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Pride (in the name of hate)

Kentucky and Louisville.  The big one.  The bitterest of bitter rivalries.  A juxtaposition of U2's famous Pride (in the name of love) seems the perfect allegorical starting point.

This is a burning question we seem to ask ourselves every year, especially when we hear Dickie V. on television during the annual Duke/North Carolina games going on and on about how that is college basketball's greatest rivalry.  With that in mind, I encourage you to read Mike's post over at the Card Chronicle addressing this question, and why he thinks that the Cardinals vs. the Wildcats is the greatest of them all.

I must tell you, however, that I find quite a bit to disagree about in Mike's piece, and some that is downright objectionable.  But because his reasoning is so tied up with racial politics, and because I am loath to entangle sports and politics on this blog, I will simply say that I don't agree with Mike's apparent take that racial animus is the essential basis of the rivalry between the two schools.  There is no question that it is a factor, I just don't believe the modern rivalry truly has its roots in racialism.  I also don't find his suggestion that Jamaal Mashburn is "unlikely to show up on the list of a Breathitt County man's top five all-time favorite Cats" either clever or likely to be true, but I suppose we will have to agree to disagree about that, since there is no way I know of to test Mike's premise.

But I do agree with much of what Mike has to say, including his conclusion that Louisville and Kentucky, not Duke and North Carolina, represent the most intense rivalry in all of college basketball.  That is what I want to focus on.

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Adolph Rupp is largely responsible for the rivalry that exists today, but not for reasons related to race relations.  Jon Scott tells this tale very well on his website, and I will jump ahead to the beginning of the Rupp years and Jon's explanation of how this went:

A large reason for the break was the arrival in 1930 of Adolph Rupp to the Lexington campus. Rupp was dedicated to bringing Kentucky basketball to a national level, something he was amazingly successful at as he made Kentucky a name synonymous with college basketball. However part of that effort was to break all ties with in-state schools. Rupp believed that in order to effectively build a strong program which could compete on a national level, it paid no dividends to become mired in rivalries against in-state competition. This philosophy frustrated to no end many rival fans and coaches, chief among them Western Kentucky's legendary coach Ed Diddle, Eastern Kentucky's Paul McBrayer and others, including Louisville's Peck Hickman and later Denny Crum.

The snub was especially stinging for Louisville as they could only watch as Rupp began to host a hugely successful series against Notre Dame in the nearby Jefferson County Armory along with seeing UK dominate many SEC Tournaments which were held at the facility. During the 1930's, the University of Kentucky also enjoyed great success in attracting many prep players from the city of Louisville, among others Warfield Donohue, Russell Ellington (who transferred to UK from the University of Louisville), James Goforth, Joseph Hagan and future All-American Lee Huber.

This, my friends, is the root of the bitter part of the rivalry.  Plainly speaking, it boiled down to jealousy.  Rupp was unwilling to share the success he had garnered on the national scene with in-state schools.  Rupp was using the fact that he was not playing in-state rivals as a mechanism to bring a more national focus to Kentucky basketball, and this understandably rankled many at Louisville, Western and other Kentucky schools.  Now, before anyone suggests that I am taking sides against Rupp, I will tell you that I think he was absolutely right to do what he did, from the standpoint of the program.  Rupp understood that in order to focus on national rivalries and a national basketball scope, he had to eschew local rivals.  Of course, Louisville was having some fair success in their own right in that era, prompting Rupp to go so far as to pressure SEC teams not to play Louisville for fear that Louisville would beat them and make Kentucky look bad.  Naturally, Louisville fans were incensed, and Kentucky became an avowed enemy.

But then came Wesley Unseld, and the bitter recruiting battle that ensued.  This event, in my opinion, is a major nexus of the modern Kentucky-Louisville rivalry.  Again, from Jon Scott's Rivalry Text:

But the recruitment of Unseld by UK proved to be daunting. Most of it was Kentucky's fault, as in the years previous they watched idly by as standout black players like Tom Thacker and Clem Haskins played high school ball virtually under UK's nose, but were never recruited and ended up taking their talents elsewhere. When Rupp traveled to Louisville to visit Unseld at his home, Wes only stayed for a few minutes before leaving for another engagement. Rupp stayed and talked with Unseld's parents, however it was a tough sell as the elder Unseld was concerned why UK had not recruited any black players before. Lamented Rupp about the visit, "we never got anywhere at all with that situation."

Unseld received threatening letters, purportedly from Kentucky fans, suggesting he shouldn't attend UK. It was never established whether these were indeed UK fans or fans of another school masquerading as UK fans in an attempt to sway him away from the Lexington campus.

Either way, it was irrelevant.  Wesley Unseld went on to star at Louisville, and many Kentucky fans got their noses all out of joint.  Kentucky was not used to having their actual recruiting targets go to smaller in-state schools.  But by the late 1960's Louisville's success on the court gained them grudging respect even from Wildcat fans, and tempers began to cool.  Then came Denny Crum, and shortly after his arrival, the famous (back then) series of events which kindled a blazing inferno from a barely-smoldering ember:

University of Louisville Head Coach Denny Crum was not in his new job for long before he walked into a hornets nest regarding UK. When asked about UK's freshman recruiting class (consisting of Kevin Grevey, Jimmy Dan Conner, Mike Flynn and Bob Guyette among others), Crum said he was 'not overly impressed' with the Wildcats. He said about Louisville's class that "I wouldn't trade any of them for our two best freshmen at Louisville - Allen Murphy and Junior Bridgeman" He went on to say that Allen Murphy, "would eat any of the UK's guys alive."

The words enraged UK fans who began to call the new coach 'Denny the Crumb' among other less than complementary terms. Already smarting from the phenomenal success of UCLA and John Wooden in the 1960's which cast UK's historic dominance of college basketball in grave doubt, the last thing Kentucky fans wanted to see was a brash disciple of Wooden take up residence in nearby Louisville. When asked about the furor he created, Crum said "I knew about Kentucky and their great basketball tradition, but when I thought of college basketball I thought of UCLA, not Kentucky. In my opinion, coach Wooden was and always will be the greatest coach in the history of the game. I had a hard time understanding why everybody was so upset about the things I said. How could anybody ignore the success of Coach Wooden and the UCLA program?"
You have to give Denny credit -- even if he may not have intended to outrage Kentucky fans, he could hardly have done so any more effectively.  Not only were the Wildcats' Boys in Blue disrespected by the new Louisville coach, but UCLA, the dominant team of the 1970's, was thrown up by Crum as the archetype of a successful college basketball program at the expense of Kentucky.  Understandably, Kentucky fans disagreed.  From a UK fan standpoint, Crum had spoken blasphemy, and forever became the object of anger and invective from many Kentucky fans of the day.  Louisville became an ugly word around UK circles, and as you might expect, Louisville fans began to return the bad vibes sent their way with their own.

Denny Crum's success on the court led directly to the renewal of the modern rivalry game under threat of legislative mandate, and that success further enraged Cat fans, who were loathe to share the success of their program with another in-state team, particularly one coached by Crum.  Kentucky fans continued to stoke the anger throughout the 1980's, creating pejoratives like "Little Brother" to describe Louisville, which former coach Joe B. Hall famously repeated.  What could they expect from the Cardinal fans but resentment?  Not only that, but Louisville was enjoying unprecedented success against the Wildcats on the court, particularly in 1983, further stoking the flames of passion and dislike among Kentucky fans.  But that all changed in the 1990's.

With the coming of Rick Pitino, Kentucky basketball enjoyed wide-ranging success, and marked the beginning of a gradual decline from national prominence of the Cardinals.  Louisville still had success against the Wildcats on the court, but it was now becoming clear that the Cardinals were going to be on the short end of the rivalry for some time to come.  Even the departure of Pitino and the coming of Tubby Smith did not reverse this trend, and the anger from the UK side gradually abated.  Many Kentucky fans would cheer for Louisville over other teams, and professed the Cards as their "second favorite".  Cardinal fans, more and more frustrated with their return to second-class status in the state, began to fume even more.  Loathing of Kentucky became a rite of passage, and you would very rarely find "Cardinal first, Wildcats second" fans.  This has festered on through the new millennium, and now it is Cardinal fans who have an almost irrational disgust for Kentucky fans, the exact reverse of the 1970's and 1980's.  As is typical of such a cycle, Wildcat fans are again beginning to reciprocate that loathing with their own, fueled by the return of their former coach to the state as the head coach of Louisville.

So where does that leave us?  I would argue that there is no basketball rivalry anywhere as bitter as this, and the rivalry between Duke and North Carolina simply pales in comparison.  UK-UL is a festering sore that has been treated with dirty bandages, denied antiseptic, and the pain of it sets brother against brother.  It is as bitter as they come, rivaled only by the extremes of college football's most vitriolic resentments -- Auburn-Alabama or Florida-Florida State.  UNC-Duke seems positively Marques of Queensbury by comparison.

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Kentucky's got a great tradition and I love the SEC.  But if I had to rank all the 'great' college hoops programs I'd have to go with UCLA first.  Kentucky, Kansas, and UNC would have to fight for second.

Seems the pouring on of Crum was a little over the top.  His opinion is hardly controversial.

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by Gatorpilot on Jan 4, 2008 7:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Of course ...
it's controversial.  UCLA was very successful in roughly 2 decades, and has all but one national championship under Wooden.

Kentucky has had national championships in 4 decades under 4 different head coaches.

Stick to football.  It's what you understand.

:-)

by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2008 8:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok. It's not WITHOUT...
...  controversy.

But it's not an unpopular opinion.

Ben Howland has taken UCLA to Back to Back Final Fours.  UCLA has been operating at the elite level of college basketball for awhile now.

It's gotta be UCLA first.  Sorry. :)

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by Gatorpilot on Jan 4, 2008 9:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It is UK
and even the Dick Vitale acknowledges that. Nice try though.

by BeatUL on Jan 5, 2008 5:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Partisanship...
...  well, if it makes you feel any better, it is a VERY close race among those four.

And it's largely subjective.  You can say it's Kentucky, or Kansas, or UCLA or whatever, and there are reasons why that may be so.

For me personally, and I truly am looking at this as a basketball fan rather than an SEC fan, UCLA represents the top level of hoops "royalty".  Nothing wrong with that impression.  Plenty of others share it.

No need to lose sleep over this.

Dick Vitale's down after throat surgery, so he's not confirming or denying anything right now...  ba-bee!

Orange & Blue Hue http://www.orangeandbluehue.com

by Gatorpilot on Jan 5, 2008 10:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wooden
John Wooden, in my opinion, is the most overhyped college basketball figure in the history of the sport.

The media, for many years, have swept the truth about Wooden under the rug. This is a guy who coached at UCLA for 15 seasons before he won anything. He had a .706 winning % for those first 15 years, then suddenly he starts signing players from all over the country. The "help" he received from the Bruin boosters, or more specifically, one booster in particular, has been covered up by the mainstream media.

The NCAA literally goes to Bowling Green and takes their Final Four trophy out of their trophy case because a player on that team had signed with an agent unbeknownst to any coaches or teammates. Yet, UCLA is involved in co-signing apartments for players, purchasing vehicles for players, etc. The NCAA does nothing to the Bruins until Larry Brown attempts to do the same things when he was coach in the late 70's and early '80's. Hell, even Jim Harrick committed violations, albeit benign violations compared to his predessesors. His indiscretions did not give his team a competitive advantage, unlike Wooden and Brown.

I certainly realize UK has not been clean throughout their history, but the few instances of violations that have occurred at UK does not compare to UCLA's long-running lawlessness.

Ben Howland will hopefully run the program honestly.

Louisville will always have an inferiority complex masked by bravado.

I agree with Rupp 100%. As I stated in an earlier post, there simply is no compelling reason to play UL. UK has nothing to gain, and everything to lose. The legislators threatening to step in speaks to their collective ignorance, and another reason why state governments shouldn't be trusted to take out the trash. If Hagan had any balls, he would have tied them up in court for decades.

But, since we do play, the game has become the most important non-conference game on the schedule.

As far as those UK fans who root for UL also, I would rather shoot my mother in her pinky toe than root for UL, in any sport.  

by Ken Howlett on Jan 4, 2008 10:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great points, Ken ...
but I do disagree with your suggestion that there is no compelling reason to play U of L.  Back in Rupp's day, you would have been absolutely spot on.  With the relative dearth of media and the way that games were covered, there was no compelling reason to play Louisville.

These days, things are different, and Kentucky benefits from this rivalry.  It is the kind of game that draws intense national interest, and that always benefits Kentucky.  It allows us to showcase our program on a national level, which I believe comes out ahead of virtually every other one in America, although that is certainly a matter of opinion.

My wife feels the same way you do about the Cardinals.  I don't have quite that much disgust for them, although I have significantly more now than I did back in years gone by.  Cardinal fans themselves are directly responsible for that change, by the way, and that way before the Internet became the medium of choice for sports opinion.

Many people are unaware of the alleged improprieties in UCLA's program, and I myself am loathe to dredge it up.  I like John Wooden, even though I do retain grave doubts about some of the things he allowed to happen during his wildly successful tenure.  But I hate it when other teams throw our past indiscretions in my face, so I am reluctant to do the same to the Bruins, especially when, rightly or wrongly, there were never any NCAA findings to support them.

I am content to let Kentucky's record stand up against UCLAs without casting aspersions on their propriety.  We have withstood the test of time, and have been a lot less up and down than the Bruins over a much longer period of time.  The fact that we have had no less than four different coaches win national championships at Kentucky tells me that our program is not a cult of personality, as UCLA, Louisville and Duke arguably have been, and Florida is likely to be.

by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2008 11:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Tru
If nothing else, not playing UL today would create a firestorm of media contempt towards UK. Kentucky would look bad, as if they were running from Louisville. So yes, I begrudgingly agree with your assessment. I simply despise the program in red, and playing them instead of ignoring them is in my mind akin to giving the KKK air time instead of no time. I realize I have the minority opinion on this issue, but that's how I feel.

My bringing up UCLA's faults is a result of the media, as well as the NCAA, completely ignoring what happened in Westwood. One never, ever hears of Sam Baker, (I think that was his name), or any of the violations that took place. UK on the other hand is considered the Darth Vader of college basketball, the "Bad Boys", when none of the 7 championships UK has won has ever been sullied with accusations of wrong-doing.

Plus, instead of Rupp receiving his rightful place as the greatest college coach ever, Wooden instead garners that honor with most, outside of Kentucky.

You are right though. Even considering UCLA's run as legitimate, it still doesn't stand up to UK's 70 years of excellence.

I don't often think about such things, I am not obsessed with it, but I had to chime in after reading the above comments.

As usual you possess the level head I do not. My emotions do run deep regarding these issues.

by Ken Howlett on Jan 4, 2008 11:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I disagree ...
You are very level-headed.  Quite frankly, your knowledge of the situation is impressive, and not all that many UK fans are even passingly familiar with some of the -- ahem -- suspicious things that went on with Baker and the Bruins.

I was speaking, really, for myself, not chastising you.  My wife would totally agree with your take on Louisville, and nothing is wrong with a little bitterness over some of the selective takes on coaches over the years.  It is also frustrating to me, I suppose I just threw in the towel on that debate years ago.  Perhaps my pragmatism is not the best thing to bring to the fore.

I do understand how you feel.  If its any consolation, I tend to write more from my head than my heart, or I might have written the same thing.

by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2008 12:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Quote
"Don't measure yourself by what you
have accomplished, but by what you
should have accomplished with your ability."

-John Wooden

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by Gatorpilot on Jan 5, 2008 10:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bravo!
Very well written Tru. Can't argue with most of it, the rest is trivial. Good job.

by Clandestine on Jan 5, 2008 3:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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