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Kentucky Wildcats Basketball -- Offense at the Quarter mark: Part 2

The Kentucky Wildcats have now played 8 games, which brings us through 25% of the regular season. They've played a variety of opponents from both small conferences and large and are coming off their biggest game against the toughest opponent they will face this season (at least until a road game at Florida anyway).

That makes this a good time to take an in-depth look at where the team is collectively on offensive and defensive and how the players are doing individually in those areas. In Part 1 we looked at how the returnees are progressing from last season. In Part 2 we'll look at how the freshman are starting off their college careers.

On Wednesday and Thursday we'll look at defense which will include composite DSS results.

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One thing I need to clarify: if anyone has a subscription to KenPom you'll notice that his player stats are slightly different from what I have here. These numbers all come from Statsheet.com. The difference is due to offensive rebounds, somehow KP and SS get slightly different numbers and without getting into gory details, that difference trickles down into the calculations for possessions which in turn affects things like ORtg and TO%. I'm not sure why this is the case, but my hypothesis is that because Statsheet auto-updates within a few hours of games being completed, they are getting a box score that is not finalized. Since KP updates everything the next day, he is getting the finalized box score. The differences are noticeable and I wanted to clear up any potential confusion.

On to the freshman! Since we don't have previous seasons to use, in a couple cases I've included some lines for other players who are interesting comparisons for these players.

Player M% ORtg POS% SH% eFG% OR% A% TO% FTR FT% 2P% 3P%
John Wall 83.9 108.8 27.2 23.4 50.3 2.6 34.8 24.2 52.9 75.4 50.9 32.5
Brandon Knight 89.3 107.8 26.7 26.2 50.8 2.1 23.4 19.8 33.3 79.5 46.1 37.7
Marquis League 75.3 97.1 21.1 19.5 49.3 1.8 22.2 25.5 29.1 52.4 47.2 36.8

Marquis Teague of course gets compared to the other 2 great point guards UK has had under Coach Calipari. The comparison is not quite fair to Teague since these are the season numbers for John Wall and Brandon Knight, but they are still instructive. Teague has a ways to go before he is on the same level as these two, but we are coming up on the December period of no class and lots of practice and I think we can expect to see a lot of improvement during this period. He has already brought his turnovers down the last several games and his 3 point shooting is better than Wall and comparable to Knight. The assist rate is low compared to Wall, but pretty much in line with what Knight did last year and as Marquis continues to learn to play with the great players around him I expect we'll see that trend upward. Marquis hasn't needed to control the game to the extent the other two did and I think ultimately that will benefit him. This is a great team and Teague should get some credit for helping distribute the basketball even if it isn't showing up in his assists.

Player M% ORtg POS% SH% eFG% OR% A% TO% FTR FT% 2P% 3P%
DeAndre Liggins (Jr) 78.7 106.6 15.9 15.3 49.2 2.1 14.1 17.4 39.8 64.8 44.2 39.1
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist 73.4 105.1 21.6 19.2 51.4 8.1 8.4 23.3 50.7 74.3 50.9 35.7

The player Michael Kidd-Gilchrist is compared to all the time is DeAndre Liggins and coming back into the UNC game after dislocating a shoulder isn't going to end those comparisons - that's the kind of thing Liggins would have done. MKG's offensive game still has room to grow - his shot mechanics have been mentioned by more than one person (his jump shot reminds me of Wayne Turner) but really there is a lot to like here. Even with the mechanics issue, he's shooting better from the line and the field than Liggins did as a junior and his offensive rebounding is terrific from this position. Liggins was better at passing the ball, but he was also nominally a point guard coming out of high school so that's not surprising and DeAndre also was very good at protecting the ball last year. Kidd-Gilchrist needs to learn to harness his style of play on the offensive end as a lot of his turnovers come from getting himself in trouble (charges and such). If he can cut down on the silly turnovers and hold back on jump shots early in a possession, he'll become a real offensive force.

Player M% ORtg POS% SH% eFG% OR% A% TO% FTR FT% 2P% 3P%
A. Davis 68.7 121.8 19.5 17.2 67.2 11.7 7.1 15.7 63.7 54.1 70.9 0.0

I don't have a good comp for Anthony Davis (any ideas out there?). Really, there isn't anyone like him in the last 8 years. Ken Pomeroy's player comparison tool lists his closest freshman comps as Gorgui Deng (2011) at Louisville and Jarvis Varnado (2007) at Mississippi St but neither are close - the match is 809 for Deng and 790 for Varnado (900 or above is considered a "good" comparison). Davis really is unique. He needs to touch the ball a bit more on offense - shooting 70.9% on twos is outstanding and he does not turn the ball over. His free throw shooting needs some work, but you knew that already. He is getting to the line at a terrific rate though and even at 54.1% from the line he is generating points. Davis has the ability to be even better on the offensive boards, and you should check out this post by Josh Riddell at The Mikan Drill where he takes a closer look at how Davis can improve in that area.

Player M% ORtg POS% SH% eFG% OR% A% TO% FTR FT% 2P% 3P%
K. Wiltjer 35.9 108.5 22.1 26.2 47.8 8.7 9.1 15.5 19.5 77.8 51.6 26.7

I also couldn't think of an interesting comp for Kyle Wiltjer. Ken Pomeroy has Sam Young (2007) at Pittsburgh as his top comparison and interestingly Harrison Barnes shows up 5th on the list although none of them are strong comparisons (though at 872 and 851 respectively they are better than anyone who shows up for Anthony Davis). Wiltjer's offense is just fine for a freshman big. He shoots quite well from the line and inside the arc and his 3P% is low, but it's just on 15 shots: if he was 6-15 instead of 4-15 he'd be an outstanding 40% (small sample size!). Wiltjer has been good at the non-shooting areas too: his 9.1% Assist Rate is pretty good for a big guy, he doesn't turn the ball over, and his 8.7% Offensive rebound % is not bad for a player who spends a lot of time on the perimeter. He's not shy about taking shots either as you can see by his 26.2 SH% - that leads the team by a healthy margin. Wiltjer is the closest thing this team has to a ball hog!

Like all freshmen these guys have areas of their game where they need to work. But the early results are very encouraging and do nothing to dampen the sky-high expectations the fans have for the season. With classes coming to and end and more time available for practice this month, I think we will really start to see considerable improvement in these areas.

Thanks for reading!

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Another thought on Davis and rebounding,

he has only been at his current height for a couple of years. Prior to that he was perimeter oriented. He really hasn’t spent a lot of time in the paint, learning how to claim his space. Anybody that make the split second decision he made to save the UNC game can pick up the finer points of blocking out. I think you will need to periodically follow up on improvement of critical weaknesses shown by some of the players. That would be very good for following their growth progress.

I am all for people expressing their opinions, as long as they back them up with facts.

by kywineman on Dec 6, 2011 9:42 PM EST reply actions  

I plan to follow up

One of the reasons I wanted to put this together was so that I could also do an update before SEC play began (~halfway mark), halfway through conference play (~3/4 mark) and at the end of the regular season so that we could see how things changed over time.

And I agree with you on Davis – I’m sure he will get better at blocking out/rebounding. The basketball IQ of this group has been remarked upon on a number of occasions, that should make improvement much easier for them.

1/x doesn't die, it just fades away.

by JLeverenz on Dec 6, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Great comment

Thanks for the link.

The height issue is something I definitely recognized and should have mentioned in the post. Combine his relative inexperience with playing close to the rim with his lack of time against players his size, it is completely understandable why Davis is not quite a dominant rebounder yet.

He is very good, which is outstanding considering some of the factors. If he works on creating contact on the box out, he can become a dominant rebounder with his athleticism. I believe he will get there sooner rather than later.

by JoshuaR on Dec 6, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Basketball IQ + Desire + Luck = championship

I am all for people expressing their opinions, as long as they back them up with facts.

by kywineman on Dec 6, 2011 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

Great stuff again

I rewatched the UNC game for a charting exercise I hope to get up in the next couple of days…here’s a couple quick takeaways with regards to your points.

- In the context of the offense, Teague actually played much better in the 2nd half than the 1st. Against the Tar Heels, he wasn’t a liability ball-handling…he just wasn’t a huge asset when it came to passing, either.

- Kidd-Gilchrist isn’t heavily involved in the offense at all, despite the high scoring percentage, which is a key difference between his and Liggins’ game right now. Liggins was more comfortable ball-handling on the perimeter and knocking down open 3’s, whereas MKG’s game is more suited to slashing inside and cleaning up around the basket.

- Davis spent quite a few possessions handling the ball at the top of the key. That makes sense, given his comfort level on the outside from years as a guard. He wasn’t a post entry threat at all. I think his two finishes around the basket were a lob and a basket cut.

- Wiltjer looks like he not only substitutes for Jones, he also takes over Jones’ ballhandling duties on the perimeter. Most of Kentucky’s plays start via a give and go or side to side passing with Jones involved. I actually think Kentucky’s offense might work better with Jones on the interior showing for post entry, but I understand why Calipari chose not to do so with Henson shadowing him all game.

by jc25 on Dec 7, 2011 8:55 AM EST reply actions  

I think what we are seeing in Teague

is a youthful transition into the role he must play for Coach Cal. Over time he will settle in to his reponsibilities. Some people are way over reacting to what he has done so far. The upcoming cup cakes will be good opportunity for him to ingrain new habits. Once the fundamentals are in place he has to step them up when he faces stronger opposition but at least then he knows exactly what he needs to do. We will see a lot of improvements in the young players with the added practices of the semester break.

I am all for people expressing their opinions, as long as they back them up with facts.

by kywineman on Dec 7, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Teague

Given what we all saw in the second half of the UNC game, I think Teague is going to be perfect for this team, this year. He’ll facilitate the offense, hope fully hit the open jumper, and is fast enough to be a driving threat if you play him too tight. In years past we’ve needed more of a scoring point guard, but with 5 strong offensive players on the court for 40 minutes (with the exception of maybe Vargas, but he seems to be coming along), Teague is just going to need to make smart basketball plays.

The most encouraging thing I saw during the UNC game was the second Lamb 3, where Teague passed up an open shot to give it to the hot hand.

The team has a long way to go to reach its potential, but your Q1 numbers show they are well on their way. Go Cats!

by UKFanStuckInDC on Dec 7, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool

Great observations jc – I’m looking forward to that charting piece!

1/x doesn't die, it just fades away.

by JLeverenz on Dec 7, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

One more thing

Even though Teague’s Assist Rate is lower than Wall and Knight, the team as a whole is assisting on the same percentage of baskets as Cal’s other recent teams have. Everyone on the team is taking responsibility for moving the ball and finding the best shot. Miller and Lamb in particular should get a good deal of credit for that.

1/x doesn't die, it just fades away.

by JLeverenz on Dec 7, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

excellent point

i thought that was what i was seeing, thanx for the confirmation…

"Every sweet has it's sour, every evil it's good."
Ralph Waldo Emerson

by KYCatwoman on Dec 7, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

A pack of crackers, a Mt Dew, and JL's stats...

What a good way to start the day!

If your wings don't sweep....

by EagleTDL on Dec 7, 2011 8:59 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks Eagle

Glad you like it!

1/x doesn't die, it just fades away.

by JLeverenz on Dec 7, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

A bit off topic

At what point will Beckham be eligible? What kind of contribution should we expect, in your opinion?

by olddoc on Dec 7, 2011 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

Eligible in spring semester

Doubt he gets any meaningful PT. Lamb has been fine taking 10ish possessions per game as the lead guard, and Miller has shown he’s able to slide to the 2 and play point forward. Unless Beckham can be a 3 point specialist (the role I thought Stacey Poole might take after Jon Hood’s injury), there’s little room for him in the regular rotation.

by jc25 on Dec 7, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Earlier than that?

Wouldn’t Beckham be eligible as soon as grades are in for the Fall semester? Maybe that’s what you meant, though technically it would be the in-between semester period.

1/x doesn't die, it just fades away.

by JLeverenz on Dec 7, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

That is what I was thinking

And thus my question. This is finals week where I teach, and grades are in on Monday, so maybe he is eligible the game after IU? Just wondering – thanks.

by olddoc on Dec 7, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Impressive

We’ve got three freshmen with an ORtg 105 or above. None of them have a usage rate below 19. I’d say they’re off to a good start.

by KDH2011 on Dec 7, 2011 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

Gentlemen

I hope my thoughts are not taken in the wrong way. I am soon to be 72 years old. My Dad and I started with Claude Sullivan 60 years ago. I really enjoy listening to and watching my Cats. All of your work,stats,graphs and etc. would make the game insufferable for me to watch. It’s only a game and I would bet that the coach doesn’t use your charts. Thanks for reading.

by oldcat73 on Dec 7, 2011 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

I can only speak for myself...

I look at stats not because I see it as work, but because I enjoy it. I love my Cats (as all of us do) and everyone’s got their Kentucky Basketball traditions. For me stats, charts and the rest are part of my traditions. Go Cats!

by UKFanStuckInDC on Dec 7, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, all of these graphs and such

are just filler between games for those who can’t get enough basketball. Nothing wrong with that and really in no way impacts watching the games in an insufferable manner. We might actually end up watching the mechanics a little more closely and understand why something happened the way it did. It’s a long way from Claude Sullivan’s day and I notice you are using a computer to share this with us. The difference between radio and Sullivan and you using a computer is far greater than using a few statistical facts to enhance understanding the nuances of the game. To each his own. By the way, I turn 65 in 4 days and am looking forward to yet unimagined advances in technology.

I am all for people expressing their opinions, as long as they back them up with facts.

by kywineman on Dec 7, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, everyone enjoys the game their own way

I don’t think about these things explicitly while I’m watching a game either, but as wineman says above, they can reveal trends or other areas of the games that you might not recognize just by watching. When done properly, stats provide context for what happens in the game and how players are doing overall in the season.

1/x doesn't die, it just fades away.

by JLeverenz on Dec 7, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics...

as we all know. But statistics can help if you use them the right way. I do think about statistics during the games – we all do. Just not the ones that are this complicated. Instead we focus on shooting percentage (ours and theirs), rebounds, turnovers, fouls, etc. Pitino’s UK teams used to track deflections. These things are all very useful both during a game as well as on a higher level to analyze how a team is doing and where they need to improve. The stats JLev is using have the same basis we are used to, but he slices and dices it a little bit differently – it is more about efficiencies than absolute numbers. I guy who plays 30 minutes a game should be putting up more numbers than a guy who only gets 10 minutes. But is he a better player? These are more development tools – they can help you track a player’s improvement (or vice versa).

Kentucky Basketball - The Reason for Living

by GriffinRC on Dec 7, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

efficiencies and develoment tools...

i love stats and remembering and talking about them during the games…you guys are very helpful…thanx!!!

"Every sweet has it's sour, every evil it's good."
Ralph Waldo Emerson

by KYCatwoman on Dec 7, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

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