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Yesterday's SEC Teleconference: Gillispie under fire

It's kind of funny how some sportswriters have a certain predictable focus about them.  Jerry Tiption of the Lexington Herald-Leader is such a writer.

Today, Jerry has an article that demonstrates his focus perfectly -- Jerry is an unrepentant UK scold, and every article he writes has a way of accentuating the negative and downplaying the positive.  I have seen many comments on here noting this as well, so I know I'm not the only one who notices.

But now that I have buried Jerry, let me praise him.  His article today about the SEC Basketball coach's summer teleconference of yesterday is right on the dot, not because of its negative tone, but quite frankly, because he is reporting it accurately.  The SEC coaches as a group were very negative toward the recruiting of younger players, and even though few of the media outlets noted it, this was implicit criticism directed squarely at the new University of Kentucky basketball coach.  Tipton's article accurately reflects this implicit, and even semi-direct, criticism.

Bruce Pearl, in particular, took several shots directly at Gillispie which no one seemed to notice.  The first one was this:

"The more information I have, the better decisions I make," Tennessee Coach Bruce Pearl said. "I need to see the kid play a lot.

"But by the time I'm done deciding (on the merits of a prospect), the player may have committed."

Yeah Bruce, well, "Duh!".  If everyone could just wait until the recruits are seniors to begin actually recruiting them, this conversation wouldn't be happening.  Every coach would prefer to watch more games before offering a scholarship.  Folks, this is criticism concealed as self-deprecating humor.  Pearl went on to say this about Kentucky's loss of Morris and successful recruiting for 2007:

"If you could take Patrick Patterson, Alex Legion and an eighth-grader to be named later, I would say it's a good trade for Randolph Morris," Pearl said. "That's how much I think of Patrick Patterson and Legion and what a great start Billy is off to already." [Emphasis mine]

Once again, criticism couched in humor, disguised as praise.  Gillispie has offered no eighth-graders, and Pearl knows it.  But he wants Gillispie (and the rest of the world savvy enough to pick up on it) that he doesn't like Gillispie's impact on the SEC so far, and he is feeling threatened by him.  He lets that leak a bit later, when he said that he "feels pressure" to recruit earlier and earlier, but that "I'd prefer my focus as a college coach emphasize that a sophomore be committed to his 10th-grade year and doing well in geometry class."  Once more, a not-so-subtle dig at Gillispie.

If you are getting the impression I don't like Bruce Pearl, you are completely correct.  I loathe him as much as any coach in the game.  I'm sure many of you will remember JL's post on the subject, but let me remind you of some comments Pearl and his wife Kim made to Milwaukee Magazine back when he was coach at UW-Milwaukee (note - the link has been removed and the article is no longer available, but this part is memorialized on my machine):

And so it was that the Jewish coach's road to redemption would begin in Evansville, Indiana, on the banks of the Ohio River, where scarcely a synagogue could be found.

"It was South," says Pearl. "Shit, it was a little too close to Kentucky."

"It was way too close to Kentucky," says Kim [Pearl]. "I didn't care for it. It was a little too red neck. Very red neck.... My kids were the only Jews in their school. So when we had Jewish holidays, they had to go to school because school wasn't closed."

Those comments weren't just an insult -- they were mean-spirited racialism and frankly, tantamount to fighting words.  They day he recants that bile, I will forgive and forget.  Until then, like the Fremen in Dune, "Never to forgive.  Never to forget."  I will grant that it is possible I am wrong about Pearl's intentions, because so much is lost in the translation over the telephone.  But for my money, Pearl is a jerk, and this is just one more reason for me to continue to dislike him.

But Pearl wasn't the only SEC head coach to attack Gillispie's youth movement.  Dave Odom of South Carolina, a man I do respect, said "I don't want my coaches involved in that type of recruiting."  Fine, Dave, I can understand that sentiment.  But unless the NCAA acts, this is the wave of the future, and you are already in enough trouble with the Gamecock faithful as it is.  I'm not sure that is a position you can afford to take if you care about remaining in Columbia.

So there you have it - my comments on the SEC teleconference.  Most of the rest was predictable fluff, but I am surprised nobody but Tipton has so far noticed how surprisingly confrontational this teleconference was.  The only person to keep well within the bounds of decorum was Billy Donovan, and to his credit, he didn't dodge questions about his off-season adventures.  But Donovan said remarkably little, and it was noted by the press that he has generally been dodging the media since the Orlando debacle.  I am not criticizing that, it may be the best thing to do right now.  Just another observation.

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I heard yesterday from my wife that the other coaches were criticizing G (that what Im now refering to Billy G as) for his early commitments.

I think all coaches would agree that recruiting is getting out of hand but Billy G is doing what he must to make the program successfull. If you asked him and got a straight up answer I think he eould prefer to wait until kids are seniors to offer them but you just cant do that and expect to get kids these days.

These problems in recruiting have been a national issue for several years now but you dont see the SEC coaches speaking out about it until Billy G comes in and threatens them. Oh yes, they are feeling threatened and they should be because they know in a couple years we are going to be dominating the SEC again and kicking those a**'s for them. All it is is them trying to discredit G and cause him to lose players. Expect things to get ugly in the next couple of years.

by davw83 on Jul 17, 2007 9:43 AM EDT   0 recs

Relentless
In my opinion, the other coaches in the league are witnessing what the future looks like, and they don't like it. CBG has shown the work ethic that the vast majority of the other coaches in the league (other than maybe Donovan) don't wish to subscribe to (see the previous UK leader).  In all honesty, how many text messages do we all think Dave Odom has sent?  It seems that Coach G has shaken up their nice little comfortable league structure where the young, brash Donovan does his thing, then the rest of the coaches are all at about the same level, operating at about the same pace.  What that got us was UK being drug down the level of the rest of the league.

Its a new day, fellas, and it's making some of the old guard a bit restless.

....and by the way, Bruce Pearl is a J@#K%SS!!

by pattyscats on Jul 17, 2007 10:02 AM EDT   0 recs

Misgivings ...
I will admit I am torn.

I don't think that Gillispie is doing anything untoward, certainly not illegal. But having a coach that pushes the envelope -- thousands of text messages, recruiting from the 4th grade -- is a real change from the prior administration.

Yes, the results appear to be categorically better as well, and therein lies my nervousness.

One thing I always liked about Tubby Smith was the assurance that he was above board. Never even had to worry at all, and that made me proud. I vehemently protested folks mentioning Calipari to UK, on the grounds that the combination could prove lethal to UK in the long run.

Gillispie is playing by the rules, for now. He's using every tool he can, to the max he can. And I would not for a second scold him for doing so.

But it's a strange feeling to have Kentucky seem to be returning to "Evil Empire" status after "Benign Republic" for the better part of the last decade.

I'm sure a few 30-win seasons and top 5 recruiting classes will make me forget my goodie two-shoes reservations.

I mean, honestly, we had a squeaky clean, African-American coach for ten years, and we're still regarded as racist, big-time bully Kentucky ... why not be the evil empire?

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by JL Blue on Jul 17, 2007 10:27 AM EDT   0 recs

Man ...
that is a great comment.

I have had some of the same echoes of misgivings, for all the reasons you state.

But as long as Gillispie doesn't retreat into unethical behavior, I am all for hustle and pushing the envelope a bit.  I mean, it isn't as though he is offering scholarships to middle school kids like ... ahem ... some coaches I could mention.

I've always kind of liked the sentiment, "Everyone thinks I'm bad, so I might as well be bad."  It's foolish, I know, but we all have our dark side ...

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 17, 2007 11:05 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

We will never know...
...what the files on future kids looked like and just how far back we were. He could have gotten here and dropped a load when he really saw what our "sales pipeline" looked like on future kids.

He may be using all his might and abilities to get a pipeline started. His statement (that he backed away from) says TONS! Something like getting GJ to commit was to get a buzz. Well, it did. The only buzz we have been living with for a few years was a fishy fax, Tubby doesn't mesh with MickyD's and when will he be gone. Hey Bruce, THAT is the killer trade we made and you hate it.

I'll bet G-Dawg will slow down on the babies when we get back up to the top. Until then I am ready to see this year's BeeGees get rolling.

by wilson452 on Jul 17, 2007 11:07 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dang Straight, JL...
"I mean, honestly, we had a squeaky clean, African-American coach for ten years, and we're still regarded as racist, big-time bully Kentucky ... why not be the evil empire?"

You can be all nicey-nice with your competitors for as long as you can tolerate it, but as soon as they feel threatened or you upset them---- they're going to resort to the same "hatin'" on you that they did before the truce was called.

The UK fanbase is still the UK fanbase, and the Commonwealth of Kentucky still is the Commonwealth of Kentucky.  If a rival coach, fan, player or media member decides to do so, you can bet your a-double-s that they'll continue to bring up anything they can to get a rile out of you (true or not) and will ultimately still prove that they've hated you all along.  Just look at the USA and Russia...

If I remember correctly, when Pitino came into UK the other rival coaches from SEC schools also took thinly veiled shots at him as well about the fast pace, the press and all the 3-pointers.  Because they knew that Ricky P. + UK = BIG trouble for them, their team, their W/L record and possibly their jobs.  Now with Billy G., it's happening again and the coaches are sounding their distress signals already and he hasn't even coached a game yet.

by vickster3 on Jul 18, 2007 2:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Evil Empire
More people are afraid of the evil empire than the benign republic and opponents who would be more than willing to invade the republic would run and hide from the empire. I say we skate as close to the dark side as we can without actually going over.

by davw83 on Jul 17, 2007 10:48 AM EDT   0 recs

GO BILLY GO...
He is off to the kind of "put 'em on their heels" start we needed. I have said many times that all of these same coaches professed love for Tubby and now I am sure it is because they could finally smell us and had us in their sights. They got closer every single day.

NOW, the traction they had made in the past several years has faded in a matter of 4 months, 2 high-profile signings, omnipresent recruiting and a "buzz" making 9th grader.

This call sounded more like the Fancy Farm Picnic than a coach's call.

by wilson452 on Jul 17, 2007 10:49 AM EDT   0 recs

Hold on a second...
Certainly everyone is entitled to their opinion.  I wouldn't begrudge that of anyone.

However, Bruce Pearl was nothing but a class act in Evansville.  If he felt this way, he certainly didn't let on in any way.  As a matter of fact, I would suspect they were a bit out of context.

His legacy is long established at USI and the University of Evansville was insane to not get rid of Jim Crews earlier and offer Pearl the job.  And frankly, it's the enthusiasm that he attacks his job with that is most endearing/offending trait.  

It would not be a stetch to expect a similar perspective on BCG in the near future.  

by bourbonseeker on Jul 17, 2007 10:55 AM EDT   0 recs

With all due respect ...
there is no way that those types of comments can be taken out of context.  None.

I read that article in it's entirety, and if the magazine got it wrong, Pearl certainly never objected, and to my knowledge, has never offered any explanation, qualification or clarification to them.

I am not calling his coaching credentials into question -- he is clearly a fine coach and has won everywhere he has been.  But my perception of him is colored through the lens of these comments.  I am quite sure there are lots of apologists out there who will tell me that I am wrong, but surely all Pearl has to do to make it better is address them.

Till he does, he is a jerk in my eyes, and far from being a class act.  His behavior earlier this summer getting thrown out of a high school game just makes the bad stuff easier for me to believe.

Leitch at Deadspin and I are brothers in loathing of Bruce and his ignorant crap.  He provides lots more reasons for me to abhor Brucie, and I embrace them with glee.

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 17, 2007 11:22 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

pearl
he may have been a class act at USI, but he certainly wasn't at Iowa when he was an assistant. No one who's a fan of the University of Illinois basketball team can stand him at all (I'm an U of I alum). It all has to do with him secretly taping conversations with recruits. You can find out more here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Pearl#The_Pearl.2FThomas_incident
GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on Jul 17, 2007 11:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

leitch
tru's link above to deadspin contains this link on the deon thomas situation.

http://www.blacktable.com/leitch050316.htm

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by UKWildCatFanatic on Jul 17, 2007 11:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Deon Thomas...
I know exactly what happened with the UI kid. Fact of the matter is, Jimmy Collins got exactly what he deserved.  He's no saint in the matter either.

Frankly, I don't think a UI alum or former editor of the Daily Illini is in an unbiased position relative to Pearl (regardless of how funny Deadspin is).

Further, I think painting one as an apologist suggests that I'm making excuses for the guy.  The general perspective on the guy from a personal standpoint (not a "PR face") is that he has a tremendous heart.  

by bourbonseeker on Jul 18, 2007 3:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

thomas
i'm not sure why you brought jimmy collins into this, but it has nothing to do with this. opinions on collins has no bearing on pearl.

obviously leitch is not going to be objective, but bias doesn't matter if he's right about pearl(i'm not saying he is or isn't).

in your first comment, regarding Pearl's words, you said you "would suspect they were a bit out of context." This sounds like you haven't read them in context. I would read the whole thing before making that assumption. But in what context would that not piss off anyone from Kentucky?

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by UKWildCatFanatic on Jul 18, 2007 5:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Pearl
bourbon- Your comment is absent any substantive effort to paint Pearl in a better light. Simply writing that you believe he's a good guy doesn't diminish the existing evidence to the contrary. Just because Collins is not clean in that whole torrid mess in the late '80's, doesn't mean Pearl isn't a rat for surreptitiously recording a conversation with a high school kid he wasn't good enough to sign.

Justify a major college basketball coach being thrown out of a high school game in which said coach is recruiting one of the players in the game. Classic bad acting.

If your looking to be placated for your stance on Pearl, your'e in the wrong place. With all due respect.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 18, 2007 5:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Placated?
With all due respect, I'm not looking to be placated.  Frankly, I'm comfortable with my opinion of him, even if few others happen to be of theirs.

I also think it's a mistake to suggest he went after this mess due to the fact that he "wasn't good enough to sign" Deon Thomas.  His recruiting prowess as an assistant at Iowa, head coach at UWM and UT is highly regarded.  

And, yes, Leitch and others personal bias is often reflected in their writing.

by bourbonseeker on Jul 24, 2007 10:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Pearl

Watching Pearl over the years, I strongly suspect that he is definitely a jerk...a jerk who has the ability to play a nice PR face but a jerk nonetheless.

He and UT are odd partners......when it goes south, it will be loud and ugly

by run and gun on Jul 17, 2007 12:09 PM EDT   0 recs

Tend to agree...
...Pearl is an amazing coach, and motivator in the Pitino vein. But while the Tennessee job was a no brainer for him, you gotta think anything like a Final Four season will have him looking to head back to colder pastures, maybe A Big East job like St. Johns or some such.

And this: "when it goes south, it will be loud and ugly" ...

...is very true.

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by JL Blue on Jul 17, 2007 1:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

UT and basketball

There's something in the water in Knoxville when it comes to UT and basketball.......at least since Wade Houston left.  I'd bet that if you injected Kevin O'Neill, Jerry Green and Buzz Peterson with truth serum, you'd hear some odd stories.

by run and gun on Jul 17, 2007 2:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A couple of things...
  1.  You gotta love a UK blog complete with Dune references.  ;)
  2.  Why the hell have I not heard all of this stuff on Pearl before?  The southern comments are bad enough (and last I checked my geography book... TN was further south than KY.  Wonder how many Jewish kids are in their community there?) but then he gets thrown out of a high school basketball game?????  I'm pretty sure that if it was anyone other than the media darling Pearl (going painted shirtless = much SportsCenter love) I would have seen it plastered all over ESPN.

by chirop1 on Jul 17, 2007 1:53 PM EDT   0 recs

I committed ...
Dune to memory when I was but a boy.

I have been hearing this Pearl stuff for quite a while.  There were several threads over on TCP about him back last year about this time, and the "thrown out of games" stuff was there too, as well as on other fan sites like Wildcat Maniacs.

I guess the MSSM just never really picked it up.

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 17, 2007 2:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

pearl
I never knew about the Jewish comments but I thought the he had been thrown out of games at least a couple of times. I recall those stories surfacing last year.

by davw83 on Jul 17, 2007 2:16 PM EDT   0 recs

Sore losers....
all of them, I'm surprised Roy W and Coach K didn't teleconference in on that one. I love being the stye in someone else's eye, but I do see a bit of a problem with this.

I know, I know, I said my peace on this before. Deep down inside, you all know that there is something a little improper about asking a juvenile to commit 4 years of his life to something he is still so far away from. This is merely a tactic meant to stiff arm the other coaches early, and give Billy G. the first choice at the early favorites. You gotta hand it to the BCG though, he sure doesn't mind jumping in headfirst and making waves; that sure isn't small town mentality!

I will admit, that there is nothing binding either of the parties to the agreement. Also, if they(recruits) are serious about the agreement, then that actually alleviates pressure from their lives insofaras recruiting and schoolwork. This is really the only thing refraining the NCAA and others from gaining the momentum necessary for action.

by blueblood on Jul 17, 2007 2:28 PM EDT   0 recs

Bluebood
I liked your point about the recruits. If the early commits really are serious about coming to UK they can now relax and not worry if their development slows a little becuase they are secured a spot. It would look very bad for UK if their offers were to be pulled so you know that isnt going to happen. Now these kids dont have to worry about all the recruiting and can focus solely on their games.

I dont think this justifies or excuses the early commitment problem but in some case I do think this could be a positive of the issue.

by davw83 on Jul 17, 2007 2:37 PM EDT   0 recs

Early recruits
I think we can all agree that in a perfect world, recruiting would start when they hit the summer before their senior year.

Unfortunately, in the real world of W's and L's look at all the criticism Tubby took for his (seemingly) lackadaisical approach to recruiting.  If a coach wants to keep his job, he needs to hit the recruiting trail early and often.  Early bird... worm... and all that jazz.

Until the mighty and wise heads in Indianapolis decide to change the rules on early commits... this is the new reality of college athletics.

by chirop1 on Jul 17, 2007 2:47 PM EDT   0 recs

Pearls Pearl
Honestly, I laughed when I read his comments from the SEC Teleconference. The Beast has been awakened and he knows it. Other coaches in the league realize a seismic shift is about to occurr, and they "be afraid, be very afraid".

I really don't give a rats a-- what Pearl says or thinks about UK or Kentuckians. Every time he opens his mouth, and spews such bile he reveals not only his ignorance, but also his fear. What I do not understand is the fact that as far as coaching, and recruiting, he has done a semi- masterful job. He shouldn't be fearful, unless his plan was to dominate the East Division.

Perhaps he is jealous some of the glowing media attention he has been receiving will be diverted to Gillispie, thus rendering him merely another coach unlucky enough to be at Tennessee. Where football will always rule the kingdom.

Perhaps he realizes when Lofton graduates he loses the goose that laid the golden egg. Leaving him with a nice team, but substantially less talented, ergo, less dangerous. He was relying on UK to still be in the reloading stage when the unfortunate departure of Mr. Lofton occurred. Thus giving him time to fall a-- backwards into another great player, ala ALSO Tyler Smith, which would allow him to continue to climb the ladder of credibility, leaving his inferiority complex behind.

Prediction: Pearl is akin to a falling star. Burning brightly, going a thousand miles per hour, only to fade into oblivion in a relatively short period of time.

Perhaps he will be eaten alive by his grotesque, obscenely loud orange blazer. One can always hope.
 

by Ken Howlett on Jul 17, 2007 2:54 PM EDT   0 recs

I love ...
this line:
Perhaps he will be eaten alive by his grotesque, obscenely loud orange blazer. One can always hope.

Verrrrry funny! :-)

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 17, 2007 5:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

One more thing.....
I'm getting really sick of the " redneck, ignorant, racist" monikers that seemed to be continually placed on the South. I personally have lived in several different parts of the US, and there is NOWHERE that I feel safer than any part of the south. I would honestly rather be in the "bad part" of Atlanta, than in the upscale part of any Northeastern or West Coast city.
I think that the most annoying part of this whole scenario is that the majority of the people who have this viewpoint have never even stepped one foot on "Southern" ground. How could they possible know anything about the "South".
I am absolutely, positively disgusted with these people. You might as well call it racism, or maybe we'll coin a new politically correct phrase - "regionism" or "culture hate". I hear it way too often on the radio and tv, negative references to different regions of the country that are so far off base that is obvious that these people have never spent any amount of time trying to understand the people that they are "attacking". That is true ignorance.

by blueblood on Jul 17, 2007 4:43 PM EDT   0 recs

the establishment
It seemed to me this was a concerted effort by the SEC establishment to bring Gillispie to heel, rein him in. I only hope that Coach has the self-confidence to see this for what it is and press ahead full speed. We all saw what being a nice guy, a class act, easy to make it with got UK with Tubby. A slow, painful decline into mediocrity.

by tim lavender on Jul 17, 2007 4:50 PM EDT   0 recs

I say ...
let 'em bitch and moan.  I love it when foes bitch and moan.

It's been a while since we irked anyone in the SEC.  Overdue, I say.

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 17, 2007 5:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Amen
I like hearing them like this. They're panicking because the Big Blue Beast is roaring once again! I don't care what they say off court, it's what happens on court that matters. They can trash talk all they want but if they can't back up their mouths when it's time to get things done, they won't be around much longer to complain.

by Carissa on Jul 17, 2007 5:18 PM EDT   0 recs

it's only been
a few months...what'll they all say when CBCG actually gets settled in and has been here a year or two?
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by UKWildCatFanatic on Jul 17, 2007 6:34 PM EDT   0 recs

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