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NCAA Basketball: UConn's Request Should Be Denied

Seriously, UConn? (via Alex E. Proimos)

ESPN's Dana O'Neil has an excellent article on the College Basketball Nation blog about the Connecticut Huskies trying to get out of their NCAA mandated punishment for low APR scores. Here are the details:

UConn has presented the NCAA with a plan that it thinks should mitigate its academic failings and allow the Huskies to overturn their 2013 NCAA tournament ban.

The plan includes cutting the number of games UConn will participate in, including exhibitions -- but not that boondoggle trip to the Paradise Jam tournament in the Virgin Islands -- forfeiting money earned at the 2013 Big East Tournament, and suggesting Jim Calhoun would bring current or former NBA players to inner-city schools to discuss the importance of academics.

There is more to it as well, but this is the main substance. UConn proposes these self-inflicted penalties replace the NCAA mandated ineligibility for the NCAA tournament in 2013. UConn's president, Susan Herbst, explained the justification for their request thus:

"On a personal level, and as an educator, I would be very sorry to see such harsh punishment of the outstanding young men on our current basketball team. I believe that it would be wrong to punish these students, caught in the fallout from a sudden passage of new rules -- rules that did not exist when they enrolled at UConn. That would be a fundamental injustice to our team and to our university.

More after the jump.

Star-divide

As you might expect, my reaction to this will not be as kind as O'Neil's, but let's first look at hers:

But here’s another cold reality. UConn, with its big budget and Big East money, is afforded every benefit for its "student" athletes. Tutors and academic advisors are not only available at the big-time level, they often travel with the team.

They travel, by the way, on the chartered planes the Huskies use in order to get back to class the next day.

This is meant to compare UConn to three historically black colleges, Southern, Grambling, and Jackson St., who also suffered the APR penalties. As O'Neil points out, nobody cares about their basketball programs because they aren't major players. The implication is as clear as the nose on my face (and trust me, that's pretty darn clear) from Herbst -- "We're one of the big boys, you can't do this to us!"

The hubris of UConn's request is shocking to the system. One might expect genuine contrition from the school, and acceptance of the penalty as members of the NCAA family. One might expect that they would send Calhoun to do what it offers in return for special consideration as part and parcel of that contrition, and desire to correct the deficiencies that Calhoun is in no small part responsible for creating.

But instead, Herbst and UConn not only want the NCAA to treat them as a special case, they have the audacity to use their current student athletes as pawns to try to guilt the NCAA into a complete abdication of its responsibilities. Not only that, Calhoun is ill with back problems (we all wish him a quick and complete recovery), and they will no doubt argue that his responsibilities, while still part of their proposal, needn't actually be performed due to this health.

If there has ever been a more unethical position taken by a Division I university, I don't want to know about it. In response to Herbst's absurd justification, if Ohio State, Southern California and others can be forced to surrender their post-seasons for current players because of the actions of past players and coaches, what the heck makes UConn any different? This argument is so transparently absurd it beggars belief. Since the very first NCAA sanction involving post-season play, the innocent have suffered the consequences of the guilty. UConn's players can always transfer -- I'm sure the NCAA would let them.

In sum, this is one of the more mock-worthy things I have ever seen. Herbst is a walking, talking offense to reason, and she dares call herself an "educator?" In this case, she is educating us on how not to behave, and how not to lead.

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If UConn doesn't want to hurt future students...

Then why not offer to vacate their 2011 championship?

by GoLightning on Feb 10, 2012 1:25 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

that attitude is usually reserved for me......lol

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Feb 10, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

“In sum, this is one of the more mock-worthy things I have ever seen.”

Not as much as poor David, though.

“…nobody cares about their basketball programs because they aren’t major players.”

It must suck to play in front of completely empty stands every single game. I wonder why they even continue to play the sport if nobody cares.

by UKfaninDC on Feb 10, 2012 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

I played sports in front of nobody.

And loved it dearly. When you compete, the universe is really small. The only thing that exists in the world is you, the ball and the position of some of the other players.

by Wheatgerm on Feb 11, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Can you imagine

if Calipari offered to send Rose to inner city Chicago schools to talk about the importance of academic integrity in exchange for getting Memphis’ vacated season back? I’m sure it’s not a direct analog, but you can bet there’d be more pieces than just Dana O’Neill’s written about that.

by Acdixon on Feb 10, 2012 2:05 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Wow.

No doubt.

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by Glenn Logan on Feb 10, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

actually, i believe Rose to inner city Memphis school

would be a better analog – but not much better :)

i think you are dead on

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Feb 10, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

How about Rose

to inner-city schools in Storrs?

by Wheatgerm on Feb 11, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Gee, not making the 2013 NCAA tourney due to restrictions, this season falling apart around their ears, and Calhoun injured and off the sidelines......

sounds to me like justice may be being served after all when it comes to Calhoun and his previous “non-violations violations”

There’s that Schadenfreude again!!!

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Feb 10, 2012 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

and they are convinced they are getting Nerlens Noel???

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Feb 10, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Devastating Impacts

Given the play of the Huskies so far this season (below .500 in conference play and a current RPI of 25 and going down), if this APR penalty isn’t ameliorated on appeal, UConn may actually miss the NCAA Tournament two years in a row. That kind of impact is the same as the COI imposes on programs guilty of what has heretofore been regarded as significantly more serious infractions.

Clearly missing the NCAA Tournament two years in a row will significantly impact UConn’s recruiting and probably complicate their hiring of a replacement for Calhoun should his medical leave of absence become permanent – It may actually be a big incentive for Calhoun not to return, particularly given the loss of incentive income dependent on NCAA post season participation. Couple a two year hiatus from the NCAA Tournament with the derivative negative impact on recruiting and it may be more than two years before we see UConn back in the NCAA Tournament – maybe much more.

Further, the financial impact on a relatively small program like UConn could be huge. The fact that the appeal was voiced by UConn president Susan Herbst instead of Paul Pendergast, the UConn Interim Director of Athletics, suggests there is really big money on the line – and not just the money Herbst offered to forfeit from the 2013 Big East Tournament. In an economically strapped state, losing two (and maybe more) years of NCAA post-season participation money, along with the impact of multi-year promotional contract incentive and penalty clauses coming into play, could not only diminish UConn’s ability to finance the men’s basketball program going forward but maybe devastate women’s basketball as well as other non-revenue sports.

When all the debris stops falling and the bodies are counted from Calhoun’s disgraceful last couple of years, we may be seeing the equivalent of a death penalty being imposed on UConn Basketball.

by TeamWeaver on Feb 10, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

not to mantion how hard it is going to be to recruit kids who know they wont be playing in the NCAA tourney with all thos millions watching.....

Calhoun might have to give up some of that pay that he isn’t overpaid…..

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Feb 10, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

mention......geez.....gotta get new glasses, or fingers, or something....

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Feb 10, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

nooooooo.....not even on a bet......

my wife even stopped me from taking sign language lessons

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Feb 10, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Check your fingers, Greg :)

I got a cold call from a “promoter” today offering all kinds of free stuff. When he hung up, I realized I was missing a couple of fingers and most of my shirt. Evidently he called on you also.

"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.

by kydamcat on Feb 10, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Turns out the guy is my brother-in-law......Tennessee fan....lol

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Feb 10, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, Greg, ...

I did mention the impact on recruiting above…

Clearly missing the NCAA Tournament two years in a row will significantly impact UConn’s recruiting and probably complicate their hiring of a replacement for Calhoun should his medical leave of absence become permanent – It may actually be a big incentive for Calhoun not to return, particularly given the loss of incentive income dependent on NCAA post season participation. Couple a two year hiatus from the NCAA Tournament with the derivative negative impact on recruiting and it may be more than two years before we see UConn back in the NCAA Tournament – maybe much more.

by TeamWeaver on Feb 10, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw that after the fact.....my bad.....I have been far too focused on the world of selling posters to the underpriveleged....

it has thrown me off my game

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Feb 10, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I have 23 signed ones left....and 16 without signatures.....

Do you know how hard it is to get Bill Murray to sign all of those?

$50 for signed, $25 for unsigned….

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Feb 10, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

OHHHHHHH

You wanted Kentucky posters?

Oh nooooo….that would be an NCAA violation……haven’t you heard??

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Feb 10, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Selling them?

shouldn’t you be giving them away?

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Feb 11, 2012 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

With all that money being lost

maybe the NCAA can do what seems to be the status quo. Since Kentucky is making good money at basketball then make UK make a payment to UCONN to cover any shortfall. I mean, I’d sure hate to see a fine squeaky clean program like UCONN have to actually abide by the same rules as everyone else.

War is God's way of teaching Americans geography. - Ambrose Bierce

by hoboat33 on Feb 10, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's my counter-proposal

Accept the self-imposed penalties as described, and maintain the tournament ban along with it. Maybe next time you’ll check your chutzpah at the door when you come to plead your case.

by BCCatFan on Feb 10, 2012 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

I like it

The self-imposed penalty becomes mandatory for being stupid enough to ask for an alternate penalty. Of course, if we’re imposing penalties for stupidity, the NCAA might have to penalize itself right out of existence.

by Acdixon on Feb 10, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Coach Rupp

He was livid at his former players and the NCAA in the point shaving scandal of the late 1940s after making his famous statement, “They (the gamblers) couldn’t touch my players with a ten-foot pole.” However, he took the punishment, a banned season in 1952-53, when the NCAA and the SEC told its members they would punish any school who played UK. Then, he came back and played an undefeated season in 1954.

Jim Calhoun is not one -tenth the man that Coach Rupp was.

by jdogblue on Feb 10, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

HA!

Make them bring current or former NBA players to inner-city schools to discuss the importance of academics. What could they do, say no?
The louder they object, the worse they look!

by Wheatgerm on Feb 11, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

What about UK?

Can we lobby the NCAA to reverse their sanctions for the first 3 years of Coach Pitino’s tenure? Or how about the 1952-53 season?

Let’s send the NCAA our regrets and ask them to post the inrasquad wins as NCAA victories. LOL. I’m sure they would consider it. LOLx2.

by bigboyblue on Feb 10, 2012 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

BCC

Yep. And vacate their NCAA 2011 championship that they backed into.

by bigboyblue on Feb 10, 2012 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

UConn deserves to be publicly shamed for this

Hopefully all the talking heads will do so this weekend but I’m not holding my breath. Kudos to O’neil for writing her piece.

by Lewke on Feb 10, 2012 2:35 PM EST reply actions  

UConn's position is astonishing....

It never ceases to amaze me the rationale that people come up with to excuse personal failings, criminal behavior, failure to adhere to rules, etc. It is akin to the dopes on shows like Jerry Springer or Maury Povich who use idiotic, self-serving reasons to explain away behavior that is contrary to social mores.

No one should ever complain if they knowing break rules/laws or fail to comply with minimum requirements. Sometimes you just have to take your medicine and move on. I learned this lesson as a young lad.

When I was in 6th grade, I got caught chewing snuff on school property before classes started. As I sat in front of the principal, I fully admitted what I had done. I knew it was wrong and didn’t cry foul or try to make excuses. The principal called my dad and told him what I had done and that he needed his approval to paddle me. My dad’s response: “Did he do it?” The principal: “Yes and doesn’t deny it.” My dad: “Well bust his ass!” (thanks dad)

The moral of the story is that when you do the crime, be a man and do the time. Crying and excuses are for children.

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Feb 10, 2012 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

Sevenrings, ...

Actually, I don’t have a problem with their appealing the penalty; it’s just the University functioning in its fiduciary role on behalf of the state of Kentucky. By some perspective, if they hadn’t appealed then they would be in breach of the public trust and maybe open to prosecution.

by TeamWeaver on Feb 10, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

correction

Actually, I don’t have a problem with their appealing the penalty; it’s just the University functioning in its fiduciary role on behalf of the State of Kentucky Connecticut. Freudian slip, no doubt! ’;-)

by TeamWeaver on Feb 10, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Also my favorite line from Herbst
I believe that it would be wrong to punish these students, caught in the fallout from a sudden passage of new rules — rules that did not exist when they enrolled at UConn.

“How were we suppose to know that we should make sure our athletesstudents were going to and passing our classes?”

by Lewke on Feb 10, 2012 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

that's what's so astonishing to me about Herbst's position.

The APR has been around and UCONN is ALREADY paying the price for poor class attendance with reduced scholarships. what new rules?

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Feb 10, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

The NCAA recently enacted tighter standards ...

… but UConn would have been capatured by the old ones, I believe. Another reason why this is so bad.

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by Glenn Logan on Feb 10, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

We have to make sure another Orton

does not come here. It would only take one or two bad actors to really hurt a program.

I do wonder if Coach Cal continues his success with one year players, particularly if he wins a title or two, will the NCAA come up with rules to punish a school for players that leave early?

Making waves in a sea of blue.

by kywineman on Feb 10, 2012 3:22 PM EST reply actions  

If so, we'll just have to adjust.

It is what it is.

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by Glenn Logan on Feb 10, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

They probably would run afoul

of commerce provisions with restrictions like that.

Making waves in a sea of blue.

by kywineman on Feb 10, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I think that was resolved by the Supreme Court back in the 1970’s. Punishing conduct the court officially provided for would probably not lead to a happy ending for the NCAA. But they know that, I’m sure.

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by Glenn Logan on Feb 10, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

funny thing is

that Orton wasn’t even one of Cal’s recruits and of course opinions vary and we’ll never really know, but if it hadn’t been for Coach Cal the kid probably wouldn’t even have had the chance to leave early.

Orton. Kid is either a genius or really really lucky. He’s making millions not doing a damned thing.

by BigSkyCat on Feb 10, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

aannnddd...

I just realized that this comment of mine really has nothing to do with anything. Guess I’m still a little bitter about Orton. I’m sure you couldn’t tell.

by BigSkyCat on Feb 10, 2012 5:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

There's nothing stopping him from completing his semester.

He’s free to take classes and earn credits. Would love to see him do it.

by Wheatgerm on Feb 11, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Forde....

actually had a pretty good take on this yesterday. His suggestion was that Calhoun should be the one to do the grovelling. He said it would rival Bob Knight’s press conference after the Neil Reed episode back in 2000. Personally, I would like to see Calhoun pubically accept some responsibility for anything that has happened during his time at UConn, even if he was insincere about it. It would entertaining as hell.

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by jbt36 on Feb 10, 2012 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

War is God's way of teaching Americans geography. - Ambrose Bierce

by hoboat33 on Feb 10, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Forde is completely off base

His beat is to rag on Cal, not Calhoun.

by jdogblue on Feb 10, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not a Forde fan but he was completely fair in his views on this matter just like all of us here

And he had an excellent piece on UK and their domination – like know one is even close to us at this point in time. Of course I was very surprised by his complementary UK comments

A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!

by KansasUKCat on Feb 10, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

My comment was tongue in cheek

Of course that does not come through via typed words.

by jdogblue on Feb 10, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Could it be..

that he has some inside information about Pitino’s remaining time at UofL? He may feel the need to shift allegiance to the Cats and try to suck up to Cal and the BBN. He has been very nice to UK lately.

"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.

by kydamcat on Feb 10, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Running UCONN into the ground is part of Pitino's retirement plan anyway.....

No WVU, no UCONN, he runs off a few more and he might last another 10 years in the Big LEast

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Feb 10, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

UConn Denied By NCAA

Hartford Courant.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

by Wild Weasel on Feb 10, 2012 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

No surprise.

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by Glenn Logan on Feb 10, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

That was just the first step. Now comes the appeal.
The NCAA’s Committee on Academic Performance, chaired by University of Hartford President Walter Harrison, next meets on Feb. 20. The committee is also studying the feasibility of using the most recent academic years to determine penalties, a change which would likely allow UConn to participate in the 2013 tournament. However, the logistics of doing so are considered a significant obstacle.

Sounds like UConn has a friend on the committee.

Making waves in a sea of blue.

by kywineman on Feb 10, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps, who knows?

But I suspect the outcome will not change.

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by Glenn Logan on Feb 10, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh.

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by Glenn Logan on Feb 10, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

What a way to start off my morning.

I’m sitting here laughing like I’m crazy and all my co-workers have no idea what I’m laughing at.
Thanks!

by KYGRLNNM on Feb 11, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

No, thank you!

Making waves in a sea of blue.

by kywineman on Feb 11, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

There once was a man from Nantucket......

Who couldn’t play at Kentucky so he just said……

lost my train of thought…….geez

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Feb 10, 2012 6:19 PM EST reply actions  

Ooooh. Ooooh. Mr. Kotter

I think I know the answer.

I'm not a redneck. I prefer Appalachian American.

by UKCat on Feb 10, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm still chuckling ...

thanks! (I think we’re dating ourselves a little.)

by Wheatgerm on Feb 11, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks,

most people do not encourage me. :)

Making waves in a sea of blue.

by kywineman on Feb 10, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

The NCAA

rules or whoever enforces this,has no agenda.This is the most consistent group when dealing with penalties.Kentucky fans are the most paranoid fan base of all time.

by Zoso- on Feb 10, 2012 7:04 PM EST reply actions  

kywm

Right on! Paranoid? Doesn’t that mean we don’t trust the NCAA? LOL

by bigboyblue on Feb 11, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

We most definitely are not!!!!

And just who do you think you are anyway???

Is that your Mercedes I saw parked at the NCAA offices this morning??
How would you like it if I called some of my IRS buddies down here and told them to comb through your records, huh???
Paranoia is for those who are confused or do not know who is out to get them…..we know exactly who is out to get us!!!!

Whew, guess I am getting a little bit overly enthusiastic….come might even call it paranoid….oh ……wait….

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Feb 10, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I really dont have any buddies at the IRS....you wouldnt turn me in would you???

please…..I’ll be good, just don’t turn me in to the NCAA….I don’t want those investigators down here looking through my underwear drawers and stuff…..and they will probably bring those no good DEA people with them….and then it will be the ATF….there goes my still….and treasury is gonna want to look at my printing press out in the shed….oh man…..

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Feb 10, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

GAE

Bad part is, they leave your house a mess. Heh.

by bigboyblue on Feb 11, 2012 12:20 AM EST reply actions  

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