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Kentucky at Houston -- Game Impressions

My impression of this game is that we came into Houston and got beat by a much better team, at least tonight.  From the very start, it was clear that the Cougars wanted this one more, and they absolutely earned it.  Congratulations to Houston on a well-played game, and our apologies for that hard foul by Crawford.  That isn't how we do it here in Kentucky.

So, to the Wildcats.  This looked like the game you play when life has gone wrong, and you are at the end of your rope.  Kentucky hung their heads almost from the opening tip.  Meeks provided some early energy, but the rest of the team looked very much like they had just returned from a friend's funeral.

As a Kentucky fan, I have seen this sort of despondency only once in Wildcat history -- Eddie Sutton's last season.  The sad fact is, if we don't get healthy and start playing better, the Cats could have an even worse record this year than the 13-19 debacle of 1988-89.

Joe Crawford played angry, and despite his scoring, played relatively poorly, especially on defense.  Oh, his offense was fine, but defensively, he repeatedly missed assignments and failed to switch on the pick and roll.  I lost count of open threes that resulted from that.  And he turned the ball over, and over, and over.

Ramel Bradley sat out the last 10 minutes or so of the second half, and I think I know why.  Mark Coury was wide open on a post up, and Bradley refused to throw him the ball twice when he had a short, easy pass from the wing, and wound up taking a challenged jumper while Coury stood there waiting to receive the pass.  The Houston guy figured out what was happening, and quit guarding Coury.  Immediately after that, Gillispie sat him down and never called his number again.  That kind of thing has no place in college basketball, and Gillispie was right to do what he did.

Michael Porter simply didn't have it tonight.  He stank.  The end.  Hopefully, games like that for him will get fewer, and games like Saturday will come around more often.

Ditto Ramon Harris.  He looked lost.  I lost count of the times he wound up missing an assignment and got a three shot in his face.

Jared Carter played surprisingly well.  Good for him.  Maybe he will move a few spots away from the bitter end of the bench.

Jodie Meeks did all he could do, and looked pretty good for a guy who has been off for 6 weeks.  But when the adrenalin wore off, so did his game.

Perry Stevenson continues to be unimpressive.  I really expected more from him, but he was a disappointment tonight.

I'm glad the Wildcats didn't totally give up and made a run at the end, but I can't feel good about it.

Houston is a pretty good basketball team.  Without Patterson, it seems that Kentucky is pretty bad.

I know many of us are feeling embarrassed and frustrated.  I know for sure I am.  But once again, I am reminded of the song by Rodney Atkins:

If you're going through hell
Keep on going, don't slow down
If you're scared, don't show it
You might get out
Before the devil even knows you're there

I would pretty much say what we are going through now, fanwise and teamwise, is hell.  It feels like hell to me, anyway.  But at this point, engaging in bitter recriminations makes no sense at all.  Instead, I think I'm just going to grit my teeth, force a smile, and prepare for the next contest.  Lather, rinse, repeat.  Sooner or later, something is likely to click, or we are going to get healthy.  But one way or the other, I guarantee we will have some occasions to cheer this year, even if they may be few and far between.

Finally, I am reminded of a scene from The Ten Commandments, and Cecil B. DeMille's narrative, which I shall adapt for both the team and the Big Blue fans:

In the mocking whisper of their opponents, Kentucky hears the echoing of voices in the darkness of defeat, their tortured minds wondering if they if they call the memory of past triumphs, or wail foreboding of disasters yet to come ... or whether the bitter heat of failure has melted their reason ... into madness.

They cannot cool the burning desire for victory in their souls, nor shade the scorching fury of their opponents scorn.  All about is desolation.

Learning that it can be more terrible to try than to fail, they are driven onward, ever onward, through the savage gauntlet of the season, where fans and teams are cleansed and purged for a great purpose.  Until at last, at the end of human sanity and strength, beaten into the very dust from whence they came, the metal is ready - for the Maker's hand.

Gillispie is now faced with the unenviable task of leading Kentucky out of the desert, for we are surely deep in a waterless wasteland basketballwise.  I wish him luck.  I will be there to help and cheer, just as I was tonight, as ugly and as horrible and as totally futile as it all was.  I will be there to whatever end.

I hope you will go with me.

Update [2007-12-19 13:14:44 by Truzenzuzex]:  Hey, we got a link from the Wall Street Journal's Daily Fix blog.  Cool.  Thanks, guys.  Welcome, Daily Fix readers, and have a look around.  We may not play basketball very well at Kentucky these days, but we can blog with the best of 'em.

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no chance
as soon as I heard Patterson was out I knew we had no chance.....This season is getting ridiculous

by spork on Dec 19, 2007 12:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

No Chance
Does anybody know when Patterson got hurt. I didn't hear.

Was it in the game day scrimmage by any chance?

by Bluegilla on Dec 19, 2007 10:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i believe
it was a practice over the weekend...i know i heard about it at least a day before the game.
GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on Dec 19, 2007 10:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tru's Take
I get tired of writing the same thing after one of your posts, excellent job.

Strangely, I feel less "bad" than you about tonights game. Clyde agrees with you on this point. He said he thought they took a step back for the first time in a few games.

I feel UK lost this game because of their lack of defensive rebounding, and TO's, which resulted from "too many leaderless possessions". (BCG)

UK shoots 50%, UH shoots 36%, but UK had only 6 offensive reb.'s to Houston's 16. UK committed 18 turnovers to Houston's 9. That's minus 19 in the possesion department. Not good.

As Tru noted, Carter had a nice game. 16 minutes, 6 pts, 4 reb, and 2 blocks. He was out of position on several offensive rebound opportunities, but some game time will help him trememdously, I feel. Hell, he's at your disposal, develop him. If Rob Locke can become an effective big man, then by gawd Carter is certainly capable. (For those in the younger set, Locke stunk, stunk, stunk, his first two years at UK, but had pretty solid jr, and sr years) Plus, what do they have to lose? They're 4-5. Carter could potentially make Patterson a nice playmate.

Stevenson only played 6 minutes. Crawford fed him a gorgeous pass from the baseline, which would have led to a layup, but Stevenson didn't make the catch. I don't think he played after that.

For the first time I heard Clyde be really hard on himself in the postgame tonight. He took responsibility for all of the on court problems
the team is enduring. I've heard hundreds of postgame shows, but it's always nice to hear a coach take full responsiblity for the shortcomings of his team. Some coaches wouldn't dream of admitting fault. Wink, wink look west.

Even if he didn't mean it, I liked him saying it. Everybody needs to work harder, and smarter. It is time sacrifice. Time, girlfriend, friends, socializing, whatever. The Craft Center is open to the players 24 hours a day.

If any players have given up, then I urge them to register their feelings with Clyde so he can move on to other options.

I don't think that is the problem though. I can't articulate why I feel that way, but I think the players are playing as hard as they can. Tonight though, I think I saw a little bit of a  defeatist "look" on the faces of some of the players. It's like, "what do we need to do to win?"

Confidence I feel is becoming a problem. I was afraid the waning confidence factor might rear its ugly head.

We all see why they lose. The reasons are fairly obvious I think. They may change slightly from game to game, but generally the same bugaboo is biting UK in the keister.

TO's and rebounding I feel are the main culprits. UK has too many turnovers, because they don't run their offense properly half the time, and they make too many boneheaded passes. This is where I think Jaspers return will have the most positive effect; simply running the damn offense. He sees the floor so well, and generally takes care of the ball. He's not thinking about shooting, he's thinking about distributing, which is what this team needs.

At one time tonight, UK was down 34-18 in rebounding. They only ended up losing the battle of the boards by 5, so they fought back, plus  Houston lost some of their intensity because Penders slowed them down at about the 7 minute mark.

I don't care how tall, fat, long, short, or skinny a player is, the very least he can do is be in good rebounding position. Charles Barkley, who is 6'4, led the NBA in rebounding multiple time. Desire and positioning. Now in UK's defense, there were an inordinate amount of long rebounds because of all the three's, but UK was beat down in the paint as it pertains to rebounding. As I noted, it got better in the second half, but by that time it was too late.

I know one thing. A person sure uses less words when discussing a victory.

If you're going through hell
Keep on going, don't slow down
If you're scared, don't show it
You might get out
Before the devil even knows you're there

Right on, Tru.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 19, 2007 1:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Some fire
Tru's analysis was spot-on in this case.

I liked the end of the game, actually.

The cats finally started to show a little bit of fire, especially Joe C.  If we could just translate "I don't want to get beat by 25 points" into "I don't want to get beat by 1 point" we'd be a good team.  We were actually getting defensive rebounds, of all things!  Not that I think Joe tunnel vision is a good offense to run, but if we could temper some of that with a bit of wisdom as to when to invoke it, Crawford would fulfill his potential.

Let's hope we can translate some of that fire into some execution, and the wins will follow.

These turnovers have got to go, and rebounds must come.  Those are killing us more than anything, IMHO.

My other thought:
What is up with the conditioning of this team?  What we need is a strength and conditioning coach that puts our players on a regimen that keeps them from injury.  There has to be someone who specializes in that???  Or maybe we're just having bad luck.  At least no one has blown an ACL since Derek Anderson that I can remember.  knock on wood

by EEWildcat on Dec 19, 2007 1:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Who can we beat?
I know we can't win 'em all, and I understand when we come up short against UNC or Indiana, but we're losing to mid-major teams.  We have the most wins in D-1 history, and we can't beat Houston??  What's going to happen when we play Florida, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, and Georgia?  This season is starting to look frightening.
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by MNBlue on Dec 19, 2007 1:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tonight
If I remember anything from my Animal Psychology class, it's learned helplessness. A dog gets shocked in his cage so often, he doesn't even react. That's how I feel now. Another loss to a nobody team, par for the course. I'll be shocked next time we win.

by GregJ on Dec 19, 2007 2:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Face it....
we have very little of the UK talent we are all used to.  We are not a lot better, even healthy, than some of the mid-majors...especially teams like Houston who could be in the top 25 if they continue playing like they have thus far this season.
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by MartinGolf9 on Dec 19, 2007 8:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
But, with this caveat.

When the gun is fully loaded, I feel they can be good.

The teams you mention are all much better than UK right now, I think.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 19, 2007 2:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

tourney
We're gonna end up having to win the SEC tourney to get in the big dance. Honestly I would rather sit out of postseason play than go to the NIT. Yes the air is nice up on my high horse. :)

I was hoping so much for a great game tonight but with PP out what can you expect. I still feel like when we have our big 3(DJ, PP, Meeks) back we can contend for the SEC.

by spork on Dec 19, 2007 3:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Joe
Apologies for Joes foul?  Give me a break!  He didn't hurt the guy and wasn't trying to.  What he did do was show them we were not going to be pushed around. For the last couple years this team has let other teams do that.  I am glad he fouled it was a foul that sparked a 10 -0 run!  Play with heart and fight like hell!  For crying out loud!

by patrijak on Dec 19, 2007 3:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree
Hard fouls are part of the game and no apologies are needed. I also liked BG's techical, this was a very poorly officiated game, not that it would've changed the outcome but did anyone notice how late all of the calls were. I mean I saw atleast a handfull where you could've counted one one thousand from the time the foul 'supposedly' happened and when the whistle blew.

by spork on Dec 19, 2007 3:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was actually ...
fine with Gillispie's tech.  I think Houston was getting away with a lot of things the whole game, and I think the tech helped focus his team and the officials.

I don't mind hard fouls, but I don't like chasing down a player and going after him when you have no chance of getting any ball.  Then, to start woofing and pushing afterward is bad sportsmanship.  We don't need that.

I actually thought Gillispie did pretty well coaching this game, and he needed to -- we were down in every way possible.  I haven't heard his post game comments yet, but I will.  I agree with you that the officials weren't at their best.

by Truzenzuzex on Dec 19, 2007 7:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Joe's foul
was cheap...   UK was getting blown out.  Joe, depsite his 28, was playing terribly (selfish play, awful defense and turnovers) and he took out his frustration on that foul.  No excuse for that at all.

by BeatUL on Dec 19, 2007 8:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Facts nobody mentioned
Houston shot 36% and would have lost this game had they not had nearly a 4 to 1 ratio at the free throw line.They outscored UK bu 20 points at the line.Uk is getting called for stupid fouls,moving screens,hand checks,blocking,and this is a major reason they are losing.When you add in turnovers which are usually unforced(UK had 18 to Houstons 9)and extremely poor rebounding,you have a formula for losing.
And all of these things are things that Tubby complained about last year.

by UKats on Dec 19, 2007 11:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly
"And all of these things are things that Tubby complained about last year."

I couldn't agree more.  Tubby had the same problem with these players, yet some people seem to have forgtton.  So, they blame Gillispie for poor coaching or bad in-game adjustments.  What is he supposed to do exactly to make Porter, Ramel, Joe, etc.. understand that that is not a good throw to make or not to walk or not to dribble the ball off your foot?  He could always take Porter out of the game, but he has to replace him with Bradely.  He has no real options to solve that particular problem (neither did Tubby).

by small balls on Dec 19, 2007 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't just the foul ...
it was the nasty behavior afterward.  That is an indication to me that Joe was not making "just a hard foul".

I agree that the foul was not meant to injure, otherwise the referee would have ejected him.  But it was unsportsmanlike, not because of what it was, but because of the way it was done and the behavior of Crawford in the immediate aftermath.

There are other ways to spark 10-0 runs than making dangerous fouls like that.  He had no chance to stop the play, so he tried to stop the player -- recklessly.

This is Kentucky.  I don't let thuggish behavior go unremarked, and Crawford's actions on that play and immediately after is blameworthy.

by Truzenzuzex on Dec 19, 2007 7:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Tru
Frustration does not excuse Crawfords behavior, but I feel that is exactly what that was.

Put most people in his position, and many would manifest their frustration through that type of foul, and extracurricular activity.

He has never given me reason to think he is in any way a dirty player, or "thug" as you put it.

But you are right, we don't need that type of behavior, especially from a senior.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 19, 2007 7:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

crawfords foul
I agree Joe that foul was not hard. I am sure there was some trash talking before. I have seen much worse, that have never been called .  

by sgray62 on Dec 19, 2007 9:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What does it take to win???
Honestly, the last couple of games we have shot the ball pretty well.  Points came as we needed them.  Shooting over 50% is supposed to get you a win I thought...

It certainly does get frustrating.

by chirop1 on Dec 19, 2007 7:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Teams have found ...
that we simply can't guard players off the dribble, and our defensive rotations are nonexistent.

Defensively, against quicker teams, we just aren't competitive without a shot blocker in there.  Joe Crawford has the size and skill of a college two guard but the feet and commitment to defense of a high school player.

This team is badly broken right now, body and soul.

by Truzenzuzex on Dec 19, 2007 8:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When can we talk about football?
Let's beat FSU's 5th string by 30!
C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Dec 19, 2007 8:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Amazingly...
...still couldn't care less about football.

Wake me up when the fourth OT is over.

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by JL Blue on Dec 19, 2007 9:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good analysis Tru..
but Carter did not play well.  OK, he played well for him.. but he cannot defend and he cannot rebound.

Why does a program need athletes to compete?  That game last night is a great example.  UK was slow to the ball on rebounds, slow to defend and clearly out hustled.

UK needs depth, athletic SEC caliber depth and it will take BCG a couple years to accomplish that but it will happen.

by BeatUL on Dec 19, 2007 8:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Out of Kentucky's five losses...
I can excuse this one to Houston, plus IU and UNC.

These teams are simply better.  All three of them will win a lot of games this year.  Most SEC teams, with the exception of maybe Arkansas and Tennessee (and I'm not even sure about them) would have lost at least two and probably three games to this group.

I can't excuse UAB (14-point lead with 10:00 to go) blown or a home blowout loss to GW.  Both are still inconceivable.

Kentucky should be sitting at 6-3, and to be fair, man, the Wildcats routinely schedule some tough-as-hell opponents in the pre-season.  I surely wish my Gators could get some draws like that.  Our athletic department has tried, but it's damn hard to get other teams to agree to new home-and-aways.

Now, out of the three excusable losses, this one t Houston is questionable simply because of the defensive lapses which allowed the Cougars to go on extended runs.  It seems a breakdown would occur on offense, resulting in a turnover, then a fast break and quick points would get posted for the Cougs.  The Cats seemed a step slow to react and get back on defense, almost as if they hung their heads a bit in that situation for a few moments.  I know P-Pat was sitting out, and that surely hurt the Cats, but Jodie Meeks' return added a lot of power to the Cats' offense, at least early, and I think that offset most of what Patterson would have been able to do had he been in the game instead of Meeks.  And frankly, even with Patterson in the game, I still see a loss being very probable based on the above-described mistakes.

I gave Joe Crawford praise for his output but in retrospect, he did most of his damage when the team found themselves down big.  I don't know why it takes that every time for Joe to start performing well, but what difference does it make if you put yourself in such a big hole that it's almost impossible to climb out of it?

So I'll call that "half" a loss.  2.5 games that Gillispie simply SHOULD NOT have lost regardless of the circumstances.

I'm telling you, BCG really needs to start showing something here because it's not just Kentucky fans noticing something ain't right with the way this team is operating.

Orange & Blue Hue http://www.orangeandbluehue.com

by Gatorpilot on Dec 19, 2007 9:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Joe
is a selfish player and he became productive when Houston pulled back.

Florida chooses to not schedule tough OOC games.  That is UF's pattern in football and certainly in basketball.  It won't change much because it is working out well for the Gators.

by BeatUL on Dec 19, 2007 9:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Honesly
I don't think Kentucky Football's OOC schedule was ridiculously tough this year. Louisville is better than FSU, but the other OOC teams Kentucky and Florida played were probably even.
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by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Dec 19, 2007 10:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You are right
UK's OOC football schedule is not difficult.  And your point is?

by BeatUL on Dec 19, 2007 11:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?
No way is Florida's OOC schedule even close to the difficulty of Kentucky's.  UF's toughest opponent to date was FSU, and the Gators lost pretty badly to them.  Georgia Southern is a little better than most people think in my opinion (they beat UAB by the way).  Other than that, I guess our toughest opponent was...  Rutgers.  Later in December we play Ohio State but they look terrible this year.

Meanwhile, Kentucky plays IU, UNC and a good Houston team.  I think Houston is better than any team Florida has played this year.

So thanks for being kind, but we're not playing anywhere near the level of opponents that UK is playing in the preseason.

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by Gatorpilot on Dec 19, 2007 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Whoops
Read your comment too quickly.  Why are we talking about football in a basketball thread?  Anyway, disregard my earlier comment.
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by Gatorpilot on Dec 19, 2007 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but...
...I don't blame Donovan for Florida's schedule being a little "sweeet".

He's playing freshmen and sophomores with limited experience. No need to crush their confidence by playing a hard as nails schedule.

They'll have plenty of time to acclimate when the SEC starts.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 19, 2007 7:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That schedule
was made before UF knew it was going to start all thoseyoung players..  this is typical UF scheduling; just like in football where Florida hos not left the state in 20 years I think to play an OOC game.  Hell, it is working for them so I wouldn't change it either.

by BeatUL on Dec 20, 2007 9:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Football/bball
BeatUL, in football our conference schedule more than makes up any need for OOC scheduling.  There's just no reason to give up home games and play out of state; we're in the title hunt every year, we already play more Top 10/Top 20 opponents than most other schools, and we do have FSU (who have sucked lately but are usually tough).  So I don't see that changing, due to both financial and common sense reasons.

In basketball, I hate the endless cupcake preseason.  I'd rather take a couple of blows to the chin in the preseason and get some better matchups.  In reality, UF has been trying for years to get some home-and-away agreements set up.  Most schools want us to come visit with no return guarantee.  In 1996, maybe I could understand that, but as two-time national champs with 3 F4s in the last eight years it's time for that to change.  I'd love to get teams like Duke, UNC, Kansas, Illinois, Indiana, and Texas on the preseason docket.  That'd be awesome.

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by Gatorpilot on Dec 20, 2007 9:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not Necessarily True
Basketball schedules are made much nearer the season than football schedules. A few years ago UL played the most non-threatening pre-Big East schedule I a have ever seen. That was by design bcasue of the makeup of UL's team. Pitino had an inordinate amount of youth, and did not want his players confidence shattered. The ploy did not work, if you remember, but it was intentional none the less.

Just this year Gillispie dropped the UMass game and replaced it with a much easier opponent. This was done during the late spring/early summer.

Donovan knew he would be losing his entire team, probably when they all decided together to come back after their sophomore year.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 20, 2007 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto
This is my new comment. Ditto game analysis. Ditto team. Ditto coach. Ditto we were outplayed. The energy was in spurts but not consistent. The rebounds and defense are killing us...every game exposes the lack of ability to guard the shooters on the other teams...or even make the shots harder. We have not been able to recover from the runs that are allowed. I suppose it is true...as PP2 goes ...so goes the games. I found myself just having a hard time watching last night. I am a fan to the last second and I consider that my part whether they are winning or losing. Never come late and never leave early but last night I felt like Chuck Hayes looked.

by CAWebb on Dec 19, 2007 9:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Does anybody
know what happened to Bradley? I didn't get to see the game but when I went back to look at the stats I saw that he only took four shots the whole game and registered zero points. Where did he go?

Did Meeks steal his points? Just curious what others saw since I couldn't.

by bluecrip on Dec 19, 2007 10:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I read that
he (Patterson) rolled his ankle in practice monday evening.

by bluecrip on Dec 19, 2007 10:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Different Game Tru
I continue to respect your blogs and applaud your anaysis but this time we must agree to disagree. I saw more heart in Crawford last night than I've seen in a long time. I for one am completely sick of this ongoing blankety blank soap opera in Lexington between Joe and BCG and for the most part I am starting to blame BCG. He won't start him but he darn sure sticks him in quick and leaves him. IMO BCG just has to show Joe he's the boss and this is a little dig for you kid. It's freakin' stupid.

You stated Carter played well. My comment to the friends I watched the game with was, "If Carter has a problem with playing time just run this tape for him". I do think however he could pick up some scraps and trash if PP were in the game and become a decent compliment.

Now here's where we were evidently on different planets. You stated BCG coached a pretty good game. With 12 to 10 minutes left we sat back on defense inside the top of the key and let Houston stand with the ball and run the clock. And to their credit that is exactly what they did. When you have somebody don't beat yourself. IMO this was a perfect time for a half court zone trap. But I apologize......BCG refuses to play a zone. I guess we are better letting them run clock. With about 5 minutes to play BCG extends the defense with the game completely out of hand and we begin a comeback of sorts. IMO hideous coaching.

In Pitino's first year we get beat by 55 @ Kansas and we pressed full court the entire game. Did we have a chance to win? Absolutely not! What he did was send a message to his team and the rest of the basketball world that we're gonna get after people with everything we have. BCG made the comment upon his hire that the style they would play would be dependent on the players. If that be true you have to be open minded enough to consider all the options and I say without fear of contradiction that over 98% of all programs have in place multiple zone packages. Does UK? Again absolutely not!

I'm gonna give him some latitude because of the injuries. I honestly believe with a healthy PP UK wins last night. We had zero inside game. Freakin ZERO!!! That said I am becoming increasingly sick of the philosophy of BCG which is not a lot of philosophy at all.

by modcpa on Dec 19, 2007 11:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I am always ok ...
with disagreement, especially well-reasoned dissent and not "you are just wrong" kind of thing.

There is no soap opera in Lexington that I am aware of.  Didn't you read my post on rumormongering?

Carter played, in my opinion, the best game he has played as a Wildcat.  Was he Randolph Morris or Joakim Noah?  Nope.  He was Jared Carter, and he still has all the problems that he has always had vis a vis slow afoot, poor positioning, and general ponderousness.

But for him, it was good.

Your concerns about Gillispie are noted, but irrelevant.  He is the coach we have.  If you have specific criticisms, I would love to hear them, but just to say "he said X, and X isn't what we have" is not helpful.  Also, it is pretty clear the players aren't playing the way he wants them to.

Gillispie is not Pitino, nor is he Tubby Smith.  He has his way of playing, and like it or not, that is what we will be seeing for the foreseeable future.

by Truzenzuzex on Dec 19, 2007 12:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Was at the game...
Thanks to a friend that goes to UH, I was able to get in to the game free, courtesy of a student ID. Thought I'd drop by here and give my thoughts on the game...
  • First off, congrats to the Coogs for pulling off the pretty thorough and dominating victory. My friend said it was the fullest and loudest he'd ever seen the arena, and I'm sure that helped fuel the Houston victory.
  • Both he and I were very disappointed that we didn't get to watch Patrick Patterson play.
  • I can say with strong certainty that Jodie Meeks was the best player on the court last night. During the first 15 minutes of the game, he was pretty phenomenal. But when you've got 4 other players on the court who can't do anything, the defense can pretty much key on Meeks, which is what they did. Without shooting space and a collapsing defense on drives, Meeks was pretty much taken out of the game.
  • While Meeks was the best player on the court, the next five were probably UH players. That's a problem.
  • Kentucky's third best player was, sadly, Jared Carter. Seriously. He was solid in the post, although he still doesn't seem to know how to fight for rebounds.
  • While we're on the subject of Carter, I'd like to bring up Gillispie's curious defensive formations. I thought I saw Kentucky go into a soft zone with Carter in the middle in the first half a couple times, but that could've been my eyes playing tricks on me. What was more interesting was the second half defense when Carter would be put AT THE TOP OF THE KEY guarding a primary ballhandler, like Lanny Smith. This also happened with AJ Stewart and Mark Coury. Now I know UH plays small too, but I'm not sure about the logic in that at all.
  • In person, Crawford's foul looked hard, and intentional (By the way, I didn't see any complaints about officiating. There were a few missed calls, but for both sides. I thought it looked pretty fair to me.). While on the subject of Crawford, his  play was a tale of two halves. His offense looked pretty good in the first half. He rotated the ball, got himself in the lane, and only took one bad three. The second half, however, was atrocious. His putting up a ton a points was a matter of his quantity of shooting, not quality. Sigh, vintage Joe.
  • Ramel was simply terrible tonight. Gillispie pulled him right after he shot a horrendous 3 (pretty much the theme of the first 10 minutes of the second half), and I knew right away that he wasn't getting back in the game. Bradley has no idea how to be the point guard of this team, which is disappointing, because his game is a lot like Acie Law's. Similarly, if Gillispie could pull Joe Crawford, he would.
  • Along those lines Gillispie looks like he absolutely hates this team. He's definitely not a fan of Crawford and Bradley, which is fine, because they'll be graduating shortly. But he's also disgruntled with players like A.J. Stewart (who had a good hustle game...at one point, a Kentucky fan next to me was screaming at Billy for taking him out), Perry Stevenson (who is still terrible) and Jared Carter. These are players who are still going to be here for 2-3 more years, and if Billy can't get them to contribute, he's in trouble.
  • It's really disappointing when Patrick Mills is a better point guard than Michael Porter. Porter has absolutely no idea how to bring the ball up the court. Derrick Jasper is sorely needed. Razor was probably the worst player on the court. Lastly, Coury was just...there.
  • I've got some thoughts on UH as well, but in the interest of this fan base, I'll just say that they looked MUCH better as a TEAM than Kentucky did. Two things in particular, ball movement and collapsing the lane, were done SO much better by the Cougars than the Cats. The talent gap also was in Houston's favor. Crawford and Bradley, despite their pedigree, are simply not as good as Dion Dowell and Lanny Smith. And that's a big problem for Kentucky.
  • Finally, I think the chants were for both Gillispie Sucks AND Kentucky Sucks. They kind of blended together. It's nice to see that Kentucky still has that kind of draw to its brand name, though. Hope that you made it this far and enjoyed my ramblings. I look forward to better days.

by jc25 on Dec 19, 2007 11:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Gillispie looks like he absolutely hates this team
You know... I had a patient come into the office this morning and say exactly that.  Its a frightening thought.

by chirop1 on Dec 19, 2007 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for coming by ...
and offering your observations.

I'll address a couple of your points:

In re: Meeks, I agree that Jodie is probably the best player we have besides Patterson, and may even be better than Patterson.

In re:  Carter's game, I liked what Jared did last night, and his upper body strength remains a serious issue, but given his injuries, you could hardly expect anything else.

In re:  Curious defensive formation -- I noticed that as well, and I assume this is one of two things:

  • A teaching technique to help guys learn how to guard quicker players or;

  • A form of man-to-man defense to force penetration in hopes that the much taller defender can recover enough to affect a shot on the drive, and to deny Houston the motion that they want, and force kickouts into clogged passing lanes.

We got a run while we were in that defense the second half, but I'm not really sure if Gillispie was doing some teaching, or a gimmick.

In re:  Gillispie hating the team -- I don't agree.  I think he hates the fact that they don't appear to be cooperating with him.  I am positive Bradley and Crawford are not, and Stevenson just isn't developing yet.  He has had his moments, but they are few and far between.  Our extremely bad ballhandling is 50% of our problem, and rebounding is the other 50%.  Gillispie claims that you can't do much about ballhandling, except maybe with a healthy Jasper.  Rebounding, though, should be something that can be improved.

There will be better days, but maybe not for a while yet.  There is no help for it.  I'd like to believe this is the bottom, but I am not convinced that it is.

by Truzenzuzex on Dec 19, 2007 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I think it's a cogent suggestion
He does look and act like he hates them.  I don't mean in the sense that he means them ill will or anything of that sort, just that he is absolutely unhappy that they are his players.

It's obvious that there have been some personality conflicts.  It's not rumormongering to acknowledge there's something pretty obviously going on between Gillispie and Crawford.  Obviously, Legion transferred, too.

They look like they're trying like hell to cooperate with him, but he's not doing much to help these kids out.  The gameday practices have got to stop.  Kentucky has looked tired early in every game this year.

The odds certainly favor Gillispie eventually fixing all of this, but the odds also favored a much better start than Kentucky has had.

Orange & Blue Hue http://www.orangeandbluehue.com

by Gatorpilot on Dec 19, 2007 1:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cooperation
"They look like they're trying like hell to cooperate with him."  They do?  What does that look like?

I am willing to bet the BCG knows more about basketball than you, me, Tru and all the rest on here combined.  Game day practices?  BCG is smart enough to know if they are necessary or not.

by BeatUL on Dec 19, 2007 1:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It looks like...
... hard effort, fighting 'till the end, not complaining about the system, leaving it all on the court.  That's what it looks like.

"Game day practices?  BCG is smart enough to know if they are necessary or not."

I'm not so sure.  We'll see.

Orange & Blue Hue http://www.orangeandbluehue.com

by Gatorpilot on Dec 19, 2007 1:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Two things.
First, there are undoubtedly disagreements between the players and the coach.  They obviously are not doing what he is telling them to do.  That happens during a change of administration.  They will either eventually come around, or they will not be here next year.  Deliberate, willful failure to follow the instructions of the coach, or sowing dissent on the team should result in dismissal therefrom.  Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.

Second, Gillispie should implement his system as he envisions it.  That is what he was hired to do.  What worked at TAMU will work at UK, and if game day practices are part of his system, there is no reason that they should not be implemented here as well.

I personally don't know if game day practices are a good idea or not -- I see positives and negatives -- but I know Gillispie is not the only practitioner.  His system is a proven winner, and it is unfair to him, or to any coach, to tell him that he must coach under some other system than the one he brought to the table with him just because some fans have different ideas.  UK doesn't pay me one dime for offering my opinion, and they pay Gillispie millions for his coaching and system.  That's all you need to know.

by Truzenzuzex on Dec 19, 2007 1:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto
perfect response.

by BeatUL on Dec 19, 2007 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post..
Basically you are saying UK was a team that showed very little talent.  Agreed.

I totally agree that Meeks was the best player on the court.  That gives all of us hope as when he and Jasper and Patterson get to play together these outcomes will be different.  Very little talent becomes some talent.  Those three are as capable as any three in the SEC.  They just just need to dominate games, stay out of foul trouble and not get hurt.

In my opinion, Jasper is worth at least 10pts is scoring margin as his defensive ability is night and day with what the other guards provide and he will cut down the turnovers greatly.

I was not even the slightest bit impressed with Carter's game.  SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW, never moved for a rebound; I think all 4 of his fell in his lap.  He provided no defensive presence.  And as for Porter, he has been put in a tough spot.  He never should have been offered a scholarship (can be said for 6 other players) and we can all clearly see why.

I am optimistic.  Meeks showed he can take over a game and dominate.  We know Patterson can.  We also know Jasper is going to have an impact on the offense and defense.  Now if the rest of the team can contribute for the remaining available 90 minutes of playing time UK will win its share.

by BeatUL on Dec 19, 2007 1:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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