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Kentucky Basketball: Tradition Is For Fans, But No Longer For Players

Many of us who have followed Kentucky basketball for many years value the traditions that surround it.  In fact, that tradition is the glue that holds the Big Blue Nation together, and provides the heartbeat of a program beloved of the vast majority of the Commonwealth.

Years ago, the tradition that binds Kentucky fans to the program used to be felt in almost equal measure by the players who came to the school to play.  The Dan Issels, the Kevin Greveys, the Pat Rileys, the Alex Grozas, the Jamal Mashburns -- none of these great Kentucky players were born and raised in the Bluegrass, but every one of them left Kentucky with a full understanding and appreciation of the tradition that is the most storied program in America.

Unfortunately for us all, tradition has become a casualty of the AAU, one-and-done culture that now pervades college basketball.  That isn't to say that the kids we have coming in and out of the program lack a sense of the history of Kentucky basketball.  Most of them, to some extent, understand the magnitude of what it means to play here.  After all, even if John Calipari recruited well at Memphis, it is nothing compared to how he has recruited at UK.  So the Kentucky brand counts for some part of his success, even if it's hard to argue that the school is the main reason these fine young players wind up in Lexington.

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No UK fan would ever confess to be happy to see the true tradition of what it means to be a Wildcat mostly elude the new generation of players.  We may be loathe to admit it, but we all feel the hole that has been created by the players not fully "getting it," or fully appreciating what the letters on the front of their jerseys represent.

Now, I am not accusing our players of selfishness, or poor teamwork.  Those things cannot be present in a team that makes it all the way to the Final Four, or the Elite Eight.  And I didn't get the impression that the teams of Billy Gillispie or even Tubby Smith since 2005 got any more of the tradition and history of Kentucky than this year's team, or last years, and I am mainly referring to the one-year players.

I also wouldn't presume to apply this perception with a broad brush -- there is no doubt that some of the players in recent years have fully embraced Kentucky tradition.  Joe Crawford and Ramel Bradley come immediately to mind, two guys who utterly failed to get it at first, but by the time they left, were fully invested with Kentucky tradition.

Patrick Patterson was one of the few recent players to get it from day one, along with Darius Miller and Jon Hood.  The latter two, however, grew up in Kentucky, and could hardly have ignored what it meant to attend UK.  John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins were clearly imbued with the Cult of John Calipari, but its doubtful that they were here long enough to absorb Kentucky tradition more than superficially.

But this is the way of the world today.  Players don't grow up dreaming of playing for Kentucky anymore, but rather the Boston Celtics or the Los Angeles Lakers.  That stings the hearts of those of us who remember when players did dream of putting on the Blue and White, when they did dream of stepping on the floor of Rupp Arena for the first time in home whites, when they did dream of hitting the shot that beat Tennessee or Florida on the road, or winning the national championship like the other UK greats before them.

Alas, those dreams are now replaced by visions of LeBron and Kobe, Rondo and Carmello.  A part of what it means to be a Wildcat fan, the mystique of playing for Kentucky, has, to a large extent, vanished.  Less a destination now than a metaphorical half-way house en route to the NBA, it is hard not to occasionally lament what was, but no longer is.

As the old saying goes, "You can't go home again."  Whether or not we of the Big Blue Nation want to acknowledge it, the world has changed, and a significant part of what made Kentucky great, the awe of the players for the program, has gone the way of the set-shot.  It is obsolete, antebellum, and no longer exists in but a few minds and hearts that put on the Blue and White in November.

I am reminded of the chorus of a song by Montgomery Gentry, who know a little something about Kentucky tradition: "Gone like a freight train, gone like yesterday ..."

But I won't forget, and neither will you.  That will have to suffice.

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Change Is Not Obliteration

I think you are selling the recent wearers of the Blue a bit — no significantly — short. No the playrers of today do not have the same goals, heroes or icons of those of yesterday but to insinuate that their attraction to, loyalty to, and memories of UK is somehow erased from their consciousness is ignoring evidence otherwise: the most recent being tweets from Patterson, Cousins and Wall defending themselves and the program from the scurrilous and fraudulent attack from RMK. The change you denote is a reality but it affects more than players, most notably fans.

"I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up truth to your eyes." Thomas Paine, December 23, 1776

by Wild Weasel on Apr 23, 2011 5:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I didn't mean to suggest ...

… what you seem to have read in my words. My point was more that their attraction and loyalty to the program is a pale shadow of what it once was. Diminution, just as you say, is not the same as non-existence.

I agree that it does affect fans too, albeit to a lesser degree. That’s probably as much because fans have so little time to become emotionally invested in such short-term players as anything else. I noticed a significant decrease in emotional investment in the team this year compared to last, even around here.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Apr 24, 2011 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the reality is...

…In order to not be overwhelmed with great emotional sadness, some of us are choosing to “enjoy the ride” while we can and to be happy to be a part of it. :-)

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Apr 24, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Glenn I agree, but...

… the passion of the UK fan base is as strong as ever, and the players take note of that. They feed off of the fans, and to hear Trevor Lacey talk, the fan passion is one of his considerations when picking a college. The climate is what it is, but we can control to some extent how we make the players feel about our school, and maybe about themselves.

by UK1972 on Apr 23, 2011 5:45 PM EDT reply actions  

The Most Important UK Tradition Is WINNING

76% of games (overall), which is 3% higher (all-time) than other program.

I just don’t care who wears the uniforms.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 23, 2011 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

While I agree

with the premise in many ways I offer some evidence that Wall and Cousins found their “home” here. These young men have made many comments about the BBN and their attachment to the fanbase and the school. Check Wall’s twitter credentials. Check their tweets near or after games. Look at Wall’s willingness to attend a game that was not easy to schedule. I read several tweets he made to the women’s team during their season.

I would present the power of the Kentucky tradition as what is important to many of these players who come here. Many of these young men have had either no or little inclusion in “family” before arriving on campus. Look at Liggins. He appears to have found himself in a very positive manner because of his willingness to include the Kentucky tradition and family into his life. Look at PP2 in jorts at the Houston game. Listen to Trevor Lacy who may or may not come. He is aware of the fan support here. I think Orton came and left without allegience but his lack of connection and perhaps respect was apparent in his behaviors. I could name a few others in the recent past who left without any connection or respect for Kentucky tradition. As with Orton we would likely make a similar list based on what they put out while they were here.

The history of Kentucky has been powerful for generations. The ways that power impacts a player has changed but the power remains. The goal is without a doubt the Lakers/Kobe or the Celtics/Rhondo but the path and the doorway remain Kentucky.

by CAWebb on Apr 23, 2011 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Remove Cal from the equation and see what

happens to the path and doorway you mention…..it will slam shut faster than a John Wall fastbreak.

You can't fix "stupid"!

by UKlvrJM on Apr 24, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Afternoon Update

Speaking of winning traditions the UK softball team had a historic win today 3-2 over USC — first time ever Cats have won 5 SEC series in same season.

BTW, Blues (second team spotted 14 points) defeated Whites 31-28 in “ball spring” game. Comments courtesy of KSR.

"I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up truth to your eyes." Thomas Paine, December 23, 1776

by Wild Weasel on Apr 23, 2011 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Purdue Gets Commonwealth Commit

Jody Demling reports that Derek Willis 6-9 2013 PF Bullitt East has committed to Matt Painter. My first thought is: it’s only a verbal; my second: he’s not a one-and-done or likely even a two-and-shoo so that will provide material for commentary.

"I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up truth to your eyes." Thomas Paine, December 23, 1776

by Wild Weasel on Apr 23, 2011 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

This Belongs As FanShot

Nothing to do with the discussion points above.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 23, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do agree with what Glenn is saying to some extent

Most of these kids are not coming to UK because it is UK. But the same can be said about UNC, Duke, UL, and so on. These kids want playing time and want to go pro. Most don’t care about the history and tradition of their program. But I do think before they leave they get what it means to play for UK. They fell the passion. UK fans don’t give them a choice.

by ScottWalls on Apr 23, 2011 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

That might be the most healthy way to view this. A kid signs with the program to advance

his career; that’s why I went to college. Then, while he’s there, the kid “get’s it”, and understands the passion of the fans.

by bluegrassgal on Apr 24, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Playing at UK

The Kids coming out of H.S. now want to play for a program that puts them in the spotlight where they can showcase their talents and also be on a winning program. We know that the kids that played for Looserville had rather been playing in the Final Four like our Cats were than going down in the first round. Go read some of the post on the Duke site and see how the Dukies feel about going out as early as they did. Makes you want to send some tissues to the Dukies for all the crying. I think we all know how we felt when we had Tubby and were not going very far. Now times have changed and that is why so many are trying to tear down what has been built in just two years. GO CAL and the KENTUCKY WILDCATS

by kyalltheway on Apr 24, 2011 2:38 AM EDT reply actions  

You don't see many crew cuts and short shorts any more

I don’t think the players are radically different these days. They go to UK to win and get national exposure. Naturally, if they’re around for less time they’ll develop less of an attachment to the school. What used to be the “Kentucky Tradition” is now the “Kentucky Brand”.

by chicagoblues on Apr 24, 2011 3:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I absolutely disagree with this

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John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins were clearly imbued with the Cult of John Calipari, but its doubtful that they were here long enough to absorb Kentucky tradition more than superficially.

We have won 3 championships in the last 50 years. We won our last championship in 1998.

DeMarcus was born in 1990 in Mobile, Alabama. I think he can be forgiven for not knowing much about our tradition during his lifetime.

Of course the current parade of players are coming here primarily for Coach Cal. Anyone who thinks otherwise will be in for a surprise after Cal leaves someday. But just because they are coming for Cal doesn’t mean they aren’t “getting it” once they are here. Or even after they are gone, and continue to get support from BBN in NBA gyms.

Exactly how long do you suppose it takes for a player to “get it”? The two years that Rex Chapman stayed? Or does it take the three years that Patrick and Jamal were here?

If it really does take three full years for our tradition to make an impact on these players then maybe it is the tradition that isn’t as strong as we suppose it to be. Personally, I think anyone who comes in contact with the program can “get it”- even if they are only right in the middle of it for a year before making the financial decision that none of us can criticize.

In the end, you must know something about DeMarcus and John that they do not. I have been using my current sig line for over two months.

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"I watch (UK) every night... I am going to support them for the rest of my life. I'm a Wildcat for the rest of my life." -- JWall, 2/8/11

by HSLex on Apr 24, 2011 8:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Ok, so I broke down and fell for it

but I read Jerry Tipton’s article today and there was an interesting bit in there regarding the proposal for a new or renovated arena. Braedon Anderson said he didn’t think they should leave Rupp arena. He said that players did appreciate the tradition and wanted to play where other player’s they looked up to had played.

Now he doesn’t speak for all but I thought that it was interesting. The young players don’t know the tradition of thirty, forty or more years ago but they see it alive today and it does impress them. That may help explain the synergistic effect of Calipari and UK when it comes to recruiting.

Today’s young players are interested in playing where John Wall played, and in the arena they watched erupt with support while they watched on TV.

I will wade into controversy here, but I am not one that took offense to Coach Cal’s comments after last year’s draft. Those comments were aimed at the young men he will be recruiting and if they lead to championships by making us the leader in the minds of the players that will take us to those heights I hope he keeps talking. Those of us stuck in the past will object, but we aren’t on the playing floor.

We are witnessing the current chapter of the UK tradition and truthfully, the most important one for keeping us relevant and competitive.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Apr 24, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I did not take any offense either, wineman

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But that is because, like you, I knew exactly who he was talking to. And it wasn’t you and me or anyone else on ASoB.

We are witnessing the current chapter of the UK tradition and truthfully, the most important one for keeping us relevant and competitive.

Absolutely. The modern times are what they are. I am looking towards the future. I think Year 3 of Coach Cal is going to be the best one yet. I have a good feeling about this group coming in.

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"I watch (UK) every night... I am going to support them for the rest of my life. I'm a Wildcat for the rest of my life." -- JWall, 2/8/11

by HSLex on Apr 24, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Apr 24, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately Glenn I agree with every word

As Ms. Streisand would sing – The Way We Were. And never to be again. I for one have not developed any emotional attachment for the “ones and dones”. Oh I love the kids and wish them the very best that life can offer but it ends there. I support Cal and his concerns for the players first philosophy but it isn’t the same as yesteryear and that is the sad part of it.

A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!

by KansasUKCat on Apr 24, 2011 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Things Change

The 1940’s and 50’s were the true Glory Days of UK basketball.

The 1960’s were a transition decade – integration, nationwide recruiting, the first early entrants to pro basketball.

The 1970’s – 80’s – 90’s were the modern Glory Days for UK.

The 2K’s were another transition decade – 1 & Done, NBA straight from HS, Duke dominating the decade.

The 2010’s are starting off like Glory Days III.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 24, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo, 40!

No High School kid, whether a one-and-doner from Chicago, or a 4 year kid from Middlesboro, will have the same appreciation for the traditions and history of UK basketball that us 50 and 60 year olders, who have followed the team for more than 3 or 4 decades, have. It’s just the nature of being in kid, in part.

But, I do see a good bit of evidence that, once here, the “OADs” do come to have quite a bit of appreciation for the UK family and traditions. Many note that evidence in the posts above.

Different, evolving with the rules of the game and much increased prominence of professional basketball since the 1980s, but still glorious UK basketball.

by BCinVA on Apr 24, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

The 90's

4 Final Fours and 2 National Championships.This decade stands alone.

by Zoso- on Apr 24, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

The 1940’s had 3 national championships (2 NCAA, 1 NIT when NIT = NCAA) and 6 FF (3 NCAA, 3 NIT when NIT = NCAA).

Read Jon Scott’s website and learn a little about UK basketball tradition. Pitino is part of it but JUST PART of it.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 24, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Rupp is King,Pitino produced the most in the least timeframe.

by Zoso- on Apr 24, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's Not Accurate AT ALL

Rupp won 4 national championships (3 NCAA, 1 NIT when NIT = NCAA) in 6 years from 1946-51.

Pitino won 1 in 6 years (1992-97).

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 24, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

SO........................

Rupp won 4 in 6 yrs, then didn’t win another for 20 yrs? And, UK has won 3 in the last 60 yrs? Wow, I never thought of it THAT way. :(

God Bless Our Troops............Especially Our Snipers!

by bigbill992001 on Apr 24, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rupp Last Won NC In 1958

Then 20 years until UK won again in 1978.

And 18 more years until another NC in 1996.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 25, 2011 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok, I'm confused

3 in the last 53 yrs. ’78, ’96, ’98.

God Bless Our Troops............Especially Our Snipers!

by bigbill992001 on Apr 25, 2011 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

You Math Was Almost Correct

4 NC in 60 seasons (1952 thru 2011).

About 15 years (60 / 4) apart is normal.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 25, 2011 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Orton Has No Regrets

If there was a recent player who matches the tradition-so-what characterization it probably would be Daniel Orton who left UK without finishing his classes, but the Orlando Magic first round selection says he has no regrets:

“As far as regrets, no, I don’t have any about my decision,” Orton said. "Everybody questioned me about it. Nobody understands why I was coming out, but I felt I was ready.

"I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up truth to your eyes." Thomas Paine, December 23, 1776

by Wild Weasel on Apr 24, 2011 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Nor Should He

Orton probably got the word that a team would draft him in the 1st round. I doubt that another year at UK would have improved that status.

Case in point, Randolph Morris. Very likely, a 1st round draft pick straight out of HS but he opted for college. Ultimately he went undrafted despite improving his numbers every year at UK.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 24, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only In-State Players

understand the tradition before arriving.One exception in this era is Jeff Sheppard,who said he always wanted to play for Kentucky,being from Georgia.

by Zoso- on Apr 24, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Not there yet

Sorry, but I’ve seen too much evidence to the contrary. There are still players who get what it means to play for Kentucky and don’t think that coach doesn’t use that as part of his recruiting.
Not buying yet, Glenn

Act like we've been there... 'Cause we have!

by BluebloodinNaptown on Apr 24, 2011 6:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

What it means to play for UK

is very specific to each player. For some the best path to the NBA. For others, to play for a storied program and be part of something special. What it means to the fans is why we are still posting in April.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Apr 24, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

In all honesty, wineman,

I think you’ve hit upon it. If we could magically examine the minds of any of our players through history, we might find that the tradition didn’t mean as much to ANY of them when they were playing as it did later and as it does to US, the fan base. I’m not sure a 19- or 20-year old can grasp fully what it means to be a part of the BBN as well as someone who has been a part of that collection of nut cases after they’ve been in the “real” world for a few years.

Please, before the younger members of our group get on my case, I’m not saying that you have to be sixty plus years old to be fully invested; just that the longer you’re a part of the UK tradition and it’s a part of you, the more you appreciate it. Some get a “kick start” faster than others-the Rupp’s Runts year was far better than the next 13-13 season, I can tell you from personal experience. But even that year put a few more bricks on my load.

Every one of us on this blog has a unique perspective, because we see, and remember, different aspects of the experience. I’d be interested in hearing whether others think the same way I do. Was it better at first or now?

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Apr 25, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's all good

God Bless Our Troops............Especially Our Snipers!

by bigbill992001 on Apr 25, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

It just keeps getting better.

George Burns used to joke that the first thing he did every morning was read the obituaries. If his name wasn’t in there, he got out of bed. I will add my twist and say that if my name isn’t in there, I get on ASOB for the latest wildcat news.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Apr 25, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the early 1970s

someone gave me a copy of Tev Laudemann’s “The Rupp Years.” I read it cover to cover and then started over again. I digested each boxscore. I was a young, young man. But having followed the Cats since the Cotton Nash days, I was invested, vested, and reinvested. I would have given a leg to play for UK (of course, that wouldn’t have worked out too well). I can understand why you say the young players aren’t so impressed with the tradition, but this young man was.

by jdogblue on Apr 25, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I have aged,

the games have become more enjoyable and have brought greater satisfaction, win or lose. I’ve always been laid back about the Cats when I was watching them play. I don’t yell at them, although during the UNC game I did whisper several times to TJ as he stood at the head of the circle with the ball that Miller and Lamb were open on the wings. I guess I am used to steadying guys as the ducks come in to the decoys.

Years ago, you were disrespectful to the Cats in front of me at your peril. Now I just laugh at them. I guess age has improved my IQ somewhat. The Hall era was awesome,meeting Rickey P. kind of soured me on him and I love Cal. It doesn’t matter when they played, they are all family to me.

"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.

by kydamcat on Apr 26, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha.

My friend said he thought I was going to verbally tear into a couple of guys Saturday when they said we might win two games this year.
Truth is, we were walking through the concourse and I didn’t hear them. But it’s okay, some are never positive anyway. I just let them be most of the time.

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Apr 26, 2011 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

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