NCAA rules: Ohio State Coming Into Focus, Tennessee's Not So Much
There is good news for the Ohio St. Buckeyes, and good news, I think, for all NCAA institutions. In what I believe to be a clear example of finally "getting it," the NCAA has apparently decided that the Lack of Institution Control and Failure to Monitor charges against OSU are not forthcoming:
Investigators said they found no evidence that Ohio State failed to properly monitor its football program or any evidence of a lack of institutional control, according to a letter sent to the university and released Friday.
In an earlier examination of OSU's response to the NCAA's charging letter, we noted that that it seemed unlikely that OSU's compliance efforts could have stopped Tressel's behavior:
With that said, I think the NCAA should avoid a "Failure to Monitor" or "Lack of Institutional Control" finding. The facts do not seem to support either one, and for the NCAA to create one or both out of thin air in order to enhance its penalty against OSU would only damage its credibility.
Absent Minority Report-like technology, it's hard to imagine how OSU could have prevented Tressel's deliberate failure to follow the rules. There simply never was evidence of a failure on the part of the University in compliance efforts, and that's where those two charges should always have their root.
Unfortunately, their actions subsequent to the discovery did not live up to the example set by their compliance department, which I think will inspire the NCAA to enhance penalties against them. OSU did not show in their actions after the discovery of the violations that such egregious failures really meant anything to them. They seemed willing to continue to employ Tressel despite his unethical behavior, and I think that's where the NCAA is likely to send a message.
Regarding the Tennessee Volunteers, I feel compelled to make a couple of brief comments about Will Shelton's outstanding article at Rocky Top Talk partially in response to my piece yesterday on the Vols, specifically this paragraph:
Still, the university can show tangible steps on monitoring and controlling Lane Kiffin, removed the other responsible parties from the equation, punished itself, placed itself on probation, and handed out minor penalties to the new coaching staffs. I'm all for Tennessee defending itself based on what it believes to be a true and fair representation of the facts; I support the university doing what it believes to be right over what it believes will appease the NCAA. And I don't think the way we've done it is baiting the NCAA into dropping an even bigger hammer on us. There is clearly guilt here - the Vols are simply asking that it be rightfully assigned.
I could not agree more with Will's commentary about supporting the University doing what it believes to be right, and not worrying about whether or not the NCAA will be appeased. Real justice can only be had by standing up for the truth, and if UT believes what it says is the truth, that should be their position.
For my part, at least in Pearl's case, I am bothered by the lack of recruiting self-sanctions. That seems and obvious needs to go along with the rest, because despite the fact that the most flagrant violation Pearl caused were his own unethical conduct for which Tennessee should pay a very small price per se, there are two other issues which argue for the self-imposition of more severe penalties:
- The fact that the underlying violation was a clear and lawless attempt to gain a recruiting advantage, and;
- The fact that the university tried very hard to keep a coach that was likely to be rendered unemployable and anyone could see that.
There has got to be a price to pay for trying to hold on to coaches who deliberately break the rules and get schools in trouble. That's on the University of Tennessee, not on Pearl. They should have fired him right away, and when they failed to do that, they demonstrated their commitment to compliance, at least in Pearl's case, was less important than retaining what they saw to be a once-in-a-lifetime basketball coach.
This is exactly the same failure of the leadership of the University that I berated Ohio State for. I think UT should suffer at least one scholarship in basketball for two years or two scholarships for one year, and any truly honest response should have included something like that, in my opinion.
UT comes in line for a failure to monitor penalty primarily because it had so many things go wrong in such a short time. I don't see how that can be avoided. They are not like Ohio State, who had an isolated incident cause by an unethical coach that should have known better, and a clear case of what I consider to be documented satisfactory compliance efforts by the school compliance staff.
In sum, I applaud the NCAA's decision regarding OSU, but I do expect enhanced penalties. For Tennessee, I consider their response to be contrived and inadequate. That's my opinion on the matter, for what it's worth, and it truly pains me to say it.
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I have a hard time agreeing with this one Glenn.
It’s a good article, but anyone who knows anything about OSU, or anyone connected to OSU, knows the deal in Columbus. This stuff has been going on for a very long time. It’s a lot like the way things were here before the crash back in the 80’s.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Jul 24, 2011 9:01 AM EDT reply actions
Yes And No
OSU is not innocent but Tressel was the instigator this time.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 24, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Then don't agree.
You have no proof at all. OSU has a lot. They win. The end.
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I'll bring this up...
If it were Kentucky in this situation we all know that the NCAA would argue that the resulting violations themselves PROVE that there was a lack of institutional control and obviously a failure to effectively monitor. And we probably would not even argue the point because we know we would never win it. The fact is that we have a different relationship with the NCAA than schools like OSU (or the school behind the Corey Magette issue), and we would never get away with this stuff. Was it truly a lack of institutional control that led to this and does OSU deserve harsh penalties because of it? I don’t know enough of the facts to judge, really. But OSU’s compliance department apparently cannot affect compliance – that’s what they are saying – and the NCAA is fine with that? If I were paying their salaries I wold not be so glib and happy about that. Hey maybe they went over the rules with Tressel everyday and he did it anyway, purposefully finding a way to hide it from them.
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by GriffinRC on Jul 24, 2011 9:52 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed RC
I think Pryor was quoted as saying something like he got whatever he wanted. Was Tressel the only one that aided in that? We may have no idea. A rogue coach defense, even though they told him to abide, doesn’t seem fitting, to me. I thought the email trail proved they knew long before, and did nothing.
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False
If you read the NOA and the response from the NCAA it will answer all of these questions. You can read the actual transcripts of what Tressel said, and what the compliance dept did. It was the compliance dept that revealed the info to the NCAA. If the compliance dept wanted to, they could have easily destroyed the incriminating evidence. Unfortunately, the media loves to sensationalize without regard to facts.
I can also assure you that there has been every sports “media” investigative team known to mankind in Columbus for the last 6 months, not to mention the NCAA themselves. They have turned over every stone many times, and if it was as sinister as people think, they sure would have found it. sorry for trolling.
Well done.
I think the compliance department, in this case, was exemplary. The response to the NCAA more than demonstrates their commitment, and the circumstances surrounding this matter were as isolated from their scrutiny as it was possible to be.
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As for Tennessee
What did they do with these new revelations into the Tennessee compliance Renaissance? It really is all just a bunch of words with no particular meaning.
Usually with a probation there are terms – what are they? And if you break those terms you go to jail (or back to jail). Every crook I ever saw who broke their probation argued that they didn’t do it, so yes it make perfect sense to have the punishment(?) self-imposed. Please. They basically came out in this and strung a bunch of incoherent, arbitrary words together that signify nothing.
Pearl and Kiffin are gone – but the problem is higher than that. Punishing the new coaches who were not involved in behavioral and managerial failures is not the answer. People who were responsible are still calling the shots and still making fat salaries and I do not see that changing. I don’t know what the NCAA will do – probably just slap them on the wrists. It would only be fitting to continue the farce. I don’t care what Tennessee fan blogs say – they have clearly not done the “right” things.
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You won't find many of us saying good things about our own administration
The AD resigned before his job was taken away from him. The guys in charge are new – the university president just took office on January 1 of this year, and the chancellor has been as much a part of the problem as anyone, and he’s only been around since February 2009. There’s plenty of guilt to go around.
by Will Shelton on Jul 24, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
both coaches are gone, the AD is gone, there was no university president at the time
I understand Chancellor Cheek is not a popular guy with Tennessee fans, but is there really perception that this is all his fault?
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jul 24, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Always enjoy your take on things
You raise a good point about the NCAA being harsher on us because we didn’t fire Pearl right away. It’s a fair and interesting question – you mentioned that we kept a coach who was “likely to be rendered unemployable and anyone could see that”, and that was the central issue: we couldn’t see it. Not back in September, not before the rough year and the bump violation and the additional mess. You can go back and read about it plenty on our site – at no point did most, if not all of us, think Peark was in any real danger of being fired, both because of his success and because of the perception of what he did. Was UT going to fire the most successful staff (and they all would’ve had to go because all are guilty) in program history six weeks before the season over a BBQ and a lie? It just seemed like such a smaller deal than what you always assume is going on somewhere else – paying players, playing ineligible guys, forging transcripts, etc. In hindsight, you’re right, we never had a choice. But when it’s your guy and your guy has been so successful, I know none of us saw it coming, and I’m curious how serious those conversations were within our own administration.
Good read, as always.
I recall appearing on Unleash the Rage a number of times ...
… and each time when it came to Pearl, I mentioned that it was a high probability that the NCAA would slap the show-cause penalty on him because of his unethical behavior.
I have been raising this issue since last September’s press conference. I don’t claim any particular insight into the NCAA, but this just seemed so patent and obvious. But I defended Tennessee’s right to keep Pearl if they could. As time wore on, it became more and more obvious that was a big mistake.
When Tennessee sanctioned Pearl monetarily, I did not believe it was enough. When Tennessee failed to suspend him and forced the league to do it, I hoped at that point Pearl would step down and save Tennessee further pain. Now, we have what we have.
I have learned much from these two events. If anyone cared what I thought, I would recommend that any school who had admitted unethical conduct by a coach should fire him immediately, and that the NCAA should require every school to have a clause in their coach’s employment contract allowing them to remove a coach for cause for admitted unethical conduct. Ohio State and Tennessee’s failure to do so harms them, and that is so incredibly unfair to their fans and to all of us in their respective leagues who need a strong, fully functional UT and OSU for all kinds of good reasons.
If any of you, for even a nanosecond, feel that I will not demand the removal of Phillips or Calipari for an admitted unethical conduct like Pearl and Tressel, I assure you that I will be leading the charge, and if UK tries to hang on, I will denounce them roundly for it. Trust me. These two matters have opened my eyes in a lot of ways.
Unethical conduct demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt or admitted outright should always result in a firing. Always. Period. That’s the only way we can begin to hold these coaches accountable, and quit killing the schools for the actions of the coach. I am so tired of seeing schools, who have made a good faith effort for compliance, get blamed when coaches break bad. These guys are earning millions and damaging well-meaning athletic institutions, their patrons and their fans. It is intolerable. They must be brought to heel.
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by Glenn Logan on Jul 24, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Again, you make some good points
Just in case I didn’t do a good job of making this clear, when I say “we couldn’t see it coming”, I mean Tennessee fans, especially including myself. This has been very eye opening for me and probably lots of UT fans as well; as a result it was easy for us to see that Tressel was toast as soon as the information really came out, and I’m sure it was certainly much easier for other fanbases to see that Pearl probably never had much chance from the beginning. Perspective is very helpful.
The Knoxville News-Sentinel is releasing the full 190 page response from UT to the NCAA tomorrow morning, which I sure will make for more light reading…
by Will Shelton on Jul 24, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll see what the penalties end up being
before determining whether or not they are fair. But I really don’t see how you see Tennessee’s violations as more severe than Ohio State’s.
It was an attempt to gain a recruiting advantage. It was also a secondary violation if Pearl fesses up. The lying is the real problem. In Ohio State’s case, the underlying violation is not secondary, and there’s also lying. So the Ohio State case should be worse, it seems to me. Your other point is that the institution tried to hold onto him. But Ohio State also did the same thing here. Additionally, the university did fire him as soon as we got to the next hiring/firing season. They insisted that that wasn’t their plan all along, but looking back, it seems like it would’ve been the best one. It’s hard to fire a basketball coach in September, because it’s hard to hire a basketball coach in September. Waiting until March isn’t a slap in the face to the NCAA, it’s the only way to avoid either a really bad hire or needing an interim for a full year (which may have been a better plan in hindsight).
I understand how you could lump the football penalties in and say that UT deserved a failure to monitor because there were multiple violations, whereas it was more isolated in Ohio State’s case. But football wasn’t charged with failure to monitor, and the school showed satisfactorily that the compliance department had actively forbidden Kiffin to do some of the things he did. And when basketball is considered by itself, it really doesn’t seem like there’s anything widespread going on. There’s two or three secondary violations, and there’s a coach lying about it. That doesn’t seem significantly different than one major violation and a coach lying about it.
If we lose a scholarship or two for a year or two, it’ll be hard to argue with it, and will once again prove that the cover-up is worse than the crime. But anything else is too harsh. And if we lose a scholarship or two and Ohio State only gets probation, there’s a consistency problem.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jul 24, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions
also, regarding the "fire Pearl and hire an interim" idea
which to me was the only option apart from keeping Pearl until March and firing him then. . . where do you find an interim if the whole staff was involved? Hire the video director (who was the interim after the season)?
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jul 24, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure I said Tennessee's were more severe. Rather, I implied that they were more numerous.
The problem is the proximity to each other create the appearance of a lack of control. What also makes it look like a compliance department issue is the fact of all these impermissible telephone calls. It’s really hard to reconcile how all these coached made all these impermissible calls if the compliance department was on their toes.
Forget the lying, that’s on Pearl. Forget what he was lying about, that’s clearly on him, too. But how does one have all these impermissible phone calls in a compliant athletics department? It’s the kind of thing that if I were in charge of compliance, I would be all over, every day. It just boggles the mind.
How can it be possible that they would receive a FTM for basketball (specifically in the case of the illegal phone calls) and not get the same for football? It cannot be, and was not. I refer to the NCAA Notice of Allegations charges 10 and 11, bookend FTM charges that make perfect sense given the circumstances. Kiffin got the additional charge of failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance, another charge I feel is justified.
I cannot see how the University of Tennessee, under the circumstances, could not have docked itself some scholarships particularly given the fact that the vast majority of actual violations involved recruiting, even if in isolation and individually they would have been considered minor. That’s what galls me, and I fear it will also gall the NCAA COI.
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Okay, we're reading the notice of allegations differently
10 says that head football coach Lane Kiffin failed to monitor and failed to produce an atmosphere of compliance. #11 says that the institution failed to monitor the basketball coaches. I read that as an institutional failure to monitor basketball, but not football. Obviously, you’re reading it differently.
That might be the heart of our disagreement, although I have no idea how compliance people deal with phone calls. I’d imagine it’s easily found out, but only after the fact, and then you turn yourself in, get a secondary, and tell the coaches not to do it again. But this has been the least publicized part of everything, so I haven’t gone hunting too much.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jul 24, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You read it correctly, I didn't.
Kiffiin is accused of violating 11.1.2.1, which is directed at the head coach. I’m not sure of the intricacies of whether or not that imputes a failure to the compliance department, but since there is a separate rule for that, you would think that imputation would be minimal.
I think you have it just right about the voluntary self-disclosure. But as we saw in the Sampson case up in Indiana, a bunch of what would normally be considered minor violations lumped together like that are alleged as a major violation.
The thing that bothers me is that if UT warned Kiffin, and I believe it did, why didn’t it watch him like a hawk? If I were in compliance and one of my coaches had demonstrated a propensity to make illegal phone calls, I would have really demanded some close monitoring and reporting. Maybe UT actually did, but Kiffin just deliberately found ways around it. I’m not quite sure, but taken together with the Pearl allegation, it sure seems that UT had a lot of trouble controlling its employees phone calls.
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I was under the impression
that David Blackburn was basically assigned to watch Kiffin (and that this is why there’s no institutional failure to monitor in football), but I’m not sure exactly what that entails. Obviously, it didn’t prevent him from doing some things. Maybe it prevented him from doing more things, and the ones he got away with were the kind that he either hid well or that the school only finds out about after the fact (like when they go through the phone statements). But that’s just speculation. Whatever Blackburn was doing, it helped with the NCAA, but I don’t know exactly what it was.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jul 25, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Lessons Learned Well
UT, OSU and the Murdochs. Prime current examples of plausible deniability — a favored tactic by higher strata authorities in all organizations. And it’s interesting to note that in the term plausible denial, the word “denial” implies some social mores against lying or fraud. This means that the users of this term know its use is immoral. Persons in an amoral society would not need to falsely deny their actions.Plausible denial is a type of lying that requires preparation to avoid blame or detection. By preparing to use plausible denial, those involved admit by their actions the foreknowledge of guilt and the knowledge of social mores.
"Statistics are no substitute for judgment" — Henry Clay (my namesake)
in a sense, UT and Ohio State (with Pearl and Tressel)
are a prime example of not having plausible deniability, and it’s gotten them fired and probably show-caused. Whereas folks like Coach Cal and the other Coach Cal make sure they don’t know about violations that are going on under their noses, which is how they both have jobs in which they’ve been quite successful.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jul 24, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's really unfair to say that.
“Plausible deniability” assumes an intent to violate the rules. There is no case in Calipari’s past where plausible deniability makes any sense.
We know plausible deniability wasn’t the case at UMass, since Calipari turned Camby in.. In the Rose case, the violation happened hundreds of miles away from Calipari before Rose even reported to campus.
Nobody has ever even tried to explain how Calipari was supposed to know about something like that except for stupid conspiracy theories, or why Rose, or anyone close to Rose, would tell him about the alleged cheating. In fact, I would be good money that coaches try to stay as far away from college entrance exams as possible for all sorts of good reasons due to the lesson of Kentucky’s violations back in the 1980’s.
I guess my point here is that “plausible deniability” is an unfortunate term intended to impute guilt where none can be proven, but rather is only suspected. But for that term to apply, the circumstances have to support it. In neither of Calipari’s cases, at least in my opinion, is that the case.
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Institutional Control Inadequacy
My intent was to place the plausible deniability imputation to the athletic department rather than (in the case of Tressel and Pearl with no thought given to Calipari) individual coaches.
"Statistics are no substitute for judgment" — Henry Clay (my namesake)
well, when someone can plausibly deny something
you can’t really prove guilt, so it’s hard to come up with examples that we know full well are guilty. Calipari just comes to mind because he’s often suspected as guilty. And I needed someone to compare to Calhoun so that I could keep it in parallel with Pearl and Tressel
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jul 25, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Tressel, Pryor, FBI: Plot Thickens
Do with it as you will but this blog poses some revealing insight and troubling questions.
"Statistics are no substitute for judgment" — Henry Clay (my namesake)
With due respect to the author ...
… this is a man who does not understand how federal investigations work. He is making up an excuse for Tressel out of whole cloth, and you buy it at your peril.
First of all, no matter what the FBI says, does, or claims, if the fact of an investigation is revealed to you, and that revelation shows information that you are ethically, legally and contractually required to disclose to your employer, you may not substitute your own judgment for your requirements to perform under your contract. Tressel had absolutely no obligation under the law to comply with the FBI’s request for secrecy at the expense of his contractual obligation, assuming that request actually existed.
Instead, what he was ethically required but obviously failed to do was engage an attorney, inform him of the facts, and allow that attorney to advise him how to proceed. His attorney could have then contacted the AUSA in charge of the investigation and a rational decision could have been made as to the disposition of the NCAA violations. If the AUSA felt strongly about protecting the secrecy of the investigation, he would have explained that to OSU’s counsel. That would have provided all the cover OSU needed to hold off reporting the matter until the need for secrecy was no longer required.
Assuming all this blogger’s speculation is completely accurate, doing that would have saved Tressel’s job and had all of college sports lauding him for taking care and trying to do the right thing whatever the outcome. Without a court order, neither the FBI, nor any government agency, can compel a private citizen to secrecy. All they can do is ask you to volunteer it, and if Tressel did that, then he was a lot dumber than a man of his position and experience should be.
So don’t pay attention to this sort of speculation, it comes from people who don’t understand the investigative process or the legal ramifications of it. Rather, these are guys who are looking to find a way to make Tressel’s unbelievably silly defense look somehow plausible.
It isn’t.
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lots of this going round
time for Tressel, et al. to man up, get on the gridiron of life and face the hit from 250lb DB coming at him. No sidelines to cut to for safety, no sliding on the turf, jus the bone rattling hit destined to come his way when he was handed the ball and told to run ;j
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OSU
I originally caught a lot of flak at my fav OSU site for saying that all 5 kids in Tatgate should sit out the Sugar Bowl. Any and all suspensions should start immediately. Delayed suspensions? What the hell is THAT all about? I wasn’t alone but I definately was in the minority. And, I originally sided with Tressel’s “I was asked to keep it confidential” story. But as the facts became know, it was obvious to all but the Knights of the Big Mouth that Tress had stepped over the line and was a goner. Now he, and soon OSU, will pay the price and rightly so.
An interesting side note. A lot of people are saying that the NCAA loves OSU and gives them preferential treatment. At least as far as the football program goes. The NCAA sold out on the Sugar Bowl and there’s no way to sugarcoat that no matter how the NCAA tries/tried to spin it. But, it wasn’t about OSU. It’s about the money, plain and simple. Same with Cam Newton, they wanted the big payday. But, here’s the interesting part, at least to me. The fans over there are complaining that the NCAA HATES OSU and is out to get them. Sometimes I think that I could post their comments here, change the names from OSU football to UK basketball, and no one would be the wiser. It’s all in the perspective, as Will Shelton points out.
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by bigbill992001 on Jul 24, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You're close
But the NCAA didn’t sell out on the Sugar Bowl. They had some “push” in that direction. When you can figure out who had the most to lose if those 5 didn’t play, you’ll be farther along. Also ask yourself where the money came from that went to Cecil Newton and why the FBI is interested in a college QB and the owner of a tat shop. There’s a storm a brewin’.
by Chuck Chapman on Jul 24, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The reason for the FBI's interest ...
… has nothing whatever to do with college football.
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With due respect, Glen
Neither myself nor Tressel are offering excuses. Tressel is very clear in the transcript that, in hindsight, he would have consulted with the university’s attorney, but is also very clear that he would NOT have consulted compliance or the athletic department.
No one has alleged that Tressel maintained that he not do that. That was his call not to consult the attorney. The question remains, however, why, even in hindsight, would Tressel say he wouldn’t consult his own compliance people when his track record shows that he did that regularly and with matters of relative minutiae?
Tressel did contact a federal agent four days after hearing from Cicero the first time. While Tressel has never said so, what I’m hearing from VERY reliable sources, and is confirmed if you read between the lines in the interview, is that he was told to take whatever measures he could to avoid disrupting this investigation. Tressel acknowledges he knew that meant NCAA sanctions, but he did it anyway and would do that again, save contacting university counsel.
We have to ask ourselves why would Tressel, who suspended Troy Smith for $500 and kicked Clarett off the team, would forego bringing in compliance in this matter? As more of this investigation gets completed, you’ll see the answer to that question.
To your point, it was not the aim of my article to offer a “defense” for Tressel. He can and has spoken for himself and accepts responsibility for whatever NCAA rules were broken. Moreover, he would do it again. That should tell you a lot.
Hi Chuck. Welcome to A Sea of Blue.
Here is my response:
Tressel unquestionably offered a fear of obstructing an FBI investigation as the reason he didn’t come forward. Read OSU’s response to the NCAA.
Assuming that were the case, consulting OSU’s attorney would not have helped him. The client for that attorney is the OSU, not Tressel. Attorney-client privilege would not apply, and OSU’s attorney would be ethically free to take it up with the compliance department. Tressel needed his own paid attorney to protect his interests and secure that A/C privilege.
Why would Tressel not consult his compliance people? The answers seems straightforward — he did not want to jeopardize OSU’s chances at a national title by suspending Pryor et. al. He rationalized an excuse that he would be obstructing justice to do so, and instead of taking the correct actions, figured he could use his “fear” of obstruction to avoid the consequences of his actions.
You cannot confirm anything from undisclosed “reliable sources.” What you have is speculation, but even if I grant that all you heard is true and that Tressel contacted an FBI investigator, it could not have possibly done him any good. The only person who could have helped in this case is the AUSA supervising the investigation. Why didn’t he contact him? Also, the FBI has no authority to require private citizens to do anything if the secrecy of an investigation is compromised. That requires a court order. All Tressel had to do to discover this fact was to place a phone call to his lawyer.
What we really have to ask ourselves is how Tressel became so trusted. He was repeatedly admonished by OSU for a failure to report violations, and was criticized at his previous job at Youngstown St. for his lack of commitment to compliance.
Finally, Tressel’s claim that he “would do it again” is utterly meaningless as a probative matter, and tells me only one thing — Tressel is trying to make everyone believe that his motives were pure. If that convinces anyone, I would accuse them of both naïveté and ignoring Tressel’s past failures, which probably inform this one.
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If i may
The media, in a further instance of sensationalizing everything, failed to tell about those “violations”. Coach Tressel gave the family of a recruit a jersey and tickets to a game. The horrendous violation occured after the recruit, a highly ranked player committed to OSU, died before ever getting to play a game. A violation? Yes.
http://www.thelantern.com/2.1351/coach-remembers-fallen-player-osu-top-recruit-1.99647
Also, the “new media”, as they call themselves, has been proven wrong at every turn. They have a clique of “writers” that find it important to shape public perception without regard to facts. The group mentality was very evident with the feldman suspension (or not) a few weeks ago. I could point out the inaccuracies, but will not bore you with them.
Thanks for your time.
IMO, the Tressel/OSU situation is worse than Pearl/Tenn
Based on their actions alone, not the actions of others. Both administrations look terrible in these cases.
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I don't agree.
I think both are equally bad.
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Absolutely they are both bad
Its like trying to figure out which is the worse serial killer. I in no way meant to lessen what Pearl did. I guess I just hear more about the OSU situation being in teh Cincy area.
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This is part of the mentality of college athletics that got it to the place it is now.
Saying this is a “bad” violation, or this is an “innocent” one, or this was a “secondary” one is why we have this mess.
Make a violation, a violation. Throw out all of these rules that do not apply in a tech advanced world, get up to speed on how to handle facebook, twitter, texting, voice mails, and every other kind of electronic media.
Get rid of recruiting periods. The recruiting period is real simple. Run it from April 1st to November 1st for basketball. From Jan 1st to July 1st for football. Make coaches use game recordings for recruiting instead of trying to watch live games, and allow 2 visits with each kid away from school, 2 visits at school. Make those visits away from school during the recruiting period. Make the visits to school during the off recruiting period.
Throw the AAU out of it. If kids want to participate and send a tape to a coach, fine. But no headcoaches, nor assistants, nor anyone affiliated with a school is allowed to attend AAU events. The price for doing the job.
Tell Nike, Adidas, and any other company it’s hands off. They can market to anyone they choose, but an NCAA coach cannot attend an non-NCAA sanctioned event.
Give the kids anything they need to attend school, any funds they need for travel or any other thing while they attend, but no “runners, friends, family members ( other than parents or siblings), nor any other relationship” get to travel with teams, get to room with teams, nor get to be in locker rooms, or practice facilities, unless pre-screened by the NCAA, and vetted. That way there are no slip-ups in who is allowed and who is not.
Stop the madness, stop making excuses for non compliance, and start making preemptive rules instead of reacting to things that have already happened. Stop the violations before they can occur.
You might not get everyone or every violator, but you will stop a lot of the things which are leading to these violations now.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Jul 25, 2011 9:19 AM EDT reply actions
looks like more one person thinks that Emmert dropped the ball on this one
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Jul 25, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
This is one of the silliest, least serious articles ever before to assail my vision.
It is an offense to reason, and utterly unfair in every respect.
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by Glenn Logan on Jul 25, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
possibly, but
there are more than one or two people claiming that OSU knew a lot more than they say they did…..
I just do not believe that Tressel was the only person at that school who knew what was going on. I have no doubt that it was probably his call to handle it the way it was handled, but I do not find his statements that he told people at OSU about to be untruthful. I know this is Lee Harvey Oswald conspiracy theory stuff, but as some folks are so fond of saying, it is what it is.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Jul 25, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
And, by default, if OSU did know, even if it was only one person who was in a position
to be able to say something to someone else, then it is, as they say in the moving pictures, a conspiracy
And Emmert, as the head of the NCAA, is responsible for it being properly investigated.
It is just more fuel for the fire that the NCAA wants some things to happen and others not to.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Jul 25, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohio State explicitly denied that in their response.
They didn’t just list when Tressel did tell them, they explicitly detailed when he did not:
Tressel did not report his knowledge during the institution’s initial inquiry in December 2010 – In December, upon learning of the information in the Department of Justice letter, the institution held several meetings in which Tressel was in attendance. He was informed by institutional officials of the information in the letter and how this information could affect the student-athletes’ eligibility. Tressel was aware that the institution was self-reporting this information and that the student-athletes’ eligibility was being affected. Nevertheless, he did not mention his knowledge of this situation nor did he inform institutional officials of the e-mails between he and Cicero.
If Tressel is now claiming he did, I’m afraid I don’t believe him. He has already signed a false statement and unethically failed to inform his school of NCAA violations as required by his contract and NCAA rules. And we are supposed to now take his word that, oh, OSU knew about it in December they just didn’t report it because they … what, wanted to go to the Sugar Bowl that they had to know would be vacated? This makes sense to you?
Jeebus, Greg. How many conspiracy theories?
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This is not about a conspiracy theory. This is about a program with a history
of this behavior, and a compliance department that has shown a history of letting it happen. Look at the O’Brien situation from a few years ago. O’Brien gave a recruit 6K and it took the compliance dept 5 years to find out about it?
Look at what happened with Art Schlichter…….Look at this from KSR….Ohio State’s Rep is just as bad if not worse than ours, and we all know for a fact what happened here at UK in the past.
Ask yourself this question, who got more out of the trip to the Sugar Bowl, Tressel or OSU? It’s about the MONEY.
If it was not about the money, then OSU should have just said, we are forfeiting our appearance in the Sugar Bowl due to violations we found in our program after Tressel reported them, WHENEVER he reported them.
And letting those kids play was a joke.
This is not about who shot JFK, this is about who made the money off of the actions taken by Tressel, AND OSU.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Jul 25, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Ask yourself this question, who got more out of the trip to the Sugar Bowl, Tressel or OSU? It’s about the MONEY.
Neither one of them! They were always going to have to give that money back!
Even if I allow, which I do not, that OSU knew a month earlier, it could not possibly have made any difference — they were always going to have to give that money back! They had to know that it could not be covered up because the feds were involved.
It makes absolutely no sense for them to have done that knowing that they were going to have to give it up anyway. It isn’t even a decent conspiracy theory because it makes no sense.
Look, no matter what the history is, OSU’s compliance clearly did a good job on this one. Do not believe this nonsense you are reading, it is all just people trying to get hits by coming up with utterly implausible scenarios that they can use to prey on the hate of others. It’s bull.
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you do not know for sure that they would have to give back the money and neither did they
It’s like going to vegas and getting a spin at the roulette wheel when you know that win or lose, you dont lose.
They gambled with money they didnt yet have. If they won, they keep it, if they lost, they didnt lose any.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Jul 25, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Missing the forest for the trees
Like the media, everyone here is focused on NCAA violations. If you’ve seen “Fletch” there’s a scene where Fletch is brought into Chief Carlin’s office to be confronted about his digging into drug trafficking that involves the police.
He says to the chief, “You may be interested to know some of your men may be involved in all of this.”
Let’s just say there are some uncomfortable people in Indianapolis right now and it’s not because of the summer heat.
I, for one, agree.... but you will find me to be in the minority around here
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Jul 25, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
A Lack of Institutional Control?
I’m confused. Is not the head coach an employee of the “Insitution”? Is not the head coach delegated the responsibility to abide by NCAA rules and regulations? If the head coach blatently disregards those said NCAA rules and regulations, is he not acting on behalf of the Institution that employes him and is their agent?

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