Kentucky Wildcats 76, Arkansas Razorbacks 77: Postmortem
Tell me if you've heard this one before. Close game, on the road. Kentucky is playing well enough to win, and has the lead. A sudden failure of execution by a tired point guard, and the opponent gets a steal that sends it into overtime, where they hang on to win by one.
Ladies and gentlemen of the Big Blue Nation, that has been replayed at least five times this year for the Kentucky Wildcats. This one, though is unquestionably the killer. Losing this game to Arkansas is the equivalent of a thermonuclear detonation on the confidence of both this team and the Kentucky fans who support them (well, at least this one, anyway). It doesn't seem to matter who the opponent is, or how well or poorly Kentucky plays. There are three things that are always the same: It's always close, it's always a failure of stretch execution, and it's always a loss.
Congratulations to the Arkansas Razorbacks. They were certainly due a victory over Kentucky as this once-great rivalry had faded to nothing but a memory with ten straight Kentucky wins over the Hawgs. That streak is now officially over, and Arkansas certainly deserved to win this game as hard as they played. Marshawn Powell and Rotnei Clarke were terrific, and Julysses Nobles made the big three that provided the final margin of one point.
More after the jump.
What went wrong? Heavens, I don't really know. Everything. And nothing. And all points in-between. We rebounded the ball like we were playing little boys, and yet Kentucky lost the ball maybe ten times out of bounds on rebounds they should have had. Blown layups? Many. Can't make threes? Check. Where's Waldo Doron? Check. Best player goes off in Liggins face? Uh-huh. Talented but underachieving player has his best game of the year? Yepper. The enigma that is Terrence Jones? Sho' nuff.
John Calipari must be getting tired of saying, "young team" as an excuse for this. Frankly, Calipari's exasperation should now be complete, and if it isn't, I have to question his humanity, or perhaps his sanity. I know that I am completely vexed to the edge of rationality, and it would take only the tiniest nudge to send the men in white coats to my house. It's like a nightmare that you can't wake up from.
Overall, I thought the team played well at times, and poorly at times, particularly on defense. Allowing Rotnei Clarke to shoot seven straight free throws and get a four-point play is as bewildering as Sanskrit. The sequence of events that led us to this pass is so far beyond unlikely that there is no adjective available to describe it -- except maybe, "Epic fail."
I'm sorry, but I have to be honest -- that's what this game was, an epic fail by inches. The failure is so complete and comprehensive not in the context of the entire game, but in the minutiae that led to the defeat, that it is very much like being killed one centimeter at a time. It takes a long time, and a lot of blood, and you just barely die, but die you do. Just as the trees in Toomer's Corner will gradually die due to poison, Kentucky's season (and NCAA seed) has gradually withered to the point where it just gradually expires. Maybe this is what waterboarding feels like.
Well, the good news is that we can only suffer this sort of excruciating, ego-destroying defeat one more time on the season. I have no hope whatsoever that it will be otherwise, and I could even be convinced that this is a cosmic conspiracy by nefarious, Wildcat-hating deities to torture the Big Blue Nation into collective madness.
At this precise moment, I am inches away from just that. The only thing that keeps me sane at the moment is the almost daffy notion that neutral courts might actually be different.
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Knight got hammered to point of his arm being bent back, and in toward
his body, on the “turnover” there at the end. How that doesn’t get called, I don’t know.
But, allowing 40 points in the paint to Ark. (that has to be a season high) is unforgiveable, and the reason for the loss, at least in my eyes.
BTW
Great job on the PM, Glenn. It’s always hard to make any sense when writing after such a tough loss.
by Ken Howlett on Feb 24, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Poor Glenn
Having to write so many of these and come up with new material to keep us entertained and sustained. (Which he is doing admirably.)
Hats off to you Glenn!
Im with you Glenn.
Here’s to hoping neutral courts help our cause.
by phatcatfan on Feb 23, 2011 11:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Very tough loss
I agree – it was a real confidence killer. This team has a complex about winning on the road like the Football team has about playing Tennessee. A close win could have had this team turning the corner. But alas, no.
It’s almost as if this team is losing all the close games that it should have won to balance out last year’s team winning all those close games they should have lost.
What’s missing? Swagger. This team has none, and we need it to win the close ones. And in the NCAA, anything past the second round is going to be a close one.
Great write-up Glenn
And as soon as the guys with the white coats leave here, they are headed west on 64.
Don’t fear though. As soon as I talk my way out of that jacket by morning, I will be okay. If you need sprung, just chant GO BIG BLUE over and over (my plan) and they will think society is safe, once again.
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
Heh.
Sounds like a plan. :-)
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by Glenn Logan on Feb 23, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Click your heels
and close your eyes while chanting “Go Big Blue”. worked for Dorothy!
hoping neutral courts wiil change things
but, I’m at the point where I’m about ready to rip the bandaid off and wish this season was over…. I’ve lost all hope in this team…. I really don’t think that neutral courts will make much of a difference to this team now… I feel they’ve lost all confidence that they can win this thing out…. you don’t see it in their steps or in their eyes…. I pray that they can turn this aournd, but my fiath that they will……. well, it’s doubtfull…. hope I’m wrong.
by BleedsBlue_N_TN on Feb 23, 2011 11:19 PM EST reply actions
Really great post-mortem...
You said it all…very well…Where do we go from here? No doubt, there can’t be any confidence left in a close game…
"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"
Maybe ....
We need to try and keep them from being so close. Or really anything at this point.
by phatcatfan on Feb 23, 2011 11:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Heard on the radio that this is the first time that a UK team...
has ever lost 6 straight road games. Pathetic! I have no confidence in this team for the remainder of the year. Why should I?
And its starting to get old to use the refs as an excuse! Just sayin.
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
The refs aren't the problem.
Every team gets calls at home. You have to play past that. Occasionally, they make a mess of things, but tonight, there were just a few home calls, maybe four. That’s about par for the course. At crunch time, they mostly got it right, and that non-foul against Knight was a non-foul all night.
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by Glenn Logan on Feb 23, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
glad you think so Tru (about the refs)
because there is a fanaticism about complaining about the refs that is so self serving. As if Uk doesnt get away with all kinds of the same stuff. I try to be level headed and not a blind homer. But that’s just me.
I see the missed calls both ways but do not obsess over it :)
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
Well ...
… when the refs affect the outcome, I complain. When they blow a few calls, I shrug.
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by Glenn Logan on Feb 24, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with this.
There’s only one game that I still, after the dust has settled, blame on the refs as pathetic and a Tennessee loss, and that’s the game at Vanderbilt once Tennessee went to #1 a few years ago. That’s one game in a long, long time. Like you said, 4 bad calls I think is on-par for the norm, and you really hope the crappy calls come with more time left in the game than 30 seconds. I mean, Tennessee had one of the worst calls in recent memory against Vanderbilt last night, but it was impressive that this Tennessee team didn’t let the bad call get them down.
I’ve said it about Tennessee, and I’ll say it about Kentucky again too: do they have the mental toughness to win these close games when their back is against the wall? I think UT and UK are very similar this year, with UK having probably more overall talent and Tennessee having much more experience. Honestly, I can’t help but be very, very curious to see where Kentucky will go in the pre-season, because as you say neutral-court games could so possibly be different. But what happens when Kentucky faces a scrappy, guard-heavy team in the post-season? Will home-kentucky come up or will away-kentucky show up? Away-Kentucky doesn’t communicate on defense or move around on offense — or get shots to drop — like home-Kentucky does. Home-Kentucky looks to be a 2nd week NCAA team easily, away-Kentucky looks like a first-round upset waiting to happen.
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That's (333333jorkland)^2 and $$$$$$$$immons to you, chump.
Not the first time UK has lost six straight on the road
the ‘89-’90 team lost six straight road games, and 10 of 11.
by Ken Howlett on Feb 24, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
The '88-'89 team lost seven straight on the road.
So the radio guys were waaaaay off.
by Ken Howlett on Feb 24, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure who you're listening to Seven
I hope not Tom and Mike P. because this team has lost four straight road games, not six.
by Ken Howlett on Feb 24, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
i had just run out to the store and whatever station was still on said it....
dont shoot the messenger :)
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
LOL, no, not shooting the messenger
or at least I didn’t mean to come off as “shooting” you :)
It just drives me crazy whenever the TV guys or someone on the radio states something as fact, and in fact, it isn’t even close to being true.
Keep your head up … as hard as that might be!!
by Ken Howlett on Feb 24, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
LOL...this is from John Clay
this team has become the first Kentucky basketball team to lose six SEC road games in a season since the conference expanded
So maybe that is what they meant. Just thought I would share,
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
Nah
He was pretty stellar in SEC play during his first season… and most of the losses the next year came at home!
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
12-4 In SEC (First Year = 2008 Season)
But only 6-9 in OOC or postsseason games.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 24, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Good catch Ken
Wish the media would actually do their research. Not hard with Jon Scott’s page.
Oh well....
Hello everyone. UK lost the game when Arkansas guard Clarke hit 7 free throws in a row to take a one point lead, mostly due to some bonehead play on UK’s part.
I was watching this on ESPN3 when dinner was called (about 7 minutes to go). Without hesitation I powered down and enjoyed a nice relaxing dinner because I pretty much knew UK would lose. This team has pretty good talent, but a weak heart and a low basketball IQ. I’m through investing very much emotion into this team because they refuse to invest much in themselves. This team’s regression since December has been noticeable and persistent, but I remain and will always be a UK fan.
Incidentally, dinner was rosemary pork chops with a marmalade glaze, baked sweet potatoes, and a nice mixed green salad with goat cheese and beets accompanied by a not too bad red vin ordinaire.
by westcoastKYfan on Feb 23, 2011 11:52 PM EST reply actions
So, for THAT dinner
I could forget a lot of things.
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That's (333333jorkland)^2 and $$$$$$$$immons to you, chump.
not crazy about sweet potatoes, but the other grub is heavenly:)
by Ken Howlett on Feb 23, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Feh.
I have better food than that by accident. Just kidding, of course.:-)
My fare tonight was pizza and beer. As classic as game night gets.
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by Glenn Logan on Feb 24, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Refs
You people have got to be kidding me if you don’t think they had a drastic influence on this game.
First, let me say that I don’t like to blame losses on the refs. The book is out on UK this season and every team in the SEC has read it. Play UK physical on your court, where you know you will get a few calls, and you have a shot to win. This isn’t the refs fault, this is UK’s fault.
Having said that, when the officiating is this bad, they have to take some blame. It isn’t just this game, NCAA officiating has been going downhill for years as the age of the refs continues to go downhill. But, I digress. Liggins did not foul Clarke, but OK, it is at Arkansas so he gets that call. The technical was completely unwarranted unless Liggins gave the ref the one finger hello as he was running. What gets me though is they call touch fouls all night on both sides until the last minute of regulation when Josh had a rebound and an Arkansas player was literally draped over his back swatting the ball from his hands. Seriously, look at the game again and you will see him bent over his back. That kind of call HAS to be made, I don’t care where you are.
Should UK have won the game? Yes. Do they need to play tougher on the road? Absolutely. Did they do all kinds of things wrong that cost them the game? Uh huh. Did the refs influence the outcome of the game by making bad calls? They. Did.
i've been waiting for this moment all my life...but it's not quite right.
Blame
Hey, Small. Not to be argumentative, but from this outpost if UK wants to know who cost them the game, they should look in the mirror. UK had plenty of chances to put away a lesser opponent and chose not to take advantage of those situations.
by westcoastKYfan on Feb 24, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
+1
For instance, the gazillion layups we allowed and 22 ORB. Not to mention the T.O. at the end when leading by 1. No, this game is squarely on the contestants.
by bigbill992001 on Feb 24, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
ARK did NOT have 22 ORB
The TV crew must have been making up their own stats, because they were wrong all night. ESPN stats show ARK with 13 ORB. Gametracker was the same.
I got that off the UK website
43 rebs/22 orb
by bigbill992001 on Feb 24, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
I don't understand the disparity in statistics
but the 22 ORB just doesn’t jive with my eyes.
I see that now
It includes 8 team offensive RBs. What are team ORBs?
jdog
I believe team rebounds are when the ball hits the floor and is recovered.
by bigbill992001 on Feb 24, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
I thought team rebounds
were only when the ball went out of bounds off an opponent. Offensive rebounds would be when that happens and the offensive team retains the ball. Could there have been 8 situations of that?
you may be right, dog, I'm not sure of the ruling
I know it happened a few times, but I have no idea how many times. 8 seems like a lot, tho.
by bigbill992001 on Feb 24, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
here is ESPN's Boxscore -- UK actually won both sides of the boards
http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=310540008
No matter where you're at, there you are
UK won or tied every one of the Four Factors ...
… except FT Rate, which they lost narrowly.
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of course when it mattered you'd think ball had been replaced by a greased up pig
No matter where you're at, there you are
i get that.
i think the players are primarily to blame for the loss. at this point they should know how they need to play on the road and they didn’t do it. no argument from me there. what i am saying is, the refs did influence the outcome of this game. they made questionable calls that provided Ark with an unfair advantage. not just a home court advantage, but an unfair advantage. that is not how games should be refereed, but it has become that way across the NCAA.
i've been waiting for this moment all my life...but it's not quite right.
i don’t like to be a cry baby about the officials either, but I think they were wearing Arkansas jerseys under their stripes!!
by PUREBLUEINBAMA on Feb 24, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Calipari Quote In AP Article On Yahoo!
"If you’re not angry by this, like angry that this is happening and that we’re going to stop this from happening, it won’t change," Kentucky coach John Calipari said. "I know I’m angry."
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 24, 2011 12:16 AM EST reply actions
Another Tough One
Great post mixing the right amount of despair and humor.
Said it before, there simply isn’t enough talent and size. Your point about the rebounds going off of UK and OOB is exactly right. Only TJ and JH are big and strong. When the gang rebounding goes away at the end of games which it does because players are tired UK isn’t as successful. Note that Jones and Liggins each failed to rebound on key possessions at the end.
Yes, BK was fouled on the TO and the drive (badly on the drive IMO) but the game should never have come to this.
One thing I sometimes count in games ( any game, not just UK) is fouls called by officials away from the ball. The replay shows there was no contact on the Liggins foul that lead to the technical until their feet got tangled OOB. The official standing right there called nothing. The foul was called by official back up the court. I thought the official on the baseline looked a little surprised a foul was called.
I got thrown out of more than a couple games pointing that problem out to officials back when I coached. Heck I nearly got thrown out of a HS BBall game last year over it. Still can’t believe what that official called from where with another guy right on top of the play and essentially playing advantage.. If it had been a soccer game he would have been waving his arms signaling play on…play changed the game. Still drives me crazy and yes, I fully understand sight lines and so forth. I officiated a bit when much younger. Doing it right is hard work.
I would like some comments on the following point:
I believe shooters are so successful against UK because of the excellent help defense. To stop inside scoring the perimeter plays must help out and then recover. Over the course of game you don’t always make it and when tired you make it even less. So the shooters are catching and setting cleanly and into the shot when pressure comes. That doesn’t work against good shooters. Or even bad ones some nights.
It is what it is. Still love watching them play. They compete so hard. Nearly all the time, which unfortunately isn’t enough.
by darkandbloody@gmail.com on Feb 24, 2011 12:24 AM EST reply actions
Good post, Glenn, I know it tears your heart out to have to write this........again.
Execution, Execution, Execution………..or lack thereof. We’ve seen that movie all too often this yr. We had several good looks but couldn’t find the hole. Personally, I didn’t like the 3 attempt at the end of reg. I like to attack the bucket in that situation. Ark. doessn’t want to foul.
ORB-While we got 19, which is good, we gave up 22. That’s right……….22! Sometimes with 3 of our guys right there. Frustrating.
PIP-Ark. put on a layup clinic.
3pt. defense-Remember I posted that we should pay close attention to our 3pt. defense? By my count, we closely contested 7 of Ark. 21 attempts. Two of those by Clarke were makes, incl. a 4pt. play. On another, he was fouled by Josh. That’s 2 times in this game, and seems like every game now, we fouled the 3pt. shooter who just happened to be the other team’s best FT shooter. Only 1 time did someone other than Clark hit a contested 3, and it was huge. Ark. shot 33.3% from 3 and we shot 16%.
But, as westcoastKYfan noted above, the game was really lost on that sequence when Clarke hit 7 straight FT. We went from up 6 to down 1. I don’t know what Ligs did to get the T, but it came at a bad time. A close game on the road, and UK was starting to get something going.
Good Post, Glenn, ...
Not nearly as much as it does me to have to read it……..again. :-(I know it tears your heart out to have to write this……..again.
No, we didn't lose it there.
When Clarke finished scoring from the line, we had the ball, down 1, with 14:44 to play.
In close games, the difference between winning and losing is execution in the final possessions. Coming out of a timeout with 12.4 seconds to go, down 1 and with the ball, we should have found a way to score. Or rebound. We just couldn’t.
Now, I don’t expect much with 1.8 seconds remaining, but the more I look at it, the more I think that’s where we lost the game. Liggins was inbounding, and it seemed he was looking for Brandon the whole way. Problem was, Brandon was moving away from the basket, which is not a good thing. Brandon had to turn and heave a rather quick shot. He was 1 of 7 at that point. The shot was difficult enough, but its long and arcing trajectory also meant there’d be no time for a tip-in. So as soon as Liggins passed it, our hopes hung on a prayer.
If Liggins had only looked to his left, he would have seen Harrellson on the block, almost by himself. Only 6’1" Nobles was in the area to offer any resistance. Sanchez, the only other opponent around the rim, was concerned with blocking out Jones on the weak side. So it was basically just Harrellson and the little fella under the basket.
Had Liggins taken that option, I have to believe Harrellson would have won the game with a fairly easy layup or dunk. Indeed, Harrellson appeared disappointed that he didn’t get the ball. Liggins made a bad choice. And that was the killer.
wheat
the point was that we GAVE them 7 pts., call them bonus points, during that sequence. All because of stupid plays. #1, Josh fouls the 3pt shooter, cardinal sin. #2, That shooter happens to be one of the best FT shooters. #3, Then, when Ligs fouls, he gets the T out of frustration. The way we play on the road, we can’t afford to give any bonus pts. away. Yes, in a ONE pt. loss, we can look back and pick out a dozen plays, but that sequence really changed the game. We were up 6 and starting to roll. Then, Down 1, and figuring it’s our last possession, I like to attack the D. Don’t take a 3, take the ball to the hoop. The Hogs won’t want to foul and lose the game at the line. Also, as you pointed out on the inbounds, don’t go away from the hoop. Throw the ball into the paint and put pressure on the D to make a play. Again, they don’t want to foul.
by bigbill992001 on Feb 24, 2011 3:29 AM EST up reply actions
Point taken.
I’m not sure hindsight is ever very useful. You hope to learn from your mistakes, but there are so many mistakes to be made, it doesn’t seem possible to avoid the same result. It can make you feel as helpless as a character in Kafka.
Saw a nice piece by Malcolm Gladwell in The New Yorker about the intelligence community and connecting the dots. After an unexpected event, like 9/11 or the Yom Kippur War or the Kentucky loss to Arkansas, the reconstructed probability of its happening is significantly less surprising than when its original probability is remembered. Examining the event after the fact, it is difficult to understand how we ever allowed the event to take place.
But it’s the very happening of the event that gives you the power to see so clearly what happened and why. Which, again, you hope to learn from, but which in practice gives you little hope of avoiding the next disaster.
I haven’t given up. I’m just operating on no sleep.
I'm with ya, Wheat
I’ll never give up, and hope that they get this turned around. However, we don’t seem to be learning from our mistakes. “Examining the event after the fact, it is difficult to understand how we ever allowed the event to take place.” Says it all.
by bigbill992001 on Feb 24, 2011 5:00 AM EST up reply actions
Leadership
This Kentucky team is a Great and Mighty Warship…..with no rudder to guide it. It looked to me like no Cat more than Jorts wanted to win this one. I think he reallllly wanted it. No one worked harder. He needs to take charge, demand more from his teammates, evil eye transgressors, be the senior, be the leader. No one else wants the job. It can still be a great season for the cats. If they find their leader. I hope your listening Jorts. Go Cats Go!
DLamb played less than 20 min.
I’m not one to question a players playing time, but I’d really like to know why Lamb wasn’t utilized more, especially with the ’Cats going 3-19 from long range.
BK — I thought he played a very solid game, even if his perimeter D was at times lacking. But, he did an admirable job of not picking up his fifth foul after picking up his fourth foul with over 5 minutes remaining.
by Ken Howlett on Feb 24, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
the box score
gave DL 16 mins, 1-5 shooting, incl. 0-2 from 3. Basically, he didn’t get off the bus. I’m not sure why he didn’t play more, he finished with 3 PF. Add to that that TJ had an off nite scoring. Josh had a heck of a game, tho. We shot 50% 2nd half to Hogs 33% and still lost. Go figure.
by bigbill992001 on Feb 24, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
Ken ...
Brandon shot 8-23, 1-8 from 3 and 9-9 FT in 43 mins. This game proved the adage that this team needs Brandon to play well on offense to win.
I tell you why Lamb wasn't used
He has a really difficult time creating his own shot which is what our offensive schemes dictate. He is nothing more then a great spot up shooter, one of the best in the nation and has to rely on someone finding him open. A swarming defense cuts down on his opportunities. I don’t have an answer for it.
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
According to Calipari,
Lamb didn’t play more because of his defense. He is poor on the pick and roll and whenever he was in, they immediately put the pick and roll on with his man and scored. Like, this happened about every time. Defensive liabilities do not play for Cal.
Hate to say it why did Cal pick him out when it happened to all the other guys also..?
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
by KansasUKCat on Feb 24, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
true
No doubt BK gave his all but its not his last season. Either with the Cats or the Pros he will go on to play. Jorts is beginning to realize this could be it, he wants it more. Please don’t get me wrong none of our Cats doesn’t care, they all want to win for sure, but for whom? I believe they would step up for Jorts.
Jorts
He played his behind off, that’s for sure.
You might be on to something as far as Josh realizing this is it for him. Seeing the end of ones career can have a strong effect on a kid, no doubt.
by Ken Howlett on Feb 24, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
Those commenters questioning individual player commitment to "Team" are mistaken, imo.
Like the old adage, “If you want to find religion look in a foxhole,” if you want to find “team” commitment look in the hearts of players beset by adversity, a series of close losses, the severe disappointment of their fans and the rearing mountainous challenges barring their path.
Egos have all been beaten flat by this time. If anything the opposite problem may be emerging – finding someone actually willing to step out and put the team on their hip is becoming problematic, imo.
The problem with this team...
is that we lost Kanter. That, and Jones is just not ready for the big-time….all I can say.
Jones came into the game averaging 20 ppg in SEC road games, but
I thought he and JH’s 1st half paint defense was in a word, pathetic, and the primary reason UK lost.
by Ken Howlett on Feb 24, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
But
Kanter was a long shot for us. Jones has got some work ahead of him for sure. But he’s gonna be Great.
Some weeks back
Myself and others took a lot of flack for saying that this team was lacking. Lacking in size,lacking in numbers and lacking one other thing. They don’t seem to grasp the team concept. There is a lot of I and Me. There is no I in team. I will keep on following as I have for 60 years. But there is not far to follow.
I think we have to accept that this team isn't all that good
We all had high hopes for a #1 class, but as is often said…………..#1 recruiting class doesn’t guarantee anything.
by bigbill992001 on Feb 24, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
Bill
I think you are right. Optimism will get you only so far. I don’t see us with a bye and don’t think they can win 4 games in a row anywhere. We will be out of the top 25 and a bad seed in the tournament could mean curtains on first weekend.
70
This team really confounds me. We played our best bball early and OOC. We played well in Maui and against ND/UL. What happened to THAT team? They were supposed to get better as the season wore on. ND and UL are rising and we’re sinking like a rock.
by bigbill992001 on Feb 24, 2011 3:36 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think we are playing that much different then at the start
The other teams that we have played are in most cases improving over their season. Notre Dame and UofL have vastly improved imo.
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
that's my point, Kansas
those teams are improving and we don’t seem to be. They’re rising up in the rankings and we’re probably gone now.
by bigbill992001 on Feb 24, 2011 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
Not going to completely disagree...
After watching Cal up close in memphis, my main concern was how well he would be able to coach night in and night out in the SEC vs CUSA.
although i have been more impressed with his coaching over the last 2 years than the 9 at memphis, last year clearly pushed that concern to the background and this year has pulled if forward
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
When you have an NBA caliber team like last years
It makes coaching a little easier doesn’t it:-)
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
and there in lies the rub....
Cal’s critics like to say he just rolls the ball out and lets them play – implying he cannot coach.
Someone once told me that what makes a good coach is having good players versus weak competition….
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
coaching.
There are so many things that go into being a coach. Bench coaching/in-game strategy is but one small part. Those who say Cal cannot coach are misguided, IMO. Sure, he may not be the best in-game strategist, but at the end of the day when you consider all the other things the man kicks ass in (recruiting, being media-savvy, a visionary in recruiting overseas, etc.) I’m super happy with him. Very few coaches excel in all areas; I’ll take one that excels in 9 out of 10 any day.
Oh, and memphis, I’m really not trying to stalk you today. You are just bringing up good points that I feel like discussing. Thanks for the lovely chats today.
I would consider it an honor...
to be stalked by you :)
I used to be more in the “he rolls the ball out and lets them play” camp, but not as much any more. calling a TO is the miss state game 30 secs in is something he never would have done before last year.
he is sort of the phil jackson of college ball – he manages egos. to me phil jackson had great players. the bulls/lakers did not win because he was a great x and o coach but he know how to push the right buttons. nothing wrong with that…
The excitement is back and we are winning so i will take it as well.
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by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
You two need a room
j/k
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@btcoop71
Oh dear.
This is really quite funny. You know I’m a Laker fan, right? Are you baiting me? ; )
Ok, so obviously the Laker fan in me wants to comment on this soooo very bad, but this really isn’t the right venue, but since I can’t resist and my fingers are just typing without my consent, I’ll keep this quick and let me just sum up with this…
I don’t agree about what you said about PJ. I think Phil Jackson is a very good coach. Phil Jackson has 11 championship rings. That’s one more ring than he has fingers; the man obviously knows what he is doing.
But, I do agree with your main point which I think was that managing players is also an important factor to being a successful coach and that both of the coaches mentioned in our little discussion here are good at that.
Also, I think it’s incredibly important to note that if Calipari were like Jackson, well, that would be just great because of the above mentioned success, but I don’t really think you can and should compare NBA and college coaches. Their respective jobs are really quite different, IMO.
John Wooden would attest to that
Some of the greatest players in the world made him an all world coach.
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
(He Said) No Coach Can W Consistently Without Talent
He’s the first to say that talent (not coaching) wins games and (ultimately) titles.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 24, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
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I don’t always agree with some of Cal’s decisions. I posted such on a fanpost, so I won’t open THAT can of worms again. However, I’m not quite ready to jump ship on Cal. Let’s give him another yr. or 2.
by bigbill992001 on Feb 24, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
i am very frustrated that not one close game has gone our way
That being said, if we win out I believe we still get a bye. Does not feel that way but that is the situation.
After the close ones we lost earlier, the kids could have folded. By my count the had 3 chances to win on a last second shot and did not quit. they are fighters. I just wish they would fight for 40 minutes.
I disagree that the no call on the to was a no call all night. But the team needs to play better so that the no call has no impact
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by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 1:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I doubt this, very much so.
I don’t see many more losses on Vanderbilt’s schedule, and isn’t UK now two games behind them?
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No, I think he's right
I believe we are 1 game back of Vandy (thanks to you guys). We’re 7-6, they’re 8-5. If we win out, that would include a victory over Vandy, and we win the tie-breaker based on a better division record – so if we were going to lose a game, this was the one to lose.
Of course, that all hinges on us winning out. Maybe we beat Fla and Vandy at home, but going to your dump and winning? Not likely.
memphis
do you really think we win @ UT?
by bigbill992001 on Feb 24, 2011 3:38 AM EST up reply actions
Thats why they play the game....
My point is that it is still mathematically possible to get the bye so when i hear people throw in the towel on this team, i get a bit frustrated. We need to be building up this team, not giving up on them.
UT has been inconsistent all season so you never know which team will show up. I know playing them at their place will be tough.
We are literally 4 3-pt shots away from having only 2 SEC loses – and neither of our other loses were blowouts. No we are not getting it done in cruch time BUT we are putting ourselves in a position to win.
This team is not an “epic fail” – the continued road loses make it sometimes feel that way but we have been in every game.
Maybe the season ends before we get one of those shots to fall for us or before we learn to put teams away so we do not have to rely on a buzzer beater. But in my frustration last night (which is HUGE), i just decided that the final horn blows in our final game, i just will not give up on the team.
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by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
to clarify...
my frustration mentioned in the first paragraph is different than my frustration mentioned in the last.
i am extremely frustrated to see this team lose at the buzzer time and time again. i feel many of the things that Glenn outlines in his PM. for me, i have just decided not to be frustrated and to pull for them to win a close one – hopefully in K-town (although blowing them out in their place would be nice…sorry bobo, just sayin)
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by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
memphis
I feel your pain. I won’t call this team an ‘epic fail’, I never expected 35-3….maybe 27 wins. But, when we start losing to the Ole Misses of the world, we are definately underachieving.
I’ll watch every min. of every game and root for our boys all the way.
by bigbill992001 on Feb 24, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
UConn
Was a blowout.
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was talking about SEC....
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by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Ah, misread. My mistake.
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no problem...
just selectively using the “facts” to state my case…. :)
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by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
And That
my friend sums up this whole season. I never had a good feeling about the game last night unlike other years. If this team is playing on the road – I know they’re going to lose. they know they’re going to lose and the other team knows they’re going to win. To me it just seems as simple as that. The shots don’t go down as easily, the defense is sloppy and the turnovers increase. Don’t see this team going anywhere, post-season. However, I’ll still watch although without as much emotion as in the past. I’ve used that all up as of last night.
Here's the thing
I understand, at the end of the game, you want your “playmakers” to have have the ball.
Here’s the problem. Name one time our “playmaker” came through with the last shot to win the game.
Jones and Knight will ALWAYS be the primary targets of the defense in that situation. You have to allow someone else to take the shot.
I know much of the BBN would shudder at the thought of driving in and dumping off to Jorts, but you HAVE to take that into consideration. When you have the same couple of guys always taking that shot (and failing), you are killing the morale of the team, and in those clutch situations, you are going to have two guys getting guarded like Ft. Knox and three guys standing around waiting to see if it goes in.
Absolutely mindboggling!!!!
UK won every statistical category except 3pt percentage, and lost anyway. Horibble turnover at the end of the game, and horrible last shot. Don’t know what else to say.
ScottWalls...
UK won every statistical category except 3pt percentage, and lost anyway.
You actually put your finger on the dagger…. We shot 3-19 from 3. It was like we left something on the bus.
Yet, when Darius steps up and hits one near the end of regulation to tie it up
He might as well have gone straight to the locker room. As far as i recall (not far admittedly), he never got another touch.
He hit the game tying 3 against Florida and last night and they won’t put the ball in his hands at the end of the game. I don’t get it.
Geeeez. I'm just about ready for this season to END.
how many times does TJ need to get his shot blocked close to the basket for him to figure out he may need to dump it off to someone else. It was mentioned earlier from someone and I repeat. I don’t beleive a neutral site will change things much. these Guys just aren’t that good. maybe next year. but not this year. maybe I’ll be proven wrong about this year but don’t think so. I do think that Hood & Poole will transfer Jones may try for NBA and Vargas will not be invited back. so we will see an almost different team next year ( very Young again) course I could be wrong about that to
In response...
Terrence is getting fouled on a large fraction of those blocks at the basket, they’re just not being called. Cal was trying to change something in how Jones finishes to make sure he gets the call. It just hasn’t worked, yet. Jones is a big, if not the biggest, component of this team’s offense and we need him to be that scoring presence in the paint. While not his best game, he shot 5-12 and 0-1 from 3, he was hardly a disaster.
I do think that Hood & Poole will transfer Jones may try for NBA and Vargas will not be invited back. so we will see an almost different team next year ( very Young again) course I could be wrong about that to
I would be very surprised if any of the players transferred out and deeply disappointed if Cal ran any off. Hood, Poole and Vargas are Calipari’s recruits.
I agree with your last sentence, Cal does not have a history of running players off.
However, I will voice my disbelief that only Jones will test the NBA waters. I expect two of the three of Knight, Jones, and Lamb to leave for the NBA. I think we can all agree that it is very likely that one of Cal’s major recruiting tools is to note that he puts players into the NBA. If only Jones does go pro, I would expect next year’s recruiting class to suffer for because, let’s face it, five-star recruits don’t want to sit on the bench their first year, or be forced to play behind a star. With a star, perhaps, but not as a back-up role. That and I’m sure we all know that Knight and Lamb would likely be first round projections and certainly second-round ones if they were to go pro, if for nothing other than their potential.
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Remember the looming lockout.
That is likely to have a major effect on decisions, and it looks like it’s going to be a long one.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
You'd think that
But then you see the lockout looming in the NFL and yet tons of juniors still left college early. They’ll get paid either way, it should be noted.
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I don't see the NFL lockout lasting into the season
Same thing with an NBA lockout. These leagues can’t be that stupid.
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@btcoop71
And I think that's the thought with the players, too.
In the simplest thoughts, it comes down to: I want my money, now. You never know what a year can bring, and, honestly, I doubt that most of the players Kentucky now has starting care more for Kentucky or for National Titles than they do to play in the NBA. If last year’s team could up and leave, this one could as well.
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Yes bobo those are the hard cold facts
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
by KansasUKCat on Feb 24, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Of course they can
They cancelled the World Series in MLB. If the owners think it’ll bring them more money to lockout – they’ll lockout, simple as that.
NBA Draftees don't get paid for a lockout until there is a contract signed....
therefore if Jones (for example leaves), gets drafted and a lockout occurs, he will not get paid until he signs a contract.
Perhaps the top few draft choices get signed, but until a new CBA is in place, i doubt anyone drafted this june gets any money until the lock out it is over.
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by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
But the players are still drafted, and can still sign contracts.
There is nothing stopping teams from doing that — indeed, that’s likely what will happen with the NFL in the upcoming year, from what I’ve heard. But I Am Not A Lawyer or anything like that, it’s just my understanding of the situation.
From what I’ve gathered, too, the NBA’s issues are a lot more easily smoothed over than the NFL ones.
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agree...
just realistically, i do not see the owners rushing to sign anyone until a new CBA is in place. Likewise, not sure agents will either. One side would hold out..
While the NBA is probably less confrontational, i do see the anthony/james situation of “picking” teams as a potential issue. not sure what happens
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by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Players are not paid during the lockout.
That is why the unions are telling guys to save money. If there is no CBA, no games, there will be no pay. It is like a strike but by the employer.
I bet if you sign a contract that a bank would loan as much as you wished
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
lottery.
Don’t most of the lottery picks (and that is what I would expect Jones to be if he declares for the daft) sign within days of the draft? I’m really not sure, but I think that is the case and if that’s the case, he will technically be “signed” by the actual time of the lockout?
Also, it should be noted that most rookies (under the current CBA, of course) don’t start earning their real money until that second contract (their second year). So, any player that declares and is drafted this year (with or without lockout) is still in the system to earn the big bucks that second year. Main point — I don’t think the looming lockout will scare players off all that much, especially if they really want to go. This is a weak draft, those who are scared of who may be coming next year (more talented players) will declare now.
agree in theory...
but if there is a new CBA being debated, which one do you sign under as a lottery pick? you are essentially signing a contract where you do not know the terms.
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by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
NBA contracts
You’re right that they really make their money in the second contract, but that doesn’t typically happen in their second year. The first contract is about 3-4 years, I believe.
by wildcatfaninexile on Feb 24, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
that may be true,
but my main point still stands. They will already be in the system.
By going next year, they won’t have as long to wait to get to that second contract. One year will already be down.
just to be difficult...
you are assuming both parties (draftee and team) are willing to sign a kid drafted in june under the current CBA and i would argue that at least one party will not want to do that and may not be legally able to if they both wanted.
they might be in the system but they have no idea what the system is.
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by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
just to be argumentative...
I would again bring up weak draft class. If these guys (I’m just really thinking Jones specifically here) have any fear whatsoever about the talent that is coming (not only at UK, but college wide) I say they risk it.
This may be their best chance to get taken high and if they aren’t, one — liking the college experience, and two — don’t have confidence that they can improve enough to leap-frog or stay atop most of the newbie’s, well, I say they might just be willing to take the risk on a fragile or unclear system.
i would agree on the quality of the draft...
it is weak this year. i think part of the reason is that you had some kids come out last year because if they stayed, they would be staring at the lock out…i think you are dead on in your comments in your 2nd paragraph.
ultimately, i am more in your camp than not – i just think it is less clear cut this year and could sway 1 or 2 to stay….
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by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
If there is a lockut, there will be no paychecks; but the agents will float the rookies for a while
but I bet that will only be for those with a guaranteed contract, aka first rounders. Are you listening, Doron?
No matter where you're at, there you are
Same in the NFL
Players get game checks. That is why I think it gets settled by the start of the season. If so, then there is no real detriment to leaving.
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@btcoop71
So all those lost seasons and half seasons in the past...
… when players made less money and thus presumably needed a paycheck even more, didn’t happen?
The owners can protect themselves with scabs. Worked once in the NFL and in major league baseball. Some good players came out of both strikes that otherwise would have never had a chance.
I could care less. Lock out away. I do think it will cause more players to stay in college, especially the borderline draft pick kids or these like Knight who don’t NEED the money.
TW
we coulda lived with TJ’s offensive output if Lamb had stepped up. We really missed his 12-14 pts.
by bigbill992001 on Feb 24, 2011 3:42 AM EST up reply actions
I’ts not over till it’s over!! I for one will be cheering them on until it is over and then I’ll look toward next year! The losses are excruciating, but knowing that there are fans out there giving up and already looking toward next year just makes me sick. I’ts especially detrimental to the guys that are proudly wearing Kentucky blue and giving it their all for almost 40 minutes every game!!
by PUREBLUEINBAMA on Feb 24, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I For One
would feel the same way – IF – I thought they were “proudly wearing Kentucky blue and giving it their all for ALMOST 40 minutes every game” but I don’t see that. I don’t see the pride in putting on that uniform or they wouldn’t still be making the same mistakes, e.g. on the pick and roll that they were making in Hawaii.
This is the end-of-game performance
that we could have fairly expected in the first couple of weeks of the season. Not this far in.
A few observations after re-watching on DVR several times:
- The BK to DM “turnover” was a clear foul that contributed to the wayward pass. The official should have made that call.
- The no-calls on BK’s drive and put-back at the very end did not bother me too much. I would expect no-calls on those.
- The BK to DM pass that stays with me the most is not the “turnover”- but rather the pass that never happened. After making a sensational rebound of his own missed shot with a little over 4 seconds to go, BK put up another contested heave while DM stood wide open a few feet away. DM could have squared to the basket and got off a really good look. I realize he didn’t take the shot against Ole Miss (or whoever it was), but I am pretty confident that he would not have passed up this open look.
This team is so far away from being able to make the plays at the end of the games. And the most puzzling aspect is that they do not seem to be getting any closer with repeated opportunities.
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-- Tim | Lexington
"I watch (UK) every night... I am going to support them for the rest of my life. I'm a Wildcat for the rest of my life." -- JWall, 2/8/11
Road Woes
Yes they continued last night and there are lots of reasons as to why. Most,if not all,have been discussed above so there isn’t any need for me to list them. One thing for sure this team gives up HUGE,game changing plays when on the road. The reason for that? I really don’t know for sure. Youth is part of it but the vets have made mistakes too. The “no shot” by Miller against Ole Miss and Liggins has been T’d up twice on the road. Last night Harrellson had a double-double but how many more rebounds went off his hands,usually out of bounds? But I will also stand by my opinion that fatique is a factor caused by a ultra-thin bench. Will playing on a neutral court help come post season? Not sure. That depends on where they are playing and who they are facing. They are going to be a fairly poor seed and with the way the NCAA likes to put higher seeds close to home it’s possible they could be playing a “road game” against a very good team. That could be lights out.
Sadly, I don't think it is fatigue
UK had four, full days off. Rotnei Clark played 44 minutes and Powell registered 39. They did not look tired. Sadly.
No matter where you're at, there you are
The Unclutchables
I think it is reasonable to assume a loss to Tennessee…..
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by btcoop71 on Feb 24, 2011 8:19 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
2nd for the same reason
3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.
This team is not getting better
and is not going to get better. After 27 games, they are who they are. We could easily drop out of the top 25. We’re not even listed in ESPN’s Headlines this morning. Replaced by Cincinnati’s win over the Hoya’s, I suppose.
I agree with Cal that he has good players and that his team lacks something… toughness, a will to win, leadership…
If they ain’t got it by now; well, they probably ain’t ever gonna get it.
I’m done hoping. That left the building with those missed rebounds toward the end of regulation and that last errant pass when we were up by one, in OT.
No matter where you're at, there you are
This loss was the worst one for me.
I’m sure that is partly due to the cumulative effects of all the road losses,
BUT it is mostly due the the fact that this Arkansas team is so weak.
I can handle the loss to Alabama or to Georgia; they’re on the rise.
But if this UK team can lose to this Arkansas team, they can lose to most anybody.
I’m not giving up on them. I’ll watch every minute of every game they play.
But I am managing my expectations.
Most frustrating UK team.......
I think I"ve seen in the 31 years I’ve been watching. At least with BG’s teams I didn’t have very many expectations, but this team is Jekyl and Hyde at home and away. We know the talent is there and what they are capable of, but nobody is stoking the fire at all. They can stay on their feet for round after round, but just can’t deliver a knockout punch to save their lives!
Where was Doron Lamb? Why the hell was he sitting on the bench? 2 or 3 points from him is not acceptable at all! Also, yeah the refs sucked it up some but like Glenn said that’s going to happen and you have to play through it. Once again we had a chance to win it and just folded……….AGAIN! At the end of OT that ball should have been in Jorts’ or Miller’s hands IMO. Knight was whooped and you could tell it. I give him big kudos for playing so long with 4 fouls though.
As far as the post season I don’t believe neutral courts will help this team much. They just don’t have the confidence or inclination to win a close game wherever it is (except for Rupp). They’ll end up with maybe a 7 seed in the tournament and maybe make it to the second round. I’ll continue watching and rooting for them, but my expectations have dropped exponentially in the last few weeks.
This game was a killer and the worst time ever to give Pelphrey his first W against us. Like KSR I blame it on the curse of Eddie Sutton. Damn you Eddie! BTW, he looked really really bad!!!
Similar To 1979 Team
4 seniors to NBA off 1978 Cats replaced by 3 McDonalds A-A recruits.
The 79 team was very erratic.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 24, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
1979 Results
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statistics/1978-79.html I count 8 L in SEC play but some nice W over ranked opponents in OOC play. They “caught fire” in SECT until injury cost them.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 24, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, it is very similar
Looks like the ‘79 team was 11-8 in the conference. Good comparison forty! Most likely about where this team is going to end up…………….assuming they don’t start melting down at home too.
Yes
Need to W out for best possible seeding in SECT and NCAA.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 24, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I believe........
he was asking if you “expect” them to win out. No way they’re winning at TN. Not gonna happen.
freshman
No team in the country has done as well as the Cats starting 3 freshman. Last yrs team was a fluke in terms of winning with freshman. I believe our expectations were too high and without Kanter we do not have enough"beef". Also one can see that BN is really more of a shooting guard than a point guard. As great as he is, he is not physical as a point guard, nor does he handle the ball anything like John Wall( I am not being critical of BN-he is a team leader). He can change all that for next yr. We have a finesse team whereas last yr we had a physical team. I think we will beat Vandy and Fl at home, but Tennesse is up for grabs.
We have not started 3 freshman very many times.
We have started, most games, 2 juniors, 1 senior, and 2 freshmen. We really don’t have any excuses for our record.
It is a disappointment. I don’t see how Cal can be praised for this season. He isn’t a bum by any means, but this is not what anyone expected. If you don’t believe me, go back to the beginning of the season and read about the predicted 2-4 SEC losses (tops) even without Enes.
If that was most folks predictuion then, and there have been no injuries, how can you not call this utter disappointment. Unless we win the National Championship, we will be back to double digit losses and KU is gaining on the all time win list.
In honor of your quote Glenn
I’m sorry, but I have to be honest — that’s what this game was, an epic fail by inches. The failure is so complete and comprehensive not in the context of the entire game, but in the minutiae that led to the defeat, that it is very much like being killed one centimeter at a time.

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@btcoop71
I am having a hard time being optimistic.
I was yesterday when the game began. UT winning gave us the chance to be #2 seed, win out and move into the NCAA on a roll. Losing to a very bland Ark team just sent me over the edge. I yelled and cursed at the TV this game more than any all year. I really really did not want to lose this game. This is such a disappointment. That’s just the way I feel.
3 TOUGH Games Left
UK could W or L all 3 games.
Must W all 3 for decent SECT; otherwise, 4 games in 4 days.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 24, 2011 9:49 AM EST reply actions
SECT
UK is 19-4 in the GA Dome, so it has historically been a good place for us. We’ve never played 4 in row there and won the tournament there though. Got the first round bye and won the three to win the tournament in ’95, ’98, ’99 and ’04. ’98 and ’99 being especially good years for us there because we went 9-0 in the SEC ( back to back SECT champs) and NCAA tourneys plus and extra win against GA Tech there in between. Ah, those are some good memories………
yeah, but
historically, we beat Ole Miss and Hogs…….let’s hope Catlanta is good to us.
by bigbill992001 on Feb 24, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think we played 4 in 4 days and lost in the championship to Florida one year.
Just to support your point. Playing 4 in 4 days is not the best way to go. Besides, I can’t afford to miss 2 days of work.
Where's the love?
Last night’s loss broke my heart, but imagine the spirits of the players themselves. We cannot give up on them and regardless of the outcomes of the next 3 games and tourneys, we gotta keep the love!
by PUREBLUEINBAMA on Feb 24, 2011 10:04 AM EST reply actions
Oh, we love them Pureblue just flustrated
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by KansasUKCat on Feb 24, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
right, Kansas
I don’t think many people have given up, but the confidence is fading fast.
by bigbill992001 on Feb 24, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Ok folks
Time to get off the ledge. “Epic fail by inches”? Good grief. It was a tough loss no question but I wouldn’t call it epic. Not with a team that has seen loss after loss like this. Epic would have been if this team were undefeated and number 1 in the country then lose that way. Was I upset and disappointed?? Of course. I am a UK fan. Was I surprised? Not at all. This is,like it or not,a young team and a thin team. No question Knight,Lamb and Jones are VERY talented…but….they are freshman. Miller,Liggins and Harrellson are good players….but 3+3=6…meaning only 6 players see PT. So Cal has matchup problems because of this. I’m not going to make excuses….like blaming it on the refs or “everybody plays great against us every game”..sorry I can’t buy those. This is a team under the circumstances has done pretty well. I wasn’t expecting a FF run with this group even though at times they play like a FF team. I can look forward to next years team with who is coming in and who I think we will have coming back (Knight,Lamb…I hope..,Miller and Liggins). Yes it’s hard to lose…especially close games to teams we should beat badly…but things could be a heck of a lot worse. All you have to do is look south to the land of orange.
amen...
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by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yep you're right maysville - I had the Vol's penciled in for the final four in December
Now they are on the thin plus side of the bubble – who would had thunk it..?
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
by KansasUKCat on Feb 24, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
It should be noted
That this Arkansas team isn’t as horrible as many of you guys are making them out to be. They aren’t Auburn or LSU, at the very least. Arkansas has beating Tennessee, Florida, Vanderbilt, and now Kentucky. I’m not sure if any other team can make that claim in the SEC; Alabama lost to Vandy and still has to play Florida. It’s a very, very, very streaky team this Hogs. So there is that, at the least.
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Correct - I remember watching the game against Vandy and thought - damn don't look bad
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by KansasUKCat on Feb 24, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Look at how open Jorts was

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@btcoop71
Yeah wide open...
but look at the clock…1.8. Not a lot of time to think. To me there were countless plays before this one that sealed our fate. We all can rehash and rehash this play…this game..this season…but it won’t change a thing. Of course it’s good medicine to come here and talk about it all. I know it is for me and my wife loves it because she doesn’t have to listen to it as much like she has for 22 years. I get it all out on here.
by maysvilleblue on Feb 24, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
i had the initial reaction as you...
however, his point maybe that it should have gone directly into harrelson…
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by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
That's not that wide open, either.
For one, your fella isn’t in a good passing position, and the defense has excellent no-passing form. What if the ball gets kicked? Then you have to run an inbounds play that will likely not get you as good a look as you had. Then there’s the guy fronting Jorts, who had position to jump a pass unless it was perfect, and to be perfect and to keep it away from the defender behind Harrelson it would have had to be low, which there wasn’t time for.
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Bobo, I agree that he's not going to be open now.
The defender just in front of him is moving to cover the passing lane. The pass that should have been to him (if any) was the in-bounds pass.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
Josh
He was pretty much open on the offensive end all night, but he is clearly not one of our go-to scoring options. When Josh was in the game and when we were on the offensive end we were essentially playing 4 on 5. The opponent doesn’t even guard him and really why would they? He doesn’t take the shot (maybe he is afraid too) so why bother.
And to be truthful and to stick up for Brandon a bit here, but, I don’t know that I would have passed to him either. One, because of the aforementioned hesitation to shoot the ball I don’t have a ton of faith in his offensive game, and two I just sort of assumed that Brandon was specifically told by Cal to do something specific and that didn’t include Josh.
yes...
he told him to hit the game winner… :)
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by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
ha. : )
Really, though, Knight missed. It sucks to be Knight. But, I would much rather have the ball in Knight’s hands in this type of situation.
No, he didn’t make it this time, but next time, and unless Harrellson is all alone right under the basketball, I would go right back to him as he is always our best offensive option, IMO. I have offensive confidence in Knight.
absolutely...
reversion to the mean has to result in us winning one of these close ones…
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by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
You know I was kidding, right?
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
DAMN, misplaced!!
This was to BSC after my “cute” comment about her offensiveness, or lack thereof.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
I don't think either you
or your confidence are offensive, BSC. I like you.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
It's not Knight's fault he got the ball in a bad spot
My point is, based on the set up of the play and how Arkansas defended it, Jorts was a better option.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
Granted, the game should have been won in regulation....
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
or 30 seconds earlier
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
or 11 seconds earlier....
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
double true

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
According to Cal in the postgame
The final play was drawn up with Jones going to the hole, Jorts to the block and BK outside. Three options with the interior being preferred. Liggins ignored the interior and fed Knight.
What you see is what you get...
Home Record: 13-0 (100% Wins)
Neutral Site Record: 4-1 (80% Wins)
Away Record: 2-7 (28.57% Wins)
Away games left: 1 (< 30% chance of a win))
Home Games left: 2 (Good chance to win both)
Neutral Site Games Left: ? ( 4-1 odds on winning the next one, but improving odds with each subsequent win)
I like our chances…(somewhat)…So I’m not giving up on this team, just yet!!!
Improving odds with each subsequent win?
How in the world do you get that going deeper in a tournament ever equates to easier wins?
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Your choice..
whether to see the glass half-empty, mine is to see the glass half full. But you would have to agree that with any new win at a neutral site, that the winning percentage at those sites would increase. The most neutral site losses that we could have from here on out is two. However the most such wins could be 10. The losses may come in the next two neutral games, or not! Fair enough..I do agree that the competition will get increasing better as we go forward and the sample size is smaller for neutral site games..but, I’m trying to find something to base my optimism on…so please don’t rain on my paltry parade!!
This bunch
You notice I didn’t use team. Is not playing as good as they did earlier. Would hate to face UofL again now. I know most of you don’t want to here this but, it all comes down to coaching. Cal can rant,cuss and tell us that they aren’t doing what he tells them. The end result belongs to him.
I'm not blaming Cal
Not in the least. I would blame him if they were getting blown out instead of losing close. Losing close is more about execution or lack thereof IMO.
by maysvilleblue on Feb 24, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
A couple of images that stand out to me...

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I guess we know who the above play with 12.4 seconds was not being designed for….
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I think Miller could have gained some redemption from the Ole Miss game if given this open look with 4.6 left. That’s actually quite a lot of time.
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This team is really not any closer to being on the “same page” than it was back when BBN was so high on them after the exhibition games in Canada and the early season wins over the smaller schools.
And the above pictures do not show problems with coaching, in my opinion. In the first photo Cal is obviously coaching, isn’t he? And in the second picture, it just comes down to the players. The players have to trust one another, and make the choice between an open look and a desperation heave with 4.6 seconds left on the clock.
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-- Tim | Lexington
"I watch (UK) every night... I am going to support them for the rest of my life. I'm a Wildcat for the rest of my life." -- JWall, 2/8/11
by HSLex on Feb 24, 2011 12:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Great screen shots there!
If only Knight would have recognized Miller’s position there. He’s right at the free throw line with an opportunity to take that one handed floater he’s so good at. Arkansas was fully expecting Knight to take that last shot and it was a great opportunity for him to exploit that. As oldcat said, I think that does fall back to coaching because it seemed obvious Cal was adamant about Knight taking the game winner.
That picture of Jones
just about covers his attitude all the time. He’s too soft to go to the rim and take the punishment and would rather stand out front and shoot threes.
+1
Absolutely! I almost jump right through my tv everytime he takes a 3 or forces it up weakly inside. He’s got talent but he makes a lot of questionable choices. Attitude does you no good when it’s bad……
slidemark
I cringe every time TJ or JH take a 3. They took 1 ea. this game, not too bad, but it’s still 2 lost possessions. Let the guys that MAKE 3s shoot the 3.
by bigbill992001 on Feb 24, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
i remembering seeing that picture of jones live...
made me think he had checked out….
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by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Me, too, I had the same thought when I saw that during the game.
I have not checked this for sure, but it seems to me that when Jones plays badly, so does Kentucky. Blame anyone else you want, but we seem to be able to compensate for their off game, but when Jones fails, Kentucky fails.
And I am frankly confused by how frequently he goes for the basket only to be denied. I don’t know what he fails to do, but players half his size can take him out of his game. I know Cal calls it lack of toughness, but I don’t know what specifically that translates to.
by StillCatwoman on Feb 24, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
SC
it doesn’t get any softer in the NBS………….be advised , TJ
by bigbill992001 on Feb 24, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Checked out?
Did he ever get off the bus? Last night was the worst Jones has played in a UK uniform. He stunk up the gym the entire game. He was slow of foot and never mentally in the game at all. I know the kid can play, cause I’ve seen him, but last night he was AWOL.
That's all easy to say...
and everything you said makes perfect sense. The pictures show it but unfortunately the players can’t hit the pause button so they can take a better look at the options. We had a disussion earlier on here about who we would want to take “the last shot” and Knight was the overwhelming choice. It’s hard for me to complain about Knight in this instance because he played a pretty darn good game. I think he is a wonderful talent and in no way can I blame him for this loss. Like I have said before there were countless plays before this one where lots of blame could be laid. They should have never been in that position pictured above to begin with. Just my opinion.
by maysvilleblue on Feb 24, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I don't blame Knight
He did what he was told to do. BUT you also need the option to pass the ball to the open man if you don’t have a good shot. I think he was told to take the shot no matter what. The blame isn’t on him if he’s not given another option.
Trust
It was said that at this point Cal doesn’t trust this team to finish out a game like. Totally understandable why, but very questionable how you couldn’t have a backup plan considering everybody in the whole stadium and watching on tv knew Knight was probably going to take the shot. Sometimes you have to be creative and I just don’t think Cal was last night. The most logical option is not always the best.
Wow, did not realize that you were in the coach's huddle to hear him tell BK to ignore his teammates and take the shot.
I would have guessed that Cal told Knight to make something happen by shooting or passing.
I'm not disagreeing at all
And I don’t know if he was told to shoot and not pass. I often wonder how many plays designed on the sidelines in the closing seconds actually go completely as diagramed. All I am saying is it’s easy to look at a still photo the day after and ask “why didn’t he do this or that?”.
by maysvilleblue on Feb 24, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I know......
Just a lot of frustration. And you’re right, it’s easy to look at and criticize when in reality it’s a split second decision.
We are all frustrated
And I don’t think I have ever been told I was right on here before :-)
by maysvilleblue on Feb 24, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Maysville, the answer, based on playing a lot of
basketball, is “damned few.” I have never known or played for a coach that would get mad if you passed up a well-defended shot to get to a teammate that is a) open, and b) shoots well. Contrary to what some of my fellow senior citizens say, coaching is not always the problem. It’s execution!!!!!!!!
And, the last time I checked, Coach Cal wasn’t on the floor at 4.6 left.
Having said all that, these kids who play a lot of AAU ball have been conditioned to think that they are the be-all, do-all, end-all God’s gifts to the world. Is there any surprise that they try unreasonable shots (even though there was a foul in this case) to win games???
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
Oldcat
You hit on something mentioning AAU. I agree with the way it “conditions” players. I also look at it this way. I don’t think players on an AAU team really care if they win the game or not. They know it’s all about making somebody … college coaches and NBA scouts especially…notice them and their talents. The final score doesn’t matter. I will take it a step further by asking if some freshman…including the ones on this team…see playing the one year as just another stop along the way to the NBA? Does winning really matter to them or is this just another way to get noticed? Again I’m just asking.
by maysvilleblue on Feb 25, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
If you are truly in it for yourself and signing to be a "One and Done" as your total goal
Then yes I’ll say in the affirmative that is the most important factor for these types. Isn’t that why some have signed with Cal because of the DDMO being an offense that can showcase an individuals skills.
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
by KansasUKCat on Feb 25, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I would say yes
Plus he has a pretty good track record in getting players ready for the NBA in only one year. I asked another question very early this season. Does the DDMO make it harder to play as a team since it relies on players showcasing their individual skills? I don’t know… I’m just askin’.
by maysvilleblue on Feb 25, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
IMO it's not a tradition offense
This web site offers the basics on the offense and is interesting. This is a quote from the site:
“You need four perimeter players who can handle the ball and attack the seams 1-on-1 with dribble-penetration and then finish, and who can also catch-and-shoot the 3-point shot effectively”.
http://www.coachesclipboard.net/DribbleDriveMotionOffense.html
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
Very interesting site
I’m not sold on the DDMO yet. The only thing I know is this team is one of the best shooting teams I have seen at UK in a long time. I just don’t know if Cal,or the DD,takes full advantage of that. Thanks for the site though.
by maysvilleblue on Feb 25, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
What does "blame" have to do with it?
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It is just about making plays late. Including split-second decisions. And it is on the whole team, not just BK.
The BK screenshot isn’t the “last shot”, it is after his rebound of his own miss. I really doubt there were any instructions from Cal to BK of “take every shot from now until the end of the game”.
BK is a great player and I think had a very good game. No one is blaming him for anything. But he is conceivably only 5 games away from having to fight for playing time on a NBA team… presumably at the PG position.
These guys all need to make good basketball plays. Coach Cal is not on the court.
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-- Tim | Lexington
"I watch (UK) every night... I am going to support them for the rest of my life. I'm a Wildcat for the rest of my life." -- JWall, 2/8/11
Bottom line.......
…….is we haven’t seen one single end of game play work this year. Not one. Whether it’s the coaching or the players, it’s not working.
The other bottom line
is that we have had good looks and opportunities in those games, but we just didn’t make the plays. What is a coach supposed to do, exchange one good look for another?
It comes down to the players. These guys are future NBA players, not the cast from Hoosiers.
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-- Tim | Lexington
"I watch (UK) every night... I am going to support them for the rest of my life. I'm a Wildcat for the rest of my life." -- JWall, 2/8/11
Hey, Plumb could shoot!!!
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
The scond screen shot makes me want to punch things
Give me Miller wide open at the top of the key with 4+ seconds left with a shot at redemption every f**king day……
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scond is swahili for second
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
Jones
I went off when I saw that shot of Jones leaving the huddle when Cal was still talking. He is a pouter, plain and simple. I know he is a good ball player. I know he is projected in the top ten lottery pick for the NBA draft, but honestly I JUST DONT SEE IT. I see a spoiled bratty child that pouts when things arent going his way. He may go high in the draft as a lottery pick, but he will be eaten alive in the NBA.
"Tink"
by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 24, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
WOW!
I didn’t remember him being THAT wide open.
by bigbill992001 on Feb 24, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
HSLex
Miller appears to be asking for the ball. I think he learned his lesson from the FL game.
by bigbill992001 on Feb 25, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yep
But do you mean the Ole Miss game, maybe?
I think you’re right, though. And even if Miller passes up the open shot again (which I would highly doubt), with 4.6 on the clock he even has time to swing it over to Liggins who is also wide open. So that is two wide open shots, there.
But who knows, maybe BK didn’t have the chance to see Miller at all, or maybe he thought the clock was much lower than 4.6 seconds. There are defensive guys there to double-team him, so maybe in the split-second he had to decide what to do- he just put up the contested shot instead of risking a pass with the double-team on him. Hard to say.
It is not all about just BK, anyway. In the closing stanza there are five guys out there in Blue who can step up and make a good basketball plays together…. in theory, at least.
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-- Tim | Lexington
"I watch (UK) every night... I am going to support them for the rest of my life. I'm a Wildcat for the rest of my life." -- JWall, 2/8/11
the more I look at that pic of TJ, the more it disturbs me
guess there’s no doubt about who/what he’s playing for.
by bigbill992001 on Feb 25, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
In fairness to TJ
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Polson isn’t looking at the clipboard, either.
And that Polson kid just has that “bad apple” look to him….. ;-)
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-- Tim | Lexington
"I watch (UK) every night... I am going to support them for the rest of my life. I'm a Wildcat for the rest of my life." -- JWall, 2/8/11
Jarod knew he wasn't getting PT in those 12.4 secs. ;-)
But he could have at least payed more attention to the strategy instead of the cheerleaders. ’-)
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
i don't know
i was there and the cheerleaders were pretty damned good lookin! ;) don’t be hatin on Polson for checking the lil ladies out! hahaha
I have kleptomania,
but when it gets bad,
I take something for it.
No way!
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Polson is a smart kid… he might as well take advantage of the “surroundings” as long as possible… I thought I saw somewhere where he joins Knight in getting 4.0 GPAs.
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-- Tim | Lexington
"I watch (UK) every night... I am going to support them for the rest of my life. I'm a Wildcat for the rest of my life." -- JWall, 2/8/11
I must be getting old because I don't remember glancing once at the cheerleaders:-(
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
LOL
Come on, Kansas, you’re not THAT old. Pretty girls are always worth a look. ;)
by bigbill992001 on Feb 25, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
HS
It’s to late to teach young men at the game. The real coaching takes place every day in practice. He can draw up anything he wants. They need to know how to execute it.
Ugh
Didn’t watch the game until this morning. Wish I had checked the score first so my day wouldn’t have started off so crappy.
Came away with this thought: this team does not relish the opportunity to pursue greatness; they are afraid of failing and play tighter than the bark on a tree.
For myself, my huge expectations for them do not do them any favors, but I wish they could just look in the mirror and say to themselves: we are a great basketball team; let’s go have some fun and show the world how good we really are and just win baby!
Their home record versus their road record indicates they just don’t have what it takes between the ears.
C’mon man!
by BluebloodinNaptown on Feb 24, 2011 1:01 PM EST reply actions
arkansas
This has probably already been posted but——————— the problem is - Darius Miller isnt playing like an experienced junior, personally I dont think he will ever be more than a role player, nothing wrong with that, we just think he is better than he really is. Terence is the one that is not realizing his potential, he actually is almost a nonfacter when away from home and eI very team is cranked up when we play at their place.
I still think we will have a good SEC tournament showing. .
A lot of bad mouthing Cal, I have been at this many years and never will I forget the futility of Billy G. and Tubby.
uh oh....
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by memphis wildcat on Feb 24, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Terrence a non-factor
That’s not right. TJ, prior to this game, averaged 20 ppg in UK’s six SEC road losses, by a long way the leading scorer for UK on the road.
Give this team some love
A lot of you are getting whiney. i know you are frustrated but give the players and coach a break. I am sure no one is more frustrated than they are. This team needs some encouragement. I think of Rick Pitino’s first team and all the cheering and screaming by the fans to provide encouragement because we all knew the team needed help. This team is a bit undermaned. Yet they play well most of the time and with courage. So get out there and cheer! If we want any of these freshman to stick around,provide less criticism and more love!!!
Whatever transpired last evening Brandon Knight was the Man
He was the only player on the team that showed true heart and no fear. He has made great strides this year becoming a good to great college point guard. We just don’t have anybody that can adequately give him a spell at his position. Great game Brandon – you gave you’re all.
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
Fouling the 3 point shooter, TO, then a technical foul
End of game right there. I immediately thought after giving up the lead there that the boys had their excuse-to-lose now, and thus the loss was coming. Before that I thought they had held things together pretty good and they’d even built a small lead when that sequence gave them their “out”. They really didn’t have to bust their butts now because they had their excuse to lose.
This team is really missing some toughness/joy of winning/competitiveness or whatever. I know Coach Cal has been busy trying to find “it”, but “it” still isn’t there.
I am always amazed
At how many people know what players are thinking, how they feel, and how much of their maximum available effort they are expending each game.
3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.
I have to tell you,
this sounds really snotty.
People are just speculating and thinking out loud here. Isn’t that the point of the blog?
by BigSkyCat on Feb 24, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not meant to be snotty
But I disagree that people are speculating. They are making declarative statements. Speculating is more like “given X, Y, and Z, maybe Knight didn’t see Miller was open” or something like that.
3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.
I think it's the internet factor.
Some people just have a hard time expressing themselves on blogs.
It’s hard to determine intent without the benefit of facial expression or tone, and I guess I’m trying to give people the benefit of the doubt here what with the painful loss last night at Arkansas.
The internet factor obviously came into play with my interpretations of your above statement. To me it came off very un-accepting of what people had written here and if people don’t feel that their thoughts are valid, but rather are being scoffed at it’s possible that they will stop commenting all together and I think that would be a bad thing. We don’t want to scare people off.
Also, if you had a problem or disagreement with what someone had written I would think the best way to discuss that would be a direct reply. Blanket comments like the one above are really rather confusing.
What I don't like is when people say things without a shred of evidence to back it up
You want to say Knight was selfish to take the last shot instead of passing it to Miller? That’s perfectly fine so long as you have some reasonable basis for the “selfish” part of that statement.
I wasn’t replying to you specifically, but to the dozens of comments I read in this PM (and others over the season) of the form “Player X is selfish/doesn’t get it/isn’t a team player/doesn’t try hard” that people constantly make without any kind of support.
Actually, your reading of my original comment is a perfect example of what I don’t like when similar things are made about players. You took something I wrote, infused it with your own intent/tone and then ascribed that intent/tone to me. People do the same thing to the players except there’s no back and forth to clarify things as there is between you and I.
3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.
This is a fair point ...
… and a constant annoyance to me as well.
Nobody knows what Calipari’s intentions were but him to the extent he hasn’t made them public. Imputing motivations or thoughts to players is at very best rank speculation.
I don’t understand why people do it, let alone put it forth as affirmative knowledge. But that’s just the nature of the medium, I suppose.
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constant annoyance.
Sorry fellas, but this is sort of funny to me. Clearly you two don’t have kids if this kind of thing is a constant annoyance. : )
What you are essentially doing is complaining about how people express their fandom.
This season it tough enough for us UK fans without us fighting amongst ourselves. Complaining about how fans express themselves is just downright silly. As long as no one is calling the players nasty names, and no one here has done that, I don’t get all the angst towards what was discussed here.
I don't have kids. That's a fact.
And maybe you’ve just explained why. :-)
Expressions of fandom needn’t be reason-free, wouldn’t you agree?
And far be it from me to fight with anyone. Expressing annoyance with clearly flawed statements is hardly provocative, and I don’t agree with you that it is silly to say so.
Just as most of us dislike excessive negativisim, it is, in it’s essence, the same thing. But it annoys us, and we say so. This is no different.
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by Glenn Logan on Feb 24, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
JL
Why are we here anyway? I thought the reason fo ASoB was to cuss and discuss the cats. Sorry you don’t like our humble opinions.
Heh
Cuss and discuss……….I like that oldcat! This is a great place to vent. I love the people here because blogs like KSR are full of empty, mindless comment about pretty much nothing. I found this site back in 2007 and have been following it every since. I’ve been mostly a reader but when the going gets rough for the Cats I find this kind of banter very calming and refreshing………..geez, I sound like a soft drink commercial. Anyway, I like all the different opinions even if I dont’ agree with them, and I think this is a good way to get all that bad stress out without drinking yourself silly after losses like this……….lol.
Opinions are fine
So long as there is something there to support them with.
3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.
Can't we all just get along??
Sorry…was waiting for an opportunity to one day post that on here.
by maysvilleblue on Feb 24, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
JL
Your statement above “opinions are fine so long as there is something to support them” does not make sense. :-) My and other peoples opinions are just that. OPINIONS- they don’t need or require backing up with evidence and charts.
You don't need charts or graphs or any of that
But if you think someone is selfish or whatnot, it should be based on something
3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.
Some very bad mental mistakes
……..certainly don’t help. Also, the three point shooting was horrendous. They looked like last year’s team against WV, and they are a much better perimeter shooting team than last year. 3-19 is waaaaaaaaaaay off their average. Lamb’s benching due to lack of defense really hurt. If Lamb gets double the minutes he got last night, Knight and Miller get more of a breather and maybe fresher legs to hit more of those threes. It’s another possible factor anyway……….and yes, I am just speculating. Helps me stay sane 8^ )
OK, Gang, I'm dragging out the same old drum.
Some teams overachieve given their apparent talent level (‘58, ’66, ’03, etc, etc). Some teams underachieve (’70, ‘10, perhaps ’11-and before you ask, I consider a team with five first-round NBA picks to have underachieved if they don’t win the NC). The difference, in my somewhat less than humble opinion, is chemistry. Some teams have it, some don’t.
Why is that, you may ask. Personally, I think there are three factors. First, some critical element(s) is/are lacking. To the point at hand, I think, for the current team, missing are a true point guard, a true “back-to-the-basket” center, and an in-your-face team leader.
Second is a complete trust in each other. You’ve all heard me decry the AAU system before. It teaches kids to trust themselves rather than their teammates.
Finally, this team, in some of its players, lacks an attitude that leads them to give it all for each other. Call it love, call it respect, call it whatever you will, but it just ain’t there. And it’s not the same as trust. I have trusted a lot of people who I didn’t care for at all. I could depend on them doing their job; I just wouldn’t give everything I had for them.
Unless we see a turnaround, this team may have only one or two more wins. With a catylyst to improve the chemistry, perhaps several more.
Caveat: None of the above is meant to disparage any of the young men on the current team. They are who they are: products of their respective environments. They are surely as frustrated as we are, as is Coach Cal.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
Oh, yeah, GO CATS!!!
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
Riddle me this, then.
Why do they play so well at home. Seriously, there should not be this much difference.
If you trust your teammate at home, are you trying to tell me that you will not trust him on the road? At home, they share the ball and seem very much in sync with each other. On the road, they don’t.
I think you have introduced a complex series of explanations for something that is likely much simpler. What that something is, I really don’t know for sure, but it could be something as simple as a fear of losing. They are confident at home, fearful and tentative on the road. We were not complaining about missing elements on Saturday.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
I don't have a fer-shur answer,
‘cause I just have opinions like everyone else. But, my opinion is that the Rupp effect is really on the other team, and the visiting effect is on us. Having several thousand people yell at you like you were the devil incarnate can affect confidence. Haven’t looked at it, but how many close games have we won at Rupp?
I certainly wasn’t at any of the Fabulous Five games (after all, I was just a year old!!), but from reports I’ve heard, they were very business-like all the time, with no noticeable effect when they were on the road. Maybe it came from WWI and the Greatest Generation experiences they shared. But I think this current crop doesn’t have that cold-blooded confidence unless they’ve got 24,000 insane supporters covering their sixes.
What other explanation is there? I’m not insinuating that there’s not another; I just can’t think of one. As in Hoosiers, the rims are the same height, the FT lines the same distance away, and, presumably, all the 3-pt lines are 20’9".
I don’t know, I really don’t. I’m just speculating.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
Woops, WWII.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
To further undermine my own
arguments, why did John Wall single-handedly win several road games last year at the last second? Didn’t he play AAU? I don’t know; I just don’t know.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
Just speculation
but John Wall was almost a once-in-a-lifetime combination of skill, athleticism, confidence, and cold blooded competitiveness.
Right, jdog, and we got spoiled,
as we have been many times through the years. Sometimes our expectations are unreasonable. If we won every close game, nobody else ever would against us. ’Tis a puzzlement.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
Fair enough.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Glenn Logan on Feb 24, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, yeah,
the possible explanations are really not a series. Any one of them can prove the critical link on a given night.
The terminology is reversed, but it’s like a circuit in series rather than parallel. Any failure in a series is critical. A failure in parallel certainly changes the values, but may not totally fail the circuit.
Now, on the outside chance that what I said is correct, it would be all I remember from two EE courses during my time at UK, one taught by an Indian and one by a prof from Taiwan. I didn’t understand but about three words from either of them.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
What the hell did I just type?
Honest, I only had one glass of wine with dinner.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
Maybe its because at home
First the whole team plays much more relaxed at home and secondly they never have the games “get close down in crunch time”.
If you mirrored this game at home I wonder if the outcome would have been the same…?
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
I Like "Apparent" Level Of Talent
1966, for EG. They were 15-10 the year before and 13-13 the year after.
But Riley and Damper were supremely talented. Ditto Conley and Kron. Add a C (Jaracz) and 6th man (Tallent) and voila!
27-2 and NCAA runner-up.
But 2003 was quite a talented team. Bogans, Hayes, Azubuike, Daniels, Fitch all made NBA. They surely did experience kind of magic like 1996 team did.
by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 24, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Forty, I agree with everything you said
except one: Cliff Berger was the sixth man. Jaracz had the least PT of any starter and Cliff had the most PT of the bench guys. Bob Tallent and I were friends; we walked from drafting class to his varsity practice every day, and he remains as good a shooter as I ever saw, but he was not the sixth man on that team. Perhaps he should/could have been; arguably his great shooting touch in practice (look at his game percentages) could have helped against Texas Western, but he wasn’t generally the first in. Of course, with a rotation of just barely over five guys, nobody else but the starters played much.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
unlucky?
just a note to the bettors. this team ranks 329 (out of 345) in a kenpom.com statistic called “luck”. the factor is based on how well a team’s record matches how well a team plays (from purely a statistical standpoint). if this team’s “luck” ever changes, some of these type of road losses will turn to road wins.
that is… if their head doesn’t explode first.
mostdiggity
by Thomas Mario Adams III on Feb 25, 2011 1:54 AM EST reply actions

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