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The New NCAA Draft Deadline: Good For Coaches, Colleges And Seniors, Bad For Everyone Else

There has been much Sturm und Drang about the new NCAA draft entry deadline, which has been moved from May 8th to the end of the late signing period, which this year would have been April 12th, a mere 8 days removed from the NCAA Tournament championship game.  The rule has been universally panned by virtually the entire NCAA basketball commentariat.

First, some background.  Last year, the draft decision deadline changed to May 8th from sometime in June at the insistence of the ACC coaches.  This year, that same group proposed moving it all the way back to the end of the late signing period, which is sometime in mid-April, effectively eliminating the utility of the "testing the waters" process.

Now, before you go off and blame Mike Krzyzewski and Roy Williams, let's remember that they didn't pass the rule, the entirety of the NCAA did -- the ACC coaches merely proposed it.  That means that most schools are on board with this thing, even if some coaches and schools may not be.  The NCAA is, at its core, a democratic institution where all schools have a more or less equal say.

There is no doubt that this new deadline hurts players.  It doesn't hurt the Brandon Knights or the Terrence Jones', but it really does hurt the late-to-marginal first-round picks like Shelvin Mack.  These types of players count on the evaluation period, known as "testing the waters," where college players can declare for the draft and then, after some workouts and getting some feedback from professional teams, decide whether to stay in the draft or return to school.  This latest NCAA rule has the effect of making the so-called "testing the waters" period all of one week during the NBA playoffs, which effectively renders it non-existent for its intended purpose.

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The outrage has been directed primarily at college coaches, but they are only the vehicle here, and quite possibly are acting as a foil for the NCAA proper.  This was a decision made mostly by college athletics administrators and presidents.  So while it would be convenient to point the finger at the "multi-millionaire coaches" as so many people have done, the blame, if blame there is, should be shared equally with the college administrations.  The fact that their interests run directly parallel with that of the coaches makes the proposal by coaches more a matter of convenience than anything else.  It would have eventually been proposed by administrators if the coaches did not have the guts to do it.

So why was this decision made?  Money, pure and simple.  The NCAA is fed up with losing their talented players early every year to the NBA.  They are tired of the NBA doing things that benefit the Association and harm the revenue stream of college sports.  As usual, its all about the money, and money is what puts students in the classroom and teams on the hardwood.

There is no doubt that this decision harms the NBA.  They are now faced with making riskier draft picks when you get outside the draft lottery, which likely means the stock of more experienced players will go up compared to the talented youngsters. That suits the NCAA just fine, as they would much prefer to see their four-year seniors have a chance to earn higher draft picks and the "one and done" freshmen sweat it out a little if they decide to take the plunge rather than returning to school.

This decision definitely hurts underclassmen who develop from the lower prospect levels to the upper ones through years of NCAA play.  They are the ones who most often wind up as later picks, and as a result, they are the ones who will be taking the greatest chances with the new deadlines.

One group this decision helps are college seniors who exhaust their eligibility.  They will be able to be much more of a "known" quantity to the NBA, and even if it won't quite put them on par with their more talented underclass teammates, it will serve to make them more attractive at the lower picks than marginal underclassmen.

I think this possibility is largely overlooked by the commentariat..  Players who spend four years in college have been greatly marginalized by the "one and done" rule since it was implemented, and underclassmen have a great advantage over the seniors in that the system as currently instituted is actually designed to benefit underclassmen more than a player who finishes school.  This new rule levels that playing field somewhat.

It's ironic that many of the same people who bemoan the preponderance of early entry and lack of players graduating college now attack the NCAA for taking an action that makes the decision to return to school easier and less risky.  When you don't know whether or not you are a first-rounder, its less risky to come back until you are sure, and oh, by the way, earn an education in the process.

I don't want to give credit where it isn't due, and I don't really think the NCAA was trying to help anybody but themselves with this decision.  I look at this as more of a slap at the NBA, who is patently and happily using NCAA schools for their minor leagues rather than taking the time and investing the capital to turn the NBADL into a viable alternative to college for players out of high school.  The NBA has been getting the NCAA to do that job for them at the NCAA's expense, and the administrators are sick of it. 

I don't blame them.  The NBA uses the Players Association's reticence as an excuse not to implement a more viable eligibility rule (like, say, major league baseball's), and by doing so not only sap the NCAA of the players it needs to make it popular (and profitable), but shames them into bending over backwards -- its all about the kids, you know -- to help underclassmen leave their school and opt for an early pro career.  This has always been a one-way benefit, and you can sell anything to Americas by invoking the "welfare of the kids," no matter how dubious its actual utility.

The underclassmen, however, are caught in the middle.  I think there is way too much hyperbole surrounding this decision, though, because underclassmen going to the NBA has become such a part of college basketball culture that nobody looks at the consequences to anyone but them.  It's as if graduating seniors are considered the second-class citizens of college basketball, and that the only thing that matters is the welfare of talented underclassmen who may make a bad decision to leave early.  That's too bad.

In the end, this new rule is just another shot in the ongoing battle for dollars between the NCAA and the NBA.  That's all it is, no matter who's ox gets gored or who benefits outside of the two organizations.

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Glenn, don't you think...

…this makes the NBA re-consider the one-and-done rule? They will have less time to look at all the talent, so by making a 2 year stay in college mandatory they have a longer evaluation period?

by UK1972 on May 3, 2011 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

I think it just might.

I also think that was part of the design. If it works, it would have been worth it.

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by Glenn Logan on May 3, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

He isn't against it. He very much dislikes the "one and done" rule..

He has even been quoted as saying this year that he would love to have BK and TJ back.

by Cameron1 on May 3, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah ...

… but he doesn’t want 2 and done. He wants players to go straight from high school. So he says.

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by Glenn Logan on May 3, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because Calipari doesn't want a 2-year mandatory stay.

He wants players to be able to go straight from college. Plus, how would it look to the players if he came out for this position? It would undermine his entire previous arguments.

Calipari, quite frankly, cares most about players who can leave early. That’s just the way it is right now, and the reason is pretty clear — if he comes out for anything that forces players to go to school longer, or makes it more difficult to leave, he will open himself up to accusations of hypocrisy.

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by Glenn Logan on May 3, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

2 and Done

I am really starting to believe that after the new NBA Collective Bargaining talks, they will implement a new age limit and/or 2 year of college rule. I think this would be a win/win/win for everyone :college/ nba/ and fans . College wold retain more talent, in which turn is better for the fan base. The bigger fan base in college, means more money for Universities. Also , talent that does go to the NBA after 2 years will be much more mature, in which will make the NBA more competitive ! LIke a said, a win/win/win !

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by Sam Henson on May 3, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is like a game of chess between the NCAA and the NBA.

It is the NBA’s move. Straight out of high school or 2 year rule should be coming soon.

by ScottWalls on May 4, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think they should allow players to go straight to the NBA from high school.

They should be allowed to go straight to the NBADL. That would solve ALOT of issues. Then the players that were left would really be student-athletes. Maybe even add in a rule that NBA scouts couldn’t even sniff around a college player until after year two.

by Cameron1 on May 3, 2011 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

ACC coaches and administrative staff

are proposing this rule change? I know Coach Cal says he doesn’t like the one and done…. but, who has the most benefit from the 1 n d and who stands to lose the most if it changes… UK will lose the enormous cache of talent that Cal brings in each year… the fact that little 5 star talent was seen at UK after the Pitino era put UK behind the 8 ball in recruiting… Tubby didn’t want them and BCG couldn’t get ’em… UK has really suffered immeasurably… NO ACC coach wants to face the multi headed python being created by UK… the #1 recruiting class every year, or everyother year, that Cal brings in shows all schools except for UK are fighting for the hind tit… No doubt, they want to change the rules in their favor.

by Foxtrail1 on May 3, 2011 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I am not so sure that

the changes will hurt UK that much.

UK will lose the enormous cache of talent that Cal brings in each year

There are more factors at work than just a Calipari guided fast track to the NBA. High profile exposure in the form of primetime media coverage and Cal’s use of the talents that the top notch recruits bring with them will not change. They will have more time to develop the skills that will give them the competitive edge for going higher in the draft.

We may not get 4 to 5 per year, but 2 to 3 plus experienced backups will make us even harder to beat and even good players look great on a winning team.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on May 3, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not only that ...

… it doesn’t change the fact that Calipari gets players NBA-ready faster than any coach in college basketball. Whether it is one year or four, that’s the guy the players are going to want to play for.

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by Glenn Logan on May 3, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a Kentucky fan...

I’d like to believe this but I’m not sure there’s much objective support for this idea. We have seen the type of recruiting classes Cal can bring in under existing 1-n-done rules where he has established what is perceived as a NBA pipeline. But absent the 19-year-old rule, consider the confusion and lost recruits Billy Donavon experienced trying to judge which HS players were going to go to the draft and the resulting uneven classes he brought in. In fact all the top programs lost commitments to the NBA draft which resulted in recruiting classes with significant holes. If you don’t know who is “best available” until late June (3 months before classes start) the decisions/mistakes about who to be most heavily involved with in any class made 2 or 3 years ago may prove problematic.

College baseball teams fight the problem on a perennial basis as their highest wish-list prospects are bid away by the MLB and the dollars involved are significantly less than that offered by the NBA draft.

Cal had good recruiting classes at Memphis but not great. We like to think the Kentucky brand is the difference but it may well be that the recruiting environment requiring 19-year-olds to find a home for a year is the decisive factor.

by TeamWeaver on May 3, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get the best players available...

That is Cal’s mantra. Remove the few that go straight to the NBA from he mix and there will still be “best available” players..those will be the ones that Cal targets. The marginal high school to NBA players will still want to go to UK cause the shortest distance between the two is still a straight line through Lexington. We will be in the mix as long as coach Cal is at the helm..no matter what the puzzle palace edicts..

by BlueOrion on May 3, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

God Bless Our Troops............Especially Our Snipers!

by bigbill992001 on May 3, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually...

the point I was trying to make was that other schools and coaches that don’t get many of the 1 and d are making more rules that make it even more difficult for UK and Coach Cal to succeed…

by Foxtrail1 on May 3, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Glenn..."[You] don't blame them[?]" Why?

Well, anyway, I blame them.

First, let’s be clear, the NBA is a FOR PROFIT business organization. The NCAA is supposed to be all about the student athlete. The NBA is functioning consistent with their responsibility to their business constituency. The NCAA on the other hand has abdicated their moral high ground and loco parentis responsibility by victimizing innocent kids in a struggle over the retention of underclass talent – retention of underclass talent who the NCAA refuses to compensate. The bad part of this is that the NCAA is itself a foil for a few top programs (epitomized by the ACC coaches) in their struggle over a small number of talented players. Universities invite (Ney… beg!) prospective employers on campus constantly. If it doesn’t interfere with a college’s educational mission to have representatives of industry interviewing how do you in conscience bar the NBA? … The team needs to keep a big man? Personally, I’m deeply saddened by this blatant NCAA attack on these young men.

Second, as Kentucky fans, we have a tremendous stake in maintaining Cal’s recognized one-n-done advantage which is the motivation for Krzyzewski’s and Williams’ campaign against the “testing the waters” process. To a much greater extent than Kentucky under Cal, their recruiting programs are geared to establishing a progression of talent and the disruption inherent in early entry offends their sense of propriety (Rigidity of an older coaching philosophy?) and threatens them personally by requiring a big change in their recruiting methods thereby potentially their programs’ long term success (Krzyzewski’s more than Williams’ imo).

“One group this decision helps is college seniors who exhaust their eligibility. … Players who spend four years in college have been greatly marginalized by the “one and done” rule since it was implemented, and underclassmen have a great advantage over the seniors in that the system as currently instituted is actually designed to benefit underclassmen more than a player who finishes school. This new rule levels that playing field somewhat."

Lastly, I’ve heard this before but am not sure about this statement. IMO, talent is taken by the NBA whenever it becomes attractive. Players who require more time in college to develop into a desirable NBA prospect are not directly injured by underclassmen leaving before them. In fact, as underclassmen leave they uncover remaining players thereby providing opportunities to compete for playing time and media recognition based on their more experienced talent, an opportunity they would not get if a John Wall, Jodie Meeks, Patrick Patterson or Demarcus Cousins stayed for 4-years further adding all that experience to their 5-star talent.

Some have argued that there is a stigma attached to upperclassmen laboring under the perception that if they were really talented they’d already be gone. I think we as fans might be overvaluing a senior we’ve bonded with over 4 years. The reality is these ‘elder’ athletes, in competition, have earlier failed to impress NBA player personnel people with their pro- potential for whatever reason. Drafting underclassmen actually allows these upperclassmen to showcase their more experienced talent against inexperienced replacement freshmen. If a senior can’t/hasn’t show(n) he’s the superior player worthy of a shot in the pros in an environment where his competition is constantly being selected out then I got nothing but heart felt sympathy for his pain and lost dream.

by TeamWeaver on May 3, 2011 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

your last paragraph

is pretty much right on, TW. Cold, hard facts.

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by bigbill992001 on May 3, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Real World ...

Can indeed be competitively cruel, but who would have it any other way? It’s the pathway to excellence.

"I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up truth to your eyes." Thomas Paine, December 23, 1776

by Wild Weasel on May 3, 2011 7:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Response

The NCAA is supposed to be all about the student athlete. The NBA is functioning consistent with their responsibility to their business constituency.

The NCAA has never been about the student-athlete, regardless of any claims to the contrary.  It has always been about the institutional response to charges of abuse of student athletes.  Just as the NBA is serving their constituency with the one-and-done rule, the NCAA is serving theirs (colleges and universities) by making its implementation harder.  Student-athletes are not the constituency of the NCAA and never have been.

Additionally, we will agree to disagree about whether seniors benefit by this new rule.  I think they do, and your argument has not persuaded me otherwise.  We will never know for sure unless this new arrangement survives the fluid situation that now exists, which it probably won’t.  But assuming my premise is right, the NCAA could easily defend their actions for no other reason than it is consistent with their educational mission to favor upperclassmen’s success over that of underclassmen, and I would be hard pressed to disagree.

Second, as Kentucky fans, we have a tremendous stake in maintaining Cal’s recognized one-n-done advantage which is the motivation for Krzyzewski’s and Williams’ campaign against the "testing the waters" process.

I completely agree, especially with the first clause.  Unfortunately, Kentucky is perhaps the only school in America that benefits greatly from the one-and-done rule.  Since the NCAA is ruled by the majority, it is fantasy to imagine that we could maintain such an advantage for long.  I think we all knew it could not be sustained.

Drafting underclassmen actually allows these upperclassmen to showcase their more experienced talent against inexperienced replacement freshmen.

This seems plausible on its face, but seems like a weak position when you consider that the vast majority of NCAA teams are not really testing themselves against inexperienced freshmen.  Plus, the NCAA member institutions clearly hope to dilute the concentration of talented freshmen at schools like Kentucky, which would tend to mitigate this effect if it actually does exist.

There is no doubt that this new rule hurts Kentucky to some degree.  I think that Calipari is still the best option for talented players to find their way into a high draft pick the fastest, and therefore I don’t expect Kentucky’s appeal to be much lessened by this new rule.  Of course, I could be wrong.

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by Glenn Logan on May 4, 2011 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't imagine this rule change will have any impact on NBA selecting talent from colleges

The NBA still has a demand for talented basketball players. Players still want to play in the NBA (even more so than in times past, the goal to “get to the league” is the principle goal). The NBA will have fewer data points on which to base decisions and so will the players. However, those who the NBA wants will still opt for the draft, and some players will still make suboptimal decisions (i.e., Terrence Jennings).

Unitl the failure rate of underclassmen in the NBA is high enough, I don’t think much will change. And, I don’t expect the failure rate to achieve that lofty status.

by jdogblue on May 3, 2011 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

My Opinion

Players should be able to go straight from HS, after 1 year, or 2 years, or 3 years if they want.

NBA is a job. Anybody 18 years old and qualified for a job should be allowed to apply for it.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 3, 2011 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't disagree.

I do think the NBA should be able to set qualifications, including experience, for entry into their draft.

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by Glenn Logan on May 4, 2011 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

True Dat

But there are enough examples of Straight From HS, 1 yr, 2 yr, or 3 yr players having NBA success to eliminate any of those options.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 4, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't agree.

I think there are examples both ways, and most of them are negative.

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by Glenn Logan on May 4, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Few Are Truly Negative

Some make the NBA, many get paid good $ to play overseas instead.

Not very many really see a totally negative result.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 4, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The NBA has been getting the NCAA to do that job for them at the NCAA’s expense, and the administrators are sick of it. I don’t blame them…. This has always been a one-way benefit, and you can sell anything to Americas by invoking the “welfare of the kids,” no matter how dubious its actual utility.

Are you saying that a May 8 deadline compared to April 12 is of “dubious actual utility”? I sure wouldn’t say that.

And there is a reason playing the “welfare of the kids” card works so well with many people- it definitely works with me. The reason is because the welfare of the kids and their families is what I care about.

As for your NBA vs. Administrators (“I don’t blame them”)- the NBA has a business to run. The administrators are supposedly making decisions in the best interest of the kids. It is not a two entity show (NBA vs the schools)- it has at least three (including the kids). Spin it however you want, but the decision to move back the deadline does not show any concern for the welfare of the kids whatsoever. That is the sad joke in all of this.

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"I watch (UK) every night... I am going to support them for the rest of my life. I'm a Wildcat for the rest of my life." -- JWall, 2/8/11

by HSLex on May 3, 2011 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

No.

What I was saying was that the entire rule allowing “testing the waters” was sold on that basis. It used to be that you could not do that, you had to declare your intentions and that was it.

My remark about “dubious utility” was directed at the fact that the NCAA is getting jobbed, as an institution, by the process. They have no duty to the “kids” or anyone else to allow them to explore NBA early entry without consequence, especially since is is directly contrary to their interests. It was sold to the NCAA on the basis that some early entry players were making bad decisions, but in reality, those are decisions made by adults of the age of consent, albeit young ones. We send such kids to prison when they break the law and allow them to serve in the armed forces where they might be killed, but we somehow expect the NCAA to coddle athletes as if they were tweens.

The NCAA was costing itself money by arguably helping these young adults make decisions that were usually in the best interests of the NBA, but not necessarily in the interest of the young men or the NCAA.

I understand that the NBA has a business to run, but so does the NCAA, n’est ce pas? And since when was the NCAA ever about the kids? It was formed as an institutional response to accusations that colleges were abusing student athletes. It has never, ever been about the kids, but about the institutions, and that has not changed.

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by Glenn Logan on May 4, 2011 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

BIlas' thoughts

Jay Bilas recently wrote some thoughts about this subject, and he believes the best option is to eliminate the “testing the waters” option completely: you declare for the draft, you are declaring your intent to be a professional and thereby lose your student-athlete status.

I like the idea, and I think it would, over time, make the NBA less inclined to draft merely on potential, and instead choose more players with proven results, which in turn encourages players to stay in school, which in turn strengthens college basketball. Everyone wins. NCAA gets to continue to pretend they are all about student athletes, colleges get players for multiple years, players get better results, etc.

by wildcatfaninexile on May 4, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think ...

… Jay and I are on the same wavelength.

I don’t know if it’s good or bad, but it has more potential for good than those who pan it are willing to admit.

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by Glenn Logan on May 4, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Just declare and that’s it.

The increase in early entrants to NBA started with Kevin Garnett in 1995 and Kobe Bryant in 1996. But it hasn’t hurt college basketball overall.

Starting with UK in mid 1990’s, and continuing until now, college basketball remains very popular. The NCAA tournament is more popular than ever.

Let those who want to try to play pro basketball, do so whenever they want.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 5, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've got a question...

Does anybody know why the NBA has a rule stopping teams from contacting a college player prior to his entering the draft?

I ask because the MLB allows teams to negotiate with prospective players before they make their decision to enter the draft or go to college.

Without knowing the reason the NBA blocks this contact before hand, it would seem reasonable for the NBA to just bypass the NCAA’s road blocks by allowing teams to give some information about which college players they would like to enter the draft in any year – a list compiled by the league office from individual team lists of first round draft worthy candidates. There could be obvious problems with over recruitment but I’m sure that can be overcome; e.g., a minimum draft compensation shared by the initial listing teams for anybody who goes undrafted in the first round.

by TeamWeaver on May 3, 2011 9:12 PM EDT reply actions  

No idea.

I think it’s a stupid and unfair rule.

The baseball rule is a really good model for the NBA, and I do wish they’d adopt it. Culturally, however, they probably can’t.

If the lockout doesn’t produce changes, perhaps the NBA will do what you suggest, and they might. It just depends on how they perceive the threat from it, and whether or not publishing such a list will mitigate it.

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by Glenn Logan on May 4, 2011 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

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