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Where we stand with basketball recruting 2008




I am going to attempt to examine where we stand in recruiting for the 2008 class, tying together many diverse sources.  I am quite positive I will get it wrong, somehow, but it's worth the effort.

First of all, where do we stand with respect to scholarships.  This blog post over at My Old KY Gnome does a good job of breaking it down, so I will shamelessly purloin his example for my own selfish purposes, but unlike him, I shall include Ramon Harris. 

Players who appear certain to return at this point:

  1. Michael Porter
  2. Jodie Meeks
  3. Patrick Patterson
  4. Perry Stevenson
  5. Jared Carter
  6. AJ Stewart
  7. Ramon Harris

Players who are known to be considering transfer:

  1. Derrick Jasper
  2. Morakinyo Williams

Incoming players who have signed NLOI's:

  1. DeAndre Liggins
  2. Kevin Galloway
  3. Darius Miller

So here is how it works -- if no players transfer, we have 1 scholarship left to give.  If Williams transfers, which is widely expected, we have 2.  Jasper looks more and more like a transfer every day, which would leave a whopping 3 scholarships available for 2008, in addition to the 3 we have already signed.  We have seven recruits that I know of vying for as few as one and as many as three spots.  Their status, as best I can ascertain, is below:

Josh Harrellson

Harrellson is a 6'9-10" 260# center/power forward.  Harrellson visited UK last weekend, and came away very impressed.  It is reliably indicated many that UK made a big impression, and now leads comfortably for his services.   Josh is visiting St. Louis this upcoming weekend, and we will very likely know soon after that.  My impression of Harrellson, having not seen him play for even one minute, is that he is what we need the most -- help for Patterson inside.

Tru's choice:  #1
Tru's odds of being in blue next year:  75% (UK clear leader)

Nicola Kecman

Kecman is a 6'9" 215# face-the-basket player with an excellent shooting stroke.  He would likely be a 4 in college, although his rebounding statistics are much more like a 3.  He visited UK Sunday to Tuesday this week and is said to be making his college choice within 2 weeks.  Ohio State is seen as Kentucky's main competitor to Kecman, but several other schools are involved, including Ole Miss.

Tru's choice:  #3b
Tru's odds of being in blue next year:  40% (no clear leader at this point) 0% -- Signed with Ohio State

Paul McCoy

McCoy is a 6'0" 175# point guard.  McCoy decommittted from Peperdine and was in town last weekend to play in the Kentucky Derby Festival Classic.  He was said to have enjoyed his visit and is said by some to be a Kentucky lean at this point.  In the DFC, I thought McCoy was the least impressive of the Kentucky recruits, and nearly disappeared in the game.  He is athletic and has a good handle, though, so he is certainly a serviceable point guard.  Others recruiting McCoy include Virginia, SMU and Washington State

Tru's choice:  #6
Tru's odds of being in blue next year:  60% (no clear leader, but said to be leaning toward UK)

Ater Majok

Majok is a 6'10", 215# international player from Sudan via Australia.  Majok is a skilled face-the-basket player who is only going to get better, since he has only been playing organized basketball for 5 years.  He visited UK after playing in the DFC, in which he was quite impressive, shooting the ball very well with range and blocking a couple of shots.  Rivals has recently upgraded Majok from a 3* to #13 in the entire 2008 class.  Others recruiting Majok include UCLA, Kansas, Baylor and Connecticut.  Majok is visiting Connecticut this week, and is said to be considering a visit to UCLA.

Tru's choice:  #2
Tru's odds of being in blue next year:  25% (UConn clear leader, Baylor close second) 40% (Word on the street is that this is closer than previously thought)

Maurice Sutton

Sutton is a 6'10", 210# center/power forward.  Sutton really helped his cause recently with a surprisingly good performance in the Derby Festival Classic.  Sutton is long and lean, trending toward a Stevenson-like thinness. Sutton can face up and play in the post, but is the least skilled among the big men Kentucky is known to be actively recruiting.  Sutton had a conversation with Gillispie the other day, and Gillispie told him that UK did not have a scholarship available, and to be patient.  Other interested parties are Boston College, Indiana and Seton Hall.

Tru's choice: #5
Tru's odds of being in blue next year:  40% (no UK scholarship offer)

Verdell Jones

Jones is a 6'4", 160# combo guard.  He is very thin but also quite skilled, a good ballhandler, passer and shooter.  Tall for a point, he can see over the top of the defense.  Jones is currently ranked in the top 150 by Rivals.  Not much has been said about Jones lately due to the attention others have been getting, but he is still very much on the radar.  Some reports have said that Jones is leaning toward Indiana after his visit there.  Others interested in Jones' services are Indiana, Minnesota, Arizona and Oklahoma among others.

Tru's choice #4
Tru's odds of being in blue next year:  40% (no clear leader, said by some to be leaning to IU)

Roderick Flemings

Roderick Flemings is a 6'7", 210# small forward currently in the JUCO system.  Flemings just received an in-home visit from Gillispie and was apparently very impressed.  Flemings' coach has told Jerry Tipton that he thinks UK is now the leader for Flemings services.  Flemings is a skilled scoring wing considered by many as the #1 player in the junior college ranks.  He is capable of scoring from the perimeter and slashing to the basket, and would fill a much-needed void in Kentucky's roster next year.

Flemings is currently the subject of much debate in the Big Blue Nation.  Marc Maggard of Kentucky Ink has repeatedly told anyone who will listen that he has solid information that Flemings is well short of qualification.  According to Maggard's intel, Flemings will need something like 20-21 hours over the summer to qualify academically for UK, and that assumes he passes all his classes this semester. 

Having been to college myself and taking some summer school, I know that it is very hard to deal with one course with all the distractions, let alone seven.  Therefore, if Maggard is correct (and I have seen nothing which would convince me otherwise), I place Flemings' chances of qualifying for the fall semester to be somewhere between slim and none, and slim left town a month ago.  For my money, only the most dedicated of students could accomplish 21 hours in the summer, and if Flemings were that dedicated, he wouldn't be a JUCO.

Others have placed Flemings' academic burden at lower levels, but none of these others seem to have as convincing a case as Maggard.  Many argue, "why would Gillispie recruit him so hard if he knew he couldn't qualify?"  I have no answer to this question except to say that Gillispie could be interested in bringing him even if he has to wait until December.  Flemings was very highly ranked coming out of high school, but left Oklahoma after one semester to join the JUCO ranks.

Tru's choice #3a
Tru's odds of being in blue next year:  35% (likely academic issues) 0% -- See below

So there you have it -- how I see recruiting, for what it's worth.  There are other recruits out there who are not out of the realm of possibility, but these are the main ones I see.  We will have to wait a while yet to see how many scholarships are actually available, and some of these may drop off the board by the time we know.

We are a long way from knowing the shape of things to come for next year.  Stay tuned.

Update [2008-4-26 0:9:0 by Truzenzuzex]:  Flemings to Hawai'i.  Some of you may be surprised, I am not.  I think this is likely to mean Maggard's sources were accurate.

Update [2008-4-27 9:46:44 by Truzenzuzex]:  Kecman has signed with Ohio State.

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Im not so sure about Flemings having 21 hours to complete. Granted I havent seen any evidence and have nothing but my gut feeling to go on but I just dont see why you recruit the kid if there isnt at least a 50-50 shot of him qualifying.

If I had my druthers I would like Harrelson and Flemings on board if Jasper stays. If he leaves I would also like to pick up McCoy. I like Majok but dont include him cause I dont think there's a great chance he ends up in Blue and White.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Apr 25, 2008 11:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

help me out here
So who is likely to play point guard next year?

by cat woman on Apr 25, 2008 11:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

PG
Well if everyone qualifies and Jasper leaves I think it would either be Liggins, Galloway, or Porter at the point.

Meeks at the two

Harris and Flemings at the three

Stewart, Stevenson, Harrelson, and Patterson at the four and five spots.

I'd say you'll probably see Stewart exclusivley at the four but Gillespie seems to use his bigs fairly interchangably so I think the four and five designation are pretty meaningless.

On a seperate note. I just found out one of my wife's students just verbally committed to the Lady Cats. We are very excited.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Apr 25, 2008 12:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Give Sutton A Scholly
I am just really not feeling McCoy.  Harrellson is for sure my number one. I would also really like to have Flemmings IF he qualifies. Beyond that, I would really like to see Sutton get a scholly.  He really wants UK and based on his comments from his "no scholarship available" convresation with Gillispie, he seems to be a very level headed and respectful young man - several references of his respect for BCG and UK as well as several statements that he is just "praying for everything to work out."  He made a very good impression at the Derby Classic - showing he is not quite as rough as initially believed.  If Sutton could work alongside Patterson and Stevenson (and Harrellson, if that pans out) they could prepare him to fill that role here in a couple of years. What great "teachers" he would have! Coming in as a freshman would really give Gillispie some quality time with him and I think that this kid, based on his admiration of Gillispie, would work hard to do his best and soak up all that Gillispie has to offer him. I say, give the kid a chance.  I, for one, would really like to see Sutton in blue and white.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Apr 25, 2008 12:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not so sure...
The derby classic is not a good way to measure talent. For instance, Shagari Alleyne was named MVP of the derby classic he attended. Thats even better than sutton.

The problem with the classic is that there is no, i repeat NO defense. And so I generally take the stand of chad over at KSR. "These kinds of games hold no value as far as measuring the talent of the young men who play."

I think that sutton would be a good player in three or four years, but BCG is trying to make an elite team THIS year.

Neil Carter

by KingKentucky on Apr 25, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sutton
Here's the problem with signing Sutton.

By all accounts he isnt going to be an impact player next season. If he isnt going to help next year I say dont sign him because the 09 draft class is loaded and this kid is going to end up being recruited over before he ever even has a chance to contribute something.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Apr 25, 2008 12:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well ...
recruiting over Sutton would be hard, since we only have one scholarship for next year and that is taken.  Possibly zero if Carter is a medical red-shirt, but I don't consider that a possibility unless he has a really good year and Villarino changes his mind.

Therefore, if we brought Sutton, he wouldn't be recruited over until 2010.  By then, he could be good enough to hold his own against a talented incoming freshman.

But right now, I think we need to get as much talent as possible.  That's why I rank Sutton and McCoy so far down my list, because neither of them are likely to push the starters until at least their junior year.  We need more immediate impact if we are going to be competitive for the SEC championship next year, never mind trying to get deep in the tournament.

by Truzenzuzex on Apr 25, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

09
Im pretty sure Billy G is going to find a way to sign someone besides Villarino in 09 considering all the players we are in on for that year. I just dont think Sutton is a good get.

Thats just my feeling though.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Apr 25, 2008 1:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Making omelettes?
Because that was a real nice egg your boys laid tonight.
C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Apr 25, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re:
"the shape of things to come" - nifty little LOST reference there. Nicely done.

by jc25 on Apr 25, 2008 2:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Certain returnees...
I looked at that list, and it may be the first time I've ever really considered it...

Michael Porter
Jodie Meeks
Patrick Patterson
Perry Stevenson
Jared Carter
AJ Stewart
Ramon Harris

Wow... the cubbard really is bare isn't it?  There's obviously some talent in there, and some hard workers... but I'd be hard pressed to remember a time when the returning core was anywhere near that weak as a whole.  

This is a golden opportunity for the incoming class to show what they're made of.  It'd be a pleasant surprise if Miller or one of the others were to become a definite scoring threat.  Even if its only along the lines of a consistent 8 points a game, I'd be thrilled.

If we lose both Jasper and Williams, I'd almost rather that CBCG bank one of those schollies for next year.  Honestly, 6 incoming new players?  Do we want to set ourselves up for another situation like we are facing in two years as it is with the possibility of losing 7 players in one year?

by chirop1 on Apr 25, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Harris
Why did the other blog exclude Harris?  Just a mistake?

by mrmondaynite on Apr 25, 2008 3:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah ...
nothing to fear, just an innocent omission.

by Truzenzuzex on Apr 25, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mark "Microwave" Coury
Why is everyone leaving my favorite (spoken entirely in jest)non-scholarship player--Mark Coury--off of their lists of returning players? Has BG finally decided that he no longer wants to start the first five minutes of every game with 0 points, 0 rebounds,0 steals, 0 assists, 3 blown defensive assignments, and roughly 2-3 turnovers out of the post position? Do tell.  

by tooblue on Apr 25, 2008 3:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Coury returning
I hate to speak for Tru, but I would assume it is because (as you said) Coury does not take up a scholarship spot.  This piece relates specifically to recruiting and scholarships available... therefore, Coury really doesn't factor into the discussion.  Unless BCG decides to give him a scholly...  !!!!

by chirop1 on Apr 25, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

........and now Meeks..........
Dick Gabriel reporting tonight that Jodie Meeks is now looking to transfer...geez.....Well, we need guys who want to be here.....Jodie is a fine young man and player.....but the coach we have is the coach we have and he will eventually get us to where we want to be......

It is called TRANSITION...some will survive and some will move on...our short term pain will be our long term gain.......Love to have Jodie help us get there sooner rather than later...but he has to want to be there...

by Chuck Alexinis on Apr 25, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

McCoy update
According to our boy Tipton, McCoy is down to UVA or UK.  So does that mean we're at 50/50, or has the chance of him being in blue gone up?

http://www.kentucky.com/232/story/387217.html

C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Apr 25, 2008 10:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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