Vinny Zollo and forward thinking recruiting
We all know by now Billy Gillispie never takes a break from recruiting (I hope he sleeps well on the plane). His philisophy for procuring players for UK seems to be "recruit often, recruit early, and recruit aggressively". Just last week UK received a non-binding verbal commitment from 8th grader Matt Avery (Tru did a wonderful job of laying out the pro and cons of this practice in a post Saturday). Dominique Ferguson, a sophomore from Lawrence North High School in Indianapolis also recently verbally committed to UK.
What I can only describe as Gillispie's "forward thinking" recruiting style produces another possible verbal from Greenfield McClain High School's Vinny Zollo. Zollo, a 6'9' 220 lb. hybrid forward seems like he's leaning Lexington's way in a fight with Tennessee and West Virginia for his services in 2011. Zollo is a player with an extremely high talent ceiling. He's experienced some growth, and has become a big man who handles the rock pretty well. He also has an exceptional perimeter shot. Another plus is that he's competing with, and against very talented players while hoopin' it up for Indiana Elite on the AAU circuit.
I must admit I am very impressed with Zollo's maturity level. He seems to be a very serious-minded young man, which for a high school freshman is as rare as a Christian Laettner sighting within the borders of the Commonwealth. I highly recommend listening to Marc Maggard's interview with young Mr. Zollo (the interview is 18 minutes long). I think most will find Zollo very astutely aware of what is important when it comes to winning basketball games.
By my count Gillispie has received verbal commitments from the following "undergraduate" high schoolers (current grade in school listed): Matt Avery - 8th grade, Dominique Ferguson - sophomore, KC Ross-Miller - sophomore, GJ Vilarino - junior, and Dakota Euton - sophomore. If Zollo commits as expected, add another freshman to the list.
If the current rate of early commitments continues Gillispie will have stuck his nose, and his relationship with UK fans, out on a very tenuous branch overhanging a bottomless pit. I like his guts, and I love his style. I just hope the "Texas Tornado", who as of late practices revolutionary "forward thinking" recruiting, knows what it is he does.
Recruiting high school seniors is a very unpredictable task, much less players who are 14 and 15 years old. Recruiting and coaching players are unpredictable, fluid undertakings (see Legion and Jasper). Attempting to determine now what will happen in three, four, or five years is terribly unreliable prognosticating. I feel though that Gillispie knows this, yet is confident enough in his own abilities to overcome any negative repercussions he may have to endure. After all, if committed players don't develop as he envisions, a Plan B may need to be implemented. So obviously HAVING a Plan B at the ready is vitally important.
There is though something to be said for knowing what one has in store in the future as far as positions filled, versus positions needed. Right now Gillispie has "promised-out", at minimum, five scholarships for 2010 and beyond (Zollo would make six). As a fan, I am trusting my coach to deliver what he feels is the best team he can field for UK. If Gillispie has determined that "forward thinking" recruiting is the most expedient way to return UK to the top of the college landscape, then I'll support that philosophy, until I'm proven wrong.
He must remember though that UK is not a place to conduct a market test. This is the big time. What we as fans have going for us is that Gillispie didn't arrive at his lofty perch through mis-evaluating prospects. But the flip side of that very conflicted coin is the fact that he hasn't offered mid-teens scholarships in his previous head coaching positions. Ergo, he has no track-record for his current actions. How is one to accurately judge whether Gillispie's recruiting activities are being intelligently carried out? We can't because he's breaking new ground even as I type. It's exciting in a roller coaster kind of way I suppose. We love to be flung around, and upside down, but at the same time we're praying that the wheels don't come off the track.
Like most UK fans I love the aggressive attitude Gillispie brings to the recruiting trail, but is there such a thing as being too aggressive, too early? The variables at work in this particlar recruiting dynamic are many. Too many to attempt to break down or evaluate. Which is what makes this whole scenario of super-early offers and commitments so unsettling as a fan. Fear of the unknown is the best way I know how to describe how some fans feel at this juncture. So my advice is to hold on tight and hope for the best. Gillispie will continue to receive this fans support until I have a reason to not support him.
"Forward thinking" recruiting -- Is it the wave of the future? I think so ... unless it's proven ineffective. For the sake of UK fans everywhere, and Coach Gillispie, I hope Lexington isn't ground zero for the reason this philosophy becomes debunked.
Thanks for reading, and Go 'Cats!
Update [2008-5-5 22:29:18 by Ken Howlett]: Vinny Zollo committs to UK. Thanks to Zoso and bluenva for the heads up!
Update [2008-5-6 18:51:34 by Truzenzuzex]: Sports Illustrated has a pretty good and reasonably objective article looking at the Avery commitment and the trend toward younger players committing.
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Ferguson
Repeat after me...
Lawrence North High School
Lawrence North High School
See also:
Conley and Oden
Thanks
My apologies
its all good
Just messin...nice to finally man up and post though instead of just lurking.
Forward Thinking Recruiting
Since CBCG is obviously committed to this approach, I would hope that he saves one or two scholarships in each class for "contingency" plans so he can scoop up a late-bloomer who has Kentucky Blue in their eyes. I'd hate to see a McDonald's AA be interested in Kentucky, but we're stuck because we offered all our scholarships for that year 3 years earlier.
The reason...
by KingKentucky on May 5, 2008 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Billy G
We wanted a coach that recruited better and we got one. It's going to take quite some time until we can determine if this new strategy works better but the ride sure is fun.
Aggressive recruiting
I Don't Agree With That
His classes at UK incuded early commitments from sophomores and juniors.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 5, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
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I also know that you routinely dig out the rankings of the classes that Tubby brought in. I think even you would have to admit that Billy G's progress to date has certainly generated more "buzz" surrounding Kentucky on the recruiting scene in several years. It is also undeniable that we are getting more progress earlier in the process and it is much more publicly accessible to the average fan.
I think that by and large, this is exactly what the average Joe UK fan has been wanting... recruiting that we can SEE.
Agree And Disagree
Recruiting BUZZ, yes. But better recruits, no.
Tubby recruited against Gillispie (both as head coaches) from 2003 through 2008.
Tubby's classes were/are better (higher rated) in 2003, 2004, 2006, and 2008. Gillispie's were/are better in 2005 and 2007.
Tubby's class in 2009 is better (so far). Gillispie's class in 2010 is better (so far).
At UK, Tubby had verbal from HS A-A Draymond Green in 2008 class and was going to get 6-11 Top 50 rated C Kenny Frease, too. Ralph Saampson and Devoe Joseph would have been Wildcats if Tubby were at UK.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 5, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Because ...
Please offer some that back up yours.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 5, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Facts don't always tell the whole story
According to your facts, have we seen better recruiting in the last 5 years? Yes. According to the perception of most people, are we seeing better recruiting now? Yes.
This same line of reasoning can be seen with on-court perceptions of the team in addition to off-court perceptions of recruiting. By any measuring stick, the 07-08 Cats had a worse year than the 05-06 or the 06-07 versions of the team. Now ask the majority of fans their opinion on all three teams... the 07-08 Cats who had a worse season will be perceived as being a more enjoyable and satisfying team.
Those are the simple facts of everyday life.
rankings
i believe our 2004 class was considered the #1 incoming class that year. after four years, i don't think anyone would say they should keep their ranking. i'd rather have the results of florida's '04 class (the results, not the actual people).
and while tubby had better classes the gillispie most of the time, we should since he was at UTEP and TAMU...i wouldn't call that an accomplishment here at UK.
while i understand that a highly ranked recruiting class means he have some of the best HS talent coming in, which makes it more likely that they will solid college talents as well, we don't know anything until they start playing.
you may deal with facts, but i like results, and the results weren't that great the last few years of tubby's stay.
also saying that Tubby "was going to get 6-11 Top 50 rated C Kenny Frease, too. Ralph Saampson and Devoe Joseph would have been Wildcats if Tubby were at UK" (emphasis mine) is not a fact. that giant if makes it a hypothetical...as far as i know you can't prove hypotheticals.
by UKWildCatFanatic on May 5, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Perception
BCG has so far given us that perception and it is why everyone is so high on him right now. However, once the honeymoon ends results will still rule the day.
Visible Recruiting
I agree that sometimes you just need a change. I'm sure Tubby will do a better job coaching with what he has at Minnesota than he would have done at UK with what he had. And I think changing coaches at UK will help turn things around.
Ironically, Tubby's "best" recruiting class (2004) was a killer. 2003 was pretty much the apex of the Tubby Era, with Tubby's defensive style firing on all cylinders and being very popular with the fanbase. And really, one Keith Bogans ankle away from a final four at a minimum. But then with the arrival of the #1 recruiting class, everything went south.
I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with ...
Obviously in my above post I was referring to the last few years of Tubby's regime at UK. Plus I was also referring to the perception the fan base had of Tubby's recruiting, more than his actual recruiting.
I don't often post about Tubby because I despise the juvenile debate that seems to break out every time OTS is brought up. I'm all about looking forward, not rehashing the plusses and minuses associated with ex-coaches.
I will add though, I admire you for being so supportive of Coach Smith.
Support
Recruiting ahead
Another benefit...
Yes. Ideally that is how it would work.
culver
by UKWildCatFanatic on May 5, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Bud Mackey
It seems all talk of Mackey has died down over the past few weeks re: walking on at UK, but it seems he had violated his bond agreement and now must serve 60 days in jail. The story also notes that he no longer attends Harmony or lives in Cincy.
Yeah....
by kentuckygirl0724 on May 5, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Verbal Vs. NLOI
by Idiod on May 5, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply actions
Binding
If the player were to back out no one would think twice about it but depending on the circumstances a school backing out on a verbal could cause some neagtive press and be used against us recruiting other players.
Bottomline
Im not argueing for or against tubby or Billy G but I dont think using class rankings to determine how well someone recruited is valid because I feel that the ranking system itself is incredibly subjective and team success is not dependent on class rank. It's great to be getting all these early commitments to the cats but the bottomline is we really cant determine how great a recruiter G has been until we wee the kids on the court. Also you cant use Tubby's class rankings to determine his recruiting success. You have to look at on court success to do it and Im not even going there good or bad.
Middle School Humor
by kentuckygirl0724 on May 5, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
by UKWildCatFanatic on May 5, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Higher/rated does not equal better
Facts Support My Opinion
The 2009 Minnesota recruit is better than the 2009 UK recruit.
The 2010 UK recruits are better. Minnesota has 0 recruits that year (so far).
by FortyYearCatFan on May 5, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
here's the thing
i feel all these rankings before they've played a minute of college ball is the same as the report cards NFL teams get the day after the draft. it doesn't mean a thing. all that matters is how they did after they've finished playing.
by UKWildCatFanatic on May 6, 2008 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
That's How Recruiting Is Analyzed
The highest rated UK recruiting classes are 1971, 1979, 1984, and 1992. Of those, 1992 was FAR AND AWAY the most successful at UK.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 6, 2008 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions
i understand
i mean, if UK had top 10 and top 15 classes coming in, shouldn't the cats have done better? if it wasn't recruiting, then...?
by UKWildCatFanatic on May 6, 2008 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps this will help, who knows
I saw this reported over at LHL a few days ago...I had no idea that so many others in the SEC had private planes. We are behind in this matter?
Maybe they decided to do this because Coach G was flying everywhere,lol!
sad
by cdnWildcatfan on May 5, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
KSR
http://blog.kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=5994
quoting Scout.com
by bluenva on May 5, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
WOW
I somehow feel that this tactic becomes less and less risky as BCG continually picks up more and more early verbals from high value recruits.
by cdnWildcatfan on May 5, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
UK Recruits Have Always Had To Compete For PT
Those players combined for 1 FF, 0 NCAA titles, and 239-79 record from 1979 through 1988.
UK fans were very disappointed in a recent 10 year span (263-83, 1 FF, 1 NCAA title) like that so I presume they are very disappointed then, too.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 5, 2008 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
but
Also, is it outside to think that - considering all of the coverage UK got this year simply because it was losing (meaning we are still big news in the world of college bball - the mix of a big name program, big name coach, potential playing time, new facilities, a young promising coach that has at least thus far has helped many players make significant gains in their abilities, and a coach that has a reputation for excelling in recruiting - doesn't perhaps indicate that at least some of these young recruits were given scholarships because they were hand-picked by BCG. I do not think UK is offering a huge number of players that 3+ years away from attending scholarships. There are no stats for BCG recruiting young players while being the coach at the University of Kentucky. If had to put money on it though, I would say that the next 10 years will be better than the last for BCG and the Big Blue Nation.
by cdnWildcatfan on May 6, 2008 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Early Commits
Chris Harrison, JP Blevins, Adam Williams, Jaron Brown all committed during or before their junior years in HS.
Brown developed into a good (not great) player at Pitt but the others, not so much.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 6, 2008 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions
never
by cdnWildcatfan on May 6, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Last 10 Years Vs Next 10 Years
Last 10 years (1999 through 2008) UK was 246-92 (17-10 in NCAA). That’s 73% W-L and 63% in NCAA.
The next 10 years (2009 through 2018) have to be AT LEAST 5% better (overall) and 10% better in NCAA.
Or UK will have a new coach by then (2018).
by FortyYearCatFan on May 10, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
HUH
Recruiting for 09 isnt even close to being finished. Billy G is still in on Jon Hood and Wall.
Recruiting is just so subjective I dont think you can use class rankings to support your opinion. Maybe its just not getting through but I dont think you will be able to tell which class is better until several years after they come into a program.
2009 Recruiting
Minnesota has the inside track on the #1 big man from Canada (AAU teammate of 2008 recruit) and 7-footer from Colorado.
Yes, 2009 recruiting is incomplete. For BOTH teams.
by FortyYearCatFan on May 5, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Show-Down
by kentuckygirl0724 on May 6, 2008 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I Expect Both Teams To Contend For Conference Titles In 2009
And bigger titles in 2010.
So there is every chance they would meet in NCAA or even preseason game in 2010 (if not sooner).
by FortyYearCatFan on May 10, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Jay Bilas' View
"Seriously, what is the harm of giving the kid an offer? No school can lock up every kid in the state, and the offer isn't binding anyway. It may not be your cup of tea, but it isn't crazy, either. Its just different."
I totally agree.
Tru's linked SI article
So while I still don't like it... its also obvious that we are in good company in doing it.
Sheesh
by kentuckygirl0724 on May 7, 2008 12:27 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah.
They can't help themselves. :-)
Just heard this on NPR
another Avery...he was held back in the 7th grade and is gpa is 3.5, so actually he is a freshman's age.
Seems his parents are taking care of this kid as far as his academics and his love for basketball.
Good Artticle Pro UK on young commits
Gives a pro-UK slant
and somehow I don’t think the guys in the comments section are UL fans. lol













