Kentucky Wildcats (2) 68, Auburn Tigers 53: Postmortem
Tonight, on the Plains of Auburn, the Kentucky Wildcats escaped a game and aggressive Auburn Tigers team that looked for a long time like they would take the #2-ranked Wildcats right down to the wire with a chance to do what the Indiana Hoosiers did -- beat UK at the buzzer.
This game requires a mandatory truism: It was much closer than the score. Auburn played a fantastic contest, and they deserve our respect. Resist the temptation, dear brother or sister of the Big Blue Nation, to blame this exclusively on Kentucky's play. Yes, Kentucky probably took Auburn a bit lightly tonight, and who can blame them given the Tiger's performance in the last two games?
Auburn came to play tonight, and gave Kentucky all they wanted. Perhaps if UK had been as wired as they were against Louisville or North Carolina, this game wouldn't have been so competitive, but that is an absolutely unrealistic expectation These UK players are young, and they are used to winning. Tonight, they found out that talent can be equalized by passion, raw effort, and good execution. Tonight, the Tigers brought all this, and this game illustrates in stark relief the trouble that Kentucky is going to face on the road this season, as they do every season -- rowdy crowds, zone defenses, and highly motivated opponents.
Tonight's postmortem is going to be a bit more stream-of-consciousness than a structured affair, so please bear with me. I am disinclined to present a game ball tonight, because every player played about the same -- well at times, and badly at times. The Wildcats, in one sense, were very much together tonight in that none of them hustled quite as much as they should have, all of them were out of position more than once, and each of them stepped up and did big-boy things that helped win the game. In essence, this was perhaps the most complete "team" effort we have seen, even though many possessions, both offensive and defensive, were poorly executed by any standard.
Part of being a great team is winning ugly in the face of an unexpected challenge, and this was really the first time Kentucky has had to do that all season. Auburn did a great job of taking Kentucky out of their comfort zone. I have never seen Marquis Teague look more uncertain running the point, and that's part of the beauty of what Auburn was able to do.
I haven't seen Davis struggle so much on the defensive glass, or Michael Kidd-Gilchrist seem so unable to will the ball in. Doron Lamb struggled with back screens as he has all year, but he also made some big shots and got more rebounds than he has been recently. Terrence Jones looked pretty much like he is back in focus, even if his fingers still seem to be bothering him (which, given the nature of his injury, is not surprising). Darius Miller had some issues with fouling and involvement, but also made some huge shots.
This was just one of those tough games we get every year in the SEC. Last year, Kentucky managed to lose most of these until very late in the year. The fact that the 'Cats won this one in a pitched battle until the last two minutes or so is a good sign going forward, and I am more encouraged by this effort than not.
To put it in John Calipari's terms, the team really battled in the second half after letting Auburn think they should be ranked somewhere in the top 25 in the first. About the middle of the second half, the Wildcats realized that this thing really could go sideways if they didn't start finding a way, and despite a moment or two of panic, they stuck together as a team and found a way to will the game into double-digits in the face stiff and determined resistance.
In sum, Wildcats fans, this was a good win. We learned something about this team tonight, and it was more good than bad.
Next up: The Tennessee Volunteers in Knoxville on Saturday afternoon.
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As much grief as I gave them, kudos to Auburn's fans who kept their team in this game
Note to the Cats: this is life on the road in the SEC: you need your game brain on each time, every time.
Proud member of the Big Blue Nation - Let's Go Cats!!!
UK typically has quite a few fans at Auburn
Many of them are veterenary school students who did their undergrad studies at UK.
Yep.
My brother tried to get in there.
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by Glenn Logan on Jan 11, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just glad to get a road win in the League
I had to watch the game on ESPN3 with all it related difficulties, including missing all but 5 minutes of the first half because the site would not load. I was astounded that the Cats were being beaten so badly on the boards. However, late in the second half, when they dug deep, they began to even up the rebounding battle, only losing it by 6. MKG had another tough offensive game (including turnovers), but he had an outstanding block on the AU player reverse layup late in the game. All in all, I am encouraged by how the Cats pulled together and brought home the victory.
In post game, Cal complained about the constant fouling of AD and MKG
Was supportive of Teague’s game, “He’s a freshman, it’s early January, let’s wait until February.”
Yeah, I heard that.
He must be talking to the officials. That’s what I would expect.
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by Glenn Logan on Jan 11, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
If even half of the fouls committed on those guys actually get called
I’d be surprised
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
This was a good game for a young team to learn from.
Despite being out rebounded and shooting poorly, they found a way to solve the zone defense and win the ball game. Carry this lesson forward to Saturday, start fresh, play harder and if we come away with a win, it is not a bad start on the SEC road.
Making waves in a sea of blue.
Great play down the stretch...
Need to open the game with more intensity. They seem to start better when they press early.
Great game-
A learning experience for the new guys. I loved it. They did not fold, and found out firsthand what the SEC road looks like. Perfect game to get them ready for Knoxville. I am extremely proud of every player who contributed… And cudos to Auburn who had no quit in them… Bring on the Vols!
"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"
Yes Tigers were ready to play and were spurred by Gabriel ... when he got his 4th foul things seemed to come unraveled for them
I listened to the first half-
While driving home from work… The second half was great to watch…
"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"
Figuring out the 2-3 Zone and how to attack it
needs to be addressed with this team. We have seen it now from a hand full of teams and the scouting report is out that this is how to beat us. The rebounding debacle over the past two games needs to get better too.
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by The White Mandingo on Jan 11, 2012 11:27 PM EST reply actions
I believe they addressed it better
in the 2nd half. While many people want to see blowouts, I want to see challenges that they must overcome to improve. These kinds of games get them more prepared for the post season than 30 point victories.
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What was so different about Auburn's 2-3 zone
that made it such a struggle tonight? As Mandy points out, this is not the first time we’ve seen one. Surely by now we know what to do. There shouldn’t be a lot of impromptu figuring out at this point.
Beautiful Game
1) One could see the Uh Oh looks on the players’ faces, but they hung together and worked it out.
2) The scoring distribution was wonderful. Everyone contributed.
3) 83% from the line.
4) Type of game they needed to experience ahead of Knoxville. .
5) Were those UK students at the game or Kentucky fans who attend Auburn.
6) Looked like those bouncy rims nearly got us. Cawood to Coach Rupp on the post game radio show around 1967: Coach ,you got the win over Auburn tonight, but the team didn’t shoot that well . Coach Rupp, Well, Cawood they have those bouncy rims here and you just can’t shoot as well with them. Cawood: (Silence) Bouncy rims Coach? Yes, Cawood, bouncy rims.
Or at least that is how I recall it from listening to my transistor radio, under the blankets, far past my bedtime, on a cold winter night in that drafty house on Highway 60.
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by darkandbloody@gmail.com on Jan 12, 2012 12:02 AM EST reply actions
I was too young, as well.
But I remember what Joe B. said after the ‘84 Georgetown loss: "What happened was totally beyond me. I’ve never seen a team shoot like we did today. There had to be some e-lectronic de-vice sending out sounds around the basket."
He was, of course, just being humorous. Something my very good Georgetown friend refuses to admit.
It came to me this morning -
After the remark above, Joe B. added: “It was cerestrial.” It certainly was, Joe. It certainly was.
I Seem To Remember
that he also said something about “our electrolytes were out of balance” or some such thing as that.
Can I actually remember if I heard it live on the radio? Not exactly.
I didn’t get to stay up and listen to the post game at that age but I’m sure my grandmother mentioned the definitely bouncy rims Auburn had several times over the years.
I guess they have moved them to their new tiger den. ’-)
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Relieved More Than Happy
To get a win in our first conference road game but I am puzzled by our lack of rebounding. As long as this team is we should outrebound almost every team we play. I believe that the players keep hearing how “long” they are as a team and don’t work to get position or block out as the shot goes up. YOUTH! Sometimes when you have too much of something, anything, you can take it for granted.
Another item of concern is our offense. It is not good. If we’re not getting our points on fast breaks and run outs we tend to struggle. We must work on the 2-3 zone. Right now I can’t see this team beating a team like Syracuse or Michigan State. They will see a healthy dose of that dreaded defense all the rest of the year.
Better bring your hard hats and lunch pails Saturday guys!
Maybe the fact that we need to work on the 2-3 zone offense is a blessing....
…if all the forward games have teams hitting us w/ the 2-3 zone, we will have an entire conference season working on our offense and getting better. That way, if chance has it, we play Syracuse, we will be ready…and if we play them, it sure isn’t a 1st or 2nd round tourny game…right?
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by kentuckyrules on Jan 12, 2012 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
I watched Davis work very hard to block out.
He’s learned not to go to the basket like he does for an offensive rebound. Now he finds a body to step in front of. He fought to block out last night. That is, when he wasn’t having to leave his man to help Teague. Jones is going to have to rotate more quickly to Davis’ man in those situations. Davis seemed uncertain about blocking shots. When he held back he got burned. When he went for it, he got burned. It was a tough night for him.
Clearly, we also need to work on our transition defense. It was AWOL.
A win is a win
Teams are going to zone UK the rest of the year after how bad they looked in the first half. 2nd half was better, but still not that good. The key is not settling for 3s.
The all out efforts to block shots is leading to being out of position for defensive rebounds. Of course, Davis and company are constantly having to come to the help as drivers go by Teague and Lamb with little difficulty. Also, Kyle Wiltjer simply can’t play if he is going to play no D and miss easy open shots.
The Teague nutshot: intentional or not? If it was intentional he should have been thrown out of the game. If it wasn’t, why call a flagrant?
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
You don't give a guy a shot in the pills.
Its just not cricket.
by bob in bg on Jan 12, 2012 8:25 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Is that what it was?
I didn’t see that, but I haven’t checked the replay.
If that’s what happened, then Teague was lucky not to get heaved. If I had been the official, he would have been.
No intentional shots to the man parts. That’s the rule. No exceptions. The NCAA should adopt that right away. :-)
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Yep... that's exactly what he did.
Happens all the time in street ball…
It would only happen once to me.
I would have attempted to murder the offender on the spot, with my hands. Nobody ever did that to me in a street game, and I played a hell of a lot of basketball, everywhere.
Capital offense, in my book.
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Totally agree...
And that’s why I’m done with Teague. Maybe he’ll win me back eventually.
Kevin Garnett is pretty notorious for this stuff too
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
That was why play was stopped on the next possession
The guy who was on the receiving end of the nutshot said something to Teague and they had to be separated
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
Wow.
That does not enamor me to Marquis Teague. That is a very low-character thing to do. How the other guy kept from assaulting him is a credit to him. I’m afraid I may have failed that test.
Calipari really needs to have a one-way conversation with that young man. That is very, very troubling to me.
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Sorry Glenn
But when I stated something similar in the game thread last night, everyone jumped on me about being oh so wrong. Be prepared to feel the wrath of the non-objective UK fan. :)
The reply they showed was no the best angle
But yeah, If I was Cal, Teague would be puking all day from all the sprints.
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
There was no question in my mind.
Teague focused on his target – which, given the bagginess of the shorts these days, is something of a compliment to the victim – and gave it a little fist bump. “Hello there. Just want to show a little respect for the game you’re playing.” Didn’t seem like it could possibly down a man, but the defender made the most of it when he crumbled to the floor in mute nostril agony. The announcers couldn’t see it on multiple replays, but there it was. Bad form indeed. And we had just built a small lead. As Cal said, “Why would you do that?”
Loved Cal’s demeanor last night. He seemed more bemused than angry. Calmer, more supportive of his players.
To Coop’s question, intent was never the point of the rule. So they changed the nomenclature. A Flagrant 1 is non-excessive contact. Flagrant 2 is excessive: the player is ejected from the game, and the other team receives two free throws and the ball. The NCAA tries to explain that Flagrant 1 is the former intentional foul, while Flagrant 2 is what you came to know as flagrant. That’s clear, isn’t it??
If the refs thought it was intentional then he should have been tossed
There was a guy from Texas Tech tossed last night for throwing a punch.
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I think it's the severity of the act.
Throw a punch, no question. Tap a groin, eh. That’s a cheap shot. I see a distinction. Bilas tries to explain the difference, but I can’t recall his words. I’m sure it’s one of those non-standard standards like the reasonable man standard. No bright lines. A matter of judgment. Again, it’s not about intent. We’re going to have to stop using that word.
It should be, in my view.
Any intentional shot to the groin should be a mandatory, automatic ejection. My opinion only.
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Was his hand in a fist?
Intent is difficult to prove at times but if he hit him with a clenched fist, intent is almost certainly proven since there is no part of the game where a fist would come into play. If he hit him open handedly, then I would have liked to have seen if it were while swiping at the ball. Not defending Teague, just having spend a career having to prove knowledge and intent feeds my curiosity on such matters.
Making waves in a sea of blue.
If he was swiping at the ball...
he missed by about 3 feet. The guy was going up for a shot. The ball was head-level, and no, not THAT head. Did you not see the play?
I say the replay
and it was not clearly flagrant as you suggest. Teague was caught flat footed and the guy was elevated two to three feet above him and his momentum was carrying him toward Teaque. Other things could have happened as opposed to intentionally hitting him in the groin area. I have seen replays where flagrant fouls were called and it simply was not clear that the intent as interpreted by the officials was nothing more than effort that was too late in getting there. Judgment call by the refs and in their judgment it was not as severe as you suggest.
You are saying that Teague is a cheap shot artist, something that has not shown up prior to that play, so you appear to be judging him on your preconception of his character.
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I give up...
“You are saying that Teague is a cheap shot artist”
Citation please.
One nutslap is too many. You can call out Glenn as well, but I doubt you will. He feels the same way I do.
I am not defending hitting a guy below the belt,
I am questioning whether it was intentional or not.
As for a citation:
Yep… that’s exactly what he did.
Happens all the time in street ball…
To me this says that he is playing dirty. I simply have not seen that in his time here at UK. If you are saying I will not challenge Glenn, you haven’t followed all of the threads on this board. I consider any post here fair game to a rational counter opinion.
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Tebus Christ!
“Yep… that’s exactly what he did.” – Me
“To me this says that he is playing dirty.” – You
Based on my own words, I have stated only that he played dirty on one play (not that he is playing dirty). He clearly intended to smack his nuts. I’d bet anything on it.
If my words are going to be misunderstood, then I am clearly wasting my time.
Again,
I like to deal in proof. You are giving you opinion which is what we do here, but it is just opinion. If he clearly intended to commit that foul, the refs should have thrown him out. I certainly hope they made their call based on a better angle than the TV replay gave us.
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I think the refs made the right call.
To me it was like a slap on the elbow as the opponent shoots the ball. Jordan did that all the time. It’s gamesmanship.
Hitting the nuts is more than a foul, but less than being tossed. It was so small that no one noticed (except for the carrier of the nuts) and the refs had to go back to review. The right call was made.
I’d love to hear Teague’s explanation of the nutslap if it wasn’t intentional. “I was losing my balance and as I was falling I caught myself on his nuts.”
This
Though the actual contact is blocked on the replay, you can see Teague’s arm start to extend in a quick jab. Definitely intentional, definitely cheap, but definitely not equivalent to fighting, or a punch. The right call was made, and Teague should have apologized. But it was a heat of the moment thing, so I’m not inclined to form a complete judgment on his character for it.
Yay, intelligence!
Totally agree. I don’t know if Teague is a good guy or bad guy (though I am leaning a certain way based on what I’ve seen). I’ve just given up hope for him to be a B-grade PG this year. Maybe next year.
I can’t wait to see Harrow!!
Just a little love tap - didn't the guy wear a cup
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
They get a pass this time...
but no more after this. These “kids” are 18-21 years old. They are the best of the best. Many of them will become multi-millionaires very soon. Using the excuse of youth and inexperience is getting tiresome. The real problem, as with most UK teams in the recent past, is the lack of urgency, motivation and will to destroy the opponent in the first half.
If it’s me, each and every game I am coming out of the locker room as if it’s the national title game. I want to win every game by 30+ points. Every game is a tryout for the NBA. To coast through games is to potentially cost yourself a fortune.
What does it say that this team has failed to cover the spread in the vast majority of the games?
I understand we’re all UK fans here, but we need to demand more. No more giving free passes because of “youth.” Someone, other than Cal, has to demand better. They can, and should, be better.
Now they know what it’s like on the road in the SEC. Show me something, boys. Struggling against Auburn is not satisfactory.
A problem of the recent past?
Joe B. used to complain about the lack of killer instinct. Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.
Who care whether the odds makers slightly misjudge the matchup? Perhaps I’m underestimating the extent to which our fans bet on the games. Is that big business in Kentucky, the way football betting is down south?
And the fans have no business demanding better from the players. You might not have noticed, but the players don’t take kindly to fan criticism. We don’t have their back, and so forth. No, that’s Cal’s jurisdiction, not ours. If we feel we have to demand more from the players, we’re simply expressing our dissatisfaction with the coach. And I couldn’t be happier with the one we have.
by Wheatgerm on Jan 12, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
To each his own, I reckon
I demand better from the players. You don’t have to. And if T. Jones or Teague is bothered by my demands, tough. Grow a pair, son.
"And the fans have no business demanding better from the players...
…the players don’t take kindly to fan criticism." What? Are you referring to the same players who are mere months away from the studs, fans, and large paychecks of the NBA?
To each his own, I reckon
I demand better from the players. You don’t have to. And if T. Jones or Teague is bothered by my demands, tough. Grow a pair, son.
You demand? What are going to do,
hold your breath until you turn blue? I think you are a victim of unrealistic expectations. Whether you like it or not, this is a young team, they all will be while Cal is here, and the learning curve is steep. UK is not the only team encountering tough games on the road and many of the other highly ranked teams are much older in terms of personnel. 30 point blowouts will do nothing but set a team up for a big letdown. Learning to scratch out a victory on the road is tourney preparation at it’s best.
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by kywineman on Jan 12, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Aww...
I shed a tear for the challenges these guys face. They are young! Boo hoo. They are on the road! Sad face.
Since we’re judging by degree of difficulty, I think Wiltjer gets player of the year honors. He’s young (gasp!). He’s unathletic (double gasp!). And he has to play tough competition (egads!). The fact that he gets out of bed in the morning is enough success for me to award him POY honors.
You left out the fact that he is 18 and, obviously,
unlike you, not perfect.
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Please kywineman. No one believes they are perfect here.
We can all state our opinions as long as we don’t throw stones at other members. Okay?
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We can defend ourselves here,
I hate to see stones thrown at the players.
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by kywineman on Jan 12, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree with Wineman
Your sarcasm is reprehensible. Let Cal be the judge of who is and who isn’t cutting the mustard.
by Big Blue Daddy on Jan 12, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you to some extent here
and I think it would get a better reception if it were presented…differently.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
by kcgard2 on Jan 12, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Cal just summed us up perfectly with this ...
We are third in the nation in scoring margin and our fans are wondering why we aren’t winning by 40. I love it! That’s what makes this Kentucky.
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by a2d2 on Jan 12, 2012 2:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Basketball
I love this site because we talk basketball rather than devolve into personal attacks on each other. The conversation today is leaning towards the latter.
I "stalked" this site for Most of last bball season
Because I wanted a site that wasn’t nasty and hyper critical of others opinions. I wanted to post my thoughts and views without being ridiculed and belittled. I found that here. Please let’s continue having fun and let our love of Kentucky unite us. That’s all!
by KYGRLNNM on Jan 12, 2012 9:32 PM EST reply actions 2 recs

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