A look at basketball starting lineup possibilities
There isn't much Kentucky basketball news out there, so I thought it might be interesting to project ourselves forward into the regular season and look at some possible starting lineups for the Wildcats, and examine how each might be beneficial.
First off, Let's look at our roster:
| # | Name | Pos. | Yr. | Exp. | Ht./Wt. | Hometown (last school) |
| 1 | Alex Legion | G | Fr. | HS | 6'5"/196# | Detroit, MI (Oak Hill Academy) |
| 3 | Ramel Bradley | G | Sr. | 3V | 6'2"/199# | New York, NY (The Pendleton School, Fla.) |
| 5 | Derrick Jasper | G | So. | 1V | 6'6"/213# | Paso Robles, CA (Paso Robles) |
| 13 | Michael Porter | G | So. | 1V | 6'2"/193# | Modesto, CA (Modesto Christian) |
| 15 | A.J. Stewart | F | Fr. | HS | 6'8"/208# | Jacksonville, FL (Arlington Country Day HS) |
| 21 | Perry Stevenson | F | So. | 1V | 6'9"/192# | Lafayette, LA (Northside) |
| 23 | Jodie Meeks | G | So. | 1V | 6'4"/212# | Norcross, GA (Norcross) |
| 25 | Mike Williams | C | Fr. | HS | 6'11"/270# | Solihull, (Bishop Ireton HS) |
| 32 | Joe Crawford | G | Sr. | 3V | 6'5"/221# | Detroit, MI (Renaissance) |
| 34 | Ramon Harris | F | So. | 1V | 6'7"/216# | Anchorage, AK (West Anchorage HS) |
| 42 | Mark Coury | F | So. | 1V | 6'8"/230# | Detroit, MI (Detroit Day HS) |
| 43 | Jared Carter | C | Jr. | 1V | 7'2"/250# | Georgetown, KY (Scott County) |
| 54 | Patrick Patterson | F | Fr. | HS | 6'9"/219# | Huntington, WV (Huntington HS) |
Now, lets make a starting lineup. My first iteration, or Option 1, based on nothing more than past performance and expectations, would probably look something like this:
| # | Name | Pos. | Yr. | Ht./Wt. | Option 1 |
| 3 | Ramel Bradley | G | Sr. | 6'2"/199# | 1 |
| 23 | Jodie Meeks | G | So. | 6'4"/212# | 3 |
| 32 | Joe Crawford | G | Sr. | 6'5"/221# | 2 |
| 43 | Jared Carter | C | Jr. | 7'2"/250# | 5 |
| 54 | Patrick Patterson | F | Fr. | 6'9"/219# | 4 |
Obviously, this option is contingent upon Jared Carter being a) available to play, and b) being the best available option -- i.e. significantly better than going with another forward or another guard. I am not sanguine about either contingency based on what we know now. But let's just assume this is what we have for the moment.
Backups would look like this: Jasper for Bradley, Harris for Meeks, Legion for Crawford, Stevenson for Carter and Stewart for Patterson. This team would have the following characteristics:
- Good perimeter shooting
- Best interior size
- Good rebounding
- Fair running team
- Good free-throw shooting
- Fair perimeter size
- Fair passing
- Good perimeter defense
- Fair interior defense
Option 2, actually one I consider somewhat more likely, would assume Carter is unavailable, and replace him in the lineup with Stevenson. It would look like this:
| # | Name | Pos. | Yr. | Ht./Wt. | Option 2 |
| 3 | Ramel Bradley | G | Sr. | 6'2"/199# | 1 |
| 21 | Perry Stevenson | F | So. | 6'9"/192# | 5 |
| 23 | Jodie Meeks | G | So. | 6'4"/212# | 2 |
| 32 | Joe Crawford | G | Sr. | 6'5"/221# | 3 |
| 54 | Patrick Patterson | F | Fr. | 6'9"/219# | 4 |
This lineup, in my opinion, is substantially more likely than Option 1. The backups would be DJ for Bradley, Legion for Meeks, Harris for Crawford, Stewart for Stevenson and either Harris or DJ for Patterson, assuming that Williams or Coury isn't a better option. If we rotate in guards the team would have the following characteristics:
- Excellent perimeter shooting
- Best perimeter defense
- Good interior size
- Best interior defense
- Good passing
- Best running team
- Best free throw shooting
- Good perimeter defense
- Fair perimeter size
Obviously, there are other permutations on this that could be considered, but these two seem the most likely at the moment. It is possible, but not likely, that either Ramel or Crawford would not start. It is also possible and somewhat more likely that Jasper or Legion could wind up in the starting lineup, but I am doubtful about the former and very doubtful about the latter.
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Good stuff as usual Tru...
Kind of the same thing Gator fans are accused of, just opposite sports.
by Gatorpilot on Aug 28, 2007 1:43 PM EDT 0 recs
Thanks, GP ...
Especially this year, after having two utterly forgettable years in a row and getting our second really good recruiting class in a row, we are anxious to get into the season. We are also anxious to find out how Gillispie is going to do.
I'm sure you guys felt the same way when Urban Meyer came on board.
by Truzenzuzex on
Aug 28, 2007 1:51 PM EDT
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Maybe I'm Wrong But ...
by giddyupwcb on Aug 28, 2007 2:52 PM EDT 0 recs
Yes ...
It is certainly a possibility that Jasper will beat Meeks out for the starting spot, or that Jasper will start in place of Stevenson. My figuring is that Meeks will provide a little more offensive firepower than Jasper will.
But Jasper could wind up the choice because of his defense, so just because Meeks got my nod doesn't mean Gillispie will agree.
by Truzenzuzex on
Aug 28, 2007 3:19 PM EDT
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Now Truz..
by Catfan on
Aug 28, 2007 4:24 PM EDT
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heh heh...
And I would like to thank the blog for throwing us all basketball people a bone! I know we're supposed to be all rah-rah about our football team this year--and I certainly do hope we do well 'cause that's my team and everything--but being a true Kentucky girl, I'm all about the roundball, even in August. I'm afraid I'm kind of blah about the football, and was afraid it might turn into a 24-7 football-a-thon around here until October or November. So, thanks for allieving my worries!
by blue kentucky girl on
Aug 28, 2007 5:04 PM EDT
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Re: blue kentucky girl
I love talking football, but a basketball fix in August is welcome.
by Ken Howlett on
Aug 28, 2007 11:49 PM EDT
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my faux pax
Oh, are we? Ah, man. Okay, I'll do my best : )
Do we all also need to get rah-rah about Kentucky women's basketball, track and field, baseball, shot put, gymnastics, the rifle team, cheerleading, the debate team....that's honestly my only problem with the fact that some people get all offended about my lackluster UK football support. Not that you were all offended, Ken--you were perfectly friendly and just supporting your team. But SOME people act like it's just awful that I can't get up for UK football, when obviously we ALL all are choosing the sports and teams we that follow. I just happen to be very, very selective...so selective that it's just the one.
And how ironic that here I am moaning for more basketball talk and yet I myself am talking about...not-basketball. Sorry, please proceed.
by blue kentucky girl on
Aug 29, 2007 11:08 AM EDT
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Re: blue kentucky girl
by Ken Howlett on
Aug 29, 2007 9:59 PM EDT
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I'm not going to stop covering ...
No matter how good we are at football, Kentucky is not going to turn into a football state. It just isn't.
And as far as Jasper is concerned, I think last year was more of an anomaly than what we will see from now on. I don't think he is ever going to average 20 points, but I think 10 or so is very realistic.
by Truzenzuzex on
Aug 29, 2007 6:37 AM EDT
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huh
He played poorly because his shot sucks and everyone layed off of him daring him to shoot the ball. I like Jasper a lot and am anxious to see how well he plays this season. I dont think he cracks the staring lineup though.
by davw83 on Aug 28, 2007 3:12 PM EDT 0 recs
Impossible task
I can't wait to see though!
by sylvar on Aug 28, 2007 3:29 PM EDT 0 recs
Jodie Meeks, Patrick Patterson
by UK44 on Aug 28, 2007 3:30 PM EDT 0 recs
4 Guards
While a 2G, 2F, C line up is the "traditional" approach; I'm of the opinion that our relatively bare cupboard leaves us squarely in the non-tradional line-up camp.
I could easily see Jasper playing a "Point Forward" role. He's certainly big enough to be considered a smallish forward.
by chirop1 on Aug 28, 2007 3:41 PM EDT 0 recs
I think lineup #2 is what we should expect.
However, far too early to know if this will be a good, much less excellent perimeter shooting team. Given how poorly Crawford and Bradley shot the ball last year, we should not get our hopes up. However, given Meeks is on the rise and Legion brings additional competition, we can expect improvement.
I hope they shoot well, because Patterson has his hands full. I hope BG is working on his guards rebounding skills.
by Catfan on Aug 28, 2007 4:20 PM EDT 0 recs
Well ...
Name all FG 3-point
J. Crawford 179-401 44.6% 63-180 35.0%
R. Bradley 141-336 42.0% 69-188 36.7%
J. Meeks 95-227 41.9% 44-121 36.4%
If these numbers are "poor", you and I are from different planets. I think all three are capable of significantly better, and if that's what you're saying, then we are in agreement.
I really think the big difference is that last year, we were forced, as much by Morris' inability to run the floor and the need to keep him from getting too tired as anything else, to play to a bit of a rigid, half-court style. We had to keep Morris in there for rebounding and a low post threat, because without him, we had no low post threat at all.
Defensively, we weren't nearly as good against quality competition as we needed to be.
Patterson doesn't have 260# to chug around with him, so that shouldn't be as much of an issue with him. Not only that, Patterson has a totally different mentality from Morris. Where Morris seemed passive and somewhat remote, and would pout when he didn't get a pass after working for position, Patterson is tireless and relentless.
Plus, we have much more bench depth this year and people who can get their own shot if need be, even if it is considerably smaller.
by Truzenzuzex on
Aug 29, 2007 6:52 AM EDT
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maybe I should have said
Maybe my perception of poor comes from expectations. I do not believe expecting Crawford, the 5 star superstar, starter, designated "shooter", to shoot 40% maybe 45% from behind the arc was unrealistic.
HOWEVER, I believe this year will be different. I have to believe Crawford realizes this season will define his career. He has competition for playing time from Meeks and Legion. If he has a shot of a pro career (uhm, not NBA but maybe in Europe) he has to rise to the occasion this season. With new life from Billy G., I believe he will do it. I believe this is the season Crawford performs at more than an average level.
by Catfan on
Aug 29, 2007 8:15 AM EDT
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Yeah ...
Not really sure what happened to all that aggressiveness, but he hasn't really showed that same capability on the college level. He's still a good player, but comparing Magoni's insights to what we have seen, you might think he was talking about somebody else.
Crawford has never really been the same since he banged up his knee back during his first season. His explosiveness hasn't been there, and I think that's part of the problem. Word on the street is that he is continuing to have knee problems, but we can all hope it gets better.
He started using his size and athleticism more toward the end of last season, but the problem was, he would try to do it every play and force it, rather than taking advantage of opportunities. The biggest knock I have on Crawford is that his basketball IQ just isn't where it should be.
by Truzenzuzex on
Aug 29, 2007 8:52 AM EDT
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Meeks
I dont think we will see much of a "traditional line up with Billy G at the helm at any time in his coaching tenure. I have heard he favors 3 guards 2 big forwards rather than 2guards 2 forwards and a center.
by davw83 on Aug 28, 2007 5:00 PM EDT 0 recs
I should have said
by Catfan on
Aug 28, 2007 5:45 PM EDT
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Agree
by davw83 on Aug 28, 2007 7:30 PM EDT 0 recs
Shooting Perspective
Crawford: 2's-52%, 3's-35%
Bradley: 2's-49.1%, 3's-36.7%
Meeks: 2's-48.1%, 3's-36.4%
The problem last year was not shooting. The problems were an excessive amount of turnovers, and an inability to offensive rebound. UK gave up, over the course of the year, 150+ possessions due to their deficiencies in the above mentioned areas.
These problems stem from not having a true power forward, a freshmen point guard, as well as a true 2, trying to play point. In Jaspers defense, he was hurt most of the latter part of the year, and like a trooper, he tried to play through the pain, but there is simply no doubt he was adversely effected.
The '07-'08 edition of the 'Cats will be well served by valuing the damn ball, and crashing the boards like there is no tomorrow. If they execute these two, rather elementary parts of the game, they will have an excellent season.
by Ken Howlett on Aug 28, 2007 10:55 PM EDT 0 recs
I think this is mostly ...
The major problem was not having a power forward, in my opinion, although that was a problem. The problem was, in order to keep Morris from falling down from fatigue, we had to play a half-court style.
Because he was so critical to the offense and to our rebounding, and we had virtually zero depth at his position, he had to play 28 minutes per game. We actually needed him more like 35 out of Randy, but his tendency to grab when he got tired forced us to take him out before he fouled out.
We are much better this year. Even though we still have no appreciable depth in the front court, we have lots more in the back court, which gives us some nice options when it comes to a fast, 4-guard lineup that we didn't have last year.
by Truzenzuzex on
Aug 29, 2007 7:01 AM EDT
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Power Forward
I do agree with you on your take on Morris. A strong argument can be made though, regarding Woo's effectiveness. I thought he brought a ton of positive energy while contributing both in the scoring column, and rebounding. His points and rebounds per minute played were both excellent.
Fans don't give him enough credit for his contributions. But, hey, what's new.
by Ken Howlett on
Aug 29, 2007 9:42 AM EDT
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Well, I didn't exactly say ...
And I think you are exactly right about Woo. He did bring a lot of energy, and I really enjoyed how he played. I wish we had him for one more year, to be honest.
by Truzenzuzex on
Aug 29, 2007 11:09 AM EDT
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I'll be damned... (shooting %s)
Until I saw those numbers, I certainly would have agreed with Catfan when he said "Given how poorly Crawford and Bradley shot the ball last year."
And if you had told me that Crawford shot 52% from two and hit one out of three from beyond the arc, I would have told you to shut up and go home. But since I've now seen it on the internet; and we all know that everything on the internet is true ;-) I guess I'll have to reevaluate it.
Very interesting. Like I said, perception is everything and maybe I was just caught up in overwhelming pessimism but it sure seemed like there were some horrible shooters in there. I can't even begin to express how surprised I am. Next thing you know, someone will produce a stat that shows despite all our other perceptions, Morris was actually in position in the post early in the shot clock over half the time! Wouldn't that just send me for a loop!!??!!
by chirop1 on Aug 29, 2007 7:47 AM EDT 0 recs
Chirop, don't let stats fool you.
Second, Crawford didn't show up, especially his shot in most big games. After shooting well in two losses agianst UCLA and Memphis, from behind the arc Crawford was 0-5 against UNC, 0-3 against Indiana, 0-3 against Louisville. In two games agains Florida he went 0-11.
Crawfords stats were helped with good shooting in games in the middle of the season when he went on a tear against Ole Miss, Auburn, Miss St, S. Car, Vandy, GA, UT and and Arkansas.
Maybe the best way to summ up Crawford last season is that he was money against average competition but failed to perform in the big game. That is troubling.
However, like I posted before. I truly believe Crawford will be a different player this season. I expect big game performances and I expect him to be money on open looks.
by Catfan on
Aug 29, 2007 8:27 AM EDT
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I'm not even going ...
12.Bradley, Ramel-UK........ JR 34 69 188 .367
He was only .001 behind JaJuan Smith of UT and significantly better than Shan Foster of Vanderbilt, who's line looked like this:
14.Foster, Shan-VU.......... JR 34 74 214 .346
This is conference play only, of course, but it still illustrates my point. It might also surprise you to know where Crawford was in conference scoring:
9.Byars, Derrick-VU........ SR 34 206 451 .457
10.Smith, JaJuan-UT......... JR 35 183 402 .455
11.Foster, Shan-VU.......... JR 34 191 425 .449
12.Crawford, Joe-UK......... JR 34 178 401 .444
So, at least in conference play, Crawford and Bradley were among the leaders. Overall, they were a little worse, but "average" isn't really fair. They were good, both of them. Not good enough, maybe, and arguably worse than their ability and hype would suggest, but let's not let perception overwhelm reality.
The overall perception of last season really does look worse, in retrospect, than many of the actual statistics indicate. Chalk it up to expectations, but just as we have to face the fact that Crawford and maybe even Bradley haven't lived up to ours, they certainly haven't been average, especially when compared to the rest of the SEC.
by Truzenzuzex on
Aug 29, 2007 9:08 AM EDT
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OOps...
by Truzenzuzex on
Aug 29, 2007 9:14 AM EDT
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It is
Joe Crawford last season (3pt shots):
0-3 against IU
0-3 against Loiusville
0-5 against UNC
0-11 against Florida
Again, capable of good performances against average competition. But in big games, the biggest UK games, he didn't show up. I am UK homer too and I want Joe to have a spectacular season in 07-08. I admire him for sticking it out at UK. But I am not going to distort his past performance or coddle the guy.
by Catfan on
Aug 29, 2007 9:28 AM EDT
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Just in case
by Catfan on
Aug 29, 2007 9:31 AM EDT
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0-11
by UKWildCatFanatic on
Aug 29, 2007 10:40 AM EDT
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my mistake
so really tru didn't do anything convenient, he didn't cherry pick, and didn't distort his past performance. that said, i would agree that crawford was inconsistent and he did struggle against some of the big time teams (he did play well against UCLA and Memphis...you seemed to have left those out).
by UKWildCatFanatic on
Aug 29, 2007 10:51 AM EDT
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No
Tru certainly cherry picked the shooting stats; but it doesn't matter, coddling is a way of life on this message board.
by Catfan on
Aug 29, 2007 11:46 AM EDT
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you're right
by UKWildCatFanatic on
Aug 29, 2007 12:01 PM EDT
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cherry picking
by UKWildCatFanatic on
Aug 29, 2007 12:02 PM EDT
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wrong
OK, Crawford against OOC ranked teams on the road: 0% from 3 point line.
by Catfan on
Aug 29, 2007 4:50 PM EDT
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take another look
you've got to admit that you were wrong this time and tru didn't cherry pick.
speaking of cherry picking...you have crawford's line out of conference (1), against ranked teams (2), and on the road(3). That's three filters you put his stats through just so you could prove your point. aren't you being so "objective" to the point of being anti-crawford (yes, i know you think he'll be good this year). so i went back to ESPN to check your stat about Crawford shooting 0% from beyond the arc against OOC ranked teams on the road. you were right...but your criteria only fits one game (UNC). my source for that: http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncb/teamsched?teamId=96&seasonYear=2007
we did have to games against OOC ranked teams on neutral ground (UCLA and Memphis in Hawaii). I'll just use 3-pt percentage since you did and the total for those three games is 37.5% (6-16).
by UKWildCatFanatic on
Aug 29, 2007 6:29 PM EDT
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My god...
Your enthusiasm and support of UK and Crawford is appreciated. I am sure you are a great loyal fan. However, last year's 0-22 shooting from beyond the arc in the 5 biggest games of the year summarizes Joe's season and career at UK; failed to live up to the expectations and failed to show up for big games. He shot 35% from 3 point land last year and that is hardly impressive. I think this season will be different though.
by Catfan on
Aug 29, 2007 8:22 PM EDT
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what?
second, i was stating tru's numbers which you said were only conference stats. not that tru asked me to do this, or needs me to, but i saw you were wrong, and i just wanted to let you know. what a surprise that you've completely ignored this fact.
look, i agree with you about crawford. he came in with a lot of expectations and i thought this last season he would break through. he hasn't lived up to them. i hope this season goes well for him and the team too.
by UKWildCatFanatic on
Aug 29, 2007 9:01 PM EDT
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Maybe you
by Catfan on
Aug 29, 2007 9:10 PM EDT
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what i should do
by UKWildCatFanatic on
Aug 29, 2007 10:13 PM EDT
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You were wrong about what I said.
by Catfan on
Aug 30, 2007 7:06 AM EDT
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yeah, not really
just saying you're right and i'm wrong doesn't actually make it so. i backed my comments with actual sources. you're free to do the same. if you can show me that those numbers you said are from conf. play, i'll admit i was wrong.
by UKWildCatFanatic on
Aug 30, 2007 9:41 AM EDT
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Once again
by Catfan on
Aug 30, 2007 11:12 AM EDT
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seriously
by UKWildCatFanatic on
Aug 30, 2007 11:22 AM EDT
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You leave me speechless..
by Catfan on
Aug 30, 2007 2:18 PM EDT
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I don't need ...
Crawford had good moments and bad, and four poor shooting games do not condemn his season to the trash heap. We can agree to disagree without being disagreeable, I hope.
by Truzenzuzex on
Aug 29, 2007 11:05 AM EDT
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5 miserable shooting games..
Again, I think he rises to the occasion this season.
by Catfan on
Aug 29, 2007 11:44 AM EDT
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Big surprise...
by Catfan on
Aug 29, 2007 4:48 PM EDT
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Don't you think that just maybe ...
by Truzenzuzex on
Aug 29, 2007 5:20 PM EDT
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Stats
by Ken Howlett on
Aug 29, 2007 9:33 AM EDT
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Your perception is correct.
Joe Crawford last season (3pt shots):
0-3 against IU
0-3 against Loiusville
0-5 against UNC
0-11 against Florida
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0-22 in the 5 most important regular season games
BUT, let's hope for a great 2007/2008 season where he rises to the occasion and becomes and elite SEC player! I think he will.
by Catfan on
Aug 29, 2007 9:37 AM EDT
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