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Gillispie to OSU speculation looks near an end

According to the loathsome troll Jeff Goodman, Travis Ford of UMass is close to becoming the new Oklahoma State University coach.  Gary Parrish of CBS Sportsline is also reporting this as though it is now "official."

Oklahoma State is officially denying it, though, so we still have a little bit to go before we can all throw a party.  If true, I think it is a great career move for Ford and a solid hire by Oklahoma State.  Thanks to everyone in the threads below who gave me a head's up to this story.

Update [2008-4-16 13:54:30 by Truzenzuzex]:  Here is a view from the Massachusetts side.

Update [2008-4-16 15:41:2 by Truzenzuzex]:  No firm confirmation yet, but it's beginning to look like Ford has been hired at OSU.  The OSU Rivals site reads more and more like a done deal.

More ... Mike DeCourcy doesn't like the hire.  Frankly, I think he is being a bit unfair, but I do respect DeCourcy's opinion generally.  Don't agree in this case, though ...

Update [2008-4-16 22:42:47 by Truzenzuzex]:  Done deal, from Travis' own mouth.  Congratulations to the OSU Cowboys.  I think they will be happy with this hire.

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Ford really held out for the better job in my opinion. Im sure he's glad he didnt take the providence job.

I hope he does a great job at OSU.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Apr 16, 2008 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
Great move for both parties.  And now in about 10 years... maybe OSU can be nervous that we'll steal their coach!  Muah ha ha!

by chirop1 on Apr 16, 2008 2:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fantastic For All
Don't OSU and Ark play eachother once a year?

Let the two blue kids fight it out for the big chair.

by wilson452 on Apr 16, 2008 2:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting
Replacing one former UK player with another. Gotta love that.

 I always laugh when ever I hear about Travis.  I loved him as a player....I always root for the short guy, but my ex-wife could not stand him.  She went to highschool with him (2 years behind)and always talked about what a grade A jerk he was.  Funny part is that we went to UK at the same time Travis was playing there AND her last name was Ford...She would get SOOooo worked up anytime someone found out what highschool she went to and ask "Oooo are you related to Travis?"

by sylvar on Apr 16, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Owensboro
I went to college with several people from "The Boro" and to a man they all hated Travis Ford and that guy Jon Brennan from The Real World.

by chirop1 on Apr 16, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Owensboro?
I live in Owensboro, and I dont have any trouble with Travis... But he is not from owensboro, he is from Madisonville. Im not sure where the owensboro comments are coming from.
Neil Carter

by KingKentucky on Apr 16, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AAAAAA NOT THE BORO
Seems like everyone I ever knew in college was from the BORO.

I quite frankly dont know how Owensboro has anyone left in their town. Every last person in Owensboro attended UK.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Apr 16, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So now it appears..
that all that talk about OSU buying their next coach at any cost, that OSU was a wholly owned subsidiary of tbone, etc...   was just a bunch of nonsense.  

I am willing to bet Tbone had nothign to do with the hiring and never was in the picture.  Now everyone who kept saying that Tbone was plowing millions into the hire looks like an idiot.

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 16, 2008 4:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ehh... I wouldn't go that far
If Self had been receptive to their overtures, I have no doubt who would be donating an amount to the school peculiarly similar to the amount dictated in Self's contract.

by chirop1 on Apr 16, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Say what?
Of course he had a say -- Holder is his boy.  You don't think Holder cleared this hire with Pickens, the man who donated $165 million dollars on the condition that Holder was selected AD?

I'd be willing to bet you'd lose your money.

Naivete can be a curse.

by Truzenzuzex on Apr 16, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holder is his boy?
What a silly comment.  You are speculating; I understand it is such an easy common thing to say and is herd mentality so if that is what comforts you so be it.  

Seriously, making such blanket statements and unsubstantiated comments makes you look common and it is rather borish.

Let me help you.  If Pickens, who because of my line of work I have met a several occasions, was involved in the hiring of then next coach, it would not have been Ford.  If I have to explain why then it isn't worth the time or effort because you would not comprehend it.

Holder is his boy..  lol.  hahahaha

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 16, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prude
Dude, why is it that you are an expert at everything... that is everything that doesnt involve common sense.

Ok ok ok ok ok. We get it, youve met everybody, have worked with everyone, and you have the inside track that TBoone is a saint, Tubby is the devil, and you are a genius, and Tru is an idiot.

I dare say that you are one of the most annoying people I have ever had the exclusive mispleasure of ever reading the comments of. And even then I am being nice.

You havent met TBoone Pickens, I would bet my years salary on it. I went to school with people like you... and they flip my burgers now, and go home to tell everyone who doesnt know them how successful they are in the make believe world that they have set up around them.

I would make these comments if you EVER had anything constructive to say, but you only come on to negate any kind of cognitive thought that is being established on any thread. Please, please, please, understand that we dont take anything from your stupid comments except for chalking them up to your "naivete."

Neil Carter

by KingKentucky on Apr 16, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Congrats
on being part of the herd.

The ability of you and others on here to pucker and kiss .. well, you know...

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 16, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Comeback
You stay up all night thinking of that or did you get to bed around 3:00 or 3:30?

Sometimes if the herd is being led by a shepherd then the one that is not with the herd is given to the wolves.

Neil Carter

by KingKentucky on Apr 16, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pssst...
i said "met" I didn't say I know him.  But I am sure details are meaningless.

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 16, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Details
Psst. Hey, I never said you know him, i only used the word met. Idiot.

Maybe next time before you make your little comment and smirk to yourself in your empty house filled with action figures and "Magick" cards you can actually take the time to read what my responce to you is...

But i guess details dont matter.

Neil Carter

by KingKentucky on Apr 16, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow
name calling.  feel better?   lol, here you go, get the last word in and I won't reply.  Iam sure it will make you feel better.  :)

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 16, 2008 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once again...
Good comeback, and I hope you keep your word.
Neil Carter

by KingKentucky on Apr 16, 2008 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I appreciate ...
the defense, but please don't call people idiots and such.  It plays the very devil with the mood of the board, and we don't want that.

Thanks for understanding.

:-)

by Truzenzuzex on Apr 16, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well ...
Then how do you explain the fact that Oklahoma State essentially violated its own hiring rules to hire Holder, and this post that directly ties Holder's hiring to Pickens' donation by the words of his own mouth.

I am not saying that Pickens is a bad person, nor Holder.  What I am saying is that Holder answers to Pickens, and to a large extent, so does Oklahoma State.  I is always that way when you have a patron of that stature and importance.  It can't be helped.  Human nature is what it is.

As to Ford's hiring, there is every good reason to believe Pickens was involved.  I have never met the man, but I have nothing but respect for him.  But I am a businessman myself, and I know when I make large investments, I expect to have a say in how those investments are managed.

Let me posit several possibilities to you:

  1. OSU was told by all their main targets that they were not going to be seen as for sale to the highest bidder, especially after Self rejected what could have been a $40 or $50 million dollar deal.  I don't blame them.  In a couple of years, this job could come open again if Ford doesn't perform, and all that money will still be there.  So will Self, perhaps in a more flexible mood.  If OSU is willing to summarily dismiss Sutton, do you think they would be unwilling to do the same to Ford if he doesn't pan out?
  2. You say you have met Pickens, and I believe you.  Did he leave you with the impression he was a fool?  I doubt it.  When your money doesn't buy your heart's desire, you can either settle for second best, or try to get the best possible value for the dollars you do spend.  Travis Ford does not look like that on paper, but he was interviewed and effectively offered the same jobs by schools of equal stature to OSU.  To suggest that Ford is not up to that job is to impute the very same incompetence to LSU and Providence that you do to Holder.  Not likely.  Keno Davis was Providence's second choice, and Trent Johnson likely LSU's second choice.  If you are Pickens, that tells you something.
  3.  Billionaires get to be billionaires by understanding the value of money.  Pickens would not allow Holder to recklessly misspend his investment.  You are the one who claims to know him -- are you willing to suggest that Holder, who owes his position at OSU to Pickens' largesse, did not consult with him on this hire?  Are you further suggesting that Pickens would not involve himself in the most important decision Holder, an inexperienced AD, has made during his tenure?
C'mon man, this isn't rocket science, it is business, something Pickens knows a lot about.

by Truzenzuzex on Apr 16, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhm..
Holder answers to Pickens?  You do not know that, you assume that.  It is the easy and popular thing to say but it may be very far from the truth.  I have helped people get jobs through my influence and they do not answer to me.  Again, assume all you want, but you are guessing.

"Self rejected what could have been a $40 or $50 million dollar deal."  You do not know that.  Noone knows that.  It is pure speculation.  

This Pickens running the OSU athletic departmetn is silly urban legend.  I suppose the Waltons and Stephens families are running Ark's athletic department and they hired Pelphry (after all they have much much deeper pockets than Pickens and have donated hundreds of millions to that institution).

Actually, I don't give a rats ass about OSU.  I dont care if they allow Pickens to coach that team himself.  And, I really don't care if you all want to continue to make this stuff up either.

And, to once again correct you.. I never said I know him.  

I really think you can do better than this.

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 17, 2008 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are absolutely ...
correct that all this is an opinion on my part.  I have facts to support that opinion, but it is nonetheless just that.

You are also correct that I misspoke when I used the word "know."  That should have been "have met."

When you make the comment that "[I] can do better than this," I can only say that I write opinions about what interests me.  I do not know for sure that Self was offered megabucks.  In fact, Holder and Self both explicitly deny that money was discussed, but it didn't have to be, did it?  Most observers have an idea of the ballpark of what it would take to lure a national championship coach away from a program like Kansas.  But nobody really knows for sure, so of course it is speculation.  But it is informed speculation.

I never said Pickens runs the athletic department, I said he "owns" it.  I mean that in the figurative sense, because Mike Holder is a close friend of his and owes his AD job to Pickens.  Does Pickens run the athletic department?  No.  Does he have veto power over major decision they make?  In my opinion, unquestionably.  Will he be consulted on every major decision?  Again, in my opinion, unquestionably.

It was out of Pickens' own mouth that he stated he "probably" would not have given the OSU $165 million dollars if they had not hired Holder.  For a man like him, who is reported by many reputable reporters to be deeply interested and involved in building that department, it is not a stretch to assume that Holder runs every major department decision by Pickens.  After all, Pickens put him there -- literally.  Just ask an OSU person in the know if you don't believe me.

As for the big donors at Arkansas, I have no idea about them, and they are not the subject.  The subject here is Pickens and Holder.

So when you say I am "making this stuff up," you are only partially right.  Most of what I have said is fact.  Connecting the dots is conjecture, but there is plenty of support for the picture I have drawn, and I would like to point out that you have offered no facts whatever in support of your counterargument, except for the claim (which I believe, by the way) that you have met Pickens.

The bottom line is that we are both speculating.  You are speculating the facts point to a different conclusion, but you have produced no real argument to support that.  Instead, you have variously accused me of a "silly argument," a "heard mentality," "unsubstantiated comments," called me "common" and "borish [sic]," accused me of "making stuff up" and suggested that I don't have the wit to see the obvious.  None of those is very nice, and the worst I have said to you is a suggestion that you are being naive in this case.

In other words, either make an argument, or leave it alone.  Assuring me that having stood in the presence of Pickens and perhaps shaken his hand and had a few words is sufficient for you to argue that I am profoundly wrong is not convincing to anyone.  Since you now assure me that you don't "know" Pickens, I can't see how having met him is even worthy of mention, and certainly lends no support whatever to your version of reality.

by Truzenzuzex on Apr 17, 2008 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unbelievable..
no, it is believable.  Having met Pickens has nothing to do with my comments and I never said it did.

Comments like Pickens owns OSU is silly and yes it is very common for people who are reactionary to feed these silly notions.

If you don't want rationale feedback or help being better at your blogging then don't make such silly comments or boot me off here. I am sure the later is the case as this blog is nearly entirely Wildcats fans who like to pucker up to you and stroke your ego and seem incapable of real dialogue.  Coddle Tubby, coddle Jasper and coddle Truz..  fabulous.

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 17, 2008 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do ...
want "rationale [sic] feedback."  The trouble is, you aren't providing any.  

You don't want "real dialog."  What you evidently want is license to bash my comments and fill up this blog with just the kind of confrontational crap I have said many times I won't tolerate.  You can't have that license, and I won't take any more comments like this.

You addressed none of my points above whatsoever, and reverted to attacking me, now accusing me of "coddling" everyone and disparaging members of this blog.  I don't need an ego-stroking, but I damn sure insist on courtesy, and if you aren't willing to give it, then save me the trouble of banning you and take your opinions elsewhere, or start your own blog.  

I insist on decorum and respect for others, and that includes me.  You don't have to agree, you certainly don't have to kiss my ass but you had damn sure better show me the respect I am due as the blog owner and as an individual you do not know.  If you came to a party I was throwing and made comments like this, you can be assured you would be asked to leave.

This is not a political blog, and we don't do combative here.  If you want that, head over to TCP, or Dynasty Defenders, or whatever.  But don't bring it here.  Be nice, or begone.

This is a warning.  There won't be another.

by Truzenzuzex on Apr 17, 2008 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are an Imposter I think...
Only here on this board to antagonize...or just a very argumentative person who loves to put down Tru and others here.

Better watch your mouth...You will get banished!

by kykat51 on Apr 16, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank God!
Thats all that needs to be said!

Great for Travis! He has done a lot with very little at EKU, and UMASS. Now that he is in one of the big 6, lets watch him flourish and beat kansas every year!

by tiger85 on Apr 16, 2008 5:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What?
You didnt offer any shred of evidence to back up your comment beyond calling Tru's borish.

I might be wrong but I thought it was pretty well known that Holder and Pickens are friends and that Holder's hiring was a condition OSU met to secure a pretty large donation.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Apr 16, 2008 5:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OK
Pickens and Holder are friends..  so?  That has nothign to do with what I said nor th epoint I made.  I never commented on Holders hiring.  Read more carefully please.

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 16, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, but you did..
make sound as though it was completely absurd to claim they had a close relationship.  Remember the whole hahahaha comment you made?

The point davw83 is making is that it is well documented the two are tight and Holder by all accounts owes Pickens his job.  Based on that one could logically assume the two are "boys" and Holder probably would at the very least consult Pickens on moves being made by the athletic department.

by wldcatsfreak on Apr 16, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What ot means to be BLUE BLOODED
Those of us in here who actually bleed blue blood from our veins understand what it is to be "part of the herd." It is a mark of pride, of prejudice, and of valor. Amongst our herd we find safety, and power, because amongst our herd we find ourselves.

Those who do not actually bleed blue dont understand this for they are only understandable by those with blue blood flowing through their veins, and so I will explain what it means to be "Part of the herd," and will show that it is a good thing in this instance.

Being Blue blooded means...

  1. You are for anybody and everybody who is for UK
  2. You are against anybody and everybody who is against UK
  3. You watch tirelessly for those who claim to be fans to make known that they are in fact stupid by showing their true color (red)
  4. You live each day with the wildcats, and die each day with them
  5. You are grateful for the fanbase that has no end, number, or geographic origin. (Because if you arent part of a group then your just a crazy individual.)
  6. You understand that you are part of something bigger (a herd)
  7. You love every second of being so blessed to be able to understand that our "herd" is better than our own individuality as far as our sports fanaticism goes.
  8. You accept the value of others opinions who are in the herd as viable, even if they are not your own opinion.
  9. You dont claim to know more than you actually do about the team, program, or game.
  10. You contribute to the conversation, not only take away.
These are 10 things among many thousands that show us that its OK to be part of the Big Blue Herd. I am proud to be part of a herd that makes common sense its ally, and makes enemies of those who are fakes, shams, and otherwise.

Long live the herd, and long live those who are in it!

Neil Carter

by KingKentucky on Apr 16, 2008 6:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well said...
makes me proud to be a member of the Big Blue Herd! :)
GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on Apr 16, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Say what?
You are for anybody and everybody who is for UK????  silly

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 17, 2008 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
Nice way to reprhase that.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Apr 16, 2008 6:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

MOOO
MOOO
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Apr 16, 2008 6:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

poor taste
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Apr 16, 2008 6:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Time for...
some BCG to UMass rumors?

I hear they have a trillionaire booster, uh, actually I've met the guy (yeah, that's the ticket).

by bluenva on Apr 16, 2008 10:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hilarious
I apologize to the board, and to the herd for the agresiveness of my attack on the one who claims to have blood that runs blue
Neil Carter

by KingKentucky on Apr 16, 2008 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll ...
start one right away.

Bill Gates should be the guy, right?  No, the Sultan of Brunei.  That sounds believable.

:-)

by Truzenzuzex on Apr 17, 2008 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can someone help me out?
I can't seem to find the Seth Davis article where he writes that he was dead wrong about BCG going to OSU.  Surely he wouldn't have tossed out his speculation as fact, and then not man up and own up to it when it didn't happen, right?  Anyone got the link?  Anyone?  Bueller?  Anyone?

/crickets

C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Apr 17, 2008 9:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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