UK Basketball: My Kingdom for an Orange Crush
In the longer-then-I'd-like-to-admit, not-so-distinguished annals of my Kentucky Wildcat "fandom" (which covers roughly 35 years), there has never been an opposing school I so thoroughly and vehemently root against as much as the Tennessee Volunteers. My dislike for all things orange even pre-dates my disapproval of the Louisville Cardinals, or any other UK rival for that matter; be it the Tar Heels, Blue Devils, Gators, Jayhawks, Bruins, or Hoosiers.
The reason for my resolute commitment to Bronx cheer Tennessee whenever confronted with their vile presence, can easily be traced back to the late 1970's and early 1980's when UT dared to better my beloved 'Cats much too often for my delicate nature. After all, isn't that what we as fans use as a yardstick with which to choose the enemy? We don't hate Winthrop or Coppin State, no, we with all our considerable collective might, root against the teams that experience the most success against UK, not the teams that serve as the nail to Kentucky's Big Blue hammer.
And folks, Tennessee's 66 all-time victories over Kentucky, absolutely defines "success against UK." For no other college basketball program can claim anywhere near 66 wins against the 'Cats (in fact, Vanderbilt has the next most "W's" against Kentucky with 44, to go along with 134 losses). Get this, between January of 1963 and February of 1993, Tennessee beat Kentucky 29 times, while the 'Cats beat UT 34 times -- A little too close for comfort by about 20 Big Orange wins in my book.
It's not only the number of victories the Vols have amassed against UK that has lit the flame of hostility I feel for Tennessee, more-so, it's the fact that the bad guys wearing county lockup gear have come out on top against some of the most iconic Kentucky teams of all-time.
Take for example -- The 1966 Rupp's Runts squad, a team that lost in the national title game, but somehow Tennessee beat the 'Cats that year down in Knoxville: UK was ranked No. 1 in the nation, UT, unranked ... Even the Kevin Grevey-led 1975 runner-up 'Cats lost to UT in Knoxville when Ernie Grunfeld and Bernard King combined for 53 points in their 103-98 win over Kentucky ... Fast-forward to 1984, and the Final Four-bound Twin Tower edition of the 'Cats lost to the Vols 63-58 ... But, most egregious of all the Tennessee victories I have witnessed was the abomination that was a 107-85 Tennessee "win" over the "Unforgettables" in '92. Didn't matter that Jamal Mashburn scored 28 points, or that Travis Ford played brilliantly, scoring 22 points on 6 of 10 three-point shooting, while handing out four assists. No, those pesky performances had no bearing on the outcome. Rather, 41 UK fouls (to UT's 26), which led to 59 Tennessee free throws (versus UK's 33 free throws), are the (zebra) stats which ultimately decided the "victor" on that night ... Finally, last year's mostly-beloved addition of the 'Cats, as good as they were, lost to Tennessee in Knoxville by a count of 74-65.
Quick math tells us the Vols have beaten five of the most beloved UK teams of all time, five times. To me, that's unacceptable, and should result in the ruination of the Big Orange program ( ... aah, the once wistful wish of a young man reeling from another long-ago loss to the Vols, now about to become reality. Sometimes dreams do come true ... Cinderella was right after all).
I do, though, take small comfort in the fact the Tennessee has never beaten a UK title team, including Adolph Rupp's 1946 NIT Championship squad. So take that, Vols!
When you add up all of the bad memories, though, then compound the issue with the knowledge that currently the Vols are led by as unlikeable a regime as any in UT history ... actually, I might be so bold as to say, Bruce Pearl far surpasses any former Volunteer thorn-in-UK's side, by a wide margin. He's so unlikeable, Barney the Dinosaur, who loves everyone, would turn tail and run for cover at the mere mention of Pearl's pathetic name (now known as M.U.D). It's just too much; this marriage of Tennessee and Pearl. Ones sensibilities are doubly offended.
But, going a long way as an aid in alleviating the overwhelming unpleasantness of UT's increasingly dastardly existence, would be a Wildcat victory on Sunday afternoon, on the road, in what could be Pearl's (finally) final stride down the Thompson-Boling sideline. Think about it; It could be the last UT home game that Pearl takes off his jacket, and pretends to coach. It could be the encore home performance, as Pearl stomps his foot (which in a non-game environment can be found in his mouth), and yells pseudo-instructions to his charges. It would be the equivalent of the "Nixon goodbye wave" enthusiastically executed on the top step of the (formerly) Presidential helicopter.
If Kentucky could only somehow break the streak of nasty, unnecessary road defeats, in Knoxville, in Pearl's final game ... oh, my Kingdom (for what it's worth) to experience such profound euphoria. Make no mistake, though, this Tennessee squad is talented, and although they have failed to protect their home hardwood seven times this year, those with "Kentucky" majestically marked across their chests have yet to enter the building.
So a battle it will be, make no mistake 'Cat fans, but if a Claus Von Bulow-ish reversal of (road) fortune happened to occur for the boys in blue on Sunday, resulting in a super model-stunning Wildcat victory, the UK road losses to Ole Miss, Alabama, North Carolina, Arkansas, Georgia, Vanderbilt, and Florida, would be erased from the memory bank of at least one 'Cat fan. Permanently.
That's how much I want the 'Cats to beat Tennessee. I want Kentucky to beat 'em for Joe Hall, Kevin Grevey,Sam Bowie, Kyle Macy, Melvin Turpin, Louie Dampier, Jamal Mashburn, and all the "Unforgettables." I want Kentucky to beat UT for all the great Wildcat teams and players that have come through Lexington, only to fall prey to the dark cosmic forces who wear orange. But mostly I want this Kentucky team to beat Tennessee because, quite frankly, I think it could propel the current crop of 'Cats to surprisingly great things.
And a dash of "great" is never a bad thing in the mad month of March.
Thanks for reading and Go 'Cats!
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"A tribe's greatness is measured by how mighty it's enemies be"-from 'Jeremiah Johnson'
In THIS case, not so much. It IS a sweet taste when that other tribe wears orange, tho.
UK has never beaten UT in one of their championship years either.
Hahahahaha
by GoLightning on Mar 4, 2011 6:29 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Joe Hall's Biggest Nemesis (11 W But 16 L Versus UT)
2/28/1985 Tennessee at Kentucky W 92 – 67 -
1/27/1985 Kentucky at Tennessee L 65 – 81 -
2/27/1984 (#4) Kentucky at Tennessee L 58 – 63 -
1/30/1984 Tennessee at (#3) Kentucky W 93 – 74 -
2/27/1983 (#20) Tennessee at (#10) Kentucky W 69 – 61 -
1/31/1983 (#10) Kentucky at Tennessee L 63 – 65 -
2/6/1982 (#16) Tennessee at (#9) Kentucky W 77 – 67 -
1/9/1982 (#3) Kentucky at Tennessee L 66 – 70 -
2/7/1981 (#6) Kentucky at (#10) Tennessee L 71 – 87 -
1/10/1981 (#13) Tennessee at (#4) Kentucky W 48 – 47 -
2/2/1980 Tennessee at (#3) Kentucky W 83 – 75 -
1/5/1980 (#2) Kentucky at Tennessee L 47 – 49 -
3/3/1979 Kentucky vs. Tennessee L 69 – 75 OT SEC Tournament Birmingham
2/17/1979 Kentucky at Tennessee L 84 – 101 -
1/20/1979 Tennessee at Kentucky L 55 – 66 -
2/25/1978 (#2) Kentucky at Tennessee W 68 – 57 -
2/15/1978 Tennessee at (#3) Kentucky W 90 – 77 Rescheduled due to ice
3/5/1977 (#2) Kentucky at (#11) Tennessee L 79 – 81 -
1/12/1977 Tennessee at (#2) Kentucky L 67 – 71 OT -
2/7/1976 Kentucky at (#8) Tennessee L 85 – 92 -
1/10/1976 (#9) Tennessee at Kentucky L 88 – 90 OT -
2/15/1975 (#4) Kentucky at Tennessee L 98 – 103 -
1/13/1975 (#18) Tennessee at (#7) Kentucky W 88 – 82 -
2/16/1974 Tennessee at Kentucky W 61 – 58 -
1/14/1974 Kentucky at Tennessee L 54 – 67 -
3/8/1973 Tennessee at (#19) Kentucky W 86 – 81 -
1/20/1973 Kentucky at Tennessee L 64 – 65
Geez, worse than I remembered
I didn’t remember losing 5 in a row.
by bigbill992001 on Mar 4, 2011 7:25 AM EST up reply actions
I don't even remember the three losses in 1979 to the Vol's - I must had wiped that from the memory banks
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
I think I remember...
the loss in Birmingham in the SECT. It seems like we always lose in Birmingham. Maybe Forty can supply the numbers. I’m curious.
by maysvilleblue on Mar 4, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
8-5 In SECT Games Played In Birmingham
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statistics/gamesectourney.html courtesy of Jon Scott.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 4, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks Forty
Thought it would be worse.
by maysvilleblue on Mar 4, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Those 66 wins by UT...
…are offset somewhat by the 145 loses.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
Exactly!
And let’s not forget this memorable win!
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Games/19930312Tennessee.html
"Shut up brain or I'll poke you with a q-tip" - Homer Simpson
Yeah, I believe it was
And I’m with you on that!
"Shut up brain or I'll poke you with a q-tip" - Homer Simpson
I'll just leave this here

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
by btcoop71 on Mar 4, 2011 8:34 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Oy.....nightmares....
I remember Chism saying after the game something to the effect of, “I’m 6’9 and he still shot it over me, sometimes you just have to tip your hat to the guy”.
Bring it across, shape it down
for those early morning readers
geez, I went comma crazy in the middle of the night. Sorry the first few paragraphs were so hard to read.
Ken
The “Kings English” bunch would have been proud of you.
"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.
Double rec'd. That comment needs to be green.
3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.
Ahem. I'll see you and raise you a

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That's (333333jorkland)^2 and $$$$$$$$immons to you, chump.
by bobothevol on Mar 4, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Even Rondo's foot-fu could not stop Chris Lofton's chi.
Cause, yeah, he made the shot.
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That's (333333jorkland)^2 and $$$$$$$$immons to you, chump.
Maybe Rondo was saying
“Come on, ref, that was all ball”
by bigbill992001 on Mar 5, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Ray Mears vs Bruce Pearl
I grew up hating the Vols and Mears. Then UT had to build an arena bigger than Rupp. But there is no comparison to the hatred for the Vols since Pearl arrived. He comes close…not quite…but close to replacing Bobby Knight as my most hated coach.
No comparison between Knight and Pearl for me
But then, I attended grad school at Purdue. So I have twice the motivation to detest Knight :D
Knight is the at the pinnacle of fan hatred on my yardstick - no one can come half close
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
Agree
I only wish we could carry the rivalry over to football as well. The football rivalry is a bit one sided.
If I discover the fountain of youth I doubt I'll ever see the day we catch up to the Vol's in football
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
Two words......
Don Devoe. Absolutely hated him when I was growing up. Makes me sick just thinking about him now. I do have to say that Pearl makes me sicker though……….lol.
"Shut up brain or I'll poke you with a q-tip" - Homer Simpson
I have to show some love for the Lady Cats!
Personally I don’t think they get enough write here at ASofB, so I’ll take this time to wish them much success in the post season starting today in Nashville. Mitchell is really making the program a national name like the men. A couple more All-Americans coming in next year. Soon they will compete with the Vols for the conference championship. If the NCAA draw was today, based on the rankings, the lady cats would be the 4-4seed in the same bracket as U-Conn.
You're right, 1972
For Glenn and I it’s a time issue. I know I wish I had the time to thoroughly cover the UK Hoops team.
Ken
I think we are going to get season tickets for the Lady Cats next year. I love the way they play.
"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.
Their defense is almost unbelievable, it's a joy to behold.
Mitchell recruits speed and quickness first and size second, and so far it’s working out pretty good for him. The future is as bright as it’s ever been.
Chest to chest- in your face defense
It can’t get much better. We have watched just about every game that has been on TV. They are a team, they like playing this way, they like each other and we love them.
"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.
"Think about it; It could be the last UT home game that Pearl takes off his jacket, and pretends to coach"
This is one of the most underrated aspects of the current nature of our rivalry: the way fans of both teams are absolutely convinced that the guy on the other sideline is really a terrible coach in disguise. It’s fascinating to me.
Good post.
Oh heck, I was just having a little fun.
I think Pearl is a pretty good coach, although generally speaking his teams don’t play terribly strong defense. I don’t think that a coach can amass the incredible winning percentage he has a hc at Southern Indiana, Milwaukee (or was it GB), and UT, without knowing a thing or two about the x’s and o’s part of the coaching equation.
Thanks for stopping by Will.
And it's the same with Cal's winning percentage
We just enjoy finding various ways to discredit it ;)
by Will Shelton on Mar 4, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Pearl and Cal
I don’t think either one is what I would consider to be great x’s and o’s coach. It’s hard for me to give any credit to Pearl as a coach just as I am sure it’s hard for Vols fans to give any credit to Cal. Their rivalry certainly has added heat to UT/UK games. More personal opinions of Pearl I won’t give here. All you have to do is look at the archives.
by maysvilleblue on Mar 4, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
You really should show a cause for your hate of Pearl
Oops….did I say show cause? Sorry Bruce….
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
The credit you can give to Pearl as an x's and o's coach
Over Cal is the head-to-head record and, supporting that, the number of players each has sent to the NBA. ;-)
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That's (333333jorkland)^2 and $$$$$$$$immons to you, chump.
The future
I think Cal has a much greater chance of winning a national title…or several… while Pearl’s chances are about zero..
by maysvilleblue on Mar 5, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry Will,
that niche is already filled by Jerry Tipton.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
Not so with Ray Mears
The only thing I disliked about him was the fact that he was too good of a coach.
"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.
I'd also like to add
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
Dear Lord
http://kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=74607
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
Great Write Up Ken
I especially liked the Nixon waving reference.
Well played.
Nixon
Richard E. Nixon according to Archie Bunker….
by maysvilleblue on Mar 4, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
The Archie Buncker reference shows my age...
plus it “ain’t German to the conversation”. Yes another AB quote.
by maysvilleblue on Mar 4, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
"I am not a crook"
used originally by Tricky Dick and more recently by Bruce Pearl.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
hence the wave goodbye reference
the two, Pearl and Nixon, are like peas and carrots to my way of thinking.
Now I remember why I looooove giving UT fans grief so much...........
it doesnt take much effort……lol
Nice Job Ken….and we both got a hit from John Clay this morning to boot…..yeeehawwwww
I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Mar 4, 2011 11:35 AM EST reply actions
'77 game in Rupp was a crusher
The worst UT loss of the Hall-era occurred in 1977 at Rupp Arena. The loss not only cost the ‘Cats an SEC title, but caused them to be sent to the East Region as the 2nd seed instead of landing the Mideast 1 seed. The kicker?—the Mideast Region was held in Rupp that season. Of course, UK ended up losing to UNC in East Region final, while I believe the stinkin’ Vols(who got the SEC Mideast bid)didn’t advance past the 2nd round.
I remember that game...
and the UNC loss. Both were crushers.
by maysvilleblue on Mar 4, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome to the blog!
Nice to see a new face handle. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Great write up.
Gets me even more excited for Sunday. I just hope our players play up to the occusation. Given their schizophrenic nature this year one can’t be sure, although they do tend to perform well when facing good competition. Should be a good one.
Neyland Stadium-It goes to eleven.
Thanks a lot, jimvols
I think Sunday’s game is going to be very tightly contested.
We appreciate you stopping by and not taking my post too seriously.
Great job Ken
One of the things that make me hate UT is the many Kentucky players that have went south and helped them beat us. Both Tenn and Vandy have thrived on Kentucky players. Vandy has had 3 or4 from right here in my district. Go Cats
Thanks, oldcat
Lord, I’ve lost count of how many players have left KY to play ball at Vandy or UT. Phil Cox sticks out in my mind, as does Aaron Beth and a few others from Marshall Co., and of course Lofton and Hopson.
There are two kids from KY on the Vandy roster right now. \
Have a great weekend, topped off by a win over the vile Vols :)
Oh yeah, Houston went to Ballard
He and Richie Farmer had a couple of memorable state tourney games in the late ’80’s.
Marshall County
Barry Goheen was another Marshall County kid who went to Vandy. I remember he hit a shot from near half court to send the Louisville game in to OT in 89.
Goheen and Langhi were both terrific players
I believe Langhi was first team all-league at least once, and I think Goheen may have made the all-conference team also.
Do you know what those guys are up to now?
Langhi actually was co-SEC player of the year in 2000
He shared it with Stromile Swift at LSU
by blue kentucky girl on Mar 5, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Wow stat Lady with a good memory - you and Forty
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
West Kentucky
There have been some good players come out of Marshall County HS, surprised Paducah hasnt turned out any decent players, atleast I cant think of any.
that's funny, I can't think of any either
I’m sure there must be some…
by blue kentucky girl on Mar 5, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
When Tilghman went to the state final
against Lex Cath several years ago, they had a big kid in the middle that played DI ball, but I can’t remember his name.
Perhaps Memory Fails Me
And it wouldn’t be the first time, but in my UK student days (56-59) I don’t remember any arch rival — geographically I suppose IN, TN or OH but nothing else comes to mind. FB was a different story as UT was the game of the year.
Couple of other comments:
If Lady Cats were built for tournament play, men are the exact opposite: thin bench, youthful physical and mental weaknesses and very little post-season experience — especially if they don’t earn a bye.
Any comparison of Nixon and Pearl is a denigration of Nixon — which isn’t all that easy to accomplish.
"I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up truth to your eyes." Thomas Paine, December 23, 1776
Strangely the Department of EPA was proposed and began operation under Nixon in 1970
For a Republican to do this today he would be tarred and feathered, ran out of town and never re-elected.
Now back to basketball action..!
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
I believe OSHA
came in under his administration as well.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
and didn't Nixon promote a health care plan similar to the one Obama did?
Sorry if this getting too political :)
by blue kentucky girl on Mar 5, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe we need to start a ASOB political blog - all the others I've been on really suck
At least there are some folks on here that have a degree of common sense.
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
As a Republican, he was a pretty good Dem.
Same could be said of the Bushes
by bigbill992001 on Mar 5, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Temple?
12/8/1962 (#9) Kentucky at Temple W 56 – 52 –
12/18/1961 Temple at Kentucky W 78 – 55 –
12/17/1960 (#20) Kentucky at Temple L 58 – 66 –
12/22/1959 Kentucky vs. Temple W 97 – 92 (at Louisville, KY)
12/6/1958 Kentucky at Temple W 76 – 71 –
3/21/1958 (#9) Kentucky vs. (#5) Temple W 61 – 60 NCAA Final Four (at Louisville, KY)
12/7/1957 Temple at Kentucky W 85 – 83 3 OT –
12/8/1956 Kentucky at Temple W 73 – 58 –
12/10/1955 Temple at (#2) Kentucky L 61 – 73 –
1/1/1955 (#1) Kentucky at Temple W 101 – 69 –
12/18/1954 Temple at (#2) Kentucky W 79 – 61 –
12/5/1953 Temple at Kentucky W 86 – 59
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 4, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.......
didn’t realize Temple had beaten us that many times in the past. Of course that’s before my time.
UNC is the only big rival that has a winning record (22-11) against us. We won 4 in row from 200-2004, but we really need to do something about that!!!!
"Shut up brain or I'll poke you with a q-tip" - Homer Simpson
UK 10-2 Versus Temple
But the Owls were a national powerhouse then.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 4, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Saw A Couple Of Those
Including the 3OT game that featured Vernon Hatton’s half-court heave, and The Final Four (although it wasn’t called that as I recall) in Louisville. Yet I don’t think Owls (BTW, remember the Owl without a vowel Bill Mklvy? Sort of an old time Jimmer) were a “hated” foe.
"I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up truth to your eyes." Thomas Paine, December 23, 1776
by Wild Weasel on Mar 4, 2011 5:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mlkvy
And Bill Cosby played on Temple back in those days.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 4, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Weasel, with all due respect,
that was before Mears was “certified sane” (Coach Rupp’s words, not mine) and even before RMK developed his inferiority complex because he wasn’t a starter.
By the time I got there, nine years behind you, UT was a big deal in basketball, too. Of course, knight had yet to slap Coach Hall on the head, so Indiana wasn’t so big.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
Coaching Comparison
Pearl – Our guy lied and cried. Took a good reputation and dragged it thru the mud.
Calipari – managed to not get to the Final Four with Five (count ’em, slowly Bama fans, 5) NBA First Round Draft picks in one of the most amazing wastes of talent by any coach in the modern era.
Kentucky beat UT twice last year with that talent (and one of them was not even close). But Calipari’s good for about 6-8 points a game and the Vols took one off the Cats last year, despite having zero NBA players on the squad.
This is NOT an anti-Kentucky rant. Pearl did the same thing to Calipari in Memphis, beating the #1 team in the nation on their home floor. Cal had 3 NBA’ers on the team, IIRC. Pearl? You guessed it – zero. Pearl, for all his flaws, got the most out of limited talent and outcoached Cal.
For those who look at the screen name and say I am just bitter because Cal left Memphis in the lurch for a much better gig at Kentucky, you are wrong. Hated Cal while he was in Memphis as well. Didn’t like his foul mouth on the sidelines or how we suspect he recruited his players.
I have tremendous respect for Kentucky basketball. Huge tradition. We’d like to build that same thing in Knoxville. Kentucky owns the series – even if we’ve had more success against KY than any other school or more than you’d like. Amazing talent. Tremendous teams. Great fan base. Wish we could get 1,000 people commenting on a UT Basketball story. That’s routine at KY.
Just wish you’d picked a different coach.
Hey, bad guys. Look up in the sky. See the UAV? Nope? We see you. "Don't laze me, bro'!"
Just remember
Pearl has been punished for more infractions than Cal has ever been accused of. We will keep him for now.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
Cal is good at skipping town right before his corrupt programs get exposed as such.
He’s quite good at it, actually.
Take as many shots as you want at Pearl — he deserves them. But a man that honestly believes that Calipari is something other than the absolute epitome of corruption is the absolute epitome of a fool.
...just apologize for not thanking me.
When evidence
of misdeeds come forth against Cal then I will not deny it. Until then your words are empty accusations from a biased point of view and will be duly noted as such.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
A look at the Rose debacle
As a Memphis State grad born in KY, I spent the Calipari years at Memphis saying exactly what his defenders are still saying today. The article below (see link) written after the Rose debacle is quite compelling. It wouldn’t stand in a court of law: however, that doesn’t mean it isn’t very close to the truth. I’ve said from day one that Calipari’s tenure will end badly for UK and what’s bad for UK is bad for college basketball. Top ten teams and deep runs in the NCAA allowed me to disregard the concerns at Memphis. I won’t make that mistake with UK.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/aug/20/geoff-calkins-course-calipari-knew-now-its-all-aca/
Then you have no business calling yourself
a UK fan. It could end badly but it could end as one of our greatest eras as well. Time will be the judge but since it is all about entertainment then most of us will enjoy the ride as long as we can.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
I am a big fan of Calkins
I am absolutely shocker that the article won’t stand in a court of law. Damn it, it’s an opinion, that should be enough to put Calipari in the electric chair.
"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.
If you amend your statement to "formally accused of by the NCAA", you are technically correct.
That’s why I said “how we suspect that he recruited his players” at Memphis.
Anyone really believe that Worldwide Wes or the other AAU runners “supporting” Coach Cal (or any other program) are clean?
Hey, bad guys. Look up in the sky. See the UAV? Nope? We see you. "Don't laze me, bro'!"
My guess is...
you didn’t really hate Cal while at Memphis. You probably enjoyed the winning and the recognition Memphis received during his tenure there. Many UK fans despise Rick Pitino because he left and is now at UL. Many say they never liked him to begin with and I don’t believe that either. They just can’t get past the UL thing. It’s easy for you and others to call Cal a cheater but the fact remains nothing has ever been found by the NCAA and what happened at UMass and Memphis were the fault of the players involved. While you say your post isn’t a rant it is full of sour grapes.
by maysvilleblue on Mar 5, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Your guess, respectfully, is incorrect. Tennessee fan living in Memphis. Really did hate Cal. But I enjoyed the fact that Pearl had a winning record against Cal, despite inferior talent at UT.
Hey, bad guys. Look up in the sky. See the UAV? Nope? We see you. "Don't laze me, bro'!"
Pete, actually, you do have the same thing in K-ville.
Only it’s not the men’s team, yet.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
Appreciate the hat tip to Pat Summit and what she's built in Knoxville. She does it the right way.
Unlike that fellow in CT. If there’s a John Wooden in the women’s game, she’d be in the conversation.
It’d be nice to build the same thing on the men’s side – something that rivals the football tradition (yes, we are down now – but Dooley is a nice step back toward doing things the right way and winning. We’ll see where he ends up, but this is a hoops discussion…) or what Pat’s done.
Hey, bad guys. Look up in the sky. See the UAV? Nope? We see you. "Don't laze me, bro'!"
For the Vol fans
Come on with the Bruce Pearl idolization – you don’t lose “seven home games” and some to much less competition and claim Bruce to be an excellent X’s and O’s coach and motivator.
You all beat some of the best teams in the nation away and then fall apart like a wet rag doll at home. So what is your rationale for this travesty?
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
Prior to this season, UT is 70-8 at home under Bruce Pearl. Hence, this season is an exception.
Hey, bad guys. Look up in the sky. See the UAV? Nope? We see you. "Don't laze me, bro'!"
Do you contribute the poor season to self-inflicted-wounds by the Orange Man himself..?
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
I attribute the poor home court performance and inconsistency to
a complete change in leadership amongst the key players (four year seniors Chism, JP Prince, etc gone and replaced by role player Hopson and freshman Harris) as well as the distractions off the court caused by Coach’s misdeeds. Not having Coach on the bench for 8 games in the middle of the season doesn’t help consistency. Totally self-inflicted and no excuses.
Just wanted to correct the earlier assertion that we hadn’t defended the home court under Pearl before this year. He’s pretty good with the X’s and O’s and as a motivator.
I’d also imagine that he’d be easy to hate if he wasn’t wearing your colors – even before this year’s events.
Hey, bad guys. Look up in the sky. See the UAV? Nope? We see you. "Don't laze me, bro'!"
Actually, pete,
I kinda like what Pearl has done for the SEC. He’s certainly re-invigorated the rivalry between the Blue and Orange, and he is one of the best single-game motivators I’ve ever seen, particularly when he’s in the underdog role.
I was truly disappointed in him when the recent revelations came out, but then read that there were things I didn’t know from his earlier career.
Two of the reasons I like him are 1) the shirtless, painted support of Coach Summitt’s team, and 2) the fact that he spoke to a reunion of your 1952(?) national championship football team a few years ago when Fulmer and his staff couldn’t be bothered to attend.
At any rate, as it was with Ray Mears when I was at UK, your coach is a man the UK faithful love to hate. And that’s the stuff a good rivalry is made of.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
And as for Cal,
innuendo and suspicion are poor bases for an overall character judgment. At best, he is the best recruiter in the game today, and at worst, based on NCAA investigations so far, he’s guilty of recruiting “at risk” players who are susceptible to commiting infractions themselves. Remember, Cal is the one who turned Camby in, and the NCAA clearinghouse cleared Rose to play. Was he supposed to sit him after that ruling?
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
Excellent points oldcat
but trying to rationalize with a Cal hater is like trying to convince some people Obama was born in the USA. Closed minds cannot be penetrated by logic nor fact.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
Living in Memphis and rubbing elbows with high dollar donors (not one myself)
let me hear a few of the things that never made it to the papers or the NCAA. I don’t know if they are true or not, but these folks bleed blue and they were said well before the abrupt departure by Cal. If one-third of the cocktail party conversations were true, and I don’t know whether they are or not, then I don’t feel badly about my opinion of Cal or the program he ran in Memphis.
Sometimes, innuendo and suspicion just sound ridiculous about a person because they are of such high character and integrity that the charges just can’t be true. Since most of us only have what we see from the public eye, that’s what we have to go on. Perhaps not fair, but that’s how it is.
Have no idea what Cal’s doing in Kentucky – perhaps your Compliance folks and the Administration keep a firm hand on Cal. They didn’t in Memphis. Cal ran the place.
As to the greatest recruiter in college basketball today title, I might be willing to concede that to Cal. Five NBA First Rounders. Hard to disagree with your statement. I find it amazing that he didn’t win a National Championship with that unprecedented level of talent. I also find it amazing that he lost to a Pearl-coached team with no NBA players on it.
We may respectfully disagree as to the validity of the opinions we have about Cal, but casting aspersions like the other fella’s Obama comment – well, that’s just silly.
I do appreciate the hospitality and civility in this discussion. We would not get the same reception during football season on other boards. Best of luck to you today. Enjoy your visit to Knoxville, those of you making the trip.
Hey, bad guys. Look up in the sky. See the UAV? Nope? We see you. "Don't laze me, bro'!"
We all "hear" things
Just like I have heard this country didn’t really send men to the moon. Fact is you have no proof.
by maysvilleblue on Mar 7, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Rose & Bledsoe
Memphis lost a 38-2 season (Rose — SAT) & UK was just one piece of paper away from losing a 35-3 season (Bledsoe and an A in algebra 3 (?)).
Recruiting players with questionable eligibility is playing with matches given the NCAA’s Judge Roy Bean approach to justice. Here’s a good look at the Rose debacle. By itself it’s concerning. Add in Bledsoe & it’s a trend that I believe won’t end well for KY.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/aug/20/geoff-calkins-course-calipari-knew-now-its-all-aca/
If the only ammunition
you have comes from Geoff Calkins, you are firing blanks. Might as well be quoting Tipton.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
Coyote
I’m sure I speak for a large portion of the UK fan base, when I say, we truly appreciate your concern. It’s touching.
coyote..........hmmmmmmmmmmm..........nice name
anyway………………….OLD NEWS!
by bigbill992001 on Mar 6, 2011 1:52 AM EST up reply actions











