Schadenfreude Friday: Louisville Loses Scholarships
As an adjunct to Ken's post just below, a bit of news has come in that give Kentucky fans a sweet opportunity for a bit of schadenfreude. It seems that the Louisville Cardinals Magic Revolving Coaching Carousel (at least, according to the guy who started it up) has produced an APR that failed to meet the NCAA minimum standard. Consequently, the Cardinals will forfeit three scholarships.
This news comes on the heels of Kentucky getting a good APR report for all its sports despite the Daniel Orton epic fail last year when he bailed out of the spring semester, a faux pas Orton later apologized for.
To be fair (and here at A Sea of Blue, we're all about being fair), the academic results of the football team have turned around since Charlie Strong came aboard according to the Card Chronicle, so that's good news for the Cardinal football team.
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I think the APR, though not perfect, is a good thing. However, as I’ve posted before, the facts are that athletes in general and, specifically, money sport athletes have been unjustly singled out to shoulder a bad academic reputation. I’m not going to say that football and basketball players universally go to class, get good grades and graduate. Rather, if left to their own devices, a large fraction would be bad students, but not, on average, as bad as their more athletically challenged fellow students. The problem is that people are just unaware of how really terrible the average academic performance is for ALL college students. So when the media or someone else with an ax to grind publishes the grades, class attendance statistics and graduation rates for athletes without mentioning how they compare to their non-athlete peers, they are aghast. If they knew these athletes are actually doing better on average than rest of the student body, they’d be even more disgusted at the general waste of the educational opportunity provided by their parents, community and society in general.
Take for example typical student progress toward college graduation. The reality is that low college graduation rates are not limited to college athletes in any fashion. For example, the Boston Globe published a study in 2008 concerning completion rates for all Boston students who entered institutions of higher learning in what is often referred to as the "Center of American Higher Education." They found: (1) "Students attending two-year community colleges had a 12 percent graduation rate;" (2) "Students attending four-year public state colleges had approximately a 33 percent graduation rate;" and, (3) "Students at four-year, private colleges managed the best rate but still only a 56 percent graduation rate." Further, "for those aspiring college students who finished in the bottom 40 percent of their high school classes, but went on to attempt to secure a four-year degree right out of high school, roughly two-thirds had studied for the better part of eight and a half years without obtaining a diploma." Viewed in light of these findings, when it comes to graduation rates, I think you might be hard pressed to find that college athletic programs are other than the scapegoat for a much wider and pervasive problem in American educational institutions and the students attending them.
To comment specifically on Louisville: Charlie Strong is an outright moron!
In other Card news, Louisville football lost three scholarships due to low APR. When reached for comment, Charlie Strong downplayed it and said, "Those guys would have probably gotten arrested and suspended anyway. No loss." – Kentucky Sports RadioIf he recruits with this thought, coaches with this thought, even just has these thoughts that get expressed … then Louisville should just fire him and move on. He is an embarrassment to the species and has no place working with young athletes.
Strong's Comment
Attempt (perhaps unsuccessful) at satire one would hope.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant -- and free -- in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson
Definitely satire.
In poor taste, for my money.
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Media Guy Asked Jim Boeheim Once How Many Of His Players Graduated
His reply: Every one of them that wanted to!
by FortyYearCatFan on May 20, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
KSR Comment
I think that is definitely a KSR comment – not a Charlie Strong comment. I could be wrong but KSR throws out alot of those type of comment meant to entertain. When I read it, that’s the way I took it. KSR is an entertainment blog with a UK theme and they do fine with that, just don’t take everything you read there seriously.
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When I went to school
I knew athletes and non-athletes. (So that makes me an expert on this subject, of course.) I am a non-athlete for the record. I agree from that experience that there are many horrible students that are non-athletes. I was top ten in my high school class (actually I think I was #3 but they just grouped the rest of the top ten behind the valedictorian and salutatorian – anyway I’m not bitter – so back to my comment). Our salutatorian washed out of college in the first year. (Maybe I shouldn’t be so proud to be #3?) I also knew a lot of non-athletes in college who were either just there to party, because they did not know what else to do, or because it was expected of them to go to college. It is not shameful to be washed out of engineering school even if you were a good student in high school. But to then flunk out of engineering technology, too? Some people just did not TRY.
Money sport athletes have some advatages and some disadvantages when it comes to class work and studying. Also, there are a certain percentage of athletes who go to college when that may not have been there choice had they not been athletes, and that is a real issue because you don’t expect them to be the highest caliber students. But overall, athletes are held to a higher standard than the non-athlete student. Non-athletes can make strait Ds and nobody cares as long as the tuition gets paid. There may not be alot of athletes in engineering and pre-med, but I would say on average they do just as well as non-athletes. They have to make grades to keep playing. Many of those athletes who are not the highest calber students coming in manage to upgrade their skills and get degrees. You’ve got to like that. It is not a perfect system by any means, but when you see a guy studying for class at the NBA combine – something has gone horribly right.
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That's true, of course.
But the difference is that the university is paying for one and not the other. Scholarship students are held to a higher standard, so it’s not really unreasonable for the university to hold athletes to a higher standard.
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by Glenn Logan on May 21, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess that depends
on whether the university wants it’s payback on athletic performance or in the classroom. The university makes no additional money when a student gets top grades vs barely passing but it does when the money making teams do well. It is against the university’s financial interest to have it’s best athletes flunk out.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
Both excellent points.
However if money sport athletes flunk out the school can lose scholarships – which has a negative financial effect if the lost scholarships contribute to a decrease in athletic performance. Plus the school and coach have to deal with the negative publicity. So the schools put support processes in place to help student athletes study and achieve in the classroom. Also there is a much more pronounced feeling of family, belonging, and purpose (if you will) in the team atmosphere – verses being on your own to figure out your life away from home the first time. And things like curfews. My friend, the salutatorian, was on a full ride to a mid-level state school in Kentucky and apparently had none of these support processes, or did not use what was available. Sad.
When you get down to the human level and compare situations it becomes increasingly difficult to support over-general statements about academic performance of athletes vs. non-athletes.
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