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Kyle Wiltjer: What to Expect Based on the Stats of Similar Recruits

Kyle Wiltjer is the least heralded of UK's incoming recruits.  There are worse things in the world.  He still was a unanimous five star recruit.  What kind of impact can UK fans expect him to make next season?  To help figure that out, let's once again look at the stats of similarly ranked recruits from the past five years.

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Wiljter was ranked as the number 2 center in the 2011 class by Scout.com.  This poses a bit of a problem, but I'll talk about that after looking at the stats.

 

Year Comp by Positional Rank (2) PPG Rebounds Assists Blocks
2010 Jared Sullinger 17.2 10.2 1.2 1
2009 DeMarcus Cousins 15.1 9.8 1 1.8
2008 J'Mison Morgan 2.3 1 0.2 0.5
2007 DeAndre Jordan 7.9 6 0.4 1.3
2006 Spencer Hawes 14.9 6.4 1.9 1.7
Average 11.48 6.68 0.94 1.26

 

Looking at that list, it's clear that none of those players are great matches for Wiltjer.  Put simply, Wiltjer is not as big a recruit as Sullinger, Cousins, Jordan, or Hawes.  Jordan was a pretty big disappointment his only season at Texas A&M, but there is very little chance that Wiltjer matches the production of Sullinger, Boogie, or Hawes.  That leaves us with J'Mison Morgan as the best match for Wiljter according to the rankings.  Unfortunately, Morgan was a total knucklehead at UCLA and from the interviews I've seen with Witljer, it seems pretty unlikely he follows the same path.  Incidentally, Morgan was actually the third ranked center for Scout that year, but the second ranked center that year was some guy named Rashanti Harris.  Harris was supposed to play at UTEP, but he hasn't yet.

I don't think these center stats hold any predictive value for Wiltjer.  I'd have been better off switching to ESPN or Rivals for Wiltjer, but I didn't.  Scout's overall rating for Wiltjer, however, is right in line with everybody else's at number 22.  Here are the stats for the last 5 players to be ranked by Scout as number 22 overall.

 

Year Comp by Overall Rank (22) PPG Freshman PPG Soph PPG Junior
2010 Ray McCallum 13.5
2009 Dominic Cheek 4.9 5.6
2008 DeQuan Jones 2.7 5.7 4.5
2007 Durrell Summers 4.9 8.6 11.3
2006 DaJuan Summers 9.2 11.1 13.6
Average 7.04 7.75 9.8

 

You might have noticed I've done something differently with Wiltjer.  I believe Wiltjer is not going to be a one and done, so I've included the PPG averages for these player's sophomore and junior seasons as well (Durrell Summers is the only player on the list to have yet played as a senior).  7 PPG is probably the upper limit of what to expect from Wiltjer this season.  Even though I think he'll play fewer minutes than any of the other freshmen, his shooting ability makes 7 PPG a real possibility.  After all, two 3's gets you to 6.  I think the more likely outcome is for Wiltjer to score around 5 PPG like Durrell Summers and Dominic Cheek.

I'm a little surprised by the lack of scoring from these players in their sophomore and junior seasons.  Honestly, I expected the junior season average to be 13 to 15 PPG.  Instead, only DaJuan Summers managed to score that many points.  There's a couple of things to note, though.  First, this is an insanely small 3 person sample that is really dragged down by DeQuan Jones, whose scoring actually decreased his junior year.  Second, DaJuan Summers was better than his PPG suggests, as Georgetown played at a very slow pace.

I'm very happy Kyle Wiltjer is a Wildcat.  His presence plus that of Ryan Harrow makes me much less worried about 2012 recruiting than I otherwise would be.  Given his pre-existing skill level and a full season of strength training with Rock, I expect Wiltjer to be a very capable scorer by 2012 and better than almost any PF recruit Calipari might bring in.  As for this year, he'll be an important player off the bench if his shot is as good as advertised.

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Great Job!

KDH, I’ve really enjoyed these comparative projections for the freshman class. Obviously, Kyle’s sophomore production is going to depend on what happens in the unresolved 2012 recruiting class. Davis and Jones will be gone, of course, and if we have Kaleb Tarczewski or DaJuan Coleman to play at center, Wiltjer will make a terrific sophomore PF in that type of tandem. If, however, we wind up landing PFs like Mitch McGary or Anthony Bennett without also getting a Tarczewski or Coleman type center, then I’m a whole lot less sure how that will work out.

by TeamWeaver on Aug 12, 2011 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

2012

Thanks! As for 2012, I think the best outcome is probably Tarczewski, McGary, or Andre “Pipe Dream” Drummond. Coleman looks like a tremendous scorer and rebounder, but I worry about his defensive presence at his height. The defensive implications of a Coleman/Wiltjer front line worry me, but either player could be better at defense than I anticipate. McGary looks like a college center to me and he has the size to at least equal Jorts defensively. If the only post recruit we get is a smaller PF like Bennett, Perry Ellis, or Brandon Ashley, then a lot depends on how much Wiltjer can bulk up over the course of the next year. If he can get up to 240 lbs, his skill set would seem to fit very nicely into what we ran for Jorts toward the end of last season (with the added bonus of being a serious threat on the pick and pop).

by KDH2011 on Aug 13, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wiltjer at 240 ...?

Kyle is currently listed at 6’ 10" and 239 lbs. over on CoachCal’s website; so 240 doesn’t seem much of a stretch. However, hookshot aside, Wiltjer seems the prototypical face-up PF to me rather than a center. (In fact, given he’s not the quickest most-athletic white guy you ever saw with an astounding outside shot – I think the obvious comparison is Scott Padgett. Scott finished his UK career at around 240, I don’t remember what he weighed as a freshman and then sophomore.) But, playing the pick-and-roll, Kyle will be able to knock down those jump shots Harrellson passed up much more often than not. Can’t you just visualize it – there won’t be any sluffing off by the help defense – opponents’ll have to stick with Wiltjer!

Oh, the joys of being a Wildcat fan!

by TeamWeaver on Aug 13, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Padgett

Padgett really is an apt comparison physically. I suspect Wiltjer will produce better stats later in his career because of how stacked the Padgett’s late 90’s UK teams were. If Rock’s already got hm to 239 (hopefully the right kind of 239), then it’s highly likely that Witljer will eventually be big enough to at least see spot minutes at center.

by KDH2011 on Aug 15, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Wiltjer becomes anything like Padgett that will be tremendous for the team

Age is always advancing. And I believe it's up to no good. - Harry Dresden

by JLeverenz on Aug 15, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

My Expectations: Considerably Better Than Padgett

From my memory (thankfully still excellent) of Padgett and from a significant amount of Wiltjer it is quite evident that Wiltjer is superior at this stage in his game, and with Calipari’s superior developmental coaching the improvement should be at least equal.

"Statistics are no substitute for judgment" — Henry Clay (my namesake)

by Wild Weasel on Aug 15, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Padgett Was The Kind Of Pitino Recruit That I Liked

Good (not great) in HS.

Excellent potential developed at UK. Little used as frosh. Flunked out as soph. Part-time starter as junior. Star as senior and in 5th year.

by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 16, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

KSR reported on McGary

That he will be eligible for the 2012 NBA draft since he will be 20 years old and one year removed from his original high school graduation class.

by jdogblue on Aug 15, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice

Wiltjer is obviously the kind of player for which this kind of approach won’t yield much in the way of projections since his game is much different from the players you listed at the position. From what I’ve read, he seems more in the mold of Tayshaun/Kyle Singler/Thaddeus Young type of player.

Age is always advancing. And I believe it's up to no good. - Harry Dresden

by JLeverenz on Aug 12, 2011 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Size

Wiltjer is a bit bigger than the guys you’ve listed. Wiltjer measured 6’8.25" without shoes at the Hoop Summit. Thad Young was 6’5.75" at the NBA Combine, with Singler 6’7.5." He also weighed 224 lbs. Tayshaun, while about the same height, is still listed at less than that. There’s always hope that a HS Senior isn’t done growing, so we’ll see what UK lists him at. In April he was a quarter of an inch and 19 pounds lighter than what Vernon Macklin measured at the Combine last year. All of this goes to say that I have hope that Wiltjer works with Rock to develop the muscle needed to be a legitimate SEC PF. He’s got enough height to not have to worry about being a SF for the NBA (Blake Griffin is only a .25 in taller, Kevin Love is actually .5 in shorter).

If Wiltjer has the quickness to also play SF at times like Tayshaun, Singler, and Young did, I view that as bonus awesome points.

by KDH2011 on Aug 13, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Sorry I missed this while I was away.

I’m going to move it to the front page where it belongs, tweet and Facebook it.

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 15, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

Thanks for bumping these up to the front page each time I did one.

by KDH2011 on Aug 15, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling Wiltjer is going to be one of my favorite Wildcats of all-time.

He seems poised to remain at UK for at least 2 years, unselfish, lets his play do the talking, and as far as I know, committed to UK without even being recruited. He wants to be in Lexington.

by mrmondaynite on Aug 15, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

The main thing

is that Wiltjer gives us quality depth in the frontcourt this year. I’m really looking forward to seeing him contribute.

by jdogblue on Aug 15, 2011 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

20 Minutes And 5 PPG (Maybe)

Back-up at either F to Kidd-Gilchrist or Jones.

by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 16, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

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