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Kentucky Football: Open Letter To Joker Phillips

Dear Joker:

How are you this morning?  Not so well, I'll bet, and if it makes you feel any better, you have plenty of company.  A lot of us out here in the Big Blue Nation are waking up to the reality that our football team not only lost to the Louisville Cardinals, a program most of us despise in the deepest depths of our immortal souls for the first time in five years and in our home stadium, but that at the present moment, our prospects for a winning season this year look about as bleak as can be .  Even if you don't share the latter opinion, as a former player, you can surely appreciate the former.

Look, Joker, I'm going to talk to you like a Dutch uncle.  First of all, I want to tell you that I'm a supporter, and I like you.  I want you to coach at Kentucky for a long time and cover the Wildcats in glory, or at least in respectability.  I know this isn't news to you, but what has happened on the football field so far this year, and much of last, is the antithesis of that.  It isn't just the Louisville loss, it's the fact that from an offensive standpoint, our team is offensive all right, just not in a good way.

I totally understand that we are not Alabama or Florida, and we don't get that many exciting players in every year.  I get that, and as a UK fan, I appreciate why that is.  But let's be honest, Joker, your senior-dominated offensive line, whom many picked as one of the best in the SEC this year, couldn't make a hole with a John Deere backhoe.  Plunging your running backs into the open arms of linebackers is just not a recipe for success in the SEC, or anywhere else, I presume.

Star-divide

Last year, we had Randall Cobb and Derrick Locke, and those guys alone gave us a chance to pile up yards in every game.  This year we have Morgan Newton and La'Rod King, and so far against two inferior and one equal competitor, we have rolled up an impressive total of 58 whole points, dead last in the SEC.  Don't get me started on offensive numbers -- I'm sure you know as well as I do that their suckage is unprecedented in recent UK history.

Joker, your offense is about as exciting as a Roman Catholic priest at a Holy Roller revival.  You have us all speaking in tongues, all right, but in the rest of America, that tongue is known as "profanity."  When you have a line that can't block for the run, it only makes sense to change your offense accordingly. At this point, I'm not sure what you change it to, but that's why we pay you and your staff. Come up with something to keep us fans interested, for heaven's sake.  Right now, your offense is just barely more compelling than watching a Chia Pet grow, and the only time it has been exciting to even a limited degree was when we were trying to come back from a two-touchdown hole.

Now, I'm not expecting you to run the Hal Mumme Air Raid, although I would welcome it over what we've seen so far.  One thing I can say about the Mumme years is that we didn't have to conscript fans to the stadium to fill it for our biggest rival.

But I am asking you to adapt your offense to the players you have.  If you want to know how to do that, just walk over to the Joe Craft center and talk to our basketball coach, the famous innovator of the Dribble Drive Motion offense.  He has basically thrown his much-vaunted DDM offense in the dust bin the last two seasons, and run a low post offense in one and the pick-and-roll in the other, and he's done okay.  I know his talent is better than yours, and I know football has a lot more moving parts than basketball, but surely some adjustments can be made.

They say that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.  Now, maybe that truism doesn't apply to football, but all I can tell you is that continued "success" on the level you are enjoying it right now is a one-way ticket to an offensive coordinator's job at Morehead State.  You're better than that, and it's high time you start proving it.

Thanks for listening to me rant.  We are behind you right now.  We want you to succeed.  Don't lose us.  Please.

Sincerely,

Glenn Logan

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I like what you are trying to say Glenn,

But he isn’t better than that. Cobb and Locke, that shounds like a law firm, made Joker look good last year. And last year, UK wasn’t all that good. And this year, UK is horrible. There isn’t any positives. Hal Mumme’s teams might of lost a lot of games, but they scored 40pts losing those games. Brooks might of had a losing record in the SEC, but he did beat teams like LSU from time to time, and dominated UL. And Brooks was a much better recruiter and game planner. He was a better coach. And I am not a Brooks fan. So I do believe that Joker isn’t better than what you think. He isn’t a very good coach, and UK isn’t a very good team. Joker will be bringing that lambs to the slaughter when SEC play begins. UK should fire him at seasons end and go hire somebody that knows how to win, or at least put some points on the board and make the game competitive and fun to watch. I think Mike Leach is waiting by the phone.

by ScottWalls on Sep 18, 2011 10:50 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't agree with any of that.

First of all, Phillips was the primary recruiter during the Brooks years, and the talent we have gotten in the last two has been better than almost any year under Brooks, at least on paper. It’s always a crap shoot to see how that’s going to shake out on the field.

As to whether Phillips is a good coach or not, I really can’t say. He’s only been here one year, and he did about the same thing as Brooks did at UK. This year is looking to be a big step back at this point, but the season isn’t over yet, and we did beat ranked South Carolina last year, something Brooks never did in his entire tenure at UK.

So I guess we’ll just agree to disagree.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Sep 18, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you agree with some of what I am saying, ask yourself these questions...

So you think UK was good last year? How about this year? You think Joker is a better coach? Do you think UK has a chance in the SEC? UK just got beat by a team that allowed FIU to sack their QB 6 times. How many times did UK touch UL’s QB? The coaching staff is the problem. The UK administration needs to treat football like they do basketball. They fired Billy G. after 2 years, and look how that worked out. I am sure some people were against it, but it was the right call. How many years does Joker need to prove that he can put a team on the field that looks like they know how to play football? I mean if he has recruited more talent to UK than Brooks ever did, than why does this team stink? I am not an expert when it comes to football, but there is one thing I do know. Good coaching plus good talent makes a team competitive. Might not always win lots of games or a NC, but almost always competitive. Something is missing from this team, even more so than last year, and I think it is the coaching staff. I am pretty sure it is the coaching staff. I know it is the coaching staff.

by ScottWalls on Sep 18, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Answers:
  • UK was about the same last year as the year before
  • “Better?” I don’t know. Brooks wasn’t so hot at first, and has been at it a lot longer. One year is simply not enough time to make a rational, informed judgment
  • Not this year. Not any year. We haven’t had a chance in the SEC since 1984, and I don’t think we’ll finish higher than third in the East for the foreseeable future.

The coaching staff may or may not be the problem, but they certainly have issues. Certainly Joker deserves more than two years, one of which was as good as most of his predecessors, to prove himself.

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by Glenn Logan on Sep 18, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Joker can become a "Manager" type coach?

He did bring in a new D-coordinator to shake things up. If he were to bring in a young, innovative offensive mind after this season, I would be willing to support that direction. He’s not been a afraid to make changes.

by John Gilbreath on Sep 18, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

All I know ...

… is that the offense has to change if UK is going to succeed. Change to what, I don’t know, but Randy Sanders is not getting it done calling the plays. When you don’t have a lot of playmakers, you have to get the football to the ones you have, however creatively. Plunging running backs into the line for 2 plays and then throwing the football only works if your line can open holes.

This line can’t, at least they haven’t so far.

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by Glenn Logan on Sep 18, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Folks lets just get back to Basketball and forget about the annual struggle and agony we all suffer with the FB program

I’ll never live long enough (69 currently) to see the day when we’ll be competive against the top boys in SEC FB.

A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!

by KansasUKCat on Sep 18, 2011 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I probably won't either.

It’s difficult to move up in a conference like this.

I just want us to be competitive. I don’t think we are this year, if these three games are my only barometer.

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by Glenn Logan on Sep 18, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't give up

I agree with your letter and with your points. I want Kentucky football to be successful. Go Cats!

by SaturdayDownSouth on Sep 23, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well done Glenn

I’m hanging on. I can see a rope to grab on to.
I have nothing else to add here. My morning rants are all spent.

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Sep 18, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

double damn rite!!

"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.

by kydamcat on Sep 18, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Same

I’ll stay behind them all the way and watch every game!

by Ky4x4 on Sep 18, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

During Brooks tenure the lowpoint came at a beatdown by LSU.

Will we look back at this fiasco as the turning point in Joker’s tenure? We can only hope Joker has the huevos to turn this offense on its head and install a system that uses the talents he has on the roster. Let me say, I was excited when Joker was named coach and hope as much as anyone that this potential feel good story of his success comes to fruition.

Jumping on the “fire Joker” bandwagon would be very easy but he still is only working on year #2 and he can’t be so easily dismissed, even at seasons end. I’ll fully back him for this year and wish him and his team nothing but the best; however, the clock has begun on him making the giant strides required to get this program to field a respectable product. I’m not establishing championships as the criteria for success, only competitiveness. We are nowhere close at this point.

Joker is riding the Newton train to Armageddon so far. I’m waiting to see the "improved" Newton we’ve heard so much about. Opening drive of the game – fantastic. Very composed and in command of the offense. Then some, shall we say, interesting play calling that backfires gets him frustrated and he goes into a funk. When he goes south the offense falls apart, he’s not leading. I really wish I could see games in person to watch him off the field. Every time the cameras catch him on the sidelines he’s being stroked by Martin and Woodson. Is that a leader? He should be rallying his teammates, creating urgency, showing some emotion; not just sulking like a kid that had his favorite toy taken away.

barnhart needs to get Dr. Phil for this team. Like many of you, I had high hopes for Joker and thought it would be a great story "when" he gets success. Hopefully, he’ll get there, there’s still a chance. Realistically, something has to change – playcalling, quarterback, schemes, attitude, something.

Simply give us a quarterback that leads the team, through ups and downs, one that can avoid the sacks, one that can work with ALL his receivers. I simply don’t understand why others aren’t put into game conditions to see how they produce. I certainly hope its not pride preventing Joker from admitting that maybe other personnel and offensive schemes could work better than our current design. Could it really be worse than what we’ve seen these last three games?

Simply give us an attack that uses our strengths. Joker said he’s been building team speed but our offense looks like it was designed in the Big 10. Try some motion, different formations(two backs, pistol, wildcat…), maybe our great line would be more productive in a faster styled offense, look at the success you had finally using the TEs. Try something different. Oh, and "mobile" quarterback does not necessarily mean designed running plays out of the shotgun. Get that talented line and Newton out into rolling pockets, misdirection, anything but at least don’t make it so easy for the defense.

Joker has been fully involved and at times in charge of recruiting over the last 5 years. These are his players and by all accounts they are better than what we have historically recruited. In his words they are bigger, stronger and especially faster than what we’ve had before. There is still time to produce, the season is young.

Don't take life too seriously; no one gets out alive.

by hoboat33 on Sep 18, 2011 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree with your point of view. I'm hoping that Joker succeeds here, and I've been a

suppporter from the get-go. But, this season is so bad that I am losing hope. Last week, I overheard two young men talking about SEC football in the work breakroom (I live in Alabama). One said to the other “well if so-and-so joins the SEC, who should go?”. The second fellow thought a minute and said “Kentucky would be my choice”. As far as SEC football, these kids think UK is the “throw away” team. It hurts to know that supporters of other SEC programs feel that way about UK football We expect more than that from UK athletics.

by bluegrassgal on Sep 18, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you are a Florida, Alabama or Tennessee - Kentucky is a gimme game...!

We are in the record books as having the first and second active longest losing streaks in the NCAA to first Tennessee and than Florida and it will continue to grow this year.

A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!

by KansasUKCat on Sep 18, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well written Glen. You don't tell your opponent you are going

run your quarterback and try to do it when he can’t run it. Maybe Morgan can run against our defense in practice but that does not look to hard to do. Set running plays for Morgan do not look to be the cure but Morgan should be able to run out of the pocket when all of the receivers are covered and it would make our offense much stronger. The coaches telling us all pre season how good our “O” is has turned out to be a very large disappointment and makes it hard to believe anything the coaches tell us. I understand the injuries but if they are so good then they are suppose to have the depth because you can’t be the strength of the team if you don’t have depth in football. I am very frustrated with the play calling and I think it is time for Joker to start calling the plays. We new our offense was not very strong but our defense looked to be much improved, especially against the run, until yesterday. The defense didn’t do their job and we lost. Minter had done a very good job of making adjustments in the previous two games, but yesterday that didn’t happen.

by Grasslands1 on Sep 18, 2011 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Newton is not as bad as everyone is saying.

His numbers were quite good. He has things to work on – like looking over the field, checking off, and his accuracy sure could be better. But his accuracy was pretty good last night, he didn’t throw a pick. He still suffered from a drop on a long pass play on the first pass of the game, then went 8 for the next 8. Two complete passes were fumbled near the red zone resulting in a turnover and of course the end of the game first down became a fouth down.

I am ok with Newton. The O-line and receivers (and play calling) are a different story.

by JackBluto on Sep 18, 2011 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

To the contrary.

Newton has been fine, if inconsistent. He just needs more time to become a good QB. The question is, can anybody help him, especially the O-line.

Just as you say.

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by Glenn Logan on Sep 18, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not emotionally invested in this year's version of the WIldcats....

I dont ‘expect’ them to win each week, so I don’t take it so hard. I keep reminding myself that this is UK football. You hope for the best but fear the worst. UK just doesn’t have the horses to compete with the big boys. They have enough talent to compete with UofL but their players have come together faster than ours. You just have to know who you are and right now we are SEC bottom feeders.

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Sep 18, 2011 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Who We Are?

Seven says we need to know who we are and I agree!

Who we are is a school that named Joker as the coach in waiting in order to provide continuity in the program. I personally HATED the concept but in theory it was to continue or even BUILD on what Coach Brooks had accomplished. The comparison of Joker’s first year+ and Coach Brook’s same period just isn’t valid. Coach Brooks was cleaning up a mess and almost starting over. Joker had at least the foundation of several years of relative success. Yes we lost some very important players but what college team doesn’t year to year? Strong comes into a HUGE mess at UofL and yet with a backup QB playing most of the game puts up 4 touchdowns against a home team that would have trouble scoring against Trinity HS. Our best defense was the whistle guy!!

Who we are is a school where we whine about this but it will probably go on for at least another 2 years.

Who we are is a school where football brings in 35% of revenues compared to men’s bb bringing in 21%. YET…….wait for it……..WE SPEND ALMOST A $MILLION MORE ON B-BALL!!! Admittedly my business degree is from UofL but where in the wide wide world of business does this make sense??

Who we are is a school where this makes PERFECT sense!!

Who were are is a school that plays in the toughest football conference in the country and yet we act as if it’s a cost of doing business so we can play b-ball in the same conference. We seem to have an almost institutional acceptance of mediocrity in the football program as long as we have b-ball season to look forward to.

Who we are is IU in blue or Duke in darker blue!!

Finally in my humble opinion….who we are is a football program going in one direction while our little brother’s program is going in a very different direction.

You can't fix "stupid"!

by UKlvrJM on Sep 18, 2011 3:31 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Couldn't agree more

It is time to stop sugar coating the disaster that is UK football.

by ScottWalls on Sep 18, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've said before on here, at least UL tries to succeed at FB - they just can't hang on to a good coach

UL is a mid-major in FB that tries their damnest to upgrade to the big time but these good coaches they get use them as stepping stones to bigger and better programs. But saying that, at least they try..!

Kentucky has an extremely loyal FB fan base and during all these rough times, they continue to hang in there. The administration knows this and are satisfied with the status quo as long as the fans continue to attend games and continues to follow the team to all these very minor bowls. They see no valid reason to change.

A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!

by KansasUKCat on Sep 18, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lousiville's football program is not getting better than us.

All you have to do is look at their recruiting. It’s right on par with ours. Kentucky lost that game for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is that this offensive line, which was supposed to be among the best in the SEC, has been anything but so far. But this was just one game, not the third game in a row we lost to Louisville. All I see in this commentary is pessimism piled on top of pessimism, and to me, that isn’t really a good way to be.

No, UK will never compete for tops in the SEC in football just as Auburn will never compete in basketball. Deal with it. I have. It really isn’t that hard. I have written endlessly about this, and everybody tells me how it can happen. A great coach won’t help, even if UK were prepared to pay one, which they are not. It hasn’t helped South Carolina, even if they have been good a couple of years in Spurrier’s tenure, but only a couple. If you think they will win the SEC this year, you are kidding yourself. And they won’t win next year, either. Or the next.

You simply cannot compete with schools who’s main focus is football, just as they really can’t compete with us in basketball. We are never going to be able to compete with Alabama, or LSU, or Florida, or even Tennessee on a consistent basis. It is what it is.

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by Glenn Logan on Sep 18, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are very few school that compete in both FB and BB at a very high level.

Those that do, started out as FB schools, make a ton of money in FB, and are applying some of it to BB. Who do I mean? Texas, Florida, Ohio State, and sometime back, Michigan. It does not work the other way around. UNC, IU, Duke, UL and UCLA are still nothing special in FB.

by JackBluto on Sep 18, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

A great coach won't help?

When was the last one we had? Oh yeah that guy from Maryland. Seems like he did pretty well while at UK before going on to legendhood!!!! You always use SC as the example of a great coach not succeeding but haven’t they beat us EVERY year he’s been there? Ask Georgia fans what they think.

You’re also ignoring that in theory Joker should have been several rungs up on the ladder from where Strong started at UofL. Even saying the recruiting was even tells you that something is wrong with this picture.

You listed several SEC powerhouses that YES…..we will NEVER compete with head to head in football but barely beating 2 pitiful programs and then loosing to UofL? I don’t know of ANY UK fan that expects UK to compete for the SEC championship on a regular basis but if that idiot coach last week hadn’t gone for it on 4th down….we’d be 1-2

Finally, I’ll bet you a $1 right now that UofL beats UK at pizza field next year. Go ahead and mail it!!!

You can't fix "stupid"!

by UKlvrJM on Sep 18, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'll just agree to disagree.

And I don’t wager on college sports.

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by Glenn Logan on Sep 18, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, there was supposed to be a :-) after that last sentence.

Just joking a little there, a $1 friendly wager isn’t "betting on college sports, I know that. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Sep 18, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I'm stunned you won't agree with me

but at least I have the $1 to look forward to!! ;-)

You can't fix "stupid"!

by UKlvrJM on Sep 18, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS IS WHY

I don’t get it …. bottom feeders, lets just get back to basketball and happy with 6-7 seasons, because its better than 2-10. That statment makes me sick, maybe more so than most of you and I tell you why. I live in Florida about 30 mins outside of Gainesville(yes it sucks) and I can’t believe I’m saying this but maybe we can learn something from the swamp lizards. When I was a kid I went to every game I could when UK and UF played, and I always heard the same thing every year, after a basketball win it was " WAIT TILL FOOTBALL " and after football loss it was "THIS IS FOOTBALL COUNTRY ". They are a football school and we are a basketball school seems to be an acceptable answer, but is it, I dont think it is. How many basketball schools have 70,000 fans show up to watch a football game four times in 08 and 09 and three in 07? (just saying). But now they win at football and at basketball every year , so are they just a football school? The answer is, not anymore! The fans got tired of losing in basketball so UF went out and got a good basketball coach and I dont have tell you the rest. Now UF is a SEC dominant school and UK is still a basketball dominant school. Higher education means you’re smart enough to learn from your mistakes(just wondering how kentucky would be viewed if they would have bought 2 cadilacs back in the day, just saying). In the SEC you have to bring your football game, and we have brought it to some games in the past couple of years, but not every game for sure. So an open letter to Joker is needed, but the next open letter needs to be to Mitch.
 Dear Mitch,
   Go buy us a cadilac
                        with love for UK
                           a true fan

by Chris Burgin on Sep 18, 2011 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

You make me smile.

I appreciate your passion.

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by Glenn Logan on Sep 18, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The SEC Excuse
No, UK will never compete for tops in the SEC in football just as Auburn will never compete in basketball. Deal with it. I have….You simply cannot compete with schools who’s main focus is football, just as they really can’t compete with us in basketball. We are never going to be able to compete with Alabama, or LSU, or Florida, or even Tennessee on a consistent basis. It is what it is.

I hear this a lot, and do not necessarily completely disagree, but what does “The SEC Excuse” have to do with yesterday? Or the game before that? The last time our progam even played a SEC team was November 27, 2010. That is 295 days and 5 games ago.

So who have we played in the last 295 days?: Pittsburgh, Western KY, Central Michigan, and Louisville.

Last time I checked, none of those teams are in the SEC. Take a moment to really think about each of those games. Think about the last 295 days. Think about the state of the program.

Forget about ‘The SEC Excuse’ for just a moment.

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"I watch (UK) every night... I am going to support them for the rest of my life. I'm a Wildcat for the rest of my life." -- JWall, 2/8/11

by HSLex on Sep 18, 2011 6:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Your point is what?

That we’ve lost to two Big East schools and beaten two lesser schools ugly? And that defines “the state of our program?”

You’re welcome to that opinion, if you want it. I think our program is defined by more than that. But take whatever slice suits your argument, I really don’t mind.

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by Glenn Logan on Sep 18, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

What "argument", Glenn?

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I did not even state an opinion about anything. I just pointed out that one could look at the program beyond the comforting arms of the “poor little us in the big, bad SEC” excuse. And if one wanted to do that, a place they could look is the last 295 days.

And I actually intended your quote as a generic one, not really particular to you. As I stated, I “hear this a lot, and do not necessarily completely disagree”. It is is fairly common fallback.

As far as "slices’ and “arguments” go, my own opinion of the state of our program does include our conference play. Absolutely.

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"I watch (UK) every night... I am going to support them for the rest of my life. I'm a Wildcat for the rest of my life." -- JWall, 2/8/11

by HSLex on Sep 18, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, I just misunderstood your meaning.

The only thing Kentucky can really do in football, as far as I am concerned, is just be competitive. If we can ever get to that point on a consistent basis, pretty much like South Carolina has, I think I would be happy.

The last few years, we just haven’t been able to compete well in the SEC. We have pulled an upset or two, but until we are a dangerous team like we were in 2007 (and from what I’ve seen so far, we aren’t this year), UK fans are going to have to support the football team the way they always have — in spite of, and not because of its quality.

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by Glenn Logan on Sep 18, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Glenn, I knew you were going to reach the "boiling point" I just thought it would be later in the season.

As much as I appreciate A2 and a host of others putting their full weight of support behind football, I have to ask myself, "What would ParisGuy have done in this situation?

You and I both know that Joker is fighting a fire with a willow switch here. I pointed out to all who would listen before the season started that when you lose 78% of your offense, and you do not have experienced backups in place it would make for a long year, but I guess optimism superceeds common sense every year in July and August.

Bottom line is this, we are not going to beat anyone until this team finds it’s leadership. I think that Danny Trevathan and Winston Guy can fill that roll, but they must be willing to step on some toes (both coaching and players) and cross over into the offensive huddle and start challenging their manhood. We heard whispers of Randall Cobb and his “attitude” he expressed when last year’s group started dogging it when they needed to step up, and now we know that is exactly what is needed here. The only difference is that they need to start in Joker’s office and work their way down.

Like you, I have come to like Joker Phillips. If for nothing else, his reverence for all things Kentucky has to be admired. But Joker needs to understand this. For all of our hammering of Rich Brooks when he started, Brooks started from scratch with nothing but two sticks to rub together trying to get a spark. Joker inherited a fully functioning SEC football team with 3 straight trips to the best of the mediocre bowls, and a 3 year winning streak against Louisville. In one afternoon, on our home field, against an opponent which on paper was not as good, on record was not as good, and in reality was not as good, threw all of Rich’s progress out the window. Now, he can recover, but as of right now, the Cats are looking a losing season dead in the eye for the first time in what, 5 years?

We are not going back to the dark ages, just to let Joker get his feet wet. Too many impressive young coaches out there looking to make a name for themselves. Time to step up, or step off. His choice.

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 18, 2011 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow, WW....

… that is pretty darn good. All I can do is just give it a “rec” .

But I think you should break your comment silence next season after the catchy new slogan comes out. My early guess is that “Operation Win” and “Rise!” will be followed next season by something along the lines of “Phoenix Rising!”…

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"I watch (UK) every night... I am going to support them for the rest of my life. I'm a Wildcat for the rest of my life." -- JWall, 2/8/11

by HSLex on Sep 18, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

One last thing

When Steve Spurrier took over at South Carolina, he was supposed to lose in his first season. But instead South Carolina had a 5 game SEC winning streak, beat teams like UT and Florida, went to the Independence Bowl, and won SEC coach of the year. Last year South Carolina clinched the Eastern Division Championship by killing Florida 36-14 at the Swamp. South Carolina beat a #1 ranked team in Alabama, played in the SEC Champisonship game, and Spurrier was named Coach of the Year again.

So yeah Glenn, if UK could ever get to the point that South Carolina is at in the SEC, I think everybody and their cousin would be happy. If UK is playing in the SEC Championship game, than UK has a chance to play in a BCS Championship game. I would take what South Carolina is doing over beating them once every so often. And if you think UK has that potential, than you are agreeing with all of us. That is all we are saying. We just don’t think they have that potential with Joker. Nor did they with Brooks. I truly believe that a better coach can change that.

There is a reason that Spurrier was successful at Florida and now South Carolina. Same thing can be said about Nick Saban at LSU and Alabama. I don’t think it is coincidence nor do I think it is geography. It is knowing the game of football, and recruiting the best talent you can get to execute a good game plan. Even if UK can’t get the best talent in the land, they could get some really good talent with a big name coach at the helm. And several years of good talent that is coached up can turn into a team that can compete in the SEC.

by ScottWalls on Sep 19, 2011 1:04 AM EDT reply actions  

UK cannot get a coach like everyone seems to want.

I really don’t think the pay is the main reason. We are a basketball school. We have been for a long, long, long time. And for the most part, basketball reigns 365 days a year. Everyone on the planet knows this.

Most live for Midnight Madness, and would pay for tickets if they had to (it has been discussed before), and will turn down a free chance for the football version of MM. We are a basketball school.

When you think Alabama, do you think basketball? No. How about Oregon, Boise St, Syracuse, or Duke. Sure Billy D has tried, and been a bit successful, but football is still king in the Sunshine State. We are a basketball school.
That is all. :-)

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by a2d2 on Sep 19, 2011 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

no A2, it's not all.......

winning is about committment, and making a long term committment to success. SCarolina did it. Even N.Carolina did it. If hiring John Calipari taught us anything, it is that determination and building a winning brand is about mindset…….otherwise, Billy Clyde would have his picture everywhere holding an NCAA trophy.

It takes the right person. Not a “good” person, not an “acceptable” person…….it takes the right person with the right attitude, and the ability to turn a vision into reality. And we just don’t have that.

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 19, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is very easy to realize that a basketball team

With no more than 15 (Cal prefers 10) players is a whole lot easier to produce results than a football team with almost 100. A football team roster nearly quadruples the number of students a teacher is allowed to have in the state. There is a strong reason for that. Even I would be more able to get 10 people to think in unison than I could 100. Football is not as easy as basketball to show a difference.

*Looking for coop’s dead horse gif any minute now. :-)

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by a2d2 on Sep 19, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh I understand it is not as easy, but that does not mean it is not doable

and it’s not just aboout his coaching decisions…..

A really smart man once told me that a leader is only as successful as the people he, or she, surrounds themselves with. Surround yourself with the right people, your job becomes much easier.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 19, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

..

Call me not a true fan if you like but I stand by my assertion after the first two games of the year that this team will go 3-9. They’ve shown the same level of competitiveness in all three games this season and if that continues, which I have no reason to believe it won’t, they will not win a single game in the SEC.

Don’t get me wrong, I certainly want them to. I just don’t believe that they will do it.

by Clint Phelps on Sep 19, 2011 8:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I gave them a 5-7 at the beginning of the year, and I will hold with that for now

Joker may get them to wake up in a couple of weeks after they get beaten senseless a few times….sometimes players can shrug off a “close” loss. They get pummeled over and over for a while, they will begin to understand that they have to start meeting some expectations. Right now, they have no leadership…..none……that must change

And knowing reality does not make you a bad fan Clint…..just a practical one……although not a common occurrence at UK, certainly a refreshing one……lol

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 19, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I

genuinely hope you are correct that they wake up after getting pummeled. At this point I just have a see the performance to believe the performance attitude. Especially from our receivers and O-line in particular. And this might sound petty because he’s played relatively well considering but, for the love of football, someone tell Winston Guy that he has arms he can use to help when he tackles.

by Clint Phelps on Sep 19, 2011 8:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Ugh,

I can’t even reply correctly I’m so frustrated right now. I wish I could delete and move my comment ><.

by Clint Phelps on Sep 19, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

No need.

It happens a lot.

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by Glenn Logan on Sep 19, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

believe me, we are ALL frustrated right now.

I really thought that the days of senseless losses were over . I thought that Joker understood that he has to fill holes with not just decent guys, but with winners……We let a winner walk out, and thought we kept the better winner…..I am going to assume for discussion purposes that Joker saw something none of us did……

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 19, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've been a season ticket holder

for the last 7 years and I am not renewing next year as long as Joker is the coach. He called the game Sat night a game of missed opportunities…He basically described his whole tenure at UK. I can recall the last 2 UT games at home right now that we lost due to his play calling:

2007: Had the ball inside the 10 under a min in 4th qtr. He ran Rafeal Little up the middle 3 times in a row (and Little was hurt at the time).

2009: Had the ball inside the 15 under near end of 4th qtr. Cobb doesn’t touch the ball.

Sorry I’ve had it…If Boise State can beat the crap out of Georgia then why can’t we. Hell we are in the SEC! Speaking of Boise State, I think UK fans should keep the name Brent Pease tucked away in the back of our heads for future reference.

by uk_cantbestopped on Sep 19, 2011 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Not saying it couldn't happen, but honestly, coming here would be a downgrade for him

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 19, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pease

wants to be a head coach. I read in an article that he took the job as Indiana’s OC when they hired their new coach in Dec 2010, but less than a week later the Boise St OC position opened up and he went back to Boise (Good Move). He said the reason he took the IU job in the 1st place is because he badly wants to be a head coach. I also read in a different article that Pease stated he really liked Lexington and wished Guy Morris had never left for Baylor.

Coming from a program like Boise St (an underdog team who always play balls out and actually beat the top tradition schools) would be a great get for Kentucky. We need a coach with an “us against the world” attitude.

by uk_cantbestopped on Sep 19, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Joker will be here next year.

After that, it’s anybody’s guess.

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by Glenn Logan on Sep 19, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just want to say to everyone that is being mean to the coaching staff should check yourselves. I attended the UofL game saturday it was my first live game at commonwealth and I was devistated not by the play on the field but the support of our fans. I want everyone to think of every great football program in the country regardless of up or down years what’s the atmosphere, crazy, rabid,almost psycho fans and here all the other fans at the game are dogging our coach and our players and not even making the atmosphere anywhere a good recruit would want to come. I think we should step up and back are team good or bad high or low every play we can effect just as much as the players if we have their backs. I don’t know if you guys noticed but when we got behind the team when it was 10-24 we marched straight down the field scored and had a 3 and out on defense then drove right back down the field. By the way for all of you fans out there that ran out in the third quarter that is a disgrace to the program and the true fans. I also do pay respect to the student section you guys were great!!!! I am sorry for this rant but we were out cheered by Louisvilles small section of fans.

by hambizzy20us on Sep 19, 2011 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for your support. My thoughts as well.

Those of us that feel the same way, thank you.

And welcome to A Sea of Blue.

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by a2d2 on Sep 20, 2011 6:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry but

I’m not the typical UK football fan who is going settle for 6-6 every year. I want to see Kentucky win a SEC championship in football. I want to see Kentucky beat Tennessee and Florida again before I am 50 years old.

I just don’t see our current coaching staff taking us to the promised land.

By the way you can’t ask our fans to cheer when you run a draw play on 3rd and long every time. UL fans cheered louder because they were the better coached team and they had more to cheer for.

by uk_cantbestopped on Sep 20, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel you, brother.

But that is fantasy. UK will never be a consistent force in the SEC for all sorts of structural reasons.

I just want us to be competitive in every game, and if we are, we’ll win enough of them.

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by Glenn Logan on Sep 20, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of people

thought Boise St’s chances against OK a couple of years ago was fantasy. And they won. Same with Utah beating Alabama a couple of years ago. I know we have players that are as athletic as Boise St & Utah. Truth is their coaching staffs run a better system and knows how to coach their players to believe they can beat the traditional powerhouses. It’s us against the world, know let’s knuckle up like Rocky and take it to these powerhouse teams…I think the UK players had this mindset briefly back in 07, hence the video we believe by Marcus McClinton. But it has not carried over from that time.

To me we need a dynamic coach who is emotional and will breathe life in to the UK football program. If we start there, everything else will fall into place.

by uk_cantbestopped on Sep 20, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome to A Sea of Blue

Well-meaning rants welcome here. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Sep 20, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

????ONE SIMPLE QUESTION???

What is the biggest thing all those schools have??
A great fan base!
I think if your team is down on a play pick them up it worked in the UofL game am I right?
I am just saying I started chanting the players right in front of me on the field realized it and they turned around all smiles almost all of them I might add and urged us to chant we all came together and had a great shot at winning the game!

by hambizzy20us on Sep 20, 2011 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

We need more die hard fans!!!!

I am just saying our fans cannot expect our coaches,players, athletic directors or any other part of our sports staff to want to be here. I really think Joker, Tee Martin, Rick Minter and the rest of the guys have it going in the right direction!! I also think we need to make big time players feel welcome when they come to a game. I am just saying how many five star athletes do you think you would have beating down the door at Alabama if every game they fell behind all the fans got up out of their seats and left, probably not many. I just want our home turf to be electric when us as fans and athletes who may want to attend the university show up. I am just saying I think the staff is definitely making a huge impact in recruiting look at Randall Cobb under the radar Joker got him, Derek Locke track star under the radar Joker found him, Marcus Caffey whom I think is going to develope into another under the radar special player Joker found him. I am just saying the coaches are doing it, we are a basketball school being atleast competitive in football in the toughest conference. We have been competitive against all the big schools for the last couple of years except Florida I want us as fans just to pull together this weekend and make Common Wealth a field of fear for the opposing team. I think the only thing that would help or we are lacking is some funding from boosters and the university. GO BIG BLUE and to the great coaching staff we have don’t let the fans bring you down keep on keeping on you guys are absolutely fantastic and anyone who truly follows the football program knows that.

by hambizzy20us on Sep 20, 2011 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

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