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Kentucky got burned by the officials today, but that doesn't take away whatsoever from the outstanding play of the Georgia Bulldogs.  Make no mistake, the Bulldogs made great plays down the stretch and a great play at the end with their best player fouled out.  The officials once again swallowed their whistle at the end of the game and failed to call an obvious foul on Georgia on the baseline out of bounds.  I complained about this yesterday when they failed to call an obvious foul on Tyler Smith right in front of the official, and in combination with this disaster, I think it is time for Gerald Boudreaux to resign as supervisor of officials.  These no-calls are unquestionably happening under the direct instructions of Boudreaux.  I have complained several times about Boudreax's bizarre and indefensible arguments for obviously wrong calls, and I am done arguing about it.  Get out, Boudreax.  You are bad for the league, and officiating in the SEC is at an all-time low.

But make no mistake, the officials did not cost us the game, poor shooting by the Wildcats and outstanding, hard-nosed basketball by Dennis Felton's Georgia Bulldogs did.  Derek Jasper reverted to his old self, and only God knows why.  Ramel Bradley, despite his heroics to get the team the last-second lead, played very poorly overall.  Given the events of the past two days, I think the kids can be forgiven for not being 110%.  They played hard, but the Cats made many defensive errors that ultimately cost them, and looked much more fatigued than normal.  Despite their outstanding effort to get the lead at the end of OT, a miracle, challenged three by Zach Swansey ended the Cats' hopes of making a run in the SEC tournament.  Somehow, I feel like the heavens themselves are determined to frustrate Kentucky's post season hopes.  Truth be told, though, Georgia was facing exactly the same difficulties, so using the bizarre events of this weekend as an excuse simply sill not fly, and will not be made here.

So now we must wait and hope, and who knows what the ultimate outcome will be.  I confess, I am extremely frustrated and angry at the outcome of this game for reasons already discussed, but I am proud of Kentucky for giving it their all.  Once again, they left it all out there on the floor, but as we have discovered many times, prayers are frequently answered this time of year, and once again, they were answered for Kentucky's opponent.  Having to win close, grind-it-out games is always fraught with the possibility of an untimely 3-pointer at the end of the game, and Kentucky has dodged that all year -- until now.

Tomorrow, we will know the fate of Kentucky vis-a-vis the NCAA tournament.  But as Andy Glockner of ESPN said, this game now gives the NCAA an excuse to exclude the Wildcats.  I don't think they will, but if it happens, I don't think anyone will be totally shocked.  So for now, we are stuck with waiting and hoping.  Maybe our prayers will be answered, but it is also possible that circumstances have conspired against us to the point of negating our hopes.  I still think the Cats are in, but the selection committee will not be taking my opinion into consideration.

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Yep!
I see no logic to UK being kept out of NCAA.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 15, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IN
I would be very, very surprised if we were not in.

Tru - you are absolutely correct Boudreaux needs to resign.  

I was sitting with several LSU and UT fans at the tournament - pre-tornado.  Many, many bad calls.  Everyone was talking about it.  The UT fans were not bothered since they benefited from it.

Mount this on top of Gerald explanation of the "non-intentional" foul on Bliss - TIME TO GO BOUDREAUX!

by gacatfan on Mar 15, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Boudreaux
Sec officials have had a tough go of this year, I agree.  There have been bad calls (and non-calls) throughout the season.  Boudreaux needs to seek out Rogers Redding, the SEC coordinator of football officials.  The SEC football refs are the class of the nation and this is a testament to Redding.  Time for Boudreaux to find help or find the door.

I know fans of member schools are typically very proud of the SEC (see LSU fans chanting "SEC" against Ohio St. in the National championship game) but I for one am extremely disappointed in the conference this weekend.  Maybe Mike Slive should send his deputy to Indy next year and stay behind.

by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Mar 15, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tornado Alley
I live in the north georgia suburbs and, while dissapointed, am just hoping my house doesn't get flattened.

We just had two tornadoes touching down about a mile north of my house. And looks like more on the way.

What a bizarre, truly bizarre weekend and I can't wait for it to end.

by catlanta91 on Mar 15, 2008 3:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Marietta, GA
Sun is shining and the Tornado sirens are going off.....

by gacatfan on Mar 15, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roswell
Just south of Alpharetta, is where I am, Marietta.

by catlanta91 on Mar 15, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should say...
North Atlanta suburbs. Not that anyone cares.

Let me add that I'm happy for the Georgia kids, but I have no respect for their fan base. I played tennis this morning against two of that school's alumni, and they didn't even know who was playing today.

Pathetic.

by catlanta91 on Mar 15, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good luck...
to both of you and everyone else down in Georgia.  Hopefully the storms will blow past w/o incident.  Stay safe!

by wldcatsfreak on Mar 15, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no vasoline
georgia did play hard, but our boys did too with a squad that was depleted because of injuries. Billy Gillispie made a hell of defensive play at the end of the game. Just because Georgia made a dumb play they seem to get rewarded and us penalized. Well that is kentucky basketball.What would have happened if it was the other way around would the foul be called??? think about it. sure georgia played hard and wanted it badly. We did too. we all know that foul would have been called if there were several minutes left in the game. Oh well glad to be a Kentucky Fan

by oldfossil on Mar 15, 2008 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cats dance!
Bk nailed it. Since our players and teams are usually the class of the nation - like our football teams are - why can't our cageball refs rise to the challenge, as do the refs?
Would be interested in seeing how the NCAA tourney chooses refs, and how many from each conference are selected, etc.
Maybe refs should be invited to the Big Dance based on performance ratings just as the players are!
The Cats are in, for sure. So many arguments in favor, so few in opposition. I don't buy the bias argument - not even from ESPN. When you are the big kid on the block, you are going to have to learn to deal with cheap shots from everyone - and sometimes, the truth hurts.
Spending much time outside the Commonwealth (though thanx to Tru never truly away from the Nation) I find most people's attitudes about the Blue remind me of those of most folks outside the US - they love Americans, they hate our government and its decisions.
Most of the folks out there - even the Dookies - love the Cats and have a great respect for the tradition. It's just a few loudmouth sorry whiners who ruin everything for the rest of us. You know, those folks who think that because they have a license filed in Frankfort they have some magical high standard of hoops.
I find much more props and appreciation when I wear the Blue outside of Kentucky - and I wear it everywhere, even on business (i.e. my tie and a blue shirt) - than opposition, even from supposedly hostile fans in supposedly enemy territory!
Go, Cats! You can win it all if you want it!

by Way2blue4SorryFairWeatherFew on Mar 15, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Disappointment
I'm incredibly disappointed in the way this weekend has played out for our Cats. However, I will never be disappointed in this team. They've faced adversity all season long. Still very concerned about tomorrow night. I won't relax until I hear their name.

by bluegrassgal on Mar 15, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it was probably too late to matter
but when the technical was called on stevenson at the end of the game, did anyone else have a flashback moment to sheray thomas' lane violation in last year's tournament?

by cat woman on Mar 15, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Big difference
Stevenson got that lane violation on purpose to stop the intentional free throw miss....at least thats how it sounded on the radio.

by sylvar on Mar 15, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point
I didn't think of that at the time and the tv guys never mentioned it. Yes, I also agree that the teams , the heart, and the coaching are all very different. but deja vu when it comes to standing on the free through line and having things work against you.

by cat woman on Mar 15, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops
"free throw"

by cat woman on Mar 15, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes
but not concerning that particular play... more in dumb luck costing us a win that, deservedly or not, was in our hands.

look out. HUGE tornado-packed cell heading straight for Catlanta.

maybe we can mass all the furious kentucky fans into a ball and create some kind of human shield.

by catlanta91 on Mar 15, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RPI
I'm glad you guys are optimistic that the Cats are in, but I'm not feeling to good about them dropping to 60 in the RPI. This loss drops us behind quite a few teams that are NIT bound. I really feel like we needed to be in the upper 40s at least. I hope I'm wrong.

by cthom on Mar 15, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

RPI
It was my understanding that RPI is not adjusted after the end of the regular season. That is to say, I didn't think conference tournaments had any effect on RPI. . . am I correct?

And I agree - ridiculous officiating all season, and now two late no-calls in two days in SEC tourny action that DEFINITELY affected the end of the games. G.B. should go. This is the first season in memory that I have complained so heartily about the officiating. It is just awful.

by blbskue on Mar 15, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glockner
Tru,

That Glockner piece was written on Wednesday, before a ton of bubble teams lost on Thursday. On Glocker's podcast, he and Lunardi both said, without hesitation, that Kentucky was in no matter what happened in the Georgia game after what happened Thursday with all the bubble teams. I'm 90% sure we're in at this point.

by BBallSophist on Mar 15, 2008 4:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I heard that too
Not sure I care too much for Glockner. He's a little smug, and worst of all pronounces tournament "tore-na-munt."

I'm gonna go outside and collect some hail.

END, cursed weekend, END!

by catlanta91 on Mar 15, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tore-na-munt
That's how Pittsburghers say "Tournament."

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 15, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glockner's other piece
Glockner has another recent piece that argues that the last-12-games performance should not be considered by the tourney committee.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/champweek2008/columns/story?columnist=glockner_andy&id=3291413

He makes a statistical argument, and when I read it, I was sure it was logically flawed.  But after the past 24 hours, my brain didn't want to do the work to figure out what was wrong with it.

Anyway, I think his argument is so seriously flawed as to be worthless.  I decided to type up a response and post it in the comments there, but then I decided I didn't care to go through the effort of registering as a user on ESPN.com.  So, I'll post my rebuttal here, at the site of the discerning Kentucky fan.  Anybody want to take my argument and post it on ESPN's site, feel free.  (If you think my argument is good.)  :)

Here's the problem with Glockner's L12 argument:

He claims he is comparing A & B:
A = teams with better L12 records
B = teams with worse L12 records

But in reality he is comparing X & Y:
X = teams with better L12 records, that the committee, based on the L12 and numerous other factors, has determined deserved an at-large bid and a seeding of 10 or below
Y = teams with worse L12 records, that the committee, based on the L12 and numerous other factors, has determined deserved an at-large bid and a seeding of 10 or below

Should it then be a surprise that the performance of X and Y are similar?  No.  Does that mean L12 does not matter?  No.

A similar argument to Andy's would be to compare the points scored of tall players vs. short players during this season, and if they are similar, to say that height is not important in determining the value of a basketball player.  It's just a remarkably flawed argument.

by johnr on Mar 15, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think ...
What he should do is divide the teams into different groups, and figure out if one group shows a statistically significant correlation to winning versus losing.  He effectively ensures the data fits his argument by selecting a very small sample, limits it only to double-digit seeds, and averages it into meaninglessness.

A better way would be to look at the past, say, 10 tournament years' first round games and consider the records of the last 12 games only of each team.

My guess is that you would find that teams with high winning % in the last 12 games prior to the NCAA tournament have a statistically significant improvement in their chances to win that first game overall.  You could then break the probabilities down further by seeding, and see where, if anywhere, that advantage disappears.

Glockner is essentially guilty of several logical fallacies including Composition and biased sample.  Nothing new for writers with an agenda -- he wanted to reach this conclusion, and my guess is that he selected the data to support it.  He may ultimately be right, but all this article proves is that he has no understanding of statistics, or has deliberately manipulated them in order to support his argument.

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 15, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The committee's appraisal is built-in to the...
The committee's efforts in appraising the teams is already built into the data sample, if one decides to analyze teams that have been invited to dance, and then group them according to seeding.  That is a key point.  In theory, if the committee does a perfect job in selecting and seeding the teams, then no particular external measure should matter for tourney performance, because they have all been taken into consideration by the committee already.  All eleven seeds should perform similarly, regardless of their last-12 game performances.  Glockner's data, to the extent that it proves anything, proves that the committee does a good job.

by johnr on Mar 15, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's it gonna be?
I guess we know get to see which hold more water with the commitee, the "entire body of work," or last 10-12 games.  

Considering Jasper, Meeks, Crawford, Bradley, and Patterson all lost time this year with injuries I would hope/think those making the decisions would give us a little leniency on the 12 losses.  Seriously, 18 wins with the time our best players lost this year playing the 12th toughest schedule in the country is nothing to take lightly.  

Top that off with a mid season turn around in play that no one (davis, vitale, goodman or bilas) can deny, and I would think we are in.  I mean come on 12-4 has got to count for something.  

However, I part of me can't help but think losing today gives the powers that be a reason to sink us.  I swear I hope I am way wrong on this, but I am really worried right now and plan on spending the next 24+ hours sweating...a lot.

Whatever happens though, I can say one thing without hesitation; I am proud as hell of these guys, they played hard, fought for one another and the name on the front of their jersey.  Be it NCAA or NIT whoever we face next be afraid.....be very afraid.

GO CATS!

by wldcatsfreak on Mar 15, 2008 4:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hogs root out Vols!
Yeah! A crummy day just got a whole lot better!
Any of these SEC teams hang tough like this in the Big Dance, a lot of folks are gonna wish they'd never made comments about this "soft" league!
Go CATS!

by Way2blue4SorryFairWeatherFew on Mar 15, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah@!@
We don't need no Alabama flame-outs in the NCAA!!!!

by bluecrip on Mar 15, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is a problem
UGA just beat MSU.  We do NOT need them taking another available bid.
C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Mar 15, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Potential bid or not,
UGA really deserves credit for the guts and heart they needed to win two tourney games in one day, especially after the first one went to OT.  It's not often somebody fouls out twice in one day, but Gaines gave everything he had out there.  Personally, I do hope they beat Arkansas; it'd be a heck of a story to go from a #6 seed all the way through and win with the year that we've had.

But a gutsy performance and a brilliant job by Felton to have his team ready to win two underdog games.  He's taken a lot of heat down in Athens for a down year in the regular season, but you just can't ask for more from a guy.  The fact that it happened on GaTech's home court is just a little icing for them.

(And again, I don't think UK's bid is in any danger.)

by Hooper on Mar 15, 2008 10:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope you are right
However, with temple and unlv already grabbing unexpected automatic bids, georgia (hats off to them by the way) and illinois possibly snagging a couple more, the available bids are shrinking.  

I agree we should still be in, but.......

by wldcatsfreak on Mar 15, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They really do ...
deserve a great deal of credit for accomplishing that remarkable task.

I am afraid I will be pulling against them tomorrow.  I fear for our tournament chances if Georgia wins.

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 16, 2008 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something else to consider,
the next time there's a delay in a tournament for whatever reason, they'll always have this tournament to look to as a precedent that says a team can play two games in one day and still be competitive.  You can thank UGA for establishing that one.

;)

by Hooper on Mar 15, 2008 10:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think ...
there are going to be some very sore butts in the SEC after this tournament.  None of the teams who were forced to deal with this are going to be happy, and they will force the SEC to have contingency plans from here on that don't include excluding 50,000 plus fans from games.

You will never see this again, I predict.

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 16, 2008 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nervous about Ark vs Jawja
I'm with NYCCats.  When I saw Jawja beat MSU last night, my immediate thoughts were whether the NCAA would take 6 teams from a "down" SEC.

I think we should all be John Pelphry fans today.

by chirop1 on Mar 16, 2008 8:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"the officials did not cost us the game"
If that was a charge then the officials absolutely cost UK the game.  The last great play of the game was BCG's perfect inbounds call and the great execution by UK to draw the charge.  It was perfection.  If that was a charge then the officials determined the outcome of the game, not the players.

IMO, it was a charge.  This was a worse no-call than Tyler Smith's push off.  It happened in full view of two officials.  Make no mistake, they saw this play coming, they have called hundreds of college games and this play was nothign new.  IMO, the no-call was predetermined.  UK made the last great play but the Cats, lost because of officiating.

by BeatUL on Mar 16, 2008 9:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you ...
that it was unquestionably a charge.  Slam dunk, no doubt, pure bad no-call.

But to say it costs us the game presumes facts not in evidence.  We don't know if Bradley would have made both free throws.  If he had made only one, we would have gone to a second OT.

But it surely cost us a chance to win the game that we clearly earned, and that was wrong.

I don't really agree that it was a worse no-call than the Tyler Smith debacle.  That one was nearly flagrant, and was surely intentional.  He obviously and deliberately shoved the guy to the ground right in front of an official.

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 16, 2008 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If One Call Determines The Game
Then UK makes FF in 2005 because Patrick Sparks was clearly fouled on his (made) 3-point shot at the end of Mich St game.

But one call doesn't. UK is a better team than GA but didn't show it yesterday.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 16, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong...
That is like saying one play doens't determine a game yet it often does.  UK made the last great play of the game and the officials robbed UK of the chance to win or take it to overtime.  It doesn't happen often, but this is one clear example of officiating determinging the outcome fo the game, not the players.

by BeatUL on Mar 16, 2008 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At the very least ...
they deprived UK of a chance to win the game.  UK earned that chance by fair play.  It was denied to them by the officials' failure to properly enforce the rules of the game.

Maybe they would have won, maybe not, but the officials deprived the Cats of the opportunity that they deserved, that they earned, by setting a fair screen that was run over by the UGA player.

Thank God that loss did not end our season.  I would have been ugly around here if it had.

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 16, 2008 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugly. Doesn't even begin to .....
...describe the scene around the Commonwealth if UK had not received a bid :)

by Ken Howlett on Mar 17, 2008 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad Call, Yes
But so was the No Call (foul) on Sparks' 3-pt shot vs Mich St in 2005.

Or similar bad call(s) in the UK vs UAB game in 2004.

One call is not the entire game.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 17, 2008 6:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true ...
but we have to acknowledge Georgia's effort in getting themselves in that position.  We can't say that Kentucky blew it, because quite frankly, the Dawgs played themselves into that position by gritty effort and hard work.

So in essence, saying that "Kentucky put themselves there" dismisses the hard work that Georgia did.  If I have learned nothing else from Billy Gillispie this year, I have learned not to do that.

Therefore, I think it is fair to say that the bad call was pivotal to our chances, and that we earned the right to shoot free throws, which were improperly denied us by a poor no-call.  It affected Kentucky's chance to win the game in a demonstrable, obvious way -- a chance we deserved, but were denied.  The outcome may have wound up the same, but we don't know that and thanks to an official swallowing his whistle, never will.

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 17, 2008 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way ...
The foul on Sparks was far less obvious.  It was missable from where the officials were on the floor.  Even if that was a bad call, it is understandable.

Not so the one against Georgia, which happened right in front of the official's face.

I don't mind a reluctance to call minor contact at the end of games fouls -- I do understand and sympathize with the official's desire not to insert themselves into the outcome of the game.  But when it is blatant and obvious, you just have to call it.

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 17, 2008 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question for FortyYear
What does a missed call 4 years ago have to do with the missed call Saturday?

by Ken Howlett on Mar 17, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing..
but his best friend Tubby called him and reminded him of it.

by BeatUL on Mar 17, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apples & Oranges
Sparks was a missed call and not obvious at all and may not have even been a foul.

Not calling the charge was intentional.  It was seen, hell, they knew it was coming.  Those officials new exactly what they were doing and that is shameful.

Doesn't matter now, the outcome is actually one I like.  GA is in and UK got a very attractive position in the tourny.

by BeatUL on Mar 17, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
of course it assumes Bradley makes both; I am fine with that assumption and I believe it cost UK the game and at worse, overtime.

Just because a foul was not intentional doesn't mean it shouldn't be called; that is just ignorant.  Most fouls are not intentional.  It was a much worse call than Tyler Smith's push off because it was made clearly in front of two officials who saw it coming and they decided not to make the call.  it was an intentional no-call.  Tyler Smith's fouls was made going after tha ball, among a crowd with the officials having to watch multiple things.

Now Georgia is about to beat Ark and if UK is left out of the tourny it is the result of inept officials who don't deserve their job.

by BeatUL on Mar 16, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look
Nowhere did I suggest that if a foul wasn't intentional it shouldn't be called.  Nowhere.

I am warning you about this for the very last time.   You have been baiting people repeatedly, and creating implications from their comments that you feel comfortable calling "ignorant" and "stupid" and the like where they rarely exist.  

If you feel the need to use words like "ignorant" and "stupid" in regards to my or anyone else's comments, you will do so only one more time.

You will not be warned again.

by Truzenzuzex on Mar 16, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Surprisingly
even espn highlighted the play, showed that two officials each had a clear line of sight and questioned why the call wasn't made.  Methinks it's freezing over somewhere.

by wldcatsfreak on Mar 16, 2008 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

UK Is IN
The NCAA takes the best At Large teams regardless of conference.

UK is IN as 10 or 11 seed.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 16, 2008 10:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope you are right...
and if they don't make it in you can have a field day with all the stats of how UK was greatest snub in NCAA history.

by BeatUL on Mar 16, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

U Got That Rite 40
That you are, 40!
That you are!

by Way2blue4SorryFairWeatherFew on Mar 17, 2008 12:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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