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The Young and the Talented

It was not that long ago when obtaining verbal commitments from high school players before their junior year was very rare.  It wasn't unknown, by any means, but most programs focused in on kids at the start of their junior year in high school.  They may have been in touch quite a bit longer, but very few coaches thought about obtaining verbal commitments from players in the 10th grade.  Tubby Smith's earliest known recruit verbal was Adam Williams, who committed in July of 2002, graduated in 2004, prepped for one year and came to Kentucky in 2005, only to leave in 2006.  Since Gillispie has come on board, he has obtained verbal commitments from no less than two high school sophomores and two freshmen.

Of course, this has become a trend, especially among high-profile schools -- obtaining verbal commitments from younger and younger players -- and nobody really expects that trend to end anytime soon.  But for contrast, take a look at North Carolina.  Roy Williams has verbals from only two underclassmen, one in the 2008 class (Larry drew, who was just a few days from becoming a junior).   UNC's entire 2009 class committed in their junior year, and  Williams' 2010 recruit, Kendall Marshall, represents the youngest player (a freshman) I can ever remember Roy Williams getting a verbal from.  He is catching the wave.

My perception (and this may or may not represent reality) is that the hotter programs recruit much better in the present than teams like Kentucky, who have not seen a final four since 1998 and have simply fallen out of the consciousness of most of the national media as a perennial contender for the national championship.  It seems (and this is no surprise) that when you fall out of the national conversation for a number of years (Kentucky since 2004), recruits simply don't have as much respect for the brand as they otherwise might, especially when you are talking about the elite, top 25 recruits.  The problem is self-perpetuating, like a vicious circle -- no elite recruits, no great results -- which leads to no great recruits.  But recruiting presumably elite players from the freshman and sophomore classes become a way to improve talent when your team brand is a bit dingy:

"There's a bigger chance of misevaluation, the earlier it is," said Kentucky's Gillispie, who inherited a powerhouse program that was running unusually low on buzz. "There's some question about how guys are going to continue to work and continue to grow. There's some danger involved.

"But I think the positives outweigh the negatives. So many guys are playing so much basketball so much earlier, against great competition. There are guys playing 365 days a year against great competition."

Gillispie and other coaches have cut through this Gordian knot, and spearheaded the current trend toward obtaining commitments from high school underclassmen.  He has done this for the only classes in which he has really had the opportunity, starting with 2009.  2010 now has two players who committed to Kentucky in their freshman year in high school, and one in his sophomore year, albeit nearly a junior.  This "youth movement" is a way for coaches that can't just expect recruits to beat down their door every year to draw even with the hot teams, like North Carolina and UCLA.  It has worked to some extent, although it is fraught with danger; the danger of a decommitment, or a sudden plateauing that turns a future blue-chip into the next Adam Williams.  We haven't seen either of those yet with Billy Gillispie's recruits, and I hope we don't, but we must always be mindful that these possibilities are much more likely with younger players. 

College basketball coaches once honored an unwritten agreement not to recruit verbally committed players, at least for the most part.  However we are seeing that trend change, and it will likely continue to devolve as the commitments become earlier and earlier, pressure to recruit better players increases, and schools who are late to the game find themselves behind the 8-ball when the talent pool gets thin.  We can now expect that the earlier the recruit verbals, the more contacts he will receive from competitive schools trying to woo him away, constantly reminding them that verbal commitments are not considered binding on either the school or the player. 

For example, we can wonder how much of Scotty Hopson's recruitment by Tennessee happened between the time he committed to Rick Stansbury and the time he officially reopened his recruitment.  I don't know, but I suspect that Stansbury has a right to be unhappy about how that all went down.  Billy Gillispie, at least publicly, denied contacting Hopson even when he was saying that he was "looking around," but Bruce Pearl never has.  I have come to the conclusion that neither Gillispie nor Tubby Smith really wanted Hopson, but they they had to at least give lip service to his recruitment or face a maddening drumbeat of criticism from Kentucky fans who consistently fret about losing in-state talent.  But in any case, it is clear that Smith was not "on" Hopson early enough, and Rick Stansbury was.  In the end, though, that fact plus a verbal commitment was still not enough to make Hopson a Bulldog.

The bottom line is that "hot" programs seem to be able to recruit well in the present, and programs that have been out of the national limelight for a while, like Kentucky, are finding more success by recruiting in the future.  But in an effort to stay competitive (or in the case of some, retain their advantage), even old-school coaches like Roy Williams are beginning to line them up earlier and earlier.  Some have criticized the strategy of securing verbal commitments from high school freshmen and sophomores, and, in the case of Tim Floyd of Southern California, 8th graders (Update [2008-5-1 13:55:28 by Truzenzuzex]:  Not to be outdone by a West-coaster, Coach Gillispie has joined the Kindergarden Klub).  Floyd has received commitments from 8th grade players in 2006 and 2007, and in part, he blames Kentucky for that fact:
Floyd concedes that he doesn't like the recruiting process, but that he must participate in order to compete with the Dukes, Kentuckys and Kansas' of the world who initiated this process.

"They were getting commitments on juniors," Floyd said. "The majority of the country was out hustling, trying to get kids signed in their senior year but (those schools) were always a year ahead of everybody. And the kids would invariably say, `They were the first school to offer me, they were the first school to contact me and that's why I'm going there.'"

I personally think that verbals from any player before their sophomore year is too much, but others disagree.  Whatever the case, players are being identified at younger and younger ages these days, and Floyd is right about one thing -- being first to get in front of a player is a tremendous advantage -- we saw that very clearly in the case of Ater Majok.  The verbal commitments are just a natural outgrowth of schools and coaches making impressions as early as possible on the hearts and minds of these young people.  Even though coaches are forbidden from directly contacting recruits before their junior year in high school, they circumvent this inconvenience with camps, on-campus speeches, back channel communications with high school and AAU coaches, parents, and whatever opportunities they can create for high school players to contact them, which is not forbidden.

In the final analysis, no matter what you think about early commitments, they are here to stay, at least for the nonce.  There is too much at stake in big-time college sports not to take advantage of every possible avenue to keep the talent pool as deep and wide as possible.  Coaches are paid millions of dollars per year to deliver high-quality basketball, and as we have seen, it takes talented players to wind up playing late in March.  Billy Gillispie and others are proving what momma always told us -- the early bird gets the worm.

[editor's note, by Truzenzuzex]  If you have not read this story by Matt Jones over at Kentucky Sports Radio, stop what you are doing and go do so.

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Joe & Ramel....
I posted this in another comments section but There's a great article about Joe and Ramel over on KSR this morning and I wanted to make sure everyone was able to read it:

http://blog.kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=5949

C....A....T....S CATS CATS CATS

by MartinGolf9 on May 1, 2008 9:20 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Joe and Ramel
Yes I read that story about 8:30 this morning and have to admit it brought tears to my eyes.

I love these two guys and I feel they have gained a truer respect of the Kentucky fan base through the Barnstorming experiences, as well as Matt. He admitted himself in that story.

Joe was the introvert and Ramel the extrovert...but they formed a unique friendship the past 4 years that will undoubtedly last a lifetime. They will always be a part of the UK family no matter where they go in their careers.

They have and still do represent UK and the state of Kentucky in a manner that makes me very proud!

by kykat51 on May 1, 2008 11:31 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ridiculous
I'm sorry, but IMO it is absolutely ridiculous to be recruiting 8th graders.  Kids change SO much between 8th grade (MIDDLE SCHOOL!!!!) and their upperclassmen years of high school - some are not even remotely the same kids.  I cant help it - thats just crazy to me.

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 1, 2008 10:29 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Texas Tornado"
As Ken so aptly described our Coach. The Wildcats Thunder blog has this to say about more recruits coming.

http://wildcatsthunder.blogspot.com/2008/04/big-big-day-for-uk-recruitingbut-not.html

Love the cartoon pic of Coach!

by kykat51 on May 1, 2008 10:45 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow
I almost fell unconscious trying to get through that - a lot going on there. I'd love to see a flurry of new commitments soon though, so hopefully some of it (especially Zollo) holds true.

The cartoon is great. The might become my new desktop.

by blbskue on May 1, 2008 11:16 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not really UK related
but I just read this post by Gregg Doyel and he mentions Pitino leaving U of L. Speculation of course but with the Mavs and Heat out of coaches, lots a horse racing in Meeeeaahhhhmaaayyyy!!!!!! What would the Cardinal nation do without him? Here is the link I think......

http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/blogs/entry/5881996/8101090

by bluecrip on May 1, 2008 11:07 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It
would be hilarious if Pitino bolted, but:
  1. I don't see it happening (gut feeling only);
  2. I don't really want to comment much on it. We hated it when Louisville fans (and others) were convinced BCG was leaving and took every opporunity to comment on it. While revenge can in fact be sweet, we'll all just look like idiots if we get caught up in a rumor like that and nothing happens. If he does actually leave, however, things could get fun. . .

by blbskue on May 1, 2008 11:19 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think
Pitino had his last NBA career with the Celtics.
Not that an NBA team would not hire him, but he aged so much during the years with the Celtics and it is a very, very long season compared to college basketball.

He did an excellent job at Kentucky, and I think he truly loved us when he left for the NBA, but just another job change for more money.

Anyway, I don't see him leaving Louisville for the NBA.

by kykat51 on May 1, 2008 11:44 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Barnstorming Louisville Area
Anyone have any details on the Barnstorming next weekend at North Bullitt HS? As in, what time it starts, etc.?

by blbskue on May 1, 2008 12:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Barnstorming
I am not sure, but it seems to me most have started at 7pm.

Go and have a great time!

by kykat51 on May 1, 2008 12:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Joe and Ramel
That's a terrific story.  Those are two young men that we can be proud to call Wildcats, as much for what they've done off the court as for what they've accomplished on it.
Looking for a rock to wind a piece of string around.

by JLeverenz on May 1, 2008 12:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Speaking of recruiting youngsters Tru,
UK apparently got a verbal from an 8th grader.

It's from tcpmay over at HOB

Named Michael Avery from California.  6'4" guard playing for the 17 & Under team and holding his own apparently.

by piketaylor on May 1, 2008 1:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just posted ...
...wow.

The Online home of Big Blue Nation ...

by JL Blue on May 1, 2008 1:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah ...
I saw that.  JL beat me to the punch, which is nice for a change. ;-)

--Sigh--

I guess we just have to live with the new reality, however wacky it seems.

by Truzenzuzex on May 1, 2008 1:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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