Recruiting: Is the Force with Gillispie?
Everyone who follows college basketball knows that recruiting is an inexact science. Nowhere has this been both more evident and more frustrating than at the University of Kentucky over the past few years, but unsurprisingly, Kentucky is not the only school to miss out on some gems they likely could have had (Chris Lofton, Corey Brewer) and tried to pick up some late bloomers that never bloomed (Jared Carter [yet, at least], Shagari Allene). How about Virgina Tech holding off Stephen Curry, or Maryland not offering Joe Alexander of West Virginia? Think those schools might like to have a do-over on those calls?
At this point in time, Kentucky is in a transitional period between Smith's recruiting and Gillispie's. Gillispie clearly prefers long, athletic swing players who can handle the ball. He has one already on the team when Gillispie arrived in Derrick Jasper, and has recruited two more in Kevin Galloway and DeAndre Liggins. Virtually all of the big men he is currently recruiting have a face-up game, which seems to be another characteristic Gillispie prefers. So far, Gillispie has not recruited the ponderous big man that Tubby Smith seemed to covet, nor the slower-footed perimeter players that often wound up in blue under Coach Smith. What we are seeing out of Gillispie is pretty much what he told us to expect -- the biggest, fastest, best players he can find.
I will not specifically address the recruits at 2009 and beyond, since they tend to be more unknown than known at this point in their development, nor do I intend this to be some kind of comparison between Smith an Gillispie from a recruiting standpoint. After the summer AAU season, we can begin talking about 2009 with some cogency, but for now, we will let them enjoy the transition to their final year in high school, where most of their skills for college will be developed. I am also going to assume that all our recruits will be eligible to play, which may or may not be true. Liggins took a college entrance exam yesterday that will either put to bed the concerns over his grades, or raise the specter that we will lose him to JUCO. Smith is gone and at least half of his remaining recruits have been vital to Kentucky's success.
We have already looked at recruiting in this post, which defines most of what I consider to be the major players for Kentucky's one remaining scholarship, with the exception of one recent addition -- Juan Patillo, a junior college teammate of Kevin Galloway. Patillo is typical of the type of player Gillispie prefers -- a long, athletic wing. Patillo is 6'7" and 205#, said to be a good rebounder and a good wing scorer. We have also heard rumors of possible transfers opening up another scholarship, but at this point, I think it is safe to say that I have no faith at all in those rumors. That leaves some sort of sleight of hand to make any other scholarships available, and we have no idea how that will pan out.
Based on what Kentucky is doing in recruiting, I think we can make some projections about what kind of team Gillispie sees for next year. First of all, the players Gillispie is recruiting are very similar to the ones we are losing, with the general exceptions of being taller. Only one Kentucky recruit, Paul McCoy, is listed under 6'4". A second thing that we can speculate, assuming that Meeks and Patterson both recover well from their injuries, is that Kentucky will be much more athletic than at any time in recent history. Kentucky next year will likely have a very tall back court, both in the starting and backup rotations. This backcourt will have some difficulty guarding smaller, speedier opponent's drives to the rim, but will be able to force teams deep into the shot clock by denying late-clock perimeter shots. Shooting over Derrick Jasper and Jodie Meeks at 6'6" and 6'5" respectively will be a challenge, and their size means that they are interchangeable with the wing forward defensively. That gives Kentucky a lot of different players to guard the scoring positions in the backcourt and on the wing.
Offensively, this team is built for a higher-paced game than we saw last year. With Patterson and Stevenson in the lineup, you can still expect to see a lot of post entry passes, but I expect more of these to come earlier in the shot clock than last season. With Galloway, Liggins, and possibly another wing player backing up the three perimeter positions, Gillispie can definitely afford to run more. If we wind up with another front-court player who can run the floor, like Sutton or Harrellson, that would seem to be even more likely. The biggest question is where our front-court help is going to come from. Gillispie sang Carter's praises late in the season, but it seemed that every time he had a chance to enter the game, he missed a defensive assignment and was yanked almost immediately. Williams almost never got off the bench after the exhibition season, so we have to wonder if either of these guys are going to improve enough to contribute, and neither of these guys run the floor very well. Both have been the subject of transfer rumors, more likely wishful thinking than anything substantive, but I would bet that both of them will be back in blue next year.
What I see here is Gillispie trying to follow a path more similar to that of Ben Howland of UCLA than John Calipari or Bill Self. The team Gillispie is building is built for defense, not offense, although with Patrick Patterson and Jodie Meeks available, we should have sufficient go-to scoring. Hopefully, one or more of the freshmen/JUCO players will prove capable of scoring, and you never know about Ramon Harris. Harris began to develop some offensive confidence late in the season, and his fundamentals are pretty good. If he could ramp up his offensive aggression next season, especially in the open floor, we could have the makings of a good offensive team.
The bottom line is that next year, we should have sufficient depth at most positions to play a more up-tempo game. Another season under the tutelage of Gillispie, and perhaps Carter and Williams will develop to the point that they can come in and spell Patterson and Stevenson, altough I have been disappointed so often with Carter I am not holding my breath. If so, I expect we could see our pace in the low to mid 70's next year. It is fairly important that we get our pace numbers up a bit for recruiting purposes, as today's highly rated recruits want to play the kind of up-tempo game they are used to from AAU ball. Both a slower style and an up-tempo style can be equally successful, but the fact of the matter is, today's recruits want to run up and down the floor, and tend to matriculate to colleges that embrace that style, which is largely why Memphis, North Carolina and Kansas have been so successful recruiting recently. If we want to get those kind of guys, we can't continue to play basketball at the pace we played last year. But I am confident Coach Gillispie knows this.
So, is the recruiting Force with Coach Gillispie? Many people will point to last year as proof that it was, but I disagree -- Gillispie did convince Patterson to come, but I believe he would have come in any event, and Legion didn't stick. How coaches perform in the clutch, when the recruiting pool is thin, is just as important as getting out early on the big guys. Gillispie has done the latter very well, but this year will be the big test of the former. If his decisions don't pan out, next year could be another disappointment. If they do, the Cats could return triumphant to the top of the heap.
May the Force be with you, Coach Gillispie.

Update [2008-4-13 12:53:53 by Truzenzuzex]: There is word on the street that Jodie Meeks had surgery in the last couple of days for sports hernia. I can't confirm right now, but I think this is likely to be true. Confirmation is here.
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UK Has 9 On Scholarship And 3 Commitments
Only 2 candidates for switchover to academic scholarship (need 3.3 GPA) in Meeks and Jasper and both are doubtful to do so.
I look for UK to sign 3 more this spring and 2 to leave this spring.
Which 2, which 3? No idea but UK needs another scorer, big man, and "true" point guard.
Gillispie is a good recruiter and so is his staff.
The past 5 UK coaches have been good to great recruiters.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 13, 2008 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tubby was not a good recruiter....
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 13, 2008 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All 5 UK Prior Coaches were Good Recruiters
#1 class in 2004, NR class (but #1 JuCo player) in 2005, and Top 15 class in 2006. And was headed for Top 10 class in 2007 with Patterson and Lucas.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 13, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again
Anyone who is obejective knows Tubby was not a great recruiter and the results show he was not a good recruiter (never singed a player to play in the Final Four).
Failed to break the top 10 in 05 and 06 and 07 then took his millions and ran.. niiiiiiiiice.
Good thing he could coach the hell out of a team, an average coach couldn't win the MAC with nearly all of Tubby's teams.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 13, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
False
That same program had 2 straight Top 5 classes (1998 and 1999) then 2 straight Top 10 classes (2000 and 2001) under Tubby.
UK hasn't dominated recruiting since it stopped paying players in 1970's and 1980's timeframe.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 13, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top 10 Recruiting Classes
No other Top 10 classes in 1990, 1991, 1993, 1996, or 1997.
Who recruited at UK then? Seems like you would have the same concerns about him.
Or maybe there's something else I'm missing???
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 13, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What you are missing
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 13, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please ...
His points are fair, and yours are fair. I think Smith was inconsistent in his recruiting and fell in love with the idea that he could develop national championship teams with "developable" players.
He was wrong about that. When talent sinks below a certain level, even final fours are beyond reach.
As I said, I did not intend for this thread to become a debate about Smith's recruiting.
by Truzenzuzex on Apr 13, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Recruiting And Coaching
UK averaged 26-8 with his recruits over his last 5 years at UK.
And 8 of his recruits made the NBA between 2002 and 2007. Prince, Bogans, Daniels, Fitch, Hayes, Azubuike, Rondo, and Morris.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 14, 2008 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True..
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 14, 2008 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 14, 2008 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The UK Teams From 2003 Thru 2007 Were His Recruits
They went undefeated versus SEC teams (2003) and finished #1 in AP poll for first time (at UK) since 1978.
They earned two #1 seeds and one #2 seed.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 14, 2008 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 14, 2008 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitino's Recruiting
Then two straight NR classes in 1996 and 97 when UK was #1 program.
Tubby nailed 2 straight Top 5 classes in 98 and 99 plus 2 straight Top 10 classes in 2K and 01.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 13, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitino..
Tubby ran out of gas at UK. I think he realized he wasn't good enough to lead a team to the Final Four and gave up. Minn is well suited for Tubby; all he has to do is win 20 or erach the tourny every once in a while and he will keep his million $ paycheck. He can certainly accomplish that.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 13, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Recruiting (Not FF)
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 13, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Recruiting in the clutch?
Getting out early with the top players is absolutely the most important part of recruiting and "recruiting in the clutch" is for second tier programs.
UNC never recruits "in the clutch." They select players, players don't select them. UNC decides which players they bless with an offer and UK needs to get back to that status.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 13, 2008 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What UNC does just isn't ...
Recruiting "in the clutch" will be key for UK for the next season or two, most likely. You are right that it is very important to get out in front with the big recruits, and we see Gillispie doing just that for later classes. But until at least 2010, Gillispie is going to have to make the most out of slim pickings.
by Truzenzuzex on Apr 13, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It isn't very important..
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 13, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please do not ...
We will just agree to disagree about that.
by Truzenzuzex on Apr 13, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Puzzled
If any of the decisions facing the staff were in the "no brainer" category, I suspect they would already have been made. (And maybe they have been.) We wouldn't be "in the clutch." It seems to me that the player or players we covet the most are waiting for an offer from their first choice. Other players may have us number one, but we prefer someone else. And we could be stringing McCoy along until Liggins' test scores come back.
It seems to me this was the kind of situation Tubby found himself in far too often. And we lost out in the shuffle. This year, we're struggling to get JUCOs here and are touting our walk-ons. Not the best position to be in. I'll be happy if we get a player who can score 10-12 a game next year and will be around for at least one more year.
If everybody stays, we'll have only one scholarship next year, and it has been committed to Vilarino, a slightly built Texas point guard.
The staff may well be better off focusing on the 2010 high school class when they could have 7 scholarships available.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
by Fortunatus on Apr 13, 2008 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
by yonder24 on Apr 13, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2010
He's a 6'7" deer of an athlete, who seems to fall into the category of the type of player Gillispie covets.
Those two players would make quite a recruiting haul combo.
by Ken Howlett on Apr 13, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UK Will Sign 3 Or 4 This Spring
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 13, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And ...
Nobody knows if there will be transfers yet, and Gillispie will not be allowed to sign recruits to scholarships that are not available. To my knowledge, UK has never, ever signed a recruit until another player announced his intentions to leave.
That had better not change.
by Truzenzuzex on Apr 13, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
call me crazy
by -Zoso- on Apr 13, 2008 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think ...
One thing that gives me pause is that UK has had spotty success with JUCO's. I suppose we are due for a good one. Let's hope so.
by Truzenzuzex on Apr 13, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Results will matter...
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 13, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes ...
Judge Curry or Alexander by their ranking out of high school, do you? Nobody else does.
There are relatively few "sure things" in recruiting. Smith's great 2004 class did not pan out primarily because only one of them stayed, and they all developed at vastly different rates, which essentially changed the entire dynamic of the class.
Plus, Smith did not follow up with a solid 2005 class, which forced a very large 2006 class. 2005 created huge problems which we are still living with today.
As I said, inconsistency.
by Truzenzuzex on Apr 13, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inconsistency
One thing I bet we can agree on, if you recruit top talent year in and year out, the results will be there ala multiple Final Fours(UCLA, Florida, UNC).
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 14, 2008 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tru...
Judge me by my size, do you? :)
by wldcatsfreak on Apr 14, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2004 Class
1984 UK class was #1 also. 18-13, 32-4, 18-11, 27-6 for 95-34 record over 4 years. No FF.
1979 UK was #1 as well. But only 3-4 in NCAA over 4 years. No FF.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 13, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2004 class..
Failed to win the SEC regular season or tourny in 05-06, 06-07 and 07-08. Failed to make it out of the 2nd round in 05-06, 06-07 and of course not out of the 1st round in 07-08.
The two NBA players on that team were basket cases; Morris, well we all know his story and Rajon (who is becoming an great NBA player) was selfish and could't wait to leave UK for the NBA.
Interestingly, when Tubby did have a great recruiting class as the 2004 class (on paper) he did a poor job coaching them (although you would argue winning 20 games is a big deal which it isn't) and had no NCAA tourny success with them at all.
You want to know what a great recruiting class looks like at a dominate program??? It loks like one that can win its conference, it conference tourny and make it to a damn Final Four.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 13, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1979 And 1984 Classes Also #1
By your definition, UK had no great recruiting classes in the 1990-97 timeframe.
None of those classes won SEC, SECT, and made FF. Not even the 1996 UK team did all 3 of those.
UK did that in 1998 only. The other coach was gone then.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 14, 2008 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uhm....
Newsflash.. UK went to the Final Four twice in the time frame of 1990 - 1997 and they won it all as well. The won the SEC tourny and the SEC regular season multiple times as well.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 14, 2008 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Recruiting
It is extremely hard for me to admit (obviously I am a huge BCG supporter) but I don't think he has yet proven that his recruiting ability can produce maximum results, he hasn't really been at any one place long enough to see those results. So, as far as proving himself in recruiting, the upcoming season is a good place to start.
One positive for me however, is the fact that all of Gillispie's teams, whether "his" recruits or not, have consistently continued to improve. (I don't have the stats on his record, and I'm not going to look.)
That improvement each year has to be a testament to Coach Gillispie's coaching, his effectiveness to work with what he has and to recruit players that fit that particular type of coaching and his style of play. I look to this year's TAMU vs. UCLA game as a huge source of inspiration for the future. With the talent that TAMU had (all BCG recruits) and the talent that Ben Howland recruited, it was a legitimate competition. TAMU went toe-to-toe with UCLA for much of that game. Had they not had a mental breakdown at the end, I believe A&M would have gone on to the Elite 8 and possibly further.
If Tru is correct in that BCG is trying to build teams similar to the excellent defensive ones of Ben Howland, I think that bodes well for UK because I believe BCG to be one hell of an in-game strategist. Crazy sometimes, yes, but at least willing to take a risk and try. So, if BCG is able to recruit similar talent and both teams are built for defense, my money will be on Coach Gillispie.
by BigSkyCat on Apr 13, 2008 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gillispie Has Never Coached 100% His Recruits Yet
That won't happen at UK until 2011 or 2012.
6-24 to 24-8 at UTEP. Certainly improved.
21-10 to 22-9 to 27-7 at TAMU. Also improved.
18-13 and headed up. I think 25 W are possible in 2009.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 14, 2008 6:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree ...
Liggins may not make it past 2011, but usually guards of his ilk do not go pro in 2 years unless they are Rondoesque in their distribution and defensive skills. I see Liggins as a slightly more advanced version of Jasper.
I like what Gillispie is doing, but you have to be ready to pick up that player to replace a scholarship when an unexpected late transfer or academic casualty happens. Smith actually did that rather well. It was when he was still waiting on that first signee in May that he got into trouble.
by Truzenzuzex on Apr 14, 2008 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Away from keyboard for weekend...
Anyways, commentary on the 2010 class. Like someone up-thread mentioned, CBCG could have 7-8 scholarships to fill that year and has the potential to be a monster class. I sincerely hope that he fills some of those spots with JUCO's or players who are likely to be 2 and gone to the NBA. (Age limit changing... "2 and gone" doesn't sound near as interesting as "one and done.") I never want to see us in a situation like we have next year where we may have only one scholarship available (and possibly none if Carter stays and takes a redshirt). Someone commented the other day that whoever Gillispie takes with this last slot, they better be a good one because this will be our team for the next two years.
by chirop1 on Apr 14, 2008 7:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately ...
I know this is a subject about which there is much disagreement and even hard feelings among the Big Blue Nation. But seriously, how hard can it be for people just to politely acknowledge a difference of opinion without becoming disagreeable or absurdly imperious?
Much too hard, apparently.
by Truzenzuzex on Apr 14, 2008 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the problem is
I think _ _ _ _ _ is a very good coach who let UK down and in the end became like nearly every big time college coach, i.e., ethics were set aside in the face of $$$$$$$$$$.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 14, 2008 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See ...
I do not accept the view that Smith "let down" UK, or set ethics aside in the face of lucre. But I do accept the fact that others hold that opinion, and no matter how much I disagree with it, they have an absolute right to it.
Nobody has a corner on the truth in areas such as this. Everything is an opinion, and quoting statistics are just one form of supporting an argument. However, we all know that statistics can often be used to support logical fallacies rather than sound reasoning. That is fair game for debate, but A Sea of Blue is not a "sports bar" type of site. I leave that to others without prejudice or disrespect. What we want here is reasoning, wit, and respect for opinions that we disagree with.
Nobody has to agree, but I do require that we all respect each other and avoid setting ourselves up as absolutely right on a matter of opinion, or someone else absolutely wrong. That is for political or religious sparring, and we eschew that for honest, open, respectful discussion. The reason A Sea of Blue has been so successful is that it is an island of relief from the overtly hostile places like Dynasty Defenders who encourage derisive and vitriolic commentary, and from places who claim to want respect for each other but are too big to enforce it, like The Cats Pause.
This is a place where all people who want to discuss the Cats can feel safe from ridicule and attack, and I insist that that safe haven be maintained.
by Truzenzuzex on Apr 14, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A simple "IMO" goes a long way...
by chirop1 on Apr 14, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Did _ _ _ _ _ do a good job? If it is based on Final Fours, no. That is not an opinion. If it is based on winning %, then yes. That is not an opinion.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Apr 14, 2008 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha!
Just remember that not everything that is untrue is a lie. Lies require intent to deceive, much as most crimes have an element of mens rea. I'm sure you knew that, but I wanted to show off my legalese. It makes me feel smarter than I am.
:-)
by Truzenzuzex on Apr 14, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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