits as expected, add another freshman to the list.

If the current rate of early commitments continues Gillispie will have stuck his nose, and his relationship with UK fans, out on a very tenuous branch overhanging a bottomless pit.  I like his guts, and I love his style.  I just hope the "Texas Tornado", who as of late practices revolutionary "forward thinking" recruiting, knows what it is he does.  

Recruiting high school seniors is a very unpredictable task, much less players who are 14 and 15 years old.  Recruiting and coaching players are unpredictable, fluid undertakings (see Legion and Jasper).  Attempting to determine now what will happen in three, four, or five years is terribly unreliable prognosticating.  I feel though that Gillispie knows this, yet is confident enough in his own abilities to overcome any negative repercussions he may have to endure. After all, if committed players don't develop as he envisions, a Plan B may need to be implemented.  So obviously HAVING a Plan B at the ready is vitally important.

There is though something to be said for knowing what one has in store in the future as far as positions filled, versus positions needed.  Right now Gillispie has "promised-out", at minimum, five scholarships for 2010 and beyond (Zollo would make six).  As a fan, I am trusting my coach to deliver what he feels is the best team he can field for UK.  If Gillispie has determined that "forward thinking" recruiting is the most expedient way to return UK to the top of the college landscape, then I'll support that philosophy, until I'm proven wrong.  

He must remember though that UK is not a place to conduct a market test.  This is the big time. What we as fans have going for us is that Gillispie didn't arrive at his lofty perch through mis-evaluating prospects.  But the flip side of that very conflicted coin is the fact that he hasn't offered mid-teens scholarships in his previous head coaching positions.  Ergo, he has no track-record for his current actions.  How is one to accurately judge whether Gillispie's recruiting activities are being intelligently carried out?  We can't because he's breaking new ground even as I type.  It's exciting in a roller coaster kind of way I suppose.  We love to be flung around, and upside down, but at the same time we're praying that the wheels don't come off the track.

Like most UK fans I love the aggressive attitude Gillispie brings to the recruiting trail, but is there such a thing as being too aggressive, too early?  The variables at work in this particlar recruiting dynamic are many.  Too many to attempt to break down or evaluate.  Which is what makes this whole scenario of super-early offers and commitments so unsettling as a fan.  Fear of the unknown is the best way I know how to describe how some fans feel at this juncture.  So my advice is to hold on tight and hope for the best.  Gillispie will continue to receive this fans support until I have a reason to not support him.  

"Forward thinking" recruiting -- Is it the wave of the future?  I think so ... unless it's proven ineffective.  For the sake of UK fans everywhere, and Coach Gillispie, I hope Lexington isn't ground zero for the reason this philosophy becomes debunked.

Thanks for reading, and Go 'Cats!

 

Update [2008-5-5 22:29:18 by Ken Howlett]: Vinny Zollo committs to UK. Thanks to Zoso and bluenva for the heads up!

Update [2008-5-6 18:51:34 by Truzenzuzex]:  Sports Illustrated has a pretty good and reasonably objective article looking at the Avery commitment and the trend toward younger players committing.

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Ferguson
Soph (class of 2010), not frosh. He is same grade as Ross-Miller and Euton.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 5, 2008 7:15 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

You of course are right ...
... I have problems counting forward.

by Ken Howlett on May 5, 2008 12:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Repeat after me...
Lawrence North High School
Lawrence North High School
Lawrence North High School

See also:
Conley and Oden

Thanks

by IndyCat644 on May 5, 2008 9:06 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

My apologies
I have known of Lawrence North HS for many years now.  The school has produced so many great players over the years, but I can't get past calling in North Lawrence.  Perhaps because it rolls off of the tongue a bit easier. I don't know.

by Ken Howlett on May 5, 2008 12:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

its all good
I've been reading the boards for a couple months now and have noticed that little slip once or twice.  Maybe you are thinking of Bedford North Lawrence?? (Damon Bailey)

Just messin...nice to finally man up and post though instead of just lurking.

by IndyCat644 on May 6, 2008 11:16 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Forward Thinking Recruiting
As you noted, Gillispie hasn't tried the "sign 'em young" approach anywhere else... but heck, if he signed an 8th grader at UTEP or A&M, they wouldn't have been halfway through high school before he left!  Heh heh.

Since CBCG is obviously committed to this approach, I would hope that he saves one or two scholarships in each class for "contingency" plans so he can scoop up a late-bloomer who has Kentucky Blue in their eyes.  I'd hate to see a McDonald's AA be interested in Kentucky, but we're stuck because we offered all our scholarships for that year 3 years earlier.

by chirop1 on May 5, 2008 9:37 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

The reason...
Gillispie hasnt tried his forward thinking anywhere else... could it be that he knew he was not going to be anywhere for more than a handful of years at the most? This could be a very good thing for UK because it shows that he plans on being here for a good long while.
Neil Carter

by KingKentucky on May 5, 2008 11:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Billy G

We wanted a coach that recruited better and we got one. It's going to take quite some time until we can determine if this new strategy works better but the ride sure is fun.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on May 5, 2008 10:32 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Aggressive recruiting
UK fans were pining for a more organized, aggressvie recruiter.  We certainly have that now.  This is a different type of recruiting that is unproven at this point though, hence my cautionary stance.  But as always when there is big risk involved, there hopefully awaits huge rewards.  

by Ken Howlett on May 5, 2008 12:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I Don't Agree With That
Tubby recruited well. Not just at UK. His 2008 class at Minnesota is Top 10 rated and his 2009 class is off to a great start. He has offered several in the 2010 class, some who will commit this summer.

His classes at UK incuded early commitments from sophomores and juniors.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 5, 2008 3:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

40
Forty, I know that you are an unapologetic Tubby supporter.  For the record, I liked the guy but feel that in general, 10 years is enough in any one place.

I also know that you routinely dig out the rankings of the classes that Tubby brought in.  I think even you would have to admit that Billy G's progress to date has certainly generated more "buzz" surrounding Kentucky on the recruiting scene in several years.  It is also undeniable that we are getting more progress earlier in the process and it is much more publicly accessible to the average fan.

I think that by and large, this is exactly what the average Joe UK fan has been wanting... recruiting that we can SEE.

by chirop1 on May 5, 2008 3:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Agree And Disagree
10 years, yes. He's in a better place for him.

Recruiting BUZZ, yes. But better recruits, no.

Tubby recruited against Gillispie (both as head coaches) from 2003 through 2008.

Tubby's classes were/are better (higher rated) in 2003, 2004, 2006, and 2008. Gillispie's were/are better in 2005 and 2007.

Tubby's class in 2009 is better (so far). Gillispie's class in 2010 is better (so far).

At UK, Tubby had verbal from HS A-A Draymond Green in 2008 class and was going to get 6-11 Top 50 rated C Kenny Frease, too. Ralph Saampson and Devoe Joseph would have been Wildcats if Tubby were at UK.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 5, 2008 3:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Because ...
I deal in facts that support my opinion.

Please offer some that back up yours.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 5, 2008 5:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Facts don't always tell the whole story
Not to get into a certain side of debate one way or the other, but listen at a gathering of people.  It doesn't matter if they're talking politics, sports, or just a general state of affairs... facts very rarely have anything to do with it.  Generally you will find that it is about feelings and perceptions, and that is where the differences come in.

According to your facts, have we seen better recruiting in the last 5 years?  Yes.  According to the perception of most people, are we seeing better recruiting now?  Yes.

This same line of reasoning can be seen with on-court perceptions of the team in addition to off-court perceptions of recruiting.  By any measuring stick, the 07-08 Cats had a worse year than the 05-06 or the 06-07 versions of the team.  Now ask the majority of fans their opinion on all three teams... the 07-08 Cats who had a worse season will be perceived as being a more enjoyable and satisfying team.  

Those are the simple facts of everyday life.

by chirop1 on May 5, 2008 5:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

rankings
how those classes are ranked before they have played doesn't mean much. it's just like preseason rankings. if you were to rank those classes now, based on how they have performed, i don't think we'd be higher.

i believe our 2004 class was considered the #1 incoming class that year. after four years, i don't think anyone would say they should keep their ranking. i'd rather have the results of florida's '04 class (the results, not the actual people).

and while tubby had better classes the gillispie most of the time, we should since he was at UTEP and TAMU...i wouldn't call that an accomplishment here at UK.

while i understand that a highly ranked recruiting class means he have some of the best HS talent coming in, which makes it more likely that they will solid college talents as well, we don't know anything until they start playing.

you may deal with facts, but i like results, and the results weren't that great the last few years of tubby's stay.

also saying that Tubby "was going to get 6-11 Top 50 rated C Kenny Frease, too. Ralph Saampson and Devoe Joseph would have been Wildcats if Tubby were at UK" (emphasis mine) is not a fact. that giant if makes it a hypothetical...as far as i know you can't prove hypotheticals.

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on May 5, 2008 5:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Perception
I could probably be declared legally insane due to my obsession with Kentucky basketball. Tubby was a great coach and even a good recruiter IMO. The problem with having so many obsessive fans is that we want to see that same obsession in our Coach.

BCG has so far given us that perception and it is why everyone is so high on him right now. However, once the honeymoon ends results will still rule the day.

Still not a crook!

by TrickyD26 on May 5, 2008 5:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Visible Recruiting
A lot of the increase in visibility may be due to the huge readership growth of the internet UK hoops sites that happened during the coaching search and continued through the drama-packed Patrick Patterson recruitment.

I agree that sometimes you just need a change.  I'm sure Tubby will do a better job coaching with what he has at Minnesota than he would have done at UK with what he had.  And I think changing coaches at UK will help turn things around.

Ironically, Tubby's "best" recruiting class (2004) was a killer.  2003 was pretty much the apex of the Tubby Era, with Tubby's defensive style firing on all cylinders and being very popular with the fanbase.  And really, one Keith Bogans ankle away from a final four at a minimum.  But then with the arrival of the #1 recruiting class, everything went south.

by EEWildcat on May 5, 2008 6:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with ...
... you wrote that "Tubby recruited well. Just not at UK."

Obviously in my above post I was referring to the last few years of Tubby's regime at UK. Plus I was also referring to the perception the fan base had of Tubby's recruiting, more than his actual recruiting.  

I don't often post about Tubby because I despise the juvenile debate that seems to break out every time OTS is brought up.  I'm all about looking forward, not rehashing the plusses and minuses associated with ex-coaches.

I will add though, I admire you for being so supportive of Coach Smith.  

by Ken Howlett on May 5, 2008 10:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

He actually wrote...
"Not Just at UK"  Quite a bit different.  8')

by EEWildcat on May 6, 2008 9:44 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Support
He recruits the same as most CATS fans support their team, full speed ahead!

by lccat on May 5, 2008 11:24 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Recruiting ahead
This is the same philosophy your Fortune 500 companies are using to produce the next big product or advancement.  Working 10-15 years in the future on R&D, etc.  Remember, most of these new ideas don't work out, but some do and quite successfully.  Hopefully we won't be working on 3 year olds in the near future....

by cpacat on May 5, 2008 12:37 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Another benefit...
...of recruting ahead is that the coach has at least an indirect role in a player's development. They can suggest what they work on before they get to school, and being committed to a school also creates incentives for players to choose different AAU teams and high schools (witness Vilarino switching off Team Texas to get time at the point and Zollo possibly coming to Lex Cath or Scott County), and they're ready-made recruiters. So it's not merely gambling and beating people to the punch, it's network-building and gaining a valuable say in how your future guys develop.

by nocodecub on May 5, 2008 12:51 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Yes. Ideally that is how it would work.
Based on Zollo's interview with Maggard I think it is a real possibility that Zollo, along with Ferguson and Avery will attend Culver Academy in Indiana.  It could be an interesting preview of what UK will accomplish when and if they all arrive on campus.

by Ken Howlett on May 5, 2008 1:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

culver
not just a great preview, but they would know how to play with each other, and could just ease into that rhythm again once they're at UK.
GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on May 5, 2008 1:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Bud Mackey
Just saw this - http://www.kentucky.com/779/story/396007.html

It seems all talk of Mackey has died down over the past few weeks re: walking on at UK, but it seems he had violated his bond agreement and now must serve 60 days in jail. The story also notes that he no longer attends Harmony or lives in Cincy.

by blbskue on May 5, 2008 1:11 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Yeah....
let's just keep our distance from this one.

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 5, 2008 1:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Verbal Vs. NLOI
How binding is a Verbal Commitment and what are the consequences of backing out, for the player and the University. So much can change in 5 years.  BCG is definently shaking things up.                                               Go Big Blue!!!        

by Idiod on May 5, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Binding
It's not at all binding and any party can back out with no legal repercussions.

If the player were to back out no one would think twice about it but depending on the circumstances a school backing out on a verbal could cause some neagtive press and be used against us recruiting other players.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on May 5, 2008 2:22 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Bottomline
Class rankings dont matter one iota. Production is what matters.

Im not argueing for or against tubby or Billy G but I dont think using class rankings to determine how well someone recruited is valid because I feel that the ranking system itself is incredibly subjective and team success is not dependent on class rank. It's great to be getting all these early commitments to the cats but the bottomline is we really cant determine how great a recruiter G has been until we wee the kids on the court. Also you cant use Tubby's class rankings to determine his recruiting success. You have to look at on court success to do it and Im not even going there good or bad.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on May 5, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

LOL
good find!
GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on May 5, 2008 5:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

wee wee
I'll admit I thought the same thing and then scrolled down the page one more tick and saw your comment!!!  Immature minds think alike!

by chirop1 on May 5, 2008 5:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

not wee
see
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on May 5, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

lol
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on May 5, 2008 4:54 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Higher/rated does not equal better
Say what you want. I dont have a dog in this fight either way BUT I dont think your facts really tell the whole story.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on May 5, 2008 5:39 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Facts Support My Opinion
The 2008 Minnesota recruits are better than 2008 UK recruits. Hoopmasters, HoopScoop, ESPN (Gibbons) all agree with that assessment.

The 2009 Minnesota recruit is better than the 2009 UK recruit.

The 2010 UK recruits are better. Minnesota has 0 recruits that year (so far).

by FortyYearCatFan on May 5, 2008 10:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

here's the thing
for me, and a few others on here like davw83...the 2008, 2009, 2010 recruits haven't played a game (or even stepped on campus). just because you bring in a highly ranked class doesn't mean you're going to have a good team. florida state used to have good classes come in all nearly every year, but they couldn't even make the NCAAs. even our own classes at UK weren't doing too well the last few years.

i feel all these rankings before they've played a minute of college ball is the same as the report cards NFL teams get the day after the draft. it doesn't mean a thing. all that matters is how they did after they've finished playing.

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on May 6, 2008 12:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That's How Recruiting Is Analyzed
The most successful UK recruits in my lifetime are the 1974 class (Givens, Lee, Robey, Phillips, Hall) and the 1995 class (Mercer, Turner, Nazr, Simmons, Lathrem).

The highest rated UK recruiting classes are 1971, 1979, 1984, and 1992. Of those, 1992 was FAR AND AWAY the most successful at UK.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 6, 2008 7:12 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i understand
that is how they are analyzed, and before they get here, that is the only way to compare them, but even you can't say that the results matched up with the talent we were bringing in according to the rankings.

i mean, if UK had top 10 and top 15 classes coming in, shouldn't the cats have done better? if it wasn't recruiting, then...?

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on May 6, 2008 10:17 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Perhaps this will help, who knows
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/basketball/ncaa/05/04/kentucky.jet.ap/

I saw this reported over at LHL a few days ago...I had no idea that so many others in the SEC had private planes. We are behind in this matter?

Maybe they decided to do this because Coach G was flying everywhere,lol!

by kykat51 on May 5, 2008 6:54 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

sad
that UK won't buy a plane - if for no other reason that Lee Todd has all these big plans for the school and isn't willing to invest in his biggest publicity asset.  Publicity DOES help reputation, in every area - unless it is negative publicity of course.

by cdnWildcatfan on May 5, 2008 9:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Vinny Zollo a cat
According to Marc Maggard over at WCN.

by -Zoso- on May 5, 2008 8:03 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

KSR
..has it as well:

http://blog.kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=5994

quoting Scout.com

by bluenva on May 5, 2008 9:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

WOW
It feels like UK has won some sort of recruiting jackpot.  I think for the most part all of these committments can only help the program.  Yes, maybe one or two recruits won't pan out, but the majority of them will mostly deliver as promised.  If anyone is worried about a player's motivation having already received a scholarship, I would disagree because one thing every player wants is playing time.  With the growing number of young recruits, they will all know that there will be competition for PT (and the spotlight) from day one on campus.  A player will be less likely to get a big head either, knowing that there are other players coming in that are just as hyped as him - guaranteed.  
I somehow feel that this tactic becomes less and less risky as BCG continually picks up more and more early verbals from high value recruits.

by cdnWildcatfan on May 5, 2008 9:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

UK Recruits Have Always Had To Compete For PT
UK landed Top 5 or better recruiting classes in 1978, 1979, 1980, 1982, 1983, and 1984. That's 6 of 7 years with Top 5 classes.

Those players combined for 1 FF, 0 NCAA titles, and 239-79 record from 1979 through 1988.

UK fans were very disappointed in a recent 10 year span (263-83, 1 FF, 1 NCAA title) like that so I presume they are very disappointed then, too.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 5, 2008 11:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

but
I was making reference to people saying that some kids may not develop as well because they commit so early (among aother things), I don't think there is a stat for something like that.  I don't care who recruited better back whenever; I only care about what will happen in the future.  The only thing possible when venturing into unseen places in recruiting is to at least attempt to make semi-logical predictions that may at least seem more plausible than the alternative occuring.  All I am saying is that a number of young players that project to be good players are planning to come here (and it would seem likely that more will follow based on current trends) and I am excited about that because I think BCG is convicted and determined to coach UK to the W in the NCAA championship game - something that a UK coach has not done for about 10 years and 1 month and counting.

Also, is it outside to think that - considering all of the coverage UK got this year simply because it was losing (meaning we are still big news in the world of college bball - the mix of a big name program, big name coach, potential playing time, new facilities, a young promising coach that has at least thus far has helped many players make significant gains in their abilities, and a coach that has a reputation for excelling in recruiting - doesn't perhaps indicate that at least some of these young recruits were given scholarships because they were hand-picked by BCG.  I do not think UK is offering a huge number of players that 3+ years away from attending scholarships.  There are no stats for BCG recruiting young players while being the coach at the University of Kentucky.  If had to put money on it though, I would say that the next 10 years will be better than the last for BCG and the Big Blue Nation.

by cdnWildcatfan on May 6, 2008 12:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Early Commits
At UK, not many.

Chris Harrison, JP Blevins, Adam Williams, Jaron Brown all committed during or before their junior years in HS.

Brown developed into a good (not great) player at Pitt but the others, not so much.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 6, 2008 7:09 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

never
though, have we had this many early commits on the books all at the same time though - which I believe will affect the situation significantly.

by cdnWildcatfan on May 6, 2008 1:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Last 10 Years Vs Next 10 Years

Last 10 years (1999 through 2008) UK was 246-92 (17-10 in NCAA). That’s 73% W-L and 63% in NCAA.

The next 10 years (2009 through 2018) have to be AT LEAST 5% better (overall) and 10% better in NCAA.

Or UK will have a new coach by then (2018).

by FortyYearCatFan on May 10, 2008 2:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

HUH
I guess I just dont get your logic.

Recruiting for 09 isnt even close to being finished. Billy G is still in on Jon Hood and Wall.

Recruiting is just so subjective I dont think you can use class rankings to support your opinion. Maybe its just not getting through but I dont think you will be able to tell which class is better until several years after they come into a program.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on May 5, 2008 11:07 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

2009 Recruiting
Minnesota has #32 rated Royce White and is going to land #43 rated Rodney Williams this summer. Both players will see their ratings go UP (higher = better) as a result of their AAU play this spring.

Minnesota has the inside track on the #1 big man from Canada (AAU teammate of 2008 recruit) and 7-footer from Colorado.

Yes, 2009 recruiting is incomplete. For BOTH teams.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 5, 2008 11:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Show-Down
Maybe we just need to get this one settled on the court. (heh, heh, heh...)  ;)

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 6, 2008 9:04 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I Expect Both Teams To Contend For Conference Titles In 2009

And bigger titles in 2010.

So there is every chance they would meet in NCAA or even preseason game in 2010 (if not sooner).

by FortyYearCatFan on May 10, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Jay Bilas' View
Bilas' opinion re: Avery from a chat that transpired earlier today:

"Seriously, what is the harm of giving the kid an offer? No school can lock up every kid in the state, and the offer isn't binding anyway. It may not be your cup of tea, but it isn't crazy, either. Its just different."

I totally agree.

by mrmondaynite on May 6, 2008 12:42 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Tru's linked SI article
That really is an eye-opening piece.  I guess it is even more widespread than I had originally thought.  It also goes back further than I thought.  There is mention of a player who committed to UCLA before his freshman year and then ended up sitting the bench at Duke this last season and will transfer to Villanova next year.  So that eigth grader commitment was five years ago.  There also was mention of a kid who was offered by both Arizona and Texas Tech before his eighth grade year.  (Somehow I find that one hard to believe... because Robert Montgomery Knight would have had to been the guy making the offer for Texas Tech.)

So while I still don't like it... its also obvious that we are in good company in doing it.

by chirop1 on May 7, 2008 9:02 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Sheesh
Rival fans sure are having fun with all this.

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 7, 2008 12:27 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Yeah.
Well, we just have to put up with it for now.  But never fear -- the Cardinals will afford us lots of opportunities to mock them.

They can't help themselves. :-)

by Truzenzuzex on May 7, 2008 4:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Just heard this on NPR
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90201535&ft=1&f=1001

another Avery...he was held back in the 7th grade and is gpa is 3.5, so actually he is a freshman's age.

Seems his parents are taking care of this kid as far as his academics and his love for basketball.

by kykat51 on May 7, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Good Artticle Pro UK on young commits

http://thebiglead.com/?p=5734

Gives a pro-UK slant

and somehow I don’t think the guys in the comments section are UL fans. lol

by alpha brumage on May 9, 2008 7:04 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs