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Kentucky Basketball Mount Rushmore ... who you got?

Happy Independance Day everyone!!

Trying to determine which Kentucky basketball coaches, players, broadcasters, and other contributors deserve to be honored with their likeness carved into granite (or would it be limestone) on the side of an eastern Kentucky mountain -- my vote for the location of UK basketball's Rushmore -- is a nearly impossible task.  There have been so many great players, great coaches, and great people associated with UK basketball over the last 100+ years, distinguishing who's deserving from who's not could take longer than the 14 years it took to build America's Mount Rushmore (George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln).

I could probably type 1,500 words or more on who my four votes would go to, but instead of trying to convince anyone of who I think should be on UK basketball's Mt. Rushmore, I did what all good politicians do: conducted a poll.  Because if there ever were a subjective subject, this is it.  First, being on Rushmore might mean one thing to one person, and something totally different to another.  And even if two fans agree on the meaning, there still is the debate on who is deserving.  You get the point ... so back to the poll -- This highly unscientific poll is a widely varying cross-section of Kentucky fans: Some young (early 30's), some middle aged, some with gray hair, some with none (hair that is).  Some work in an office, some work with their hands, some cover UK for a living, some live for UK, and some die a little when the 'Cats come up short, but rest assured, they are all dyed-in-the-big-blue-wool Kentucky basketball fans.

Star-divide

Some of the respondents included their reasoning behind their selections, I've noted in quotes their thoughts.  But we begin with those who gave us only names.  Giant, giant names:

We begin with our fearless leader, Glenn Logan:

Adolph Rupp

Dan Issel

Cawood Ledford

Alex Groza

Next up is Coleman Howlett, father of Ken, and former UK baseball player (1964-1966):

Harry Lancaster

Cawood Ledford

Ralph Beard

Jack Givens

He threw in that Adolph Rupp, Larry Conley, Dan Issel, and Louie Dampier are just a few of the others he gave heavy consideration to.

Ira Combs, covers UK sports for Kentucky Sports Network.com, Combs Brothers on Kentucky Sports.com, and is an eastern Kentucky-based freelance sports writer:

Adolph Rupp

Joe B. Hall

Dan Issel

Rick Pitino

Matt Jones, host of a Kentucky athletics program on Insight's CN2 channel, and founder of Kentucky Sports Radio (he also hosts a popular daily radio program on 1080 WKJK):

Adolph Rupp

Cawood Ledford

Bill Keightley

Jamal Mashburn

Paul Jordan, founder of Wildcat Blue Nation:

Adolph Rupp

Bill Keightley

Dan Issel

Cawood Ledford

Paul included that Jamal Mashburn was his fifth choice.

Attorney and A Sea of Blue author, Alex Scutchfield:

Adolph Rupp

Cawood Ledford

Dan Issel

Jack Givens

Alex wrote that next in line for him are Jamal Mashburn, Bill Keightley, Cotton Nash, and Pat Riley.

Donie Richardson, a friend of mine from Elizabethtown:

Adolph Rupp

Kenny Walker

Louie Dampier

Dan Issel

Daniel Morehead, my brother-in-law:

Tayshaun Prince

Rajon Rondo

Jamal Mashburn

Kenny Walker 

And now for those who added their thoughts to their selections.  Beginning with Greg Edwards, writer for Wildcat Blue Nation, and frequent contributor/longtime member of A Sea of Blue:

  • Adolph Rupp -- "'Nuff said."
  • Rick Pitino -- "Some will complain about this one, but he resurrected the program and has his national championship.  I give him props for that."
  • The Unforgettables (John Pelphrey, Deron Feldhaus, Sean Woods, and Richie Farmer) plus Jamal Mashburn -- "I cheated on this one ... lol."  Yes you did Greg, but considering the subject matter, we'll let it slide.
  • Jack Givens
  • Greg included a list of 10 who he thought deserved recognition, and they are: John Calipari, Tony Delk, Dan Issel, James Lee, Tayshaun Prince, and DeAndre Liggins.

Brian Eldridge, contributing writer for Scout.com:

  • Adolph Rupp -- "He built UK basketball into a powerhouse.  His legacy still stands at UK today."
  • Cawood Ledford -- "He was the voice of the Wildcats for many decades and is highly thought of among the entire broadcasting world.  Many Kentucky fans who couldn't see the Cats in person or on television relied on him, and he did a great job describing what happens."
  • Jamal Mashburn -- "To me, Mashburn is the main reason UK basketball didn't die after probation.  He was a quality recruit that ascended to greatness at UK and carried the Wildcats to a Final Four.  He's still the best recruit Rick Pitino had at UK."
  • Rick Pitino -- "Pitino, along with Mashburn, brought UK out of the darkest period in modern history.  He injected excitement and he rejuvenated the winning mentality that the UK program had under Hall and Rupp.  The way he left UK tarnishes his legcy in most people's eyes, but you can't forget what he meant to UK for his time there."

Larry Vertrees, a friend of mine from Elizabethtown (if you need a good pre-owned car, go see Larry at Hardin County Motors.  He's honest as Lincoln, as dependable as mom, and a moderately hard worker).

  • Adolph Rupp
  • Joe B. Hall -- "In his tenure there he had great, great success, and in the last several years I can't think of any one individual who has represented the program better than Joe Hall.  Whether it be at charitable functions, he's at all the ballgames, practices ... I think he deserves it for all that he's done, and still does."
  • Dan Issel
  • Kenny Walker

Our exercise continues with noted attorney, author (of the outstanding "The Thin Thirty"), and publisher, Shannon Ragland:  Mr. Ragland begins his thoughts with this -- "When I think of Mt. Rushmore, I think of Founding Fathers and those who made a lasting impact.  That excludes any player.  So, who are above reproach in any way?"

  • "Adolph Rupp on the left."
  • "Harry Lancaster is second from the left.  Why?  Like Washington and Jefferson, they (Rupp & Lancaster) were founders, really, of Kentucky basketball.  Lancaster was there every step of the way."
  • "Joe B. Hall is our Lincoln, who bridged the past and the modern.  Even if his contribution was marred a bit and relatively short."
  • "Rick Pitino gets the final spot.  He's the Roosevelt.  A maverick; loved by some, hated by some, but respected by all.  And his contributions to UK (UofL notwithstanding); resurrection from disaster, national championship and sets the table for Tubby (Smith) in '98.  While he left UK, his experience at Kentucky is without blemish, even 14 years later.  He won at UK and he did it the right way, under the most difficult circumstances, in a job that even PJ Carlesimo (remember him) turned down." 

We end with this: First of all, I can't take credit for the idea behind this post.  Norm Haney, sports program director for 1340 WBGN, came up with the idea for his radio show, "The Sports Guys."  On Wednesday, when I join Norm and BC Thomas for Wildcat Wednesday on that same station, he asked me, on the air, who would be on my UK basketball Mt. Rushmore.  Caught off guard a bit, and with only a couple of minutes to come up with the names, I responded with Adolph Rupp, Dan Issel, Kenny Walker, and Kyle Macy.  In the interim, I've altered my list at least 10 times, but I think I've finally come up with my Big Blue Rushmore:

  •  Adolph Rupp -- The founder, the father, the innovator.
  • Joe B. Hall -- The ONLY coach in the history of college basketball to follow a legend and succeed for an extended period of time.  That in itself is deserving of lofty recognition.  Since his retirement, Hall has become a most outstanding ambassador for Kentucky basketball, and probably the most beloved UK basketball figure alive today.  He is identified with Kentucky basketball, whether he be in Harlan or L.A., and without his contribution the program would not be what it is today.
  • Cawood Ledford -- Every time I hear Tom Leach, I think of Cawood Ledford.  His presence was and is towering.  Behind Rupp, he is Kentucky basketball.
  • Rick Pitino -- Perhaps the most polarizing figure in college athletics (at least to UK fans), Pitino accomplished a feat at UK that no one, NO ONE, believed could happen.  No one thought it would take less than five years for Kentucky basketball to return to prominence after the scourge of violations and probation exited stage left, and for most, five years was being very optimistic.  No one thought Pitino could win 14 games in 1990 (the 'Cats were 14-14 in '90).  No one.  CM Newton, who was recruiting Pitino to be the new Kentucky coach, told him the situation was an unholy mess, and that it could take some time to rebuild.  Time?  Hah!  In year two Pitino won 22 games, and the SEC regular season championship.  UK fans were like, in shock, at how fast Pitino had made UK relevant again (not so dissimilar to what Cal is doing now, minus probation).  For him to bring UK back so quickly from the depths of despair -- and for you younger readers, yes, it was despair, don't let your fathers or grandfathers fool you by saying it wasn't so bad, because it was -- only adds to the Final Fours and championship he ultimately earned while coaching Kentucky.  Rick Pitino transformed a pile of rubble, magically, almost instantly, back into Camelot.

Thanks for reading and Go 'Cats!

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My list

Adolph Rupp – he got it all started

Ralph Beard – critical player that got the championships started.

Dan Issel – all-time leading scorer

Cawood Ledford – he kept the flame glowing.

by jdogblue on Jul 4, 2011 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting

Rupp and Cawood have to be locks, unless you confine it to on-court personnel.

After that I have no idea. I can see arguments for Issel, Hall, Mashburn, and a dozen others.

3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.

by JLeverenz on Jul 4, 2011 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

My 2 Cents

Rupp
Ledford
Pitino
Hall

I did not want to choose a player. There are so many, all keys to success when the played. I might have gone with Mashburn because of what he did for UK after the late eighties… and oh yes, that was indeed a dark time. But Pitino covers the nineties and i go back to my original premise. How do you really know if Jamaal had more of an impact than Beard, Groza, Issel, Macy, Givens, Walker, etc.
Of course, that’s just my opinion.

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Jul 4, 2011 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Rupp
Ledford
Issel
Judd

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"I watch (UK) every night... I am going to support them for the rest of my life. I'm a Wildcat for the rest of my life." -- JWall, 2/8/11

by HSLex on Jul 4, 2011 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Impossible But ...

I agree that Rupp and Ledford are mortal locks but after that it’s a relative toss up among a select few but if it’s limited to only 4 then I suggest that one more be chosen and then the remaining spot be reserved for Calipari when he retires sometime after 2020.

"Statistics are no substitute for judgment" — Henry Clay (my namesake)

by Wild Weasel on Jul 4, 2011 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I had the same thought...
  • Rupp
  • Ledford
  • Hall
  • [This spot reserved for future use.]

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by cmadler on Jul 6, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to whittle down to 4

But…….
Rupp-goes without sayin’
Issel-undersized but what a heart
Pitino-the resurrection
Groza-goes without sayin’

Certainly there’s 20 more than deserve it, guys like Mash, Walker, Beard, Joe B, Nash……………heck, there might be 50 :)

God Bless Our Troops............Especially Our Snipers!

by bigbill992001 on Jul 4, 2011 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I feel like only one spot is debatable

Because you CANNOT leave off Rupp or Cawood OR Bill Keightley.

Anyone who was ever exposed to Mr. Wildcat can tell you how beloved he was.. Hell, even those of us who never met him loved the guy because he was pretty much UK’s biggest fan.

I would not put Pitino on there just because he went to Louisville. We’re Looking for people who BLEED Kentucky blue and Pitino does not. I would put Joe B Hall on there before I’d ever look at Pitino.

Think about it…if you had to immortalize 4 people in UK history, would you want one of them to be the guy that ditched you and went to your in-state rival?

by Roflectomy on Jul 4, 2011 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not sure I would put Coach Pitino

on the list (after all, Coach Cal did in two years what it took Coach P longer . . .), but to many of us who grew up before the UK/UL rivalry got to be white-hot, he’s not Traitor Rick.

After all, he didn’t leave UK to go directly to Louisville; he left to try to further his career in the big show. Now, you can question his judgment on what constituted the big show, but how many of us have not made decisions to further our careers??

Nobody in their right mind could leave off Coach Rupp—He’s the Father of our Blue Country.

Cawood was the one who told us what it looked like before we could see it for ourselves, so he’s in, too.

And Bill Keightly, he’s one of “us” who got extremely lucky in getting picked up by George Hukle to be the assistant equipment manager in the early 60s. He’s the fan on the hill, representing all of us.

We probably should have a player on there, just because without them, there would have been no program. I thought about Groza, Spivey, Nash, Prince, Chapman, Mash, Givens, and even Wall and Liggins (the “everyman” player who worked his ass off to be successful), but, in the end, I have to put Dan Issel on my hill. Smaller than lots of centers, slower than almost all of them, but as full of heart as any player I ever saw. Flawed like the rest of us (money management issues, smoking and drinking while playing poker in the old Pike House the night before Saturday games, etc), he is a little like Liggins in that he worked for all he achieved.

If I could put a fifth on, I guess it would be Mashburn. His style, timing, and class make him a worthy inclusion.

Then there are about a hundred more that would tie for sixth. We may not all agree on the four, but we have a huge field to choose from. Lucky us!!

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Jul 4, 2011 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

BTW,

if you guys wonder why Ken’s dad put Larry Conley on the Honorable Mention list, you never saw him play.

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Jul 4, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If there's one guy,

one player I’ve heard other players over and over say is waaay underrated historically, it’s Conley.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 5, 2011 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ken, like your dad,

I have a special place in my blue heart for Larry. He saw the whole court, he was the most selfless player I’ve ever seen in any sport, and he made everyone he played with better. Plus, he was (is, I suppose) a really nice guy.

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Jul 5, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Likewise

Oldcat69,

Great choice!! Couldn’t agree more.

I’ve always seen Conley as the glue-guy who held the Runts together. Plus, if he had been 6 inches taller, he might have been an early -Bird.

When he became ill before the final, we paid way to much for it.

Earnie’s bro,

by longtime on Jul 5, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Conley's Sickness Certainly Hurt UK

Like it hurt Duke when Bob Verga came down with similar malady in semi-final game against UK.

Cats W by 4. With a healthy Verga, maybe not – who knows?

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 6, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, longtime,

your brother has been making snide remarks about oldcat’s shooting ability in a series of e-mails with another of the AF engineer bros. I had to set him straight that my primary malady wasn’t inability to shoot but rather a very early case of WMD-couldn’t run, jump, or play defense.

Glad to hear from you.

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Jul 6, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good ol' Ashland boy

but, like you said, we’re blessed with having 100 names we could put on the list.

God Bless Our Troops............Especially Our Snipers!

by bigbill992001 on Jul 5, 2011 5:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

MT. RUPPMORE

ADOLPH
CAWOOD
DAN from Batavia
JOHN CALIPARI (that’s right, we’ll all see he deserves it)

by ukfastcat on Jul 4, 2011 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

The Anti-Kentucky Mount Rushmore

Saul Smith

Eddie Sutton

Billy Gillepsie

Christian Laetner

The Villian Wall , lol

http://www.everythingkentuckyonline.com

by Sam Henson on Jul 4, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

First Choice Is Strange

He won 1 NCAA title, 3 SEC titles, and 3 SEC championships in 4 years at UK.

His teams averaged 27.5 W per season and won 77% of their games.

All of those exceeded UK all-time standards. He ranks among UK all-time leaders in Assists and Steals.

The first choice is actually flat out wrong.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 5, 2011 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to agree with 40

Saul was never anti-UK. I believe the fact that he was at UK caused UK to lose PG recruits that were much better than him. I don’t think he was a very good point guard by UK standards. But he always played hard and was for UK. He does not deserve a spot on the Villain Wall – he was anything but a villain.

by JackBluto on Jul 5, 2011 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

Your right, I was just having a little fun ! Saul truly was a good player while as UK. The fan base at the time was mixed about his play and I think there was a little dislike due only to the fact he was the coaches son.

by Sam Henson on Jul 5, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus you have to remember

that Saul was the runt of the Smith litter. We would have been more than happy with GG at UK. He was better than his little bother.

by UKlvrBM on Jul 5, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct

GG made All-SEC (3rd team) as Sr at Georgia in 1999.

Actually Brian is the youngest. Saul is in the middle.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 5, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then Put The Coach On Your List

Saul doesn’t deserve to be on such a list.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 5, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

UK PG Recruits In That Era

JP Blevins in 1998. Pitino offered but Tubby made good on the scholarship offer. Blevins was not UK caliber PG. Yet another Pitino recruiting mistake when Cats were # 1 team.

No PG recruits in 1999 but UK recruited HS A-A PG Cliff Hawkins in 2000. UK tried hard for Duhon but Saul was NOT the reason he didn’t choose UK.

UK also recruited PG Adam Chiles in 2001 (to replace Saul). Chiles was a talented player but had many OTC issues (whether at UK or anywhere else he went).

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 5, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one who would consider Patrick Patterson?

Obviously, Rupp, Keightley and Cawood are up there. That leaves 1 player to represent all players. There have been more skillful players and although extremly debatable and I only say this for points sake, may have been players with more heart. But few can disagree that Patrick was the most complete player in terms of having both SKILL and HEART. Not saying the most skilled don’t have heart, or that the biggest hearts don’t have skill, but think about it. The man deserved MORE than what he recieved here. Yet he stuck by our side through thick and thin. Obviously, a great STUDENT-athlete and someone that I love as an ambassador for the Commonwealth. Sure, there have been numerous players who fit this bill, but how many were in the situation and setting the PPat was in. When making this decision, you must think about what they did here and how well they are representing us after they leave. Who better than to do that.

He got her lower arena seats at Rupp for Big Blue Madness, I mean, a guy can't really compete with that.

by dancoo626 on Jul 4, 2011 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I tried to steer away from putting any players up

But if I’m made to choose a player, Pat would probably be my first. Either him or Chuck Hayes. Guys who were beloved by the entire fanbase and who did what they were asked to do day in and day out without needing to be the star. Real team players and quality individuals.

by Roflectomy on Jul 4, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand steering from putting players on there....

but me personally, I think you’d at least have to have one because like Oldcat said, without them there would be no Kentucky. Other than that I didn’t see anyone who had put his name and thought something was wrong here.

He got her lower arena seats at Rupp for Big Blue Madness, I mean, a guy can't really compete with that.

by dancoo626 on Jul 4, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would not consider PPat.

Or Hayes for that matter. Both are among my favorites, but being a “favorite” doesn’t do it. You have to be great players too – and that includes winning. In that regard – Hayes has an advantage. Neither made the final four, but Hayes was a couple of Elite Eight teams. PPat sadly had to stick out the Billy G era.

But with a team with a history of players like Beard, Issel, Givens, Mashburn and a bunch of all-americans and national championship winners, Hayes and PPat are not Mt. Rushmore types.

by JackBluto on Jul 5, 2011 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

my first three are easy...

1. Rupp
2. Cawood Ledford, he was the voice for the Cats when televised games were rare, and carried the games to every part of the state (and ajoining states too), and did so without being a “homer”. Truly a professional.
3. Joe B. Hall- he laboured in the shadow of a legend for many years, then did the nearly impossible, successfully replaced the legend. Then his subsequent actions after leaving the game have been praiseworthy in promoting the program.

Now it gets difficult for me, how to pick a player, coach, … for the fourth spot. I think Patino is too soon to see what the final view will be in regards to UK, after all there have been “words” on occasion, it could turn embarrassing at some future date. Many comments have been made over the selection of Teddy Roosevelt for the Rushmore sculpture, as his reputation has not held up over time.

E.R. Strickland Kentucky’s first official coach and athletic director? Groza, who was before my time? Nash, Dampier, or Riley all of whom I did see? I think Dampier would have the overall scoring title if he had had a three point line in college (he didn’t get that until he reached the ABA).
I think I would go for Pat Riley. A great career at UK with solid but modest talents, a modest but acceptable career as a player in the NBA off the bench, and then a stellar career as an NBA coach and now team president.
and finally I would make sure the site chosen had room for adding more sculptures, 20 or so years down the road, when we will be in position to judge some of the more recent contributions, like Rick P. PatP, JW, and possibly Kanter (who may be the greatest player never to get to see the floor during a game while at UK).

by blenheim bard on Jul 4, 2011 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

"modest talents" might not be my description

of Riley. Compared to today’s uber-athletes, you are undoubtedly right on, but compared to the players he faced in his college career, he did pretty well. Good vertical leap, excellent reflexes, pretty good outside shot. Certainly his size was against him in regards to the job he was asked to do, but he did OK as an “athlete”. If I’m not mistaken, he was a HS AA in football, too.

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Jul 5, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, Larry C.!

I forgot about Larry Conley. Hmmm? Certainly an viable choice. I was not aware of Keightly when I was at UK, and am not in a position to comment on his contribution.

by blenheim bard on Jul 4, 2011 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

This Mount Rushmore would require two sides

One side for coaches and administration and opposing side for players – A real mountain top would be required with a 360 degree view and a driving loop around it with rest areas. picnic tables and ideal picture taking locations.

Adolph Rupp

Bill Keightley

Joe B. Hall

Cawood Ledford

C.M. Newton (honorable mention)

I’ll have to really think on the players side – so many great ones to chose from….!

A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!

by KansasUKCat on Jul 5, 2011 5:55 AM EDT reply actions  

My 4 Would Be

Rupp, Ledford, Issel, and Beard.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 5, 2011 7:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Great idea Ken, even if you can't claim it

We gotta have Rupp, he is Kentucky basketball and Cawood was so important to what we “saw” and felt. And I think Mr Bill contributed to so many positive differences in coaches and players that we might only glimpse his full impact had he not been here. He was friends to both.
Now the hard part comes picking a fourth. It should be a player because without them where would we be? But I cannot pick one or two or three. Heck, I can’t even pick four either. Since we are making this thing, we can make a player image with different characteristics from several players. We can build super basketball guy. :-)

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Jul 5, 2011 7:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Okay, a2, how 'bout this guy:

-The fire and emotion of Beard
-The courage of Hagan
-The size of Spivey and Bowie
-The outside shot of Dampier (and the left-hand jumper of Tom Parker!)
-The unselfishness of Conley
-The speed of Wall
-The dedication of Harrelson
-The strength of James Lee and Terrence Jones
-The coolness of Macy
-The defense of Liggins
-The confidence of Mashburn
-The luck of Hatton and Sparks
-and, finally, the “Blueness” of the entire Unforgettable team.

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Jul 5, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, that would work

We can dye him blue too, to emphasize our blueness. :-)

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Jul 5, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rupp, Cawood, Keightly, Issel

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Jul 5, 2011 9:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Mt. Rushmore of UK Football

The Bear holding a Zippo lighter…..sigh…

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Jul 5, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Rushmore....

Rupp, Issel, Ledford, Riley.
First 3 are easy. Riley gets 4th slot for sustained post-UK contributions to the game and his NBA legacy as a player, coach, and executive.
Next in line: Pitino (2 nat champs, ‘nuf said), and Calipari (exhumes the Gillespie corpse of a program, reflects the modern game – love it or not, masters the recruiting, one-and-done with finesse and produces winning teams and players. Of players, I’d go with Conley as best representing the long-term essence of UK ball, and worthy to represent all who wore the uniform. Everyman.

by permitfly on Jul 5, 2011 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Pitino Only Won 1 NCAA Title (1996)

Did I miss something?

It’s ABSURD to credit Pitino for winning 1998 NCAA title at UK.

Although (had he stayed) Duke would SURELY have beaten UK in the Regional Finals. Pitino has NEVER beaten Duke (or UNC for that matter).

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 5, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

re "modest talents"

OldCat-
I worried over that phrasing, but Riley wasn’t the quickest, the tallest, the most anything player, and it usually seemed before the game that the man he was facing would surely eat him up. but somehow he stayed with the seemingly faster player, he managed to defend the taller player, and he made his fair share of points. But what I remember were his drives to the basket, and going up for a a layup and drawing the defenders, while he had passed the ball off on the way up.
and yes he was good enough football player to have to choose between the NBA and the NFL. Ah the days of basketball unis that look like short-shorts, Uncle Adolph denying the use of the dreaded zone defense (LOL), and if there was a “celebrity” in the stands it was Col. Sanders in his white suit, or maybe (ex)Governor Happy Chandler. After the game a cold one with fires at the Paddock.

If it was not clear let me state it clearly, I liked Riley. He always managed to get the job done and his passes under the basket always amazed me, as it obviously did the opposing players too. the star of the show was Dampier who seemed to shoot from anywhere over the half court line, and make them. what a 3 point line would have done for his stats! :-)

by blenheim bard on Jul 5, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, I don't doubt that you like Riley. Not at all.

I just give him more credit for fast-twitch muscle fibers than you do. Understanding that he “quick-jumped” on the center jump to start games, he still won some ridiculous percentage of them—at only 6’4".

Totally agree about Dampier. You should have seen him at practice. It seemed like he NEVER missed. Of course, Bob Tallent shot extremely well at practice, but couldn’t seem to carry it over to games, at least while he was at UK.

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Jul 5, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think my four would be

Rupp—the man who made basketball

Joe B—the vastly underappreciated transition figure

Cawood—the best sports announcer ever, and our own

Issel—the definitive Wildcat player

by BCinVA on Jul 5, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

"Ain't no mountain big enough"

Rupp – the founder

Joe B – the successor

Caywood – the voice

Bill Keightley – the fan

I would have to add a fifth, “The Cat with no name”, to represent all the players that I love and can not possibly choose between. On this, I am with oldcat and a2.

"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.

by kydamcat on Jul 5, 2011 12:45 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Now that "starting five", I can completely agree with!!!!!

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Jul 5, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really great compliation, Ken

Not sure I can add anything more, although as a rail-thin lefty, I have an unnatural love for Tayshaun Prince.

by jc25 on Jul 5, 2011 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey, this thing's gotten more radio time!

Matt Jones’ Radio show spent it’s second hour discussing the topic. He credited ASOB with the thread and called A Sea of Blue the “intellectual” UK blog site. Heh, I almost spit out my grey poupon I laughed so hard.

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Jul 5, 2011 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

"Intellectual". Yah, dat's it! Dat's wut we are!!!

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Jul 5, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Legacy is what matters most

1. Rupp
2.Pitino
3.Hall
4.Fans and the whole state of Kentucky.

by Zoso- on Jul 8, 2011 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

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