WKU Hilltoppers lose on last second shot to a team with six players on floor
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PrintOK, all of you who think you've seen it all. Here's something I've never seen, and wish I hadn't just witnessed. The WKU Hilltoppers, already struggling this season with a lineup which makes UK look a team full of geriatrics, took on the Louisiana-Lafayette Ragin Cajuns tonight in a Sun Belt Conference contest at Diddle Arena. A tight game throughout, the game went to overtime, where this happened in the final seconds.
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That officiating crew
needs to be suspended for a few games over something as outrageous as that.
Making waves in a sea of blue.
Apparently, the Sun Belt's coordinator of officials is considering just such a suspension.
“Three officials could face a suspension for failing to call a technical foul on Louisiana-Lafayette for having six players on the court prior to Elfrid Payton’s game-winning layup in Lafayette’s 72-70 victory over Western Kentucky in Bowling Green, Ky., Thursday night.” – Katz ESPN Article
Retiring Sun Belt commissioner Wright Waters says, “This probably happens more than we realize.” That is a BS comment on Waters’ part. Any time a ref crew misses calling a foul on a team playing 6 on 5, much less winning in overtime, the media is all over it and we just haven’t seen it. Also his comment, “If the official had stopped it then it upsets the flow of the final seconds of the game,” is absolutely crazy. The idea that the “flow … of the game” takes precidence over a fundamental rule of the sport shows what is wrong with officiating across the nation.
Sorry, somehow the link didn't take.
Here it is, Katz ESPN Article.
Good thing he's retiring.
That’s all I have to say. He certainly doesn’t deserve to be associated with officiating with a comment like that.
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another question on the qualification test..
“How many players of each team can be on the floor at once?”
This is primarily the responsibility of the scorekeeper isn’t it? The players have to check in and out. This should be correctable and non-debateable. Not a question of what a player “did”, like did he walk or was that a foul, there were just too damn many of them.
Remarkable, no
unbelievable. They were out there for 21 seconds or so and no one noticed? No ref, player, coach, or fan?
by darkandbloody@gmail.com on Jan 6, 2012 1:29 AM EST reply actions
i was scanning the crowd
looking for someone screaming about such a thing…nothing. Usually fans are pretty quick to yell out such violations
I have kleptomania,
but when it gets bad,
I take something for it.
I saw numerous people pointing furiously and yelling
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
That is the part I don't get.
Nobody noticed? Nobody, except Ragin’ Cajun players, coaches and maybe a fan or two? 5 seconds and we would be screaming !
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
I'm just wondering.
How does a one game suspension for the officials undo the loss that their incompetence inflicted on Western’s team?
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Just what I was thinking.
It holds the refs accountable, but it leave the victims without redress. So what’s the answer? Does anyone have the authority to nullify LL’s victory or declare WKU the winner?
The one ULL guy who was wide open never touched the ball
and in fact there were two or three defenders on the player who scored the winning layup.
I admit with everyone else that ULL committed a rules violation. However, the sixth player had nothing to do with the winning basket.
It depends who you think the 6th man was.
If he was #2, the guy who scored the winning basket, I might have to disagree.
6th man
was the guy standing out on the three point line right of the basket. The only one unguarded.
You sure? Think about it for a little while and see if a light comes on.
If you’re depending on the defense to identify the 6th man after the fact, then you can’t know who it is before the play begins. Could be anybody, right? You’re leaving it to chance. And if the 6th man is the one the defense leaves unguarded, then he will usually have nothing to do with the outcome of the game, which makes the violation almost meaningless. No, that’s not how you determine who the 6th man was.
Incidentally, FIVE ULL guys never touched the ball, and they still scored a basket to win! That’s some trick.
Except that having 6 men on the floor
was a technical foul that should have resulted in free throws for WKU. . .
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
WKU didn't do a bad job on defense to start ....
considering…I mean, the drive to the lane would have happened 5 v 5, but 5 v 6, LL couldn’t seem to move the D around. Crappy way to lose.
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How did no one notice?
Refs, WKU bench, no one.
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Amazing!
Something still needs to done, even if the 6th man had nothing to do with the final basket.
I was there, but I didn't notice it either.
We thought that a ULL player stepped on the line while he was dribbling, but I wasn’t counting defenders at that point.
In fact, we didn’t know until we got in the car and started listening to the post-game show on the radio. You never know squat when you actually attend a game.
WKU played hard, if not well, all night. I feel bad for our players.
I’m sure coach McDonald will seek more than a just a suspension of the crew; he will want his team’s record amended. He’s trying to keep his job, and nobody around here is in the mood to give him any wiggle room.
That surprises me.
although looking at the video one player was so close to the sideline I suppose at a glance one might think he was off the court, but in the thousands of games that I have watched I can recall too many players on the court during actual play only once. And that was a little girl who forgot how you subbed and just ran out and started playing.
I have seen too many come out on the court after a TO many times, but that is why coaches and refs count players. It is just a habit one develops.
I still am amazed this happened
by darkandbloody@gmail.com on Jan 6, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
spiraling downward
He took over from Darren Howard who went 29-7 in 2007-08 and went 25-8 ; followed with 21-13 in 2009-10, then 16-16 in 2010-11, and was 5-11 so far this season.
At that pace they would have been lucky to have had ten wins for the year! The missing of the 6th player may have been the straw that broke the camel’s back, or it may have been the fact that the loss put them under the 33% winning ratio that tipped the balance.
WKU isn’t UK but they have their pride, which they have earned, and losing over 2 out of every three games does not fit their image or history.
by blenheim bard on Jan 6, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Lots and lots
of off-court issues arose with McDonald, almost since the beginning of his tenure. That, plus he’s working for an AD that didn’t hire him, plus McDonald took a ton of recruiting chances on talented players with questionable character, and almost all of the chances he took did not work out, hence, a team starting four frosh..
McDonald is universally liked in BG, he had an outstanding relationship with the media and fans, but his choices (as the Possum would say) cost him his job.
He should have very deliberately stepped into the middle of the basketball play as it was happeneing looking directly at the refs and forced them to stop play
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Someone in the crowd should had attached a note on a brick saying "Six Players on ULL" and threw it at a ref
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
The NCAA can wipe away a whole year's worth of games in a second over accusations unproven, but
they will do nothing in this case and simply let this stand.
They are ridiculous.
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Now every referee at every level is looking for 6 men on the floor ...
my daughters team got a tech this morning for not substituting fast enough – 6 on the floor when the free throw was shot … I immediately told our coach he was going to be fired tomorrow :)
On College Game Day
They said it was the expressed responsibility of one of the 3 officials to count players after each time out. BTW, they all picked UK as #1 seed, 2 picked AD as 1st team A-A, 1 chose Mk-G as POY, however all picked Heels as NC.
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