North Carolina Tar Heels (5) 72 @ Kentucky Wildcats (1) 73: Postmortem
Well, today was a great day in college basketball. Two titans of the hardwood met in historic Rupp Arena with the #1 ranking in America on the line, and the Kentucky Wildcats emerged victorious over the North Carolina Tar Heels by a single point thanks to a last-second block by Anthony Davis on a John Henson jump shot.
By any measure, this was a terrific game by both teams. It had intensity, it had defense, it had great 3-point shooting, good passing, good rebounding and excellent ballhandling. In every sense, it was a game worthy of two of the most storied basketball programs in America. North Carolina should not be proud that they lost, but they should be proud of the way the competed, and somehow you knew that this game was going to come down to the last second. It did not disappoint in any aspect.
For the fist 5/8ths of the game, North Carolina was simply the best team. They took what Kentucky gave them, they made big shots and got the lead all the way out to nine points a couple of times. It was not until 15:18 to go in the second half that Kentucky managed to get the lead back after playing from behind for most of the game, and finally took the lead for good at 61-60 with 7:32 remaining. It was nip and tuck to the very end.
Four Factors to Winning
Looking at the Four Factors to Winning, the Wildcats were held to only 47.6% effective FG%, the second-lowest against an opponent this year, while shooting almost 51% themselves. The Tar Heels offset that by turning the ball over fairly liberally at 20%, while for the second straight game, UK had an excellent ballhandling game. The Wildcats beat the Heels on the offensive glass and also in FT%, offsetting the outstanding 3-point percentage by the Tar Heels.
What really won this game for Kentucky, though, was sharp offensive execution and defensive intensity in the second half. The Tar Heels were knocking down a lot of huge threes, but in between those, they were struggling in their half-court offense to get good looks. Usually, when a team shoots 63% from three and makes 11 of them, their eFG% is through the roof and in the high 50's. If that had happened, Kentucky would have lost convincingly.
But the Heels only managed 33% on 2-point baskets, mostly due to very competitive and aggressive UK defense, and that was what kept UK in the game. Kentucky, conversely, went a loathsome 4-17 (23.5%) from three, but made 52% of their shots from 2-point range in a reversal of the normal tendency of both teams. Kentucky normally gets over 30 of their scoring from 3, while North Carolina normally gets about 20. Today, UNC got 46% of their points from the arc, and UK only 16%.
Indicative of UK's intensity on defense, they came away with 7 steals, and against a team the quality of the Tar Heels, that is a very high number. Kentucky only allowed UNC to take the ball away from them twice.
Superlatives:
- Michael Kidd-Gilchrist played like a full-grown man, scoring 17 points on 6 of 9 shots and added 5/7 free throws. But he pulled down 11 huge boards for a double-double, including 4 offensive rebounds, a block, a steal and an assist. Game ball.
- Doron Lamb had a great game that was also worthy of consideration. He scored 14 points on 50% shooting, but made a couple of cold-blooded threes to preserve the Kentucky lead late in the game. Lamb had a team high 4 turnovers, but he did more than enough to make up for that.
- Darius Miller had a really solid game, and made several huge plays down the stretch. Great to see the senior make such a valuable and timely contribution.
- Terrence Jones played well, especially on defense. He had 2 steals and 3 blocks to go along with 14 points on 4-14 shooting with 7 rebounds. I thought Terrence took too many perimeter shots this game.
- What can you say about Anthony Davis? He saved the game. His numbers aren't eye-poping, but he affected every shot and blocked 2, including the game winner, to go along with nine rebounds.
- Eloy Vargas continues to impress. He refused to allow Tyler Zeller to get post-up position and had 2 rebounds in only 6 minutes. At that rate, he would have had about 11 in typical starter minutes.
- Kyle Wiltjer also did a very good job. He was outstanding with quick double-teams on Zeller, and forced at least one turnover with his sharp execution of the post double-team. He also made a critical basket when the Wildcats really needed one, a left-handed scoop shot.
- Finally, there is Marquis Teague. 4 assists against only 1 turnover. He shot the ball poorly, and some of his shot selection was suspect, but overall, I loved what he did.
- Defensive intensity for the team was just excellent.
- The poise that this Kentucky team played with considering the magnitude of the game and the youth of the team was impressive.
- Kentucky's transition defense was excellent. North Carolina did not get many fast breaks, and several of them failed to score.
Not so great
- The decision to put Anthony Davis on Zeller. Zeller buried Davis under the basket numerous times, and John Henson repeatedly shot over Jones. I would have reversed those roles
- Shot selection in the first half. I thought UK took way too many bad shots in the first half, mostly from three.
- Kentucky's 3-point shooting was simply awful, mostly because they were impatient, or because the wrong people were shooting them.
- 3-point defense is obviously a concern.
Overall, I think we can all be really proud of our team in this game. They gave us absolutely everything we could have wanted, including a victory, and even though it wasn't perfect, they really never gave up on anything and played extremely hard, and for the most part, well.
Next up: The Indiana Hoosiers in Bloomington. The Hoosiers are competitive, and that game will be a tough one. But we'll worry about that after a few days of soaking up the accolades and celebrating our big early-season win and #1 ranking, now clearly deserved.
Go, 'Cats!
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You and I saw a lot of the same things Glenn
I couldn’t figure out why Davis was guarding Zeller, it was clearly not going well. Maybe there were some things happening away from the ball that made that assignment work, but when Zeller had the ball Davis really couldn’t stop him alone.
For the 3’s, there were some open looks that just didn’t go down, and I kept waiting for them to run plays to get Lamb some open looks. Finely they did late in the second half and “voila!” By-the-by: Lamb is now shooting 50% on 3’s this season.
MKG is a man’s Man. That is all.
Okay, no it isn’t. K-G was absolutely beastly in this game – maybe the most physically dominant player in the game. He just could not be kept away from the ball.
Vargas gave the Cats exactly what I thought he could on the defensive end. I really, really, really would like to see him get ~10 mpg. I think he has earned them. He is playing hard defensively and working for every rebound. His Defensive Rebound % is over 30 – that’s Kenneth Faried territory. Those are the things Cal keeps mentioning that Wiltjer needs to do to get more minutes and Vargas is doing them in spades.
Just a great, great game.
1/x doesn't die, it just fades away.
If Vargas continues
to improve throughout the season and Teague settles in and makes better decisions, we will be hard to beat. From what I’ve seen of Louisville and our SEC brethren, Indiana might have the best chance of stopping us.
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The Indiana game concerns me
They are much, much better than last year and this will be the Cats first true road game. Coming off such a big win, it will be very, very easy to have a let down against the Hoosiers. This year Indiana is good enough take advantage of that if it were to happen.
1/x doesn't die, it just fades away.
Yes, IU has a very competitive team this year.
They should not be able to handle UK, though, but the environment will be really hostile.
The Hoosiers are really hungry for a win against UK.
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I think with a week off
between games, Calipari will work any let downs out of them. It will be good to see if they can maintain their focus in an hostile environment.
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Davis on Zeller
I agree with the both of you that Davis guarding Zeller straight up seems to be less effective than putting Jones on Zeller due to Jones being the stronger of the two UK big guys. However, with Davis on Zeller, that allowed the double teaming from the 4 man, and by the by, that strategy turned out to be pretty effective.
right on the button!!!
smart game and hard played…Go CATS!!!
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the double team was very well executed
And Wiltjer deserves a lot of credit for that. I still think you could do that strategy with Jones on Zeller.
1/x doesn't die, it just fades away.
Agree, jdog.
Consider that strength and quickness might be more important on the FT side of Zeller, with height more important on the basket side. Haven’t thought it out completely, but that’s my first impression.
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About three point defense,
you cannot have it both ways. UK chose to cut off UNC’s inside players and they did a good job of it for the most part, especially in the second half. If you are going to emphasize inside defense and rebounding, then you have to give up something. UNC had not been scoring that much from the outside so we didn’t stretch our D out as much as we could have. I have to think it was a coaching strategy to do this rather than a failure by the players. Some of those 3 pointers they hit were sick, nobody could have stopped them.
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by kywineman on Dec 3, 2011 6:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
agree 100%...
you cannot have it both ways. UK was not playing bad perimeter defense, UNC was just on fire from 3 point. one of the threes came after a UK player blocked a shot and the ball went right to an open UNC player in the corner who hit a three – i know that was just one of the 11 threes unc hit, but it was indicative of the way things were going…for a while
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Dec 3, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I remember that shot
there was a collective moan from the Rupp crowd. We knew it was going in.
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So happy!
When Davis blocked that shot I came out of my seat. Scared the crap out of my wife and sister :-). I drank coffee during the game, I’m celebrating now!
by phatcatfan on Dec 3, 2011 6:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Me too
My daughter screamed in fright, too! She’s just 6, but she knows to give me plenty of space during games!
March in December
Marchworthy bball that is. What an inspired effort from the team AND the head coach.
by BCinVA on Dec 3, 2011 6:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
March in December
Marchworthy bball that is. What an inspired effort from the team AND the head coach.
by BCinVA on Dec 3, 2011 6:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
"Not so great..."
I take exception in this case:
1) Shot selection, in my opinion, was not as bad as you say. We simply shot lousy. Many of those shots (though not all) were wide-open looks.
2) No argument. The three would not fall.
3) Three point defense, against the way the Heels shot it today, is nearly impossible to do well. First, their screens for the 3pt shooter were extremely well executed. The passing on the part of UNC to set these shooters up was flawless. Very tough to defend the middle AND the perimeter under those circumstances. UNC deserves credit here. Second, Carolina simply shot lights-out and that makes ANY team’s 3pt defensive look bad. Just sayin’….
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Agree with you except for the transition 3s UNC hit
Those were the result of failing to get back quickly and find a man. On a couple of those, it was MKG failing to find Barnes in the first half.
I didn't say it was all that bad, and not for the whole game.
In the first half, we took several bad shots. If you don’t believe me, run it back and look. It is not really disputable. In the second half, I though we took great shots.
When it comes to 3-point defense, my complaint is purely about getting in position to challenge the shot. UNC got a vast number of unopposed looks. That’s unacceptable, and again, not really disputable. The looks they made with guys hanging all over them were great shots and great defense, and there were several of those, but those aren’t the ones I am complaining about.
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Been there, done that
We’ve seen this the past two years. Sam Houston State, anyone? 3-point defense seems like it’s usually the last phase of the D to settle in/shore up. At least they also seem to be far ahead in the other phases than prior teams at this point in the season. It’s scary to think what they will be able to accomplish when they start talking to and trust each other more – like a whole team’s worth of Liggins.
Carolina Fans
are taking this loss very hard apparently. Rambled over to Carolina March and there is 1 comment of the post-mortem write up! ONE!
That's a very low-traffic blog.
Visit some of the other Carolina sites. They are not taking it well, and I don’t blame them, but neither are they suicidal. They seem to be taking it about like we would if the result had been reversed.
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The Tar Heel Fan blog is pretty big.
They have Rivals site that is much like UK’s Rivals site. Their Scout site is pretty big also.
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In one Tar Heel fan's opinion of the Scout and Rivals sites: Oy vey.
Tar Heel Fan Blog and T.H. from Carolina March are pretty sane characters who are pretty good representatives of the fanbase at large.
Tobacco Road Blues is another site that’s good, but young.
Kentucky's Scout and Rivals sites are the same way.
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Nothing to be suicidal about
While this was a BIG win for our young team, it wouldn’t have been the end of the world in early December. A loss would have been discouraging but not fatal. I suspect that UNC fans feel the same way. Kudos to MKG, nice game. And, except for his long range shooting, I liked TJ’s game also.
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by bigbill992001 on Dec 4, 2011 3:02 AM EST up reply actions
Nice postmortem
I find essentially nothing I disagree with. I’m simply delighted to get this win against such a quality opponent. At 38 in a row at home, folks are going to have to admit Cal can coach. Or decide that Coach K has similar weaknesses.
You and me both.
As a bonus, our home winning streak continues. Good for us!! :-)
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That is part of the reason
I love the head to head series with them. Brings the most wins thing to life. I will be pulling for them to sweep the Dukies this season. They can win til march and I don’t think they will gain much if any on us.
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Great Postmortem-
Your observations are spot on in my opinion. Strange how each teams strengths and weaknesses seemed to reverse. I felt it was a Total Team Effort, and I am extremely proud of our guys…. Also, you have to love the never say die, refuse to lose attitude of these young men…
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Totally Agree
I can’t imagine some of the Cats teams of years past shooting 4-17 from beyond the arc and still playing as well as these guys did. They all seem to be fighters out there!
by UKFanStuckInDC on Dec 3, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
The man Today

Eloy came in and did his job ! He has improved so much since last season. It is huge to know we can put Eloy in a big game and he’s not going to make terrible mistakes ! Great job Eloy !
by Sam Henson on Dec 3, 2011 6:55 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
rec'd for the pic - that's a nice one!
1/x doesn't die, it just fades away.
I think youi could go with that for the irony factor
Like the 6’6" 250lb guy whose called “Tiny”
1/x doesn't die, it just fades away.
How about Jorts Lite?
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Eloy just keeps getting better
He looks confident this year. That then translates to his play. We need another big guy. AD still gets pushed around and probably will all year. TJ is our only “muscle” man (true 4/5) other than Vargas. AD plays more like a 3/4 or 3/5 (Dirk Nowitski type).
boys they ain't!!!
we’ll be calling all of ’em MEN before this season is over!!!
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Harrison Barnes played well on offense ... but I feel like he could not guard Kidd-Gilchrest
and that was one of the keys to winning. MKG came to play today and that spelled the end for UNC.
Yeah ...
… Kid-Gilchrist is really a warrior, and Barnes is more of a finesse player.
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One thing that jumps out of the stat sheet
UNC only had 2 guys that hit the glass. Mr. Barnes had 2 boards.
We had 3.
Barnes scored all his points from the arc.
4 of 5 from 3-pt range, and a deuce with his toe barely on the line. Even on the last play of the game, when Henson grabbed the loose ball with 7 seconds to go, Barnes, wide open off the elbow, back-peddled to the 3-pt line with his hands up ready to receive a pass. What was he going to do, shoot another 3? They were down by 1 with 7 seconds to play.
I didn’t think he was such a one-dimensional offensive player. Is he incapable of driving the ball to the rim, or taking a mid-range shot? You’ll forgive us for thinking so after watching this game. He never went to the line for a free throw. And as BC notes, only 2 boards. That’s gotta change, doesn’t it?
yep
Kidd-Gilchrist made some outstanding plays today. That spin move ha made on the and-1 was pretty impresssive.
I've watched the first half 3 times.
In the first half:
Teague showed how far he has to go.
MKG & TJ came to play. TJ can play better defense, but he is a freakin’ beast on offense.
Grandpa Miller is a powerful & steadying influence. Good things happen when he’s in there.
There were two bad charging calls against us, but Miller got away with a walk, and TJ fouled Henson on that dunk he missed to end the first half.
This game was good for me. I was nervous.
Teague has to get better shooting the 3
He had at least 3 wide open 3s that he missed. TJ jacked too many 3s.
Rebounding was a big key to this game. MKG was a beast on the boards, same with Davis. Darius Miller is really impressing me as well.
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Line drives
That’s what MT’s shots looked like – absolutely flat with no arc. All of them clanged off the back of the rim.
He's still a 37% shooter which is decent
his shot did look flat today, but then again, the whole team pretty much stunk from outside.
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'Zactly!! Line drives!!
That’s what weaker-armed HS players do when they don’t have the strength to put some arc on the ball. He’s obviously strong enough, just needs to break the line drive habit!
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You know
I watched that replay again on the last FT by Teague. He didn’t really use his legs at all. Just his arms. I’m a huge proponent that FTs originate in the flex of the legs.
I've played a lot of basketball.
In my personal opinion, here is no “right” way to shoot a free throw. It’s a 15 foot shot. Compare it to a 3-foot put in golf. I used to subscribe to the Kyle Macy theory of free throws, but no more.
The whole body comes into a proper shooting motion. You need to get your legs in there, but only a little. You can be successful at it with or without legs.
The key is it has to be repeatable under pressure, just like a putting stroke. Bigger muscles tend to have fewer small deflections, so when most of the impetus comes from below, your distance tends to be more repeatable. But unlike a put, there is no way to keep the small muscles of the wrist out of it.
From what I have seen in my years, I would rather a player bend his knees than not. When he does that, he will get some legs into the shot. But I have seen very good shooter shooters from the line that didn’t get a lot of legs into it, and some almost none.
Free throws, like short putting, is about 60% confidence and 40% technique. You do have to do the basics right, obviously — if you shot-put the ball like Shaquille O’Neal did, or heave it at the rim like some other poor shooters do, it’s an accident if you make a high percentage.
Teague shoots a flat, heavy ball that requires him to release it in a very tight window to make it. Miller shoots a flat ball also, but not a heavy one. Teague needs to soften up his shot by giving it a little more arc, which will increase his margin for error. Most of all, he needs to make sure his shooting motion is repeatable. which it seems to be.
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Successful FT Shooting
Requires 2 things (I think).
- 1 a routine to follow, and # 2 confidence.
Just like a 3 ft putt in golf.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 5, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
And a third thing is plenty of practice.
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Respectfully disagree, Esteemed Leader.
There are some technique fundamentals that produce reliable results.
-First, the wrist, elbow, and shoulder have to be in, or near, the same vertical plane. See Jones from early last year for violations of this precept.
-Second, the whole body needs to be involved, especially the legs.
Next, I agree completely with Forty that routine and confidence are important, but put them into the same category. A good repeatable routine (a la Macy, perhaps) puts you on autopilot and in a comfortable place. This helps get rid of the fear of failure and lets your body do what it knows how to do.
So, I boil “my” two necessities down to:
-Good technique (this includes a repeatable routine,) and
-Practice under pressure (like your teammates having to run laps for your misses while you stand and watch them)
BTW, I’ve played a lot of basketball, too, and I’ve been a PGA pro for 11 years, and the “big muscle” comment is right on the money. But there IS a way to keep the small muscles out of the short putts, but you’ve got to PRACTICE and keep the mind out of the process. Like Dave Pelz, I think that the mind must be occupied with thinking about the process rather than the outcome (a la TQM, sort of).
The one thing I think we all agree on is that we’d like to see this team shoot at least 70-75% of their FTs, and there’s no reason that athletes as good as they are cannot.
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Oops, misread your "unlike a putt".
You are right, of course, that the little muscles of the wrist and arm are involved in the FTs, but proper coordination between them and big muscles is key.
The “turn off the mind” factor is the common element, still, IMO. That doesn’t explain why Freddie Couples can’t putt with a short putter, though. Hmmm.
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I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree somewhat.
Yes, there are some parts of the technique that tend to produce more reliable results, but there are innumerable examples of effective techniques that violate those “rules,” just like you see in putting, where some guys don’t remove the small muscles from the technique.
There have been many good free throw shooters that don’t align their elbow, wrist and shoulder in the same vertical plane. In fact, proper alignment these days is relatively rare. I would agree that technical flaws can lead to bad free throw shooting, but mostly, that happens to people who are generally poor shooters to begin with.
Good technique can allow naturally poor shooters to vastly improve their FT%, but perfect technique doesn’t really help naturally good shooters that much. See Foster, Shan for a guy who shoots great free throws with bad technique. Tim Hardaway also had flawed form and was still a very reliable free throw shooter. Even Jodie Meeks violated the vertical plane rule, although he was fairly close. Chris Lofton also did not align his shoulder, wrist and elbow. These are just a few of many examples.
I think a repeatable technique is more important than “good” technique, because I know that confidence is more important than minor technical flaws like misalignment of the arm, etc. It’s very much like a golf swing in that regard — there are many ways to accomplish the same thing. Jim Furyk and Hubert Green are my two favorite examples there, but by no means the only ones.
But I would agree that rarely can one become a truly great free throw shooter with major flaws, although technical perfection even among good shooters rarely resulted in great free throw shooting. It just takes a special person to shoot the ball at >= about 85% year in and year out. Rex Chapman was such a player. Despite having textbook perfect form and alignment, his lifetime percentage was only about 80%, and less than that at UK.
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We'll take that 80% for this team, right now!
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Well, we have an 80% shooter right now.
His name is Doron Lamb.
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I meant the team average.
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Repeatable may be the most important factor.
Using too much of the body in the free throw motion introduces more opportunities for throwing the shot off. Minimize motion to that necessary to deliver a make able shot and then practice, practice, practice. The free throw needs to be pure muscle memory and focus because it is the same shot every time, with the exception of hundreds of screaming lunatics behind the basket.
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And if you're Jordan you can do it with your eyes closed - repeatability yes
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Odd isn't it
how the game was played opposite of what was expected.
UNC cannot shoot the ball that well again. It was amazing and there isn’t much you can do about it when a team is shooting like that. One player yes, but a team, no way.
Glenn, there was some disagreement above, but I think you were right that in the first half there was some poor transition defense for the 3. There also seemed to be some confusion in the half court regarding who should rotate. Poor shot selection in the first half by UK, but boy did they play excellent half court D (inside the arc) and did they work.
Someone said it, but to reiterate, the wrong people were shooting 3’s for the Cats.
Earlier I made a post about terrible officiating. I retract that statement, because it is too harsh. However, I have noticed this year that the smiley face under the basket isn’t working as intended. It seems to me that players are in the arc and jumping out as someone drives to the basket. What happened to Lamb and MKG in the first half I have noticed in several other games this year. Untended consequences I guess.
That was a ball game. Man was it something. The maturity they exhibited. Now it was at home, but still…
Cal did a masterful job coaching today….goodness.
by darkandbloody@gmail.com on Dec 3, 2011 8:21 PM EST reply actions
I HATE the way charges around the basket are officiated
whatever the intent of that arc is, I don’t think it’s really helping anything, and might be making things worse.
Overall, I thought the officiating in the game was pretty good. Obviously they missed some calls, but it didn’t seem to be one way only.
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I think you have to give the officials time to learn how to use it
It’s a really new thing for them to get used to and to learn to use properly. Just because there have been some hiccups in the first 1/4 of the season doesn’t mean it will continue to be that way.
They’ve had that arc in the NBA for a while now and teams/officials know how to use it. The same will follow in time at the college level.
1/x doesn't die, it just fades away.
That's how the NBA has done it for years.
A little hop outside the restricted area arc, and you’re set for the charge. Nothing unintended there. Totally foreseen. Agree with Special K: They should have made it 4 feet, just like the NBA.
Expectations Met
How often do hyped events actually meet the expectations? Or as The Bard stated:
"Oft expectation fails, and most oft where most it promises;
Well today was not that day. Great college basketball!
My prognostications were not quite equal to my expectation: I thought UNC would win and mostly due to their greater experience — but I’m overjoyed at being wrong. I was more accurate in saying that MK-G and Teague would be key with Gilllie sure to improve his performance against St. Johns and Teague would have to hold his own versus Marshall — both occurred. I disagree that UK’s shot selection was all that bad in the first half, a bit quick maybe but most were not closely guarded. It is tendentious to judge 3-point attempts as poor selection when they’re not made, e.g. Lamb’s late key 3 from the corner was not all that great and more than adequately defended but it went in, ergo a “good” shot. Conversely not all the Heels’ 3’s were great choices but they found the net and look “good”.
A couple of other interpretations: considering the dearth of experience this team has a remarkably high basketball IQ, lack of experience does not trump size/length and athleticism on defense and by the end of season this could be UK’s best defensive team and, finally, I totally agree with awarding the game ball to Gillie but IMO the person most responsible for the victory is Coach Calipari, he clearly bested Coach Williams.
BTW, since my DVR is inop, does anyone know if there is an archived on-line anywhere?
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PS
The SEC is not faring all that well vs. Big East.
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We did all right
and that is all that matters to me. Several of the games were close on the Big East courts so that may bode well for the post season match ups on neutral sites.
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A couple of close losses go the other way ...
… like Vandy and Alabama, and the outcome is different.
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Florida game was close as well.
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Yeah, And If My Aunt Had ....
"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
Ole Roy
had stated turn off the shot clock and save electricity, we won’t be needing it. So Cal plays a more deliberate game, not Wisconsin like but sedate for UK standards. He took away their biggest weapon, the transition game, to a great extent. All of those offensive rebounds we got didn’t hurt either. By the way, speaking of prognosticating, Dickie V. almost nailed this one. He predicted UK 74, UNC 71. He got the total points right.
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Which points to another misconception -- that UK plays "fast"
Kentucky’s pace numbers are 89th in the nation at 69.1possessions/gm. North Carolina is 10th at 72.9.
Kentucky does play faster than about 3/4 of division 1 teams, but not like UNC. The difference is fairly obvious – UNC’s half-court offense usually takes the first open shot they get, whether is is a good one or not. UK does not. You can’t call Cal’s offense “deliberate,” but he doesn’t let pace dictate how he plays. We run offense until we either good shot or we run down the shot clock. In my view, that’s how you should play college basketball. The shot clock ensures the game won’t be too slow.
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4 possessions over 40 minutes makes that much of a difference?
Goes to show that you need to know more than absolute rank. The difference here between 89th and 10th is surprisingly small. If we consider UNC fast, that makes us almost as fast, wouldn’t you say?
It really does.
Amazing, isn’t it? Remember when Tubby Smith used to get criticism for playing slow? His numbers were actually similar to Calipari’s most years. Toward the end when our talent got lousy, our pace got down into the 65-66 range, but back in the early 200’s it was in the 68-69 range.
We play fast enough. What really gets pace up is fast breaks, and when we run a lot of those, our pace numbers are always in the 70’s, or near. But when you play teams as athletic and talented as you, they can often go down because it takes longer to find a shot.
UNC tries to force the pace, but UK is completely pace-agnostic. We don’t mind letting the other team set the pace. For example, yesterday our pace was 65, and that is a testament to how well both teams defended in transition, not to a slow-down strategy by Cal. Calipari just had them execute the offense as we have done all year.
I really like that about Calipari. He doesn’t allow other teams actions to force us to do anything. We play just as efficiently fast as we do at a more deliberate pace,and if you think about it, that makes sense when you have terrific talent that can shoot the ball, like we do.
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I agree about the shot selection
we took a lot of open shots that just didn’t go in, plus that late Lamb three actually wasn’t such a well-advised shot, except that it did go in. And MKG’s bank shot with feet on the arc against tight coverage by Barnes – horrible shot but it went in… it was a weird game that way. Most of Teague’s shots were fine, but only one went in.
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An open shot is not necessarily a good shot.
Gilchrist took a three from the corner early in the shot clock, for example. Yes, it was a wide-open shot, but it was a bad shot – we had time to get much better. Teague took at least two wide-open threes in the first half that were not good shots.
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If they are hot from behind the 3 point line
then 3 point shots when wide open and taken by players capable of hitting them regularly are not bad shots. In this case too many were put up by the wrong shooters. If Lamb and Miller had shot more of those then we might have been looking at a game won by a more comfortable margin.
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
You don’t want Eloy out there jacking up wide-open threes. But no team is going to allow Doron Lamb to have multiple unopposed looks, and for good reason.
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I agree with you
being open by itself doesn’t make it a good shot. But if the ball has moved some or if it’s not too quick in the possession, I generally don’t fault perimeter shooters when they take open shots. It also depends on the game situation, but overall I would say shot selection was not a big weakness vs. UNC. And some of the worst shots were ones that went in anyway, (and a bunch of good ones didn’t) which is why I said it was a weird game.
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Upside
I would welcome the rematch in New Orleans. I know I’m completely biased on this, but between these two teams, I see much more “upside potential” in our young Cats. They still seem a little out of control at times and can use better shot selection and cohesiveness on offense. I don’t think we’ve seen this group “firing on all cylinders.” Scary thought, huh? UNC seems like they’re already there – basically the same team as last year’s Elite Eight team. Another year of experience will surely help them, but they’re already starting out as a group that knows each other pretty well. It helps that our Freshman have been playing together since the spring, but college ball is a whole new beast for all of them.
I’m very happy for all the “tests” they have passed so far this year: tough Kansas team under the bright lights in New York; seasoned tournament team in ODU playing rock ’em sock ’em style; “trap game” with the Johnnies as the newly cristened #1 team; and today against a team seeking revenge for the tournament expulsion last year. Now we have their first true road game coming up. B-town is going to be a BRUTAL environment (having gone there 2 years ago – they take no prisoners, and now at least they have a college-worthy product to put on the court).
Can’t wait to see what these guys do with 30 or so games under their collective belts.
We can find a lot of things
criticize about today’s performance but I prefer to accentuate the positive. We only hit 4 of 17 three point shots. How is that a positive you ask? We won. I believe the consensus was that if this team didn’t hit our threes, we lose. We didn’t lose. WVU two years ago, couldn’t hit threes = loss. UConn last year, couldn’t hit our shots, you know the drill. This team found a way to beat a very good opponent without hitting our outside shots. I think this bodes well for the future.
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Yes.
UNC doesn’t want us again.
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Actually,
I think they will play the rest of the season wanting another shot at us. We have a two game winning streak against them. When was the last time that happened?
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Well, they better be careful what they wish for.
IMO, yesterday was their best chance to beat us this year.
Au contraire.
I’m sure they’d like to try us on again tomorrow morning.
These kids are competitive. They’d take us again anywhere, I have no doubt.
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And that's because we beat them at the last second on a block?
Respect your opponent. This line of argument is not reasonable.
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No, not because we beat them on a last second block.
Rather because if we meet again, I expect we will be much more improved than them.
I don’t mean any disrespect to UNC, but after what I saw yesterday, I think if we play them on a neutral court this year we will win by double digits.
I was nervous about the game yesterday, but I am very impressed by what I learned about our team.
Not sure how this is unreasonable.
What do you think would happen if we played them again THIS Saturday?
Well ...
… The point is, this was one game. It doesn’t really mean anything other than we were better than them yesterday.
Remember last year how we got beat in Chapel Hill? Same thing. Didn’t mean anything other than that they were better than us in that game.
I agree with you that I like our chances, but your position is that they don’t want to play us again because they can’t win. That’s simply not true. The most certainly can, and in a rematch, they very well may.
One game, especially with such a narrow victory, has to be taken in isolation. Anything else is fools gold.
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I don't think we're communicating. And we probably mostly agree.
I’m not basing my opinions on the fact that we won yesterday.
We only won by one point at home. That usually means that the teams are pretty even. Which they were. Yesterday.
I don’t think we will be as even when we meet again.
Certainly they CAN beat us, but I think yesterday was their best opportunity this year.
I agree with you
it’s unlikely they manage to shoot such a high percentage from three again, IMO. While they might manage more of an inside presence in a rematch, I think that advantage would be neutralized by us shooting much better from three than we did. So I can see where you are coming from that this looked like things came together well for UNC and they still didn’t win, so in a rematch we would win by more.
Obviously they are a good team and could beat us as well, but I understand your argument.
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Yes, you're right we weren't communicating.
I completely agree with what you said above.
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right.
I agree completely. One game, nothing more. Tomorrow you start over totally. You can take nothing from this game other than experience for your players. You are only as good as what you do today. Yesterday is pretty much meaningless.
Yes.
At this level, either team can win any game on a given day, and the odds are roughly 50-50 on a neutral floor.
I do agree with the idea that we have more upside than UNC does over the long season, but I don’t think that advantage is so great that we would be a heavy favorite if we met again, particularly on a neutral floor.
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Re: Upside
I agree with you guys that we have more upside, but an experienced team can make fairly fast changes in chemistry given the right catylst. See: UNC last year when Marshall took over the point; and UK when it all “came together” late in the SEC schedule. Also see Rupp’s Runts. Several mediocre seasons prior, a great season that year, then 13-13 the next year. What’s that all about?
That chemistry change for UNC might be sudden realization that they are decent three-point shooters. For UK, Beckham might be the spark, even if he doesn’t start. We’ve seen this year what a quality sixth man can do if he accepts the role.
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Beckham ...
… could really help by taking some pressure off Teague and allowing him to be more aggressive defensively.
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Cal pulled one on Ole Roy
“I really believe they could save some power in Rupp Arena and not even have the shot clock this weekend,” the coach [Roy Williams] said. “Kentucky wants to run. We want to run.”
Roy didn’t see our emphasis to play tough inside defense and slow down the half court offense coming. He thought it was going to be a track meet.
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Good point, KW. Roy said ...
he was surprised at how we dominated them in the paint. If we’d have turned the game into a track meet, I’m not so sure we’d have had the gas to hang with Carolina. As it was both teams were spent before the halfway point of the second half. If we’d run full out for 40, I don’t think our legs could have held up to allow us to stay strong down low.
Kentucky played fast enough.
We just didn’t allow the other team to dictate our pace. It was a comfortable pace for UNC, although they probably prefer faster.
It is almost impossible to speed up a game against a team with any discipline at all. It is much easier to slow one down.
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Officiating must have been better than I thought...
at least the Tarheel fans were complaining about it as much as we are. I guess that could mean that is was evenly bad. LOL
Lot of 2nd guessing about the playing time of various players, or in some cases the lack there of.
Also they seemed to take exception to Cal’s post game comments, finding them demeaning. I didn’ hear Cal’s remarks, but I found that surprising, the usual script praises the opponents and then explains how the teams "we’ made are attributal to the youth of the team, and then a couple of remarks on the good plays that helped us pull out the win. With a possible reprise of how much they will have learned from this tough game with good opponent. Did he change formats today?
One call in particular was terrible,
where the ball was clearly lost out of bounds by the UNC player and the ref called it UK’s ball. There was a timeout and the call was changed and UNC got the ball and a subsequent 3 to cut into the lead. Could have been a game changer if not for Davis’ block on Henson, which I vote for the play of the season so far.
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Yes, that was one of the ones that drew harsh invective at the television from me. :-)
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I have replayed that particular call
over and over and still cannot see any rationale for changing the original call giving the ball to UK. That play was right in front of where I was sitting and I had as good a view as the refs. There wasn’t a UK player near the ball when it bounced off the UNC player. What the home viewers did not get to see or hear was the outrage poured down on those refs for that call. UK would have had the ball and a 5 point lead with time running down. Instead, UNC got the ball back and scored. I think we are owed an explanation for the reversal of the call.
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Oh, we heard it.
Not all of it as they cut to commercial, but it was noticeable that the crowd was ugly after that call.
Glad to know that my TV view was good enough, and my invective justified.
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But it continued
through the time out. Might have set a record for a sustained boo.
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No doubt.
In fact, it was still going on when the timeout was over an the game was back on.
I’ll bet it was really quite demonstrative live.
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I don't know if they timed it that way on purpose
but the crowd was quieting down a little about half-way through the timeout and then they showed the replay. That fired up the booing again.
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The baseline ref initially pointed in UK's direction
then pointed the other way, causing Lamb to turn his palms to the sky in bewilderment. Just guessing, but maybe the midcourt ref quickly overruled. wineman – Lamb was right there mixing it up with Bullock. But the ball clearly leaves Bullock’s right hand, rolls across the back of his shoulders, and as he desperately tries to save it, it looks like he perhaps touches the ball with the fingers of both hands but is unable to control it. Regardless, Lamb never touched it. As the under-4 TO was called, Bullock appears to accept the inital call that it was off him, and no one on the UNC bench, including Roy, complains.
Why the call was changed remains a mystery, but it was absolutely huge! CBS really fell down on the job there.
I really expected CBS
to play up the controversy but they did not. I clearly saw the ball go off the hands of the UNC player. Lamb was not close at that time. Even if Lamb knocked the ball loose, the last thing it touched was the UNC player. I guess the only possible explanation would be that Lamb knocked it loose and the UNC player was out of bounds when he touched the ball and that would be the same as if it were swatted into the bench. I will go back to the DVR and see if there is an angle that supports this. Anyone know the rules well enough to address this?
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I think even in that case, the call would be out of bounds on UNC
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It was typical.
I complained bitterly about three times. That’s about average.
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I thought everybody played hard!!!
I yelled at the TV almost the whole game!! Of course there was some things I saw that I didn’t like. I don’t like Jones shooting that many threes. But I do like to see him dunking on people and taking it to the hole. And he did that in the first half. If it wasn’t for Jones, UNC would have been up by 10-12pts at half time. He even made his free throws!!! So for this game, I would like to focus on the good things.
Kidd-Gilchrest was simply the man in the second half. Vargas and Wiltjer were great off the bench. I would love to see this Darius Miller every game for the rest of the season. Lamb was great in the second half. Davis is a very unique player. He does get pushed around, but he brings so much to the table. His impact in the second half goes without saying. I have so many complaints about the way Teague played, but the kid doesn’t seem to get frustrated. He just keeps going. But I hate to see him shoot the ball. He can’t hit a free throw to save his life. I hope it doesn’t end up costing UK the NC.
Overall, I think you really have to appreciate the effort these kids put forth to win this game. It is one thing to have the talent to win, but to play as hard as they did, and not give up after they got down, says a lot about these kids. They have the right mentality to win a NC. And to me, that is way more important than all of the mistakes they made.
Yeah the free throw shotting by Davis and especially Teague is just...
the right word is hard to find. It’s a combination of frustrating, poor form, non-confidence, and simply unacceptable.
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Well...
… there is nothing wrong with Davis’ form, he just lacks confidence. His stroke is fundamentally sound, and he shoots with the proper arc and rotation.
Teague’s shot is not exactly broken, but it needs work. He shoots too flat and a very heavy ball. Miller and Gilchrist shoot a flat ball but not nearly as heavy as Teague’s.
A flat, heavy ball is not a good way to shoot free throws. The reason is because it works better on a jump shot than a set shot.
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Might help.
It would be better if he would just fix what’s broken in his release.
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There was a player from Western Kentucky who did that very thing - jumpers and had a high percentage doing so
Maybe 40 years ago – I think he played awhile for the Kentucky Colonels – can’t remember his name.
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I haven't paid super attention yet
but Davis’ lower body seems quite stiff on free throws. Overall not terrible form though. But the percentage so far definitely is.
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Yeah, it is.
No excuse for it. Mechanically, he’s fine.
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Watching Teague
on the DVR, he looked terrified to be in that position. There was no confidence whatsoever in his expression. I think he was having an anxiety attack.
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Heh.
Yes, that was my impression as well. He’s human.
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Don't think Davis uses his legs well on
his FTs, and Teague tends to get his upper body leaning away from the basket. At least Teague’s miss near the end was long. Far too often the front of the rim gets beaten up when things get tight.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
I think Davis tends to
“push” the ball sometimes, like your comment about Shaq’s shot-putting above, but mostly, he just doesn’t seem to believe. Or maybe he’s thinking too much. Or not practicing enough, or . . .
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
I think it's just confidence.
Davis doesn’t look to be a naturally confident person at this level. That takes time, what Calipari calls “demonstrated performance.”
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The difference; UK outscores Carolina 36-14 in the paint
We outplayed them offensively and defensively down low. It was good to see our guys mixing it up under the basket.
Inerior Defence was great.
TJ, MKG and AD interior D wasunbelievable. Their reaction to the ball is as good as I have seen at Kentucky. When AD and MKG get a full season under their belt, this team may be Cal’s best defensive team. I love this team.
At the game
and watching it again on DVR, Davis and Wiltjer’s double teaming of Zeller was performed to perfection. They should save that film for teaching it to future generations.
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Z's comment was that the double-team came so fast
it seemed he didn’t even have the ball yet. Normally you can catch the ball and see the double-team coming. It was the speed of it that made it so effective.
That shows you the basketball IQ of Wiltjer.
His double-teams were absolutely perfect – they arrived almost as fast as the ball did. That is devastating, because it vastly inhibits Zeller’s ability to pass from the post, and basically forces an offensive reset.
As much credit as we have given Wiltjer for his great double-teams, we probably haven’t given him enough.
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I knew Cal would double-team Zeller.
I didn’t expect it to happen from Jones and Wiltjer, I thought it would come from the guards.
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Truly exceptional hand quickness by
most of this year’s Cats. Even Davis, as tall as he is, has hand movement like the strike of a snake. I love the steals, blocks, and deflections.
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Long time reader first time poster...
I would simply be remiss if I didn’t comment on what an unbelievable game this was. This is probably one of the couple best games I’ve ever seen during the regular season (especially in December). With all due respect to Ohio State there is little doubt in my mind that we were watching the two best teams in the nation playing. I also agree with the statements made that UK is further from their potential than Carolina is (which is scary). I feel like if this game were played ten times UK would win 8 simply because carolina can’t rely on hitting 61% from three point range. I think I was most proud of the way this team kept their composure and never let up throughout the game. I think I fell in love with this team yesterday….
Thanks for posting and reading
Hope you post more often, now.
Thanks for the great comment.
Welcome to A Sea of Blue.
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Finished watching about 11:00 last night...
Not much to add that hasn’t been already stated ^ post, but I think Cal made a conscious decision to let UNC shoot the 3 and deny the post game. Zeller went for what, 27, the last time we played?? I don’t think he (Cal) wanted to be beat that way. And, that’s why he gets all the big bucks…
Total team game yesterday. I thought TJ pulled a “Disappearious” himself in the 2nd half. And I really didn’t see an adjustment on him by UNC? Don’t know what went on there…
I wouldn’t have been too upset with an L yesterday, but I’ll sure enough take the W! :-)
If your wings don't sweep....
It was logical to try to force UNC to shoot threes.
Marshall is not a good shooter, normally, but he was incredible yesterday. You never want to let Barnes or Hairston have an unopposed look, though.
Every basketball team wants to guard the paint and force threes, but you have to defend the line and force that shot to be challenged or force the player to put the ball on the floor. UK allowed too many catch-and-shoots, which is poor 3-point defense.
The ideal defense defends the paint and forces jump shots from just inside the arc. That’s what UK should try to work toward.
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It is so encouraging
to weather a storm of threes and pull out that victory, all the while having a poor three point performance ourselves.
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It sure is encouraging to me.
It speaks to just how dominant UK was inside the line.
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MKG
MKG. love the player, AND the name. After last nights game, he deserves the nickname GILLY THE KIDD.
He played really well in the second half.
The kid is a warrior.
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This is going to be a great year
.
Like others have mentioned, I am really impressed with this team’s Basketball I.Q. and poise this early in the season. Remarkable.
This year’s team could be very, very special. The best Coach Cal team yet. (How is that for the most “duh!” statement in the thread?)
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I agree yet when you read UK fan's post game comments
there is almost as much time spent lamenting our short comings in the game as spent celebrating the good things. All I can say is I remember someone complaining right after UK beat Duke in 78 that the game shouldn’t have been that close. UK fans will never be satisfied.
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Have to say that we need to talk a little bit about our undefeated Lady Kats.
They have a huge game today against the nasty ladybirds. Sold out as well. I’ll be watching on Fox South. Go Kats!
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Thanks for the reminder. I'll put up an open thread for that game, it deserves one.
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The Day After
Just a GREAT college basketball game. I haven’t read all of the posts in this thread and I am sure it’s all been said already. I will say this UK team is growing and improving at a very fast pace. They already are scary good….and it will only get better. Just hope and pray for no injuries because there isn’t a lot of debth. But from what I have seen in college basketball so far,there isn’t a team that can match the talent of this team in players 1-6. I will also say that after watching UNC play 3 times this year they are vastly overated. They will win a lot of games because the ACC is weak and they will get a great seed in the NCAAT and they will play close to home like every year,so they are a FF threat. But I just don’t see the overwhelming talent that so many see with that team.
The thing that nobody is saying ...
… but which is implicit here, is that UK’s upside is much greater than any other team in the nation by virtue of their youth.
If they can beat UNC at this point in the season, what will other teams do when they really get good?
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I'm a nobody...
I mentioned this very point yesterday! Between the two teams we saw yesterday, UK has clearly much more potential for improvement. I think everyone at ESPN and all the rest just don’t want to admit that. Maybe they think if they ignore us, we’ll just go away.
Well ...
… I didn’t mean UK fans, I was really talking about the media. But point taken.
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My only concern for this team
is that much of the remaining schedule will not give them the challenges they need to develop to their full potential. Many remaining teams will not compete against them as much as they do against each other in practice. I hope Florida, Vandy, Alabama, Miss. St. and Tennessee can give them something to learn from. The worst scenario for this team is blowouts, one after another, from here until the tournament. I actually think some of the SEC teams will come through. I left UL out because I think teams that get more than one shot at us should perform better against us. I expect UL to be a good game.
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I seem to remember
he attended their games while he was here.
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Open game thread for the UK-Louisville hoops game will pop up at 1:00
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Boo
We have to wait a whole week for another game…
Replay
I do not find this game in espn3.com. I could not watch the game as I was far away from home. Can someone please post a link to the game?
Hoosiers
From an IU perspective, I would say that we definitely have a chance at beating UK. I understand that UK is definitely one of the most dominant, if not the most dominant team in the nation. However, IU not only is a very well-coached team, but it is also very athletic and now has a new component: Cody Zeller. Cody is already better than Tyler and might be a tough matchup for Anthony Davis (I hope). Yes, Mo Creek is out again, but if he wasn’t injured, it would make the team deeper.
Also, the team definitely feeds off of the crowd’s energy, and Assembly Hall might be one of the loudest basketball arenas in the nation when it is fully packed. It also has, and this is true, it has THE LARGEST STUDENT SECTION IN THE NATION.
Either way, it will be a great game, and GO HOOSIERS.
You certainly have a chance
to beat the Cats. If you guys play your best and UK doesn’t come ready to play, it could turn ugly. This is where Cal’s superbowl comments come in to some degree. You have a chance to make a huge statement this year when you play UK and Ohio State. A victory against either of those teams delivers the “we are back” message loud and clear. I’ll be pulling for you against the buckeyes.
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I agree with Wineman - save your best game for the Buckeyes then you'll have a shot at the Big Ten (or 12?) title
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