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Kentucky vs. Louisville 2011: How Do I Despise Thee? Let Me Count The Ways.

Last year, Josh Harrellson dunked the birds.  Who will it be this year?

Media personalities from Dick Vitale to Mike DeCourcy revere the Duke Blue Devils - North Carolina Tar Heels basketball rivalry. It is considered the sine qua non of college basketball rivalries, the be-all and end all. And, of course, it isn't.

Mike Rutherford of the Card Chronicle wrote an excellent piece almost exactly one year ago on why (from a Louisville perspective) the Kentucky-Louisville rivalry is the best in college basketball. He went out of his way to avoid hyperbole, and in something of a reversal of roles, I'm going to go out of my way to indulge in a bit of it. This game deserves some.

The rivalry between the Kentucky Wildcats and Louisville Cardinals is unquestionably, in my mind at least, the most intense rivalry in the sport. Around here, or over at Card Chronicle, this statement would, for the most part, be undisputed. Nobody understands the intensity, the white-hot nature of this ongoing conflict, quite like the fans of the two schools involved.

Carolina-Duke is a comparatively passionless thing, primarily due to the fact that they play a series of games during each year, sometimes as many as three and potentially up to four if the two teams met in the NCAA Tournament (Note: It has never happened). One fan base is able, at some point near the end of the year, to claim a victory in the series. Often, there is no such victory to be had, as the series splits and the two do not meet in the ACC or NCAA tournaments.

Imagine, if you will, a Kentucky-Louisville split. It has never happened. There was one opportunity in a season, 1983-84, but UK won both.

The Kentucky-Louisville game is victory, or defeat. Win, or lose. Bragging rights, or suffering. Yes, another NCAA meeting is possible and probably inevitable at some point, and we may yet experience a season where it's no joy for either team. But the possibility remains remote, and generally, wished-for only by the loser.

Star-divide

The intensity of the Louisville-Kentucky rivalry is not the spitting, profanity and abuse-laced affair that greeted Wildcats fans in Bloomington earlier this year for the Indiana Hoosiers game. It is more of a cold, visceral loathing than a hot hatred. There have been a few altercations provoked by both sides, generally minor scuffles among youth or property damage among more infantile adults ("keying" of rival fan's cars and/or destruction of enemy flags or other emblazonments), and some name-calling and profane verbal abuse, but such incidents are rare. Both fan bases generally consider it beneath their dignity to act out like that against the other.

But lest you get the idea that this rivalry is dispassionate, it is anything but. The two groups of fans can barely tolerate each other, and will go out of their way not to interact in any way soon before or soon after the game is over, until passions on both sides have cooled below the temperature of molten magma. The Kentucky-Louisville rivalry is not the volcanic hatred of Alabama-Auburn, where ancient oaks are murdered as a proxy for actual violence among the fans. It is rather like the icy-cold, barely controlled fury of Khan Noonien Singh in Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan.

These are two groups of fans that consider their respective programs morally and historically superior to the other, regardless of objective reality. All each fan base wants out of this contest is as resounding a victory as possible, and if blood must be let on the court, so be it. Figuratively, of course.

This battle begins and ends in the trenches every year before and after the game. Before, it is a slow build-up to a rolling boil as the game draws closer and closer. Both team's fans will make raids into the enemy's on-line territory looking for fodder with which to browbeat the other. Occasional Internet skirmishes will break out here and there, and workplaces that have fans of both teams will see taunting emails fly, and stink-eyes glare, as well as the occasional debate that escalates to shouting matches with fans on each side assuring total scorched-earth destruction to the other.

After comes the excuse-making, the complaints about officiating, the third-party proofs of actual superiority and the retribution against the coach and team who failed to deliver their fix of a year of schadenfreude at the expense of opposing fans, as well as bitter vows of revenge at the earliest available opportunity. The Kentucky-Louisville rivalry is a messy business, but it is something most fans of either team look forward to every year.

Since former Kentucky coach Rick Pitino came to Louisville, enraging Wildcats fans, the temperature of the rivalry increased noticeably. When John Calipari, Pitino rival and past coach of formerly-bitter Conference USA foe Memphis came to Kentucky and renovated the UK program, Louisville fans exploded in icy venom. They knew, and despised, Calipari from his Memphis days. The rivalry has now reached a level of unprecedented intensity which figures to linger for at least five more years, and perhaps beyond. Add to that the high ranking and excellent records of both teams this year, and the stakes have been elevated to previously unimagined levels.

As the game gets very close, neutral observers will see unusual acts among strangers in public places, like groups of one fan base mocking a complete stranger in rival colors. Flags will begin to adorn houses in either Red and Black or Blue and White, with the occasional "House Divided" flag containing both sets of colors. Brothers and sisters on opposite sides will stop speaking to each other just before and for a while after the game until the wounds of defeat and obnoxious elation of victory fade back to tolerable levels.

Kentucky-Louisville is a rivalry the way it should be, and the way it rarely is. At it's peak, it is far more intense than any other basketball rivalry, and that is simply the objective truth. Fans on both sides allow themselves to be carried away to the brink of madness, but rarely beyond. The game itself is an orgy of passion and team partisanship, and in the aftermath, one group sulks off to lick their wounds, grudgingly acknowledging the victor's superior play, while the victor celebrates, as often as possible within full view or earshot of the loser. Needless to say, being the loser is P-A-I-N-F-U-L, especially when you live behind enemy lines.

Unlike Carolina-Duke, you have 365 days, more or less, to suffer at the hands of your rivals. There is almost no chance of respite, and no escape from your tormentor. Like a football rivalry, the shame and pain must be borne, in full measure, until the lust of the enemy for your embarrassment is sated, or until other events have intervened to ameliorate the suffering, or until next year.

If this all sounds extreme, it is, and insanely exciting. And that's why this rivalry is the best. There are no half-measures here, no splits, no draws -- only victory, and defeat.

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I will be in Section 28 at high noon Saturday

for the showdown at the UK corral. I expect Rupp will be rocking just like the UNC game, maybe even more. The last thing I would want to be doing Saturday is reffing the game. Talk about a thankless endeavor. Let’s go cats.

By the way, any support for changing the state bird to the catbird?

I am all for people expressing their opinions, as long as they back them up with facts.

by kywineman on Dec 29, 2011 7:13 PM EST reply actions  

Toomer Oaks .... really gave Bama fans a "black eye" ....

and I hated to see Xavier/Cincinnati come down to a fight on the floor ….

I enjoy the UK-UL rivalry and have as much hatred for UL as the next guy …. but lets hope fans don’t go overboard and make a great sports rivalry something ugly …

I expect an intense hard fought battle on both sides … but I expect sportsmanship as well.

by ukcris on Dec 29, 2011 7:25 PM EST reply actions  

Oh come on, what fun is that? ;)

The higher the body count the better. :)

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Dec 29, 2011 8:02 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

No blood no foul ... I'm ok with that ...

Bear Bryant …. “I always want my players to show class, knock ’em down, pat ’em on the back, and then run back to the huddle”

by ukcris on Dec 29, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

This this this.

Classy, hits ’em where it hurts, accomplishes our mission.

And if that doesn’t work, beat ’em, beat ’em some more, and then beat ’em just to be sure.

Proud member of the Big Blue Nation - Let's Go Cats!!!

by jords on Dec 29, 2011 11:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

C-A-T-S!!!

Excellent article Glenn! Those who claim that some other game is the biggest rivalry in college hoops have never taken part in the spectacle that is UK vs. U of L! This Saturday I will be at the “game of the year” for the first time in my life and, I have to say, that this will be a dream come true! I was at Rupp when Tubby was the coach and Florida came to town bringing their #1 Ranking with them. ESPN had college gameday at Rupp and the place was absolutely electric but I fully expect that this game will trump that one 100 fold in intensity! Is anyone else ready to ring in 2012 with a Big Blue beat down of the hated Cards? GO BIG BLUE!

by Hillbilly Bennett on Dec 29, 2011 7:28 PM EST reply actions  

Welcome to A Sea of Blue!

Thanks for the nice comments.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Dec 29, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Glenn, you just wrote an epic piece

My thoughts ranged to the Civil War as I read your description of “Brother-Sister.” Congratulations.

by jdogblue on Dec 29, 2011 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

Why, thank you sir.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Dec 29, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I Started "Disliking" Louisville In Mid-1960's

When they joined MVC and became a rival of UC Bearcats.

I started “hating” them in 1983 and haven’t stopped. Even more so when Pitino went there in 2001.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 29, 2011 8:20 PM EST reply actions  

Me !!!!

I started about 83 also, I had some UL fans over for the game, I not mad & told them too get the HELL out ha !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go CATTTTTTTTTTTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by oilliecat on Dec 30, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I go back nearly as far, but my experience is different. I really liked UL back in the 60s

Because they signed my hero, Butch Beard. I was a little 10 year old when our Breckinridge Co Bearcats won the Sweet 16 in 1965. Plus, UK never played UL in those days, of course. I stayed with them as my “second” team right up through the Crum days.

But, after Pitino went there, no more…..

by BCinVA on Dec 30, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I Saw Several Of The UC Vs U Of L Games In 1960's

Bearcats upset them now and then but not often.

Beard and Unseld were quite good as college basketball players.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 30, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I was indifferent until 1973, when I graduated from UK and moved to Louisville.

The fans truly believed that they were better and “proved” it by saying that UK was afraid to play UofL. Now they play every year. How’s that workin’ out for you, Card fans?

Slogan for the NCAA: If it ain't broke, break it.

by UKCat on Dec 30, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

the only good things...

are the BIG Ws we get over them…i enjoy the rivalry…the passion coming out of the BBN is awesome!!!

"Every sweet has it's sour, every evil it's good."
Ralph Waldo Emerson

by KYCatwoman on Dec 29, 2011 8:29 PM EST reply actions  

I can honestly say that I don't hate or even dislike most of the Card fans

Its kinda like having a mildly retarded cousin who think he knows more about the teams, history and the feeling that his side harbors the more intense fan enthusiasm than the other side could possibly muster.

A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!

by KansasUKCat on Dec 30, 2011 6:31 AM EST reply actions  

Great piece

Fortunately in western Kentucky most are smart enough to belong to the BBN, so I don’t have any misguided friends to taunt for 364 after wins.

We know the fans dislike each other, and the coaches probably don’t exchange Christmas cards. However, when the ball goes up, is the team who has had a year to choke on the last loss hungrier? I know it should be x’s and o’s but does the rivalry favor a team with veteran players. I wonder what Darious has been telling the kids.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro...Hunter S. Thompson

by UK72CatFan on Dec 30, 2011 9:01 AM EST reply actions  

I started to go against UL when I came on this board...

as I have said in the past, you all are rubbing off of me. Always a ’Cat fan, just never had the desire to go against UL, until the past couple years…thanks everyone :P …LOL.

And for some odd reason, I feel the disdain as written in the article. You people just put me in my proper place as a ’Cats fan :)

Ironically, in FL (where I reside) I work with so many folks from Kentucky, and ironically, I am the ONLY UK fan of them. The rest of Cards fans…yuck.

http://www.JohnWallWear.com

by kentuckyrules on Dec 30, 2011 9:05 AM EST reply actions  

I think ...

… since you work with so many folks from Kentucky and it turns out you are the ONLY UK fan, you only needed to be point in a bluer direction. :-)

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Dec 30, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Its a double whammy for me...

because of all the Florida fans too…sigh…

http://www.JohnWallWear.com

by kentuckyrules on Dec 30, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm in Georgia...

… know several UK fans – travel to a few games each year with one who is a co-worker. Haven’t met a single UL fan down here.

Man Kentuckyrules, you must work in a real low class profession to be surrounded by UL fans.

Makes me proud to be a lawyer. :)

by JackBluto on Dec 30, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't decide if it's jerky to point this out or not...

but “despised” is misspelled in the headline. I’m sorry if you know and it can’t be changed (or it’s some private joke that I’m simply not understanding!), but I grew up in a family of English teachers, so correcting others’ language use, as rude and know-it-all as I know it is, is a compulsion I sometimes can’t control ;)

Great piece, though! To me, the thing is this: Kentuckians simply care more about college basketball than anyone else, which makes our homegrown rivalry stronger and more interesting than all the rest.

by blue kentucky girl on Dec 30, 2011 9:07 AM EST reply actions  

Ooops

I’m a retired English teacher and I missed it. Good eye. Glenn takes
editing very well!

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro...Hunter S. Thompson

by UK72CatFan on Dec 30, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

It has bothered me for hours bkg. :-)

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Dec 30, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Not jerky at all.

No spell checker for the headline, which sucks. I really need to do something about that tendency, I have done it far too many times.

And it can, and has been changed. Thanks very much for pointing that out, and preventing some douchebag from Louisville from mocking it.

Must … learn… to … spell… check … headlines!!!

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Dec 30, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

a2 tried to let you know last night. : )

I was going to see if I could go in and change it myself (not sure if I could have or not?) but just didn’t get around to it.

by BigSkyCat on Dec 30, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Hah. Guess he didn't get the memo.

I didn’t want some d-bag mocking it either.

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Dec 30, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the rivalry is more intense

because KY doesn’t have any other teams to root for… Sorry to the WKU Alum out there, but UK and UL are the powerhouses in the state. If KY fans had some other teams (Pro football or basketball, for instance) to root for then their attention would be divided a bit. But, since we don’t, all the emotions are poured into these two teams and you get what you get…

Personally, I never liked Denny Crum’s hairdo, but that’s just me…

If your wings don't sweep....

by EagleTDL on Dec 30, 2011 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

I think that is the main thing Eagle

You nailed it. I have heard that reasoning from fans of other teams describing us. It is probably true and I am totally fine with it, just as it is. I still wouldn’t want it any other way.

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Dec 30, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

...and the other Kentucky teams that inspire fan passion

Murray State and Western, are COLLEGE BASKETBALL teams, and historically very good midmajor programs at that. College basketball is our thing, our one thing, in a way that no other state can claim, not even other hoops hotbeds like North Carolina or Indiana. Possibly Kansas has that similar single-minded focus on the sport as well, but no offense to KState, they don’t have the high profile in-state rivalry-among-almost-equals that the state of Kentucky does.

by blue kentucky girl on Dec 30, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

You Ladies bring up good points...

And don’t forget Morehead, bkg. They’ve had some good clubs of late…

And I’ll give our Fearless Leader a plug here, only in reverse. Glenn talks, generally in the spring and summer, of why Kentucky doesn’t produce many quality football players and spins that towards a population per capita thing. Not that many kids in a rural setting so you don’t get the quality of footballers that other states do.

Taking that in reverse, it’s just because of that very population per capita that we are a basketball state. Really, to play hoops, what do you need?? A bucket and ball and one motivated individual! Two players is nice, you can get a reality check on your skill level, but you really only need a ball and bucket. Based on that, it’s much easier for a small/rural school to field a basketball team than it is a football team. So, in the end, we are what we are…

If your wings don't sweep....

by EagleTDL on Dec 30, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Some How I Missed It

Perhaps it’s my age — I find myself resorting to that more often these days — but I have no particular animus toward UL. When I began to follow BB closely, 1951 I think, I was a UK fan because my parents were but I listened regularly to the Peck Hickman-coached Cardinals with Lochmueller, Rollins, et al, and pulled for them to win. During my UK student years UL was, as best as I can recall, a non-entity since they were never an opponent. Hence my disdain for opponents was pretty much limited to SEC and other powers. Later when regular competition with Cards came they were truly just another team to be vanquished and by as large a margin as possible. Pitino was my favorite for a long while and when he elected to come back to the Commonwealth at UL I harbored no excess hostility, still don’t. Pick any SEC team but especially Vols, Vandy and Gators, or choose Duke, UNC, IU, Georgetown or UCLA, and I’d rather defeat them than UL. So be it my age, or the fact that I haven’t lived in KY for 50+ years, or that I’ve never seen a UK-UL game in person, for whatever reason when it comes to this gameI can’t bring myself to the passion level of most UK fans. Go Blue!

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

by Wild Weasel on Dec 30, 2011 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

My experience is similar.

In my house, we rooted for the Cats, but we pulled for the Cards when the two weren’t playing each other.

Pitino going to UL didn’t bother me much, either. I took it as a compliment to the Commonwealth. The man knows he never should have left.

My Louisville In-Laws came to Bowling Green for our annual holiday get-together.

In a very serious and analytical tone, they informed me that UK won’t play any team this year that’s as good as Georgetown.

With my best smile I said that Florida and Miss St. might have something to say about that, and that with Festus, Vandy may have defeated UL on their own lovely floor.

“No, No,” they said, “Georgetown would KILL Florida or Miss St. or Vandy.”

And they might, who knows for sure. It wasn’t the content of their comments that bothered me; it was the pseudo-certainty.

I just let it drop. And my wife loves me.

by bob in bg on Dec 30, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Heh.
I just let it drop. And my wife loves me.

More than worth it, IMO. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Dec 30, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I have always found that a serene, indulgent smile,

like one you would give a toddler doing something naughty but cute, as if you would never stoop to correct something so adorable but obviously wrong…this will drive a yammering rival fan CRAZY. So much more fun to annoy them than to engage in an endless and completely pointless argument.

by blue kentucky girl on Dec 30, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly..

Cannot get through to them anyway, so i just wait for the talking to be done on the court. when the rival fan is so obviously wrong, it usually is not long until you can share a game final…and let that serene, indulgent smile grow even bigger!

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Dec 30, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

As a Kentuckian...

…born and raised in Lexington, attended UK, have been to a number of U0fL games with the Cats, and living in Raleigh, NC just 25 Minutes from Duke & Carolina for the last 21 years, I’d like to think that I’ve got a bit of perspective on both rivalries. I’ve even been to the Dean Dome for a Duke game.

From my point of view, it’s too close to call between the rivalries.

I’ll never forget the reaction I got from Carolina fans after we beat Duke in ’98. I wore a very loud UK sweatshirt the next day and I quit counting at 20 the number of Carolina fans that made it a point to express their delight at the rally to win that game. The conclusion I came to is that Carolina fans hate Duke as much as I despise Lou-ah-vul. Which is to say….one hell of a lot. :^D

American by birth, Kentuckian by the grace of God.

by tom4nash on Dec 30, 2011 5:01 PM EST reply actions  

I have begun to slowly temper my extreme dislike for UNC just a little.

We both share a common bond in hatred of all things Duke. We are definitely two of the best all time programs in basketball. Games between our programs are usually extremely competitive and played with excellent sportsmanship. I still have a way to go to forget such things as the four corners offense and the whining of Dean Smith and Roy Williams but those things seem less important to me as time passes. I guess I am saying I have developed a small amount of respect for their program unlike UL whom I cannot stand in any shape or form.

I am all for people expressing their opinions, as long as they back them up with facts.

by kywineman on Dec 31, 2011 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

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