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Kentucky Wildcats Basketball: Finding The Sweet Spot

Terrence Jones and Doron Lamb are the first players ranked in the top 25 out of high school to return for a second year under coach Calipari at Kentucky.

We're officially past the signing deadline for the 2011 recruiting class, but three players who have expressed interest in Kentucky and are still undecided -- DeAndre Daniels, Tony Woods and Ryan Harrow -- are still waiting to make a final decision.  Regardless, Kentucky now knows generally what the roster will look like for next year, and FortyYearCatFan has laid it out in this FanPost.

The question we will be examining today is, where is Kentucky's sweet spot, vis-a-vis scholarships, under John Calipari?

Only one of the last two years did Kentucky have a full compliment of scholarships, and that was in Coach Cal's first year.  Last year, Kentucky got by with 10 players, only six of whom played for 10 minutes per game or more, and those six players averaged over 31 minutes per game between them.

The previous year, Calipari spread the minutes out much more, with nine players averaging 10 minutes or more, and his top six players averaging just over 26.5 minutes per game.

The current roster contains 12 players including two potential walk-ons -- Jarrod Polson and Twany Beckham -- so Kentucky could make room for as many as three more players, although that seems unlikely to happen.

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When you look at how Calipari plays his reserves and at the relative talent+experience level of the previous two teams, the 2011-12 team seems to represent the "sweet spot" for Kentucky.  There are enough talented players to see significant minutes well past the top six, and the backups would appear to be either good enough or experienced enough to earn around 10 minutes per game this coming season.

I think this is why many recruits are looking elsewhere at this point.  Kentucky does not generally involve itself with recruits below the Rivals 5* level very much.  Kentucky has recruited some lower ranked players under Calipari -- Stacey Poole, Eloy Vargas and Marcus Thornton come immediately to mind -- but for the most part, UK is attempting to bring in as many top 25 players as possible.

I think the sweet spot for Kentucky under coach Calipari will be 10-11 scholarship players with a walk-on or two who can earn a scholarship.  Calipari has shown relatively small interest in recruiting four-year players, which is where all but the highest 4-star players will wind up. 

The new NBA collective bargaining agreement might change that, but for the moment, it seems to me that getting more than 10 or 11 high-quality players on scholarship might be the exception rather than the rule at Kentucky.  Also, given Calipari's propensity so far to play only a limited rotation, it is entirely possible that better players will feel that they could wind up buried on the bench, much like Stacey Poole and Jon Hood.

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10 to 11 five star recruits seems like a tall order

I agree that the mix we have is probably as collectively high a talent level as can be maintained. If that is the case, Jon Hood and Stacey Poole are going to have to bring it this year. Without any additional point guard help, Doron Lamb will play some point this year and Hood and Poole will have to contribute for optimum results.

by chicagoblues on May 23, 2011 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I think there is potential for some issues with the 2012/13 roster

With Vargas and Miller graduating, with Lamb and Jones likely leaving for the draft after their sophmore years, and with three of the four incoming freshmen likely candidates for declaring for the draft, the roster holdovers for 2012/13 would be:

Jon Hood
Jarrod Polson
Stacey Poole
Kyle Wiltjer
Twany Beckham

So even if Coach Cal were to bring in five 5* recruits for the 2012/13 season, the roster would still be relatively thin with only 10 total players and a likely seven or eight man rotation.

That is why I thought it made sense for Coach Cal to use the remaining scholarships this year to bring in a few “lower level prospects” (read as 4*) who might be able to contribute 8 to 10 minutes per game in 2012/13.

"All aboard! There is plenty of room."
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by trross1200 on May 23, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Or a transfer

Like Ryan Harrow who could practice with the team but sit out the games in 2011/2012, and then Coach Cal would have an experienced player ready for major minutes in 2012/13.

"All aboard! There is plenty of room."
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by trross1200 on May 23, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking ...

at least one of those you project to the 2012 NBA draft will not leave. I don’t know who it might be but my potential two candidates are Lamb and Teague.

Teague is currently ranked toward the bottom of the 1st-round, doesn’t have a big offensive game and as a freshman PG could easily slide to the 2nd-round without too much trouble.

Doron is currently seeded at the top of the 2nd-round of the 2012 draft and I think he is going to stick there. I believe Lamb’s career at UK will parallel J. J. Redick’s 4-years at Duke – a pure shooter who would project as an identical type of role player at the next level. Hopefully Doron will earn the same honor afforded Redick at Duke and we wind up retiring his jersey when he graduates having played on a couple of championship teams.

If either or both of those two along with a Calipari-esq recruiting class would leave us with a typical Calipari starting line-up in 2012.

by TeamWeaver on May 23, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome to A Sea of Blue!

I think you make a good point, but it’s hard to get 4* players to come in knowing they are going to sit out.

I think we do have a major issue for 2013 right now, but I think we’ll be “settling” for some high 4*’s that year who will see some playing time. 2013 looks like a year where talent here might be a bit less than the last couple of years, but you never know with Calipari on the recruiting trail.

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by Glenn Logan on May 23, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

2012 class?

Is the 2012 class a deep class? I have no idea who the targets are, but there seem to be plenty of top targets who aren’t looking at UK. The 2012-13 season wouldn’t be as good, but the returning sophomores could make the following year really special.

by doldham on May 23, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

By 2013 ...

… I meant the year, not the class. We are talking about the 2012 recruiting class

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by Glenn Logan on May 23, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, it sheds another light on why we are seriously courting Harrow and Woods

by BCinVA on May 23, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

hood/poole

An 8 man rotation would require Poole and Hood to make improvements. I am hoping that Poole’s lack of playing time was Cal sending him a message. I honestly don’t know anything about Beckham or if he can contribute.

by doldham on May 23, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beckham

I think he can give 5-10 minutes as sub off the bench.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 23, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Think 12 Or 13 Players Is About Right

10 or 11 on scholarship. 1 or 2 walk-ons (who can have 1-yr scholarships if available).

by FortyYearCatFan on May 23, 2011 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

2-year, 20 years old NBA rule

From what I am reading, there are just too many issue to be worked out in the NBA collective bargaining agreement for any change in the one-and-done. Players want to protect the veterans and management simply wants to cut player salaries.

by jdogblue on May 23, 2011 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I think we need

another player. It depends on how some of the current players develop. One more guy now and in the future, who can contribute, would not hurt. But I understand if they don’t want to come here. We are extremely hard on 4-star players. We, as fans, are full of puss-filled hatred at 4-star players who play like - 4-star players. And we don’t just do that stuff while they are here, we do it for years after they are gone, too. We’ll have to deal with getting 5 great players every year who stay one year and then get drafted. Maybe add a walk-on or two, but only if they are from Kentucky and enjoy the entire stadium yelling “shoot” every time they touch the ball. So – 7 players with a 5 player rotation – all freshmen. Sounds about right.

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by GriffinRC on May 24, 2011 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

4 Star Players At UK

Travis Ford. Derek Anderson. Jeff Sheppard. Jared Prickett. Allen Edwards. Chuck Hayes. Kelenna Azubuike. DeAndre Liggins. Darius Miller. (To name a few, there are many more)

Not a bad bunch.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 24, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe 4-star

is not the right wording, but then again the players you named for the most part are the ones who I would say have played well enough to justify a 5-star ranking if you went back and had to do it again. And you look at a guy like Miller – he has had quite alot of criticism so far in his career at UK. It seems like every year there are one or two guys that the fans decide to pick on. They become the lightning rods for people who want to complain and criticize. We could make a long list of those guys too – but it’s been done already. And I would say alot of those guys are doing the best they can do – they just were not meant to be a Derek Anderson or Jeff Sheppard.

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by GriffinRC on May 25, 2011 7:34 AM EDT reply actions  

The number of stars a HS player is given doesn't take in the "heart" play.

Heart counts for a lot and we have seen it totally change a player. Not ever player can grasp that. Some have quite well. I put little faith in a player’s “given” stars and a compilation of highlights on YouTube.
I guess the world needs those stars, but I measure heart. Stand in the paint with both hands on your hips during a game and I am disappointed a bit. Guard your opponent like their shadow, don’t lose confidence in missed shots and proudly wear K E N T U C K Y across your chest and I"ll give you 6 blue stars. They are prettier than those rival stars. :-)

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 25, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

hear, hear

God Bless Our Troops............Especially Our Snipers!

by bigbill992001 on May 25, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

How About These?

Cameron Mills. Anthony Epps. Nazr Mohammed. Heshimu Evans. Erik Daniels. Gerald Fitch. Josh Harrellson. Scott Padgett. They are 2* or 3* as HS recruits.

The best UK teams have had a mix of 5* – 4* – 3* – and 2* players.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 25, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

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