Before they came to Kentucky
Today, just for fun and in celebration of the fact that it is less than 40 days now until Big Blue Madness, I thought I would look at summaries of our last four coaches' college coaching statistics before they came to Kentucky. So without any further ado, here is the table:
| Before they came to Kentucky | ||||
| Sutton | Pitino* | Smith | Gillispie | |
| Years | 16 | 7 | 6 | 5 |
| Won | 342 | 133 | 124 | 100 |
| Lost | 125 | 74 | 62 | 58 |
| Winning Seasons | 16 | 6 | 6 | 4 |
| Losing Season | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Average wins | 21.38 | 19 | 20.67 | 20 |
| Average losses | 7.81 | 10.57 | 10.33 | 11.6 |
| % Seasons >= 10 L | 0.31 | 0.43 | 0.5 | 0.4 |
| Worst Winning % | 0.56 | 0.48 | 0.52 | 0.2 |
| Best Winning % | 0.93 | 0.74 | 0.74 | 0.79 |
| Average % | 0.73 | 0.64 | 0.66 | 0.63 |
| NCAA Appearances | 10 | 1 | 4 | 3 |
| Final Fours | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Final Eights | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Sweet Sixteens | 3 | 0 | 3 | 1 |
| % NCAA Appear. | 0.63 | 0.14 | 0.67 | 0.6 |
| *Spent 2 years coaching NY Knicks before coming to Kentucky | ||||
Well, now, I'm not sure if this tells us anything too significant, but I have never really seen them compared side-by-side like this, and there are a few interesting things to note.
The first thing that catches my eye is that despite different pre-Kentucky career lengths and decades, the average number of wins is strikingly close. Obviously, the closer we are to today, the more games, on average, most teams played. Back in the 70's, which is where Eddie Sutton coached his first games, there were not only fewer games in the season, but in the tournament, as well.
The second thing that gets my attention is how close the "worst" winning percentages are, with the exception of Billy Gillispie. Gillispie's first coaching assignment was a UTEP program that was totally moribund, and he took it over too late to do much with it the first year. But what a difference he made after that, going from 2 wins to an NCAA appearance.
The % of seasons with greater than 10 losses (a recent "benchmark" of detractors of our previous coach) is somewhat surprisingly similar, even with the variances in career length. It is interesting to note that only Eddie Sutton averaged less than 10 losses for his pre-Kentucky college career. It's also kind of interesting to note that only Pitino and Gillispie have ever experienced a losing season in their career.
Notice average winning %, and how very close it is between our last three coaches who had similar pre-Kentucky career lengths. I have to give Gillispie some more props here, because if you take away that 2-win season and replace it with a 17-13 one, he would be close to the top in average winning %. Of course, Sutton blows everyone away in NCAA appearances because his career was more than twice as long as his nearest peer. Looking at % NCAA appearances, the numbers suggest that both Gillispie and Smith would have had similar values similar to Sutton if their pre-Kentucky career had been as long. This isn't a knock on Pitino -- his college career was interrupted twice by stints in the professional ranks, and that would be expected to impact his numbers.
Anyway, you can tell I am scraping the bottom of the barrel when I post things about our historical coaches' pre-Kentucky career, but well, I always like to play around with such things, just for fun if nothing else. Also, I must disclaim that there was a bit of manual data entry and there could be an error or two in here, so if you spot one, please feel free to point it out.

Update [2007-9-4 17:59:56 by Truzenzuzex]: Just on the off chance some UK fans have forgotten what incredible, worldview-changing, ego-crushing, mind-numbing agony feels like, read this. I truly feel Dave's pain.
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Sorry...pet peeve
Loosing.] [From Loose, a.]
1. To untie or unbind; to free from any fastening; to remove
the shackles or fastenings of; to set free; to relieve.
Losing Los"ing, a. [See Lose, v. t.]
Causing or incurring loss; as, a losing game or business.
Sorry Tru....Pet peeve of mine. Just thought I'd point it out.....I'll shut up now. :)
ha
All writers have their Waterloo.
Yours is "lose/loose." Always has been.
You are an entertaining, articulate and talented writer. Never loose sight of that.
LOL
Keep up the good work!
Sutton
I never realized just how old eddie sutton was until I saw that he spent 10 years as a head coach before coming to UK and he just retired last year.
No one cares about your spelling mistakes. Keep the posts coming.
Tried and failed...
by blueblood on Sep 4, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions
Well ...
Why Stop with Sutton
That ...
Pitino
by atlantic601 on Sep 4, 2007 7:36 PM EDT reply actions
even more interesting
Pitino's Winning Percentage at UK: 81+%
Pitino's Winning Percentage at UL: 67.5%
I find it very interesting that his post-UK numbers are only slightly better than his Pre-UK numbers and neither compares to what he did at UK.
That ...
Absolutely...
Now, I can't wait to see what Tubby's numbers look like a Minn.
Second Fiddle
It has taken him many more years to right the ship at UL, but as expected his recruiting acumen has taken over. It also helps that there is now an age restriction for the NBA, which takes away an opportunity for him to screw up.
Pitino
Pitino is not the same guy or coach that he was in early nineties. Yes, he's still top notch HOF material capable of winning a title but some key differences
- While he is still "driven", he's not the 24/7 maniac run thru a brick wall guy that he was in the nineties
- He relies much more on assistants in terms of practice and recruiting
- Winning every game is no longer life or death to him
- Instead of taking on the world over every little cause, there's alot more "whatever"
He's probably a better person but not quite as good coach as he was in the mid 90s
by run and gun on Sep 6, 2007 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Gillespie at UTEP during his first year there...
Thanks for letting me share that with you and I wish all the best to Gillespie and Kentucky this season...
Robert, UTEP class of 92
by UTEP 92 on Sep 4, 2007 9:39 PM EDT reply actions
Hi Robert ...
Michigan
I have never ...
Michigan has a great football program, and you can hardly blame Kentucky recruits from going there given their tradition. Besides, it isn't like Kentucky doesn't hit their basketball recruits pretty hard. We have stolen away two of their best over the last 4 years, and I don't see that coming to an end.
And I am fine with Notre Dame as well. Never met a Notre Dame or Michigan fan that was anything other than polite and respectful of Kentucky, at least to my face. Probably just dumb luck, but neither school has ever given me a reason not to like them. I even liked Digger Phelps back when he was coaching basketball at ND.
There is somethign to be said..
Look at the resumes, tenures and what we all know of coaches at UK. Here is what the media fails to report:
- UK turns the up and coming coach into a superstar
- UK doesn't hire coaches that already have championships
- Coaches stay a long time at UK
- UK doesn't fire its coaches
- UK makes its coaches rich and famous
- Former UK coaches (ok, Pitino and the drunk make for a small sample size) do not succeed elsewhere as they did at UK.
by Catfan on Sep 6, 2007 12:33 PM EDT reply actions
Billy G
thats why I think G is going to be such a hit here.
He is all of the things that Pitino used to be.

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