Conference Realignment: Whither The SEC
by Glenn Logan on Sep 18, 2011 7:01 PM EDT
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PrintNow that the Pittsburgh Panthers and the Syracuse Orange have bidden a fond farewell to the Big East, what's next for the SEC? The SEC has provisionally picked up Texas A&M, but at this point in time lacks the 14th member, and certainly doesn't seem to be aggressively looking for 16 like the ACC now appears to be doing.
There are a few things that occur to me after this move:
- Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson and Virginia Tech all previously mentioned as possible SEC additions, now appear to be off the table with the unanimous agreement to raise the cost of departure from the ACC;
- The Big East appears to have only one truly interesting football program left, namely West Virginia, who have to be considered the presumptive favorite to be team #14 in the SEC;
- The Big East is still a viable conference even after it loses all three schools, assuming the Big 12 continues its slow disintegration. They could replace up to four departing members from the leavings and scrapings of that conference.
- UConn has been mentioned as aggressively applying for ACC membership. That would put the ACC as the undisputed best basketball conference around.
- It's getting harder to see how the SEC gets to 16 teams without taking at least two more from the Big 12, or *gasp* Louisville.
- If the SEC doesn't want to be scraping the bottom of the barrel, it needs to make a move right now. Getting to 16 SEC teams could get hard if they wait much longer.
- This isn't Monopoly, it's Risk.
I have no idea how all this will shake out, but I think we are living in those "interesting times." Texas and Oklahoma, assuming they don't eventually decide to stay where they are, could be headed in different directions -- Texas to the ACC and OU and Oklahoma State to the Pac-12. Or, they could all head to the Pac-Gynormous together. Who can say at this point.
What do you think?
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I say we gut the Big 12.......
and throw a line in a couple other directions. Like say the Big East.
Texas, Oklahoma, OSU, Mizzou, Louisville, Miami……..throw an invite at all of them and take all that will come
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 18, 2011 7:40 PM EDT reply actions
WVU also, if you are so inclined
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 18, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
My most likely are WVU and Missouri....
I wouldn’t be shocked to hear Rutgers’ name get thrown around simply for the market
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I've never understood why "16" is the magic number
Every article I’ve read and every person I’ve heard has quoted that number as if it is either obvious fact or self-evidently true, but I don’t see how 16 is better than 14, except that you would have 2 divisions with an even number of teams vs 2 with an odd number. But having an odd number of teams in a division is not a problem scheduling-wise the way having and odd number of teams in a conference is.
Anyway, West Virginia seems all but inevitable at this point. I don’t see Louisville – the SEC doesn’t gain anything by adding them. Missouri is probably worth pursuing from a TV market standpoint (and that’s all that really matters here – it’s not about athletic program quality).
1/x doesn't die, it just fades away.
I dont think it's a "magic number" thing anymore
It seems to me that no conference can sit by right now and let other conference’s cherry pick available teams. This is about keeping up with the Jones’ and it seems that means getting to 16 teams.
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But why is the number 16 and not 14? or 18? or 20?
At some point early on in the process “16” was the number arrived at as the proper size for a super conference, but I’ve never read nor heard any reason as to why this is the case.
1/x doesn't die, it just fades away.
One more thing
It’s serendipitously absurd that the people looking to demolish the traditional school/conference structures are the same people who defend the bowl system against a playoff by citing tradition.
That has nothing to do with anything really, I just find it odd unsurprisingly hypocritical.
1/x doesn't die, it just fades away.
I dont even listen to those that argue against a playoff anymore
every one of their arguments can easily be worked out.
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How about inviting WV and Kansas and then either Kansas State or Missouri
Having Kansas would make the league somewhat more viable from the quality BB end of it.
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Yeah.
This is a football league, though.
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by Glenn Logan on Sep 18, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Glenn, you truly don't understand the big picture.
As other conferences are positioning themselves for expansion, the SEC is being methodical. Why should the SEC jump through hoops to reach a certain number of members when other conferences are still playing catch-up with what we have? We have Texas A&M coming aboard. If the big 12 implodes then we might ask Mizzou to join. Then maybe WVU and an ACC team. The ACC is upping the ante 3 million. Thats not a lot considering what universities pull in these days. If we were so inclined to reach a certain number, we would have already reached it. Mike Slive has a plan and its being followed to a T.
Okay.
I can’t gainsay you on that, perhaps he is. It just looks to me like the ACC members have pretty much decided not to be poached and to hang with them, no matter what the SEC does. That’s my perception based on what is happening.
If that turns out to be wrong, then I suppose there is no rush.
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The ACC is going by the old saying....
The best defense is to go on offense. It might work but no one has approached an ACC team to leave their conference yet. At least we haven’t heard of it yet.
by burmbuster on Sep 19, 2011 1:19 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Bologna
Plenty of rumors had FSU, Clemson, and VaTech as major SEC targets for expansion. The ACC upping the requirements to leave is their effort to maintain the 12 they have. Going aggressively after Pitt and Cuse is the first step in showing their member schools that they are serious about remaining as a power conference.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Again, no one knows that for sure
As you said, it’s a “rumor”
by burmbuster on Sep 19, 2011 6:39 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
This option would NOT favor UK, but how about this scenario?
Texas A & M, Oklahoma, Kansas, & Missouri all join the SEC, & are placed in the SEC West. 2 traditional football powers with a huge TV market addition w/ Texas, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, Kansas City, & St. Louis market additions.
SEC West = Texas A & M; Oklahoma; Kansas; Missouri; Arkansas; LSU; Ole Miss; Miss. St.
Addition of Kansas greatly strengthens SEC in basketball, as does Mizzou, Okla & Texas A & M, to a much less degree.
Alabama & Auburn jointly move to SEC East, making SEC East: Alabama; Auburn; Vandy; Tennessee; Kentucky; Georgia; Florida; & South Carolina.
A MAJOR powerhouse division for football (UK would have to hugely increase investment in football, or die).
Just a thought.
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Oklahoma seems not to be interested at all in the SEC, and my understanding is that wherever OU goes, Oklahoma State will follow. At least that’s the conventional wisdom. OU seems interested only in the Pac-12 at this point.
But you’re right, that would be a favorable football conference for the SEC, no doubt about it. I’d love to see it happen. Maybe OU will change its mind.
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My understanding is...
…that the SEC is not interested in Oklahoma State, either, and OU and OSU appear to be very much tied at the hip. They SEC would be willing to take OU, but not OSU. Thus, OU has little interest in the SEC.
I also think that Bob Stoops isn’t a fan of an SEC move. It’s his opinion that the ex-Big 12 and Pac-Whatever represent easier paths to the Championship game than the SEC gauntlet. Further, Stoops prefers to recruit west instead of east, so getting into the Pac-Whatever helps facilitate that.
Oops, I see you have been a member for a long time ...
… and just haven’t commented in a while. Well, thanks for commenting. :-)
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"UK would have to hugely increase investment in football, or die."
Would that happen? This is my fear.
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
I also don’t think the following schools get an SEC invite, just because they add nothing to TV market, current SEC schools in those states have nothing to gain & much to lose, &/or ACC buyout of $20 million: Clemson; Ga Tech; Florida St.; Miami; Louisville.
Again, just one man’s opinion; I could be wrong.
"Life should be fairways, greens, blue skies, & fresh powder."
Yeah ...
… I pretty much agree that it looks like ACC schools are out. Louisville would be like kissing your sister as far as market expansion goes.
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I wouldn't rule out ACC schools in the long term
I would rule out any immediate move from the ACC, due to the increased cost of escape. However, the ACC needs to upgrade football to keep from being the little sister of the other three super-conferences. If they don’t do that soon, look for FSU and Clemson to get itchy to move to the SEC if the SEC is at less than 16 teams. Rutgers and UConn wouldn’t count as upgrading football, IMO.
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by BlueCollarMan on Sep 19, 2011 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions
True, but Pittsburgh probably is, if not an upgrade, at least a peer.
Syracuse brings mainly basketball, but they have produced good football teams. But if they can’t win a lot in the Big East, they probably aren’t in the ACC.
The ACC is likely to try to pull in WVU, which would give them a bump. Word is that WVU is torn between the SEC and ACC.
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by Glenn Logan on Sep 19, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Texas, Oklahoma and West Virginia
Then we could come up with catchy division names like the Big Ten. The I married my Sister Division could have Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Auburn, Alabama and West Virginia. The I married my Cow Division would have Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vandy, LSU, Arkansas, A&M, Texas and Oklahoma.
Texas will never give up the Longhorn Network.
They don’t seem to be an option for the SEC under any circumstances as I understand it.
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in this new world of super conferences and all this other nonsense they might not have to
there may be a way to let them keep it……it’s at least a possibility worth exploring.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 19, 2011 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
You can trust me when I say ...
… it will never, ever, ever, ever, ever happen. Never.
Was I clear about that, or did I equivocate? :-)
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by Glenn Logan on Sep 19, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Let me ask you something, just for the sake of playing Devil's Advocate....
What would you have said about all of this conference realignment 20 years ago?
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 19, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know.
You would have had to ask me then, and I don’t make enough money to buy a wayback machine. :-)
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hehehe.....fair enough...
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 19, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Texas and Oklahoma
…both have permission from their regents to talk realignment, presumably with the Pac-12. Texas president and Pac-12 commissioner met in LA over the weekend. Okla St. has a regents meeting on Wednesday. The Longhorn Network would become one of several regional networks proposed within the Pac-16. They are also talking about dividing the league into four four-team pods. You play each team in your pod every year, and two teams in each other pod on a rotating basis. The thinking is Utah, Colorado, Arizona, ASU in one pod. Oregon, OSU, WSU and Washington. USC, UCLA, Cal and Stanford. Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Okla St.
We live in interesting times.
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by BlueCollarMan on Sep 19, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Glenn has it right
The chances of Texas going to the SEC is somewhere between 0 and 0.00000000001% percent.
I think you're too low...
It’s a small chance, but not that small.
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by SaturdayDownSouth on Sep 19, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Texas that stupid? Probably not.
The University of Texas has a continent sized ego, but aren’t they still going to want to have their rivalries? Yeah, they can have a grand old time playing Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State every year, but is that going to satiate Joe-Bevo’s itch? I don’t see it. Culturally, I think the Longhorns make a much better fit in the SEC. A yearly road trip to Fayetteville or Baton Rouge or College Station makes a lot more sense than a Greyhound to Corvallis or Walla Walla.
by chicagoblues on Sep 19, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
re #7 "this isn't Monopoly....
over on Capstone, Crimsonite comments on this article:
“Ok the ACC just one upped us. There won’t be any Fla St, Va Tech, North Carolina or Clemson coming to the SEC….. There isn’t shyt left in the current Big East except for West Virginia. However, I think most people have overlooked the fact that TCU will be joining the phantom Big East next year. Today they are suddenly available. There’s your Dallas market right there and one of the nations top 5 teams for the last 3 or 4 years. West Va and Auburn in the East. Texas A&M, TCU and Missouri in the West. There’s your SEC Super Conference. We pick up a top 5 football school, all of Texas, Missouri and the midwest, the East from North Carolina to Pennsylvania and Ohio. Football wise I’ll take TCU and WVU over Pitt and Syracuse any day. It’s coming. Get ready. RTR!”emphasis added
Now that would be interesting, now wouldn’t it?
Indeed it would.
Adding a TCU and WVU would make geographic sense, also.
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It's kissing your step sister
While I understand the many reason why the SEC would not want to extend an invite to Louisville, manly TV gains and UofK, I still see it as a viable option. There is no question that the SEC would benefit from a home/home Louisville vs. Kentucky basketball series. Not to mention Louisville has a 75 million dollar athletic department (ranked in the top 35 nationally), which includes quality baseball, soccer, women’s basketball and volleyball programs. The SEC tradition includes great rivalries, i.e. . . . Auburn vs. Alabama, Mississippi vs. Mississippi State, Florida vs. Tennessee, so why not make Kentucky vs. Louisville the next great conference rivalry. There appears to be great upside having the revenue that would be gained from two UofL vs. UofK basketball games and conference standing implications when they play in football. I think it more than makes up for the shared TV market.
It's all about the money...
…otherwise just leave everyone where they are. Louisville isn’t that big a media market and UK has it locked up anyway. UofL doesn’t add value, when value means more cash.
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by BlueCollarMan on Sep 19, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
no, but it would sure be satisfying to see them having to compete in the SEC every year like we have to
so we can stop hearing all this crap about how much better their program is…..lol
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 19, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
There's money here
There is plenty of money gains with a Louisville addition. 1) Louisville is a nationally recognized program that draws advertising dollars; 2) Major revenue dollar gains with a home / home UL vs. UK basketball series, with a third possible conference tournament meeting. (This adds value during tournament advertising time plus national exposure); 3) An already built in football rivalry that also draws national interest.
And you have to give Louisville this, they have made a major and long term commitment to football
Something we have failed to do.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 19, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point
However I don’t believe our football incompetence is a reason to admit UofL. Can a team get fired from the SEC? Maybe that team is us.
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by BlueCollarMan on Sep 19, 2011 8:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nope.
Founding members of long-time conferences don’t get fired. If they did, Vandy would have been gone long ago.
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by Glenn Logan on Sep 19, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeap. UK really has the Jefferson Co.locked up. 33% of basketball fans and 21% of football fans in the area cheer for UK.
http://blogs.courier-journal.com/ericcrawford/2011/09/15/the-c-j-vault-revisiting-the-uk-u-of-l-bluegrass-poll/
Real small metro area there too. Only 42 out of 366 metro areas in the US. Lexington is at 106.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas
These moves are much more about
football than basketball.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
I heard somewhere (cant remember where) that after these "super conferences" are set football may break away from the NCAA ....
While the other sports remain tethered to the NCAA …. is that possible?
This new group could initiate a playoff or pay their players or anything else they wanted to do. Sound far fetched??
If, for sake of argument, WVU is #14 and Missouri is #15
Then you are left with these possibilities based on Glen’s points above (i.e. no ACC teams):
Possibles:
TCU (Big East is falling apart)
Louisville
Unlikely:
Kansas/any other Big 12 not named above
Not a chance:
Cincinnati/Any other Big East team not named above
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Forgot to add:
This is also assuming that Oklahoma, Ok ST, Texas, and Tx Tech go to Pac-16 status
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Coop, I still think that OK/OKST can be had if the right talking is done......
putting them in the PAC20393736 means they will become a defacto west coast team. Although they play in the Central Time Zone, they will end up playing west coast timed games, which means they become a “watch later if you have time” kind of a program. Them playing in the East means they play at least half their games early in the day…..earlier game means more exposure to casual fans and viewers…..there are other points as well, but being out west has always had a sort of negative connotation that if pointed out and exploited might help swing them to us.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 19, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd take the two of them over Missouri, but I think that ship has sailed
Best guess is the SEC takes Missouri, the Big 10(11..12..) goes after Notre Dame and possibly Rutgers, The Big East cleans up what is left of the Big 12 with Kansas et. al.
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No Irish in the Big Ten
The Big Ten has been pursuing Notre Dame for decades. I can’t imagine why the Irish would do a volte face (I apologize; in my entire life I’ve never been able to use that phrase and couldn’t resist the temptation). But seriously, ND has never shown any interest in the Big Ten or any other conference in football. Missouri I could see, but their culture is more midwestern and not southern.
by chicagoblues on Sep 19, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I would agree if the climate was not changing
The thing is, if we are on the way to the 16 team super conferences, Notre Dame may be forced to join a league or get left out in the cold.
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Notre Dame has been out in the cold all along.
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by Glenn Logan on Sep 19, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree
The Golden Dome doesn’t hold the sway it once did. In this new 4 conference iteration of the BCS, I see no reason for Notre Dame to get a seat at the table.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Notre Dame will go Big East after all of the fallout, just like their basketball
Requiring schools to bring all of their programs into the conference is going to be one of the staples of this new deal when it all shakes out I believe
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 19, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think there will BE a Big East after its all over for ND to join
Now that the ACC has made their play, I think the four “Super Conferences” will be the PAC, the B1G, the SEC, and the ACC. There is no room for the Big XII or the Big East.
Their only hope would be to try to salvage what’s left of the Big XII and the Big East and hope that they can maintain BCS stature.
Somehow, I don’t see anyone bending over backwards to make sure that UofL, Cincy, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, Baylor, and TCU get a BCS bid. They certainly shouldn’t call themselves the Big East at that point considering that none of the football members will be west of the Appalaichians.
Notre Dame will join the B1G or they will become irrelevant.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
If you are not looking at the TV markets, you are looking at this wrong.
Neither Louisville nor West Virginia are coming to the SEC. Both want to come, but each will get a busy signal when they call the league offiice as neither brings any new TV markets (heck, the entire state of West Virginia has a small and diminishing population). Out of the Big 12, Kansas and Missouri are both options as they expand the brand into the midwest. Twenty million is one year’s worth of “current” tv money for SEC teams. If the SEC truly wishes to expand east (and the booming population markets in Virginia and North Carolina indicate that they do) the SEC will and the money will not be a bar. Frankly, the moves by the ACC were to cripple the Big East and guarantee that replacements for the ACC exist.
WVU does get you to the edge of the DC market though
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
wvu has a lot to offer
…..we may not have a huge tv market, but we do have a lot to offer. first off, regional rivalaries with UK and UT could be very good. the wvu/uk basketball games in the tourney were huge draws and showed the possibility of a good rivalry between the fans. lots of kentucky people live in wv, vice versa. wvu fans are also found in droves along the east coast, you said it youself, the wv population is diminishing, lots of wv’ians leave the state, but never stop supporting wvu. its why we are a huge draw in the DC tv market, ny, etc. furthermore, wv is also “southern” in culture. our fans our are diehard. we do very well in merchandise sells. Now for the best two reason. WVU fans travel and travel well, all you have to do is look at our bowl history (k, laugh cause we lose a lot), but we travel very well and hence are always “poached” in bowl season. when wv doesnt get the bcs, we usually play in a much bigger bowl than our big east ranking would deserve. wvu vs fla state 2 years ago a prime example, we should have been in a lower bowl but our travelings fans and tv audience got us a bigger bowl. if your looking at teams that arent in the deep south…who better to have than wvu who’s fans will show up for the road games. furthermore, we’ve shown over the last few years we can beat or at least compete with SEC teams in one off games (we havent shown it week in and week out, but thats not our fault. maybe this has been in the working for some time…last 4 years we’ve played two of the best teams the sec has to offer in home/away. before that, we also played miss state, so thats 6 years running we’ve played sec teams home/away. we beat miss state twice, auburn 50/50 (we were up 21 to 0 at auburn before we selfdestructed), 0 for 1 to lsu, but this sat, they come wv.
second. basketball, i know this is all about football, but wvu would add a growing powerhouse in basketball and access to the northeast tv markets for basketball.
by wos day yank on Sep 19, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Not disagreeing with anything you say re: WVa.
My point is that the quality of the schools facilities, its natural rivals, its beig an up and coming program are all irrelevant. How many new cabs subscribers you can bring to the dance is the only thing that counts. Otherwise, Boise, Kansas and UOf L would be sitting pretty.
by wklawdog on Sep 20, 2011 2:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Great Article Glenn
It will be interesting to see how all of this shakes out in the upcoming weeks and the next few years…
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by SaturdayDownSouth on Sep 19, 2011 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks.
Well, it should be interesting for us all.
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UK fired from SEC?
I know football drives the economic bus, but there is NO way the SEC would ‘fire’ UK; the money made from men’s basketball, albeit small vs. that of football, has to be a major consideration, & UK alone powers that economic machine in basketball. Could you imagine an SEC men’s tournament without BBN? Where UK’s fans historically outnumber the other 11 schools combined, even in ‘down years’ like from ’06 to ’09?
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If that were true...
Don’t you think Kansas would have a home right now?
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Here is an interesting School to consider
TCU. I know that they are set to join the Big East next season but if that conference falls apart they will be left without a home. They are located in Fort Worth, which is basically Dallas, so the market is there (even if they aren’t first draw there). That would add another Texas school and an up and comer as well.
Obviously, I do not know legally how their situation would be affected if the conference falls apart. Just a thought.
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y'all sound like NCAA tourney committee
lets put them here, and them over there…oh wait…lol
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