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NCAA Rules: Media Trashes Rulebook To Rush To Defense Of Krzyzewski

It's remarkable to watch, really.  Sportswriters from around the major outlets are rushing to trash the NCAA bylaw that Mike Krzyzewski of Duke apparently violated as "inane" and "just plain silly."  Matt Jones correctly wondered on Twitter where that same concern was for the Committee on Infractions kerfuffle with Calipari's 500th win "celebration."  I myself am happy to point out the obvious double-standard that these media types have blatantly, nay, proudly, trotted out.

Writes Gary Parrish today:

Mike Krzyzewski talked to a recruit on the phone last Tuesday night; my colleague Jeff Borzello wrote about it. So now Duke officials are investigating the incident and asking the NCAA whether their Hall of Fame coach violated a contact rule, and the story garnered national headlines all weekend.

In the end, it'll amount to little.

Duke will either be punished lightly or not at all.

Duke should be punished according to the rules, not lightly or heavily.  If Izzo can be suspended for a game, surely Krzyzewski can lose a few recruiting contacts next year.  Contact rule violations in the July period carry a 4-1 enhanced penalty for violators, so apparently the NCAA not only doesn't agree with Parrish's "silly" comment, they think this sort of thing is a very, very big deal, and not "secondary" (read:  minor) at all.

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Then, we turn to Dana O'Neil, a writer I generally respect.  This piece cost her some of that:

Seriously, if we are going to pick over the carcass of the rulebook this finely, then the rule itself is simply inane.

And before anyone starts to lob hand grenades and sees this as a defense of all things Krzyzewski and Duke, let me make one thing clear: This would be a stupid rule if any coach was accused of breaking it.

Where was O'Neil's outrage at the 500 win thing?  Missing in action, of course, because she isn't serious when she implies equal treatment for everybody.

The honest truth is, these writers are all about outcomes, not process.  They don't care what the rules say until one of their oxen gets gored, and in this case, the biggest sacred cow of them all stands to take an unpleasant nick from the NCAA bull.  Parrish, O'Neil & Co. simply can't stand that, so they call out the rules for stupidity.

Mike Krzyzewski is a great coach, and a fine man by all accounts.  In all honesty, though, I have to say that if the NCAA treats him differently because of who he is, the organization I have largely defended lo these last several years will have revealed itself as a sham.  I don't ask that they throw the book at Coach K, all I ask is that they show the same regard for their rules and interpretations that they did in the case of Tom Izzo (another NCAA good guy who got precious little defense from these same authors) or in the case of Calipari.

Do I think that Duke should be gigged for a major recruiting violation?  Of course not.  Call it secondary, or whatever, but Duke deserves to be penalized just like UK or Tennessee or Ohio St. would be.

As long as the rules are same for everyone, I don't really give a hoot what they say.  It's when we start enforcing them unequally based on intent, or prior history, or "good guy" status rather than actions that makes me crazy.

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Then get ready for the straightjacket

I predict K gets special treatment from the COI as well as the sportswriters. My prediction is not based on fact, just speculation.

by jdogblue on Aug 1, 2011 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think so.

It could happen, but I have a feeling Coach K is going to be treated fairly by the COI. The media, well, that’s another story.

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 2, 2011 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Glenn

Surely you don’t expect the NCAA to treat Puke like everyone else. Coach K is a saint!

by oldcat73 on Aug 1, 2011 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Heh.

@DanWolken had a good point when he said that’s how the whole thing started – media members tripping all over each other to defend Krzyzewski on Twitter. That’s where I saw John Infante tweet out the COI interpretation sent to Morehead on the 22nd of April. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 2, 2011 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let me get this straight...

The COI interpretation was sent to Morehead in April and this is why Duke must know better and also why the NCAA cannot think Coach K didn’t know?
Is that what you meant?

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by a2d2 on Aug 2, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well ...

… it’s also interpreted exactly the same way on the NABC website, so apparently, its no secret.

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 2, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

May I

Laugh now? ;-)
I hope you are right.

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by a2d2 on Aug 2, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Laugh all you want.

If you read the rules, it’s pretty clear the activity that they intend to prohibit includes this type of recruiting why a player is on travel. If I were interpreting the rules, I would interpret them the same way.

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 2, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

And frankly ...

… I’d rather be wrong. I have no emotional investment in seeing Krzyzewski get hit with a violation. I don’t have an investment in seeing anybody get hit with a violation.

What I do have an investment in is the rules being applied the same way to everyone. That’s all. The football field is 100 yards long and “breaking the plane” means the same thing in California and New Jersey.

Just enforce the rules the same way for everybody.

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 2, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I totally agree with you.

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Aug 2, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I did......snorted coffee all over this computer......

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Aug 2, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Glenn, does the fact Krzyzewski attempted to skirt the July phone call limit matter?

As you have stipulated, Krzyzewski had to know the rule regarding contacts before returning home. Even without the recently distributed Morehead interpretation, I think every Div.1 coach knows that rule; it’s tattooed on the inside of their eyelids or something and by all accounts Krzyzewski is one of the smartest men in college coaching. He knows the rules.

Krzyzewsk also knew Poythress’ team hadn’t returned home from the first event when he made the first impermissible call to the AAU coach, as you pointed out, in itself a violation of Bylaw 13.1.6.2.2 (b). And, in that conversation, I’m sure Krzyzewski not only found out exactly where the AAU coach/team’s location, and it wasn’t at home or even on the road going back to Atlanta, but also been told what the team’s plans were for the 2nd event. Krzyzewski knew he was violating a NCAA bylaw with that call to the coach and it didn’t seem to phase him in the least as he didn’t immediately halt the conversation but proceeded to the clear purpose of the call – to ask the AAU coach to have Poythress call him.

Krzyzewski wanted Poythress to call HIM to get around NCAA Bylaw 13.1.3.1.3, the bylaw that limits Duke to ONE phone call to a prospect in the entire month of July. Ok, we now know K is more than a little slick. This rule is intended to drastically curtail school initiated contacts with a prospect in July. And, what his behavior shows is that Krzyzewski is NOT operating on some ethically exalted plain. He knows the contact rules and is doing the same morally compromised things many/most others are doing in recruiting, i.e., whatever it takes to get the rough and tumble job done. To me, this clandestine attempt to circumvent the July phone call bylaw is the definitive behavior by K that elevates the severity of his contact violations to something that can’t be dealt with by less than the sternest penalties for contact infractions in July. And if it isn’t, the NCAA will have just infused the mayhem inflicted on the recruiting bylaws with a whole new level of ugly energy.

by TeamWeaver on Aug 2, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who knew Dan Wolken would be the voice of reason from the writers?

It pains me to agree with him!

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by btcoop71 on Aug 2, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hypothetical question...

…If K retires, and Cal takes the job, and this incident occurred on Cal’s watch, does the NCAA then come down on Duke, if they slide now? Just asking.

by UK1972 on Aug 1, 2011 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Special treatment

Hi, everybody. UK, being the Bad Boy of college basketball, brings on some additional scrutiny, some possible hypocrisy as Glenn points out, but also mileage among the players and prospective recruits. K will always get 4 strikes, and Cal only one or two, and it makes it sweet when they play each other, because right now we know who would win convincingly.

Hope everyone is having a nice Summer.

by westcoastKYfan on Aug 1, 2011 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Well ...

… We’ll see. I have a feeling the NCAA will be fair about this. The media won’t, but then again, what’s new about that?

I hope you are enjoying your summer as well.

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 2, 2011 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Glenn, you surely don't think Duke and K will get the same treatment as all others?

If they did get the same treatment, they would have had a championship game and season vacated due to the Corey Maggette investigation, which (I remind you) is still ongoing according to the NCAA.

by wklawdog on Aug 1, 2011 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Well ...

… The NCAA had a plausible “out” on the Maggette affair, as I have discussed. No matter what we may think, the NCAA had discretion in that matter.

In the instant case, it theoretically has no discretion. This is a “strict liability” offense, so if it happened, they must punish him according to the 4-1 formula. There is virtually no doubt it was a rules violation by their own very recent interpretation of that selfsame rule.

That means that about the only thing they can do other than to punish Krzyzewski is for the COI to repudiate their own April 22nd interpretation of the rule. That’s the only “out” they have, and I expect they will decline to take it, since finding Coach K guilty is really not going to hurt him or Duke much at all. Wounded pride, really.

I actually do not believe Krzyzewski intended to break the rule, or was trying to get an unfair advantage. But intent is explicitly irrelevant in prohibited contacts cases in July. Like Kentucky, and North Carolina, Duke does not need an advantage, so it’s impossible to see the logic in Krzyzewski deliberately breaking the rule.

If this were Calipari, I’d be all for finding him guilty and docking him some contacts. But I wouldn’t be particularly concerned, just a little annoyed at the outpouring of “very troublings” from the media that would no doubt follow.

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 2, 2011 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he gets punished

Probably a slap on the wrist, but still punished. This will blow over and it will not hurt Duke or Coach K. But if the NCAA will punish Tom Izzo, who I love, they will punish Coach K. There will be a huge backlash if they don’t. And sportswriters are always going to kiss the ass of Coach K and have some sort of distain for Cal. Just the way it is.

by ScottWalls on Aug 2, 2011 2:56 AM EDT reply actions  

It depends on what you call a "slap on the wrist."

Will he get gigged with a major violation or suspended? I don’t think so, and I hope not. The penalty for these types of contract infractions is generally loss of a permissible recruiting contact or two. In July, the penalties are enhanced 4 for 1.

The ideal outcome is he should be charged with two impermissible contact infractions, and lose eight recruiting contacts for next year. I could live with four, because my interpretation of two contacts is subject to debate, although I’m sure I’m right about that.

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 2, 2011 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also ...

… I’m sure you’re right about the sportswriters coming down on Coach K’s side, and honestly, I can live with that. But that doesn’t mean I have to shut up about it. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 2, 2011 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

You should never shut up about it.

You should scream about it as loud as you can. If he committed the violation he should be held accountable, and that is what the sports writers should be saying. But of course they are not saying that. They are saying that the rule is stupid. If this happened to Cal, would they be saying that, or would they be saying this is another attempt from Cal trying to skirt the rules? So please don’t shut up about it, hold the sports writeres accountable as well as the coaches.

As far as the punishment goes, Coach K should get the punishment that fits the crime. Vilolating a rule is one thing, knowing that you are violating the rule, and vilolating it anyway is worse. If you and I were playing cards, and I looked at your hand while you were away from the table, knowing that looking at your cards was against the rules, wouldn’t that make me a cheater? I would think so. So doesn’t this make Coach K a cheater? Coach K is a very smart man, and there is no way that he didn’t know he was breaking the rules. I am pretty sure that makes him a cheater, and once the NCAA rules on this, regardless of the punishment, Coach K will be known as a cheater. And to me, that is most significant.

 I don’t hate Coach K, but I do not like the Duke fan base, much like I do not like the UL fan base. The last couple of years of UK beating up on UL and all the problems that have taken place at UL have allowed me to lay the smack down on that fan base everytime they open their mouth and spew out the hate. It is now time to do the same to the Duke fan base. They have had it coming for a while, and I will not hold back. So I don’t care how the NCAA punishes Coach K, as long as the NCAA acknowledges the fact that Coach Buy A Vowel did infact commit a violation. Because then, the Duke fan base will have no choice but to admit that K cheated. And that my friend, is priceless.

by ScottWalls on Aug 3, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guys, do we have nothing more to talk about than Duke?

I mean it has been going on now for four days……the NCAA probably will slap Coach K on the wrist, the media thinks the rule is stupid, and to be honest, so do I, and so do most reasonable people.

Why such outrage? If it happened to Cal, we would all be saying the same things and asking the same questions. The media probably would not, but I would say there are those who would.

Some of you like referring to me as the conspiracy theorist, but when it comes to Duke or Coach K you start screaming the same things? They are what they are. We are who we are. Either way, us spending this much time on something related to Duke is just a bot over the top. Can’t we get back to Tennessee or Louisville bashing???…..lol

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Aug 2, 2011 9:02 AM EDT reply actions  

sorry for the generalization there A2.....my bad

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Aug 2, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anytime you want to talk about something else ...

… just put up a fan post, or read one of the multiple items below.

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 2, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't be upset with me

It’s ALL good.

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by a2d2 on Aug 2, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not.

That was directed to Greg, not you. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 2, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually,

this is not just about Duke. It is about the NCAA and their inconsistent handling of enforcement of their own rules. They have stated that no case sets precedent because each is considered on its own merit and circumstances. Talk about leaving the door open for favoritism and behind the scenes wheeling and dealing. This becomes a bigger story because Duke is the sacred cow. We are interested because we feel that the NCAA is lying in ambush, just waiting to pounce on UK and Coach Cal. So, this is really quite an interesting situation and it will be very interesting to see how it turns out.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Aug 2, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh its interesting, but when I bring up the fact that the NCAA uses its penalty system

in any way they choose, with no consistency, and no method to their madness, and that they should either be stopped or replaced, or made to adhere to some higher power’s authority, I am considered to be beating a dead horse…..

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Aug 2, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have a great idea

How about we talk about Football Fan Day THIS Sat. instead of a Dookie? :-D

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Aug 2, 2011 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

ANYTHING but Duke.........

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Aug 2, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

The local media isn't even mentioning Saturday's festivities. :-(

Sorry, MY soapbox is in the way this morning. FWIW, I am messaging the local media this morning too. :-)

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Aug 2, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am still mad because demarcus was down here in my county sunday and no one told me.....

I was 5 minutes from the kid and I missed it

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Aug 2, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hear you

SMDH. ;-)

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by a2d2 on Aug 2, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

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