Stacey Poole Jr.: Daydream Believer?
The curious case and timing of the news that Wildcat shooting guard Stacey Poole Jr. may be transferring from the University of Kentucky has had me thinking over the last two days. Thinking, and pondering, and thinking some more. Thinking about how to write this post without offending either Poole, Stacey Sr. or Stacey Jr. (as everyone knows by now, Poole Sr. has been very outspoken about his desire to see his son transfer from Kentucky), while at the same time offering thoughts that might run contrary to Poole Sr.'s way of thinking. In the end, though, I recognize and appreciate the decision being a family matter.
But, I think I've finally come up with a solution, and it's not begrudging Poole Sr. his right to raise his son the best way he sees fit, rather, I think the way to approach commentary on the subject is to offer my thoughts on what I would do if Poole Jr. were my son (I don't have a son in real life, but I do have three daughters, plus, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night). And what would I tell my talented son who was struggling to earn game minutes at Kentucky? Find out after the jump.
It all begins and ends here -- Poole Sr.'s money quotes in Kyle Tucker's article regarding the potential Poole Jr. transfer:
Poole Sr. said his son is "in love with UK basketball, but at the end of the day, you need to be on the floor. You're not part of UK basketball if you never step on the floor."
"Cal said, 'It just doesn't seem like he's as focused as he should be.'"
"Cal said, 'It'll be all right, that he just has to keep fighting.'"
I can hear it now, my voice shaking with disappointment and maybe a little anger as I relate to my son my conversation with Calipari, "Coach Cal says you're not focusing enough. How in the world can you be in the position you're in and not be totally focused at practice? You are NOT Allen Iverson! But, you have an unbelievable opportunity very few players ever have the chance to take advantage of, and you're throwing it away."
Instead of encouraging a transfer because of a lack of playing time, I would encourage my son to do whatever is necessary to refocus all of his efforts -- from the classroom to the practice floor -- because we all know Cal is NOT GOING TO GIVE MINUTES TO A PLAYER IF THE PLAYER CAN'T OR WON'T EXECUTE HIS DIRECTION IN PRACTICE (repeat if necessary).
I would tell my son that he's in a position to be a very large part of a potentially very special basketball team. With Jon Hood out with a knee injury, Doron Lamb is the only other "2" guard on the team, leaving the door wide open for someone like him to step in and claim those minutes. But, it won't be given to him. He has to want it with all of his heart. He has to prove those minutes are his. He has to leave Calipari with no choice but to play him, because he's busted his butt every day in practice, because he's listened and executed what it is his coach wants. "Son," I would say, "you have the ability, you simply must be focused and 'coachable,' do that, and the chance to earn minutes is right here, right now.
"Leaving? What, are you kidding with that?" I would tell my son, "do you think going to another school is going to magically make your lack of focus disappear? What, you'll suddenly be as focused as MJ if you go to Central Florida? Let's treat the disease (a lack of focus) instead of the symptom (no playing time)," is what I would tell my son if the word "transfer" crossed his lips (the latest intel suggests Poole Jr. is not desirous of a transfer, I'm just trying to make a subtle point to a few, select people).
Furthermore, I would tell my son, "John Calipari is looking for warriors and fighters, he's not looking for players who want to be handed minutes. Look at Josh Harrellson," I would say. "He changed his mindset, he changed his workout habits, he changed his body, and he's now an adored figure in UK basketball lore because he became a beast. He was far from beastly when he arrived, but he became fierce. And son, Harrellson doesn't have in his whole body the basketball ability you have in your pinkie. Don't short-change yourself or your talent, you'll regret it the rest of your life."
I would continue, because I want to bury, deep, into my son's brain this truth -- "Everyone, or everyone worth working with or for, is going to expect and demand your very best effort. Whether the performance evaluator be a basketball coach, or one's workplace superior, half-effort and half-focus will not result in glowing reviews. It will, though, result in disappointing paychecks, or in this case, disappointing minutes." The lesson learned, I would tell my son: "if you run now, you'll be running your entire life."
As I ended my talk with my son, I can see myself leaning closer to him and asking with great anticipation, and quite possibly a very slight, inquisitive smirk, "You're at the University of Kentucky. Did you think it was going to be easy?
"Easy for you is the Atlantic Sun, not Kentucky. At Kentucky, you have to want it with all your heart, it has to be a burning, consuming desire and passion. And with that desire comes focus, which will lead you to your boyhood daydreams, daydreams you can believe in ... as long as you don't get sideways along the way."
I"m sure my pretend son would then laugh at me and say, "Dad, you're so full-of-it sometimes." But later, when he's older, he'll realize I'm right.
Thanks for reading and Go 'Cats!
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I have a feeling ...
… that this is the how the conversation is going to go … only in reverse, with Poole Jr. explaining this to his father.
His father’s going to try to get Poole Jr. to quit, to give up, to go elsewhere where minutes are easier. I think Jr. is going to say, “But that’s not what I want, dad, that’s what YOU want. I want to figure it out right here, where I am.”
In the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t matter if Poole stays or goes. He’ll get an opportunity somewhere for both a free education and to play Division I basketball. 99% of all Americans his age would love to be in his shoes, no matter where he ends up. Kentucky will be fine, and Poole Jr. should be fine.
Good article, Ken. We’ll see how it goes.
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Nice!
His father’s going to try to get Poole Jr. to quit, to give up, to go elsewhere where minutes are easier. I think Jr. is going to say, "But that’s not what I want, dad, that’s what YOU want. I want to figure it out right here, where I am."
Sure hope that’s the way it goes…
If your wings don't sweep....
Good points all ...
It’s no wonder Poole is filled with some self-doubt. Hope he stays … it would be a turning point for him, I think. Wish him the best no matter what he decides to do.
Even if he does not play much,
if he stays at Kentucky, he will have a better chance to be drafted than if he goes most anywhere else.
History
Of all the Cats who transferred
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/playertransferfromuk.html most did not find the Glory Road elsewhere.
Thanks for that list, Forty
The only one I recall who it really worked out for was Bob Brannum. He had a tough time getting to play at UK in a similar situation.
Michael Bradley
Didn’t check all statistics but not sure they’re an accurate metric, although 20.8 and 9.8 are better than respectable. Also a first-round draft pick by Toronto. Did much better with ’Nova Cats than the Smith Cats.
"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
Disagree
He improved by taking a redshirt year to lift weights and grow stronger, not by transferring.
He wanted to shoot more 3-pt FGA like Larry Bird. He shot about 30 as Villanova Sr.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 4, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Link To His Villanova Bio
http://www.villanova.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/bradley_michael00.html
Started every game (over future NBA star Jamaal Magloire) as soph in 1998-99 and set FG % record at UK.
Played behind future NBA stars Nazr Mohammed and Magloire as frosh in 1997-98.
Wanted to play PF not C so he transferred to Villanova.
He played C at Villanova and in the NBA. Guess he was wrong about PF skills.
Fizzled out in NBA after a few years. Magloire and Mohammed went on to longer NBA careers so they were the right choice at C for UK over Bradley.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 4, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Bob (Red) Tallent
He made A-A at George Washington U.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 4, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the updated info on the other players
I knew Dwight Anderson, Rod Rhodes, LeRon Ellis, and Erik Manual (Oklahoma City, DII) had productive careers after transferring, but probably Brannum and Bradley did the best.
Bradley Made The Right Move
He would have played second fiddle behind Jamaal Magloire and Marvin Stone at UK.
The UK coaches were correct in using him at C (not PF). Villanova coaches used him at C. NBA coaches used him at C.
Bradley actually wanted to be released from his NLOI in 1997 when Pitino left but CM Newton refused. Probably better (for both) had he granted the request then.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 5, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares
who cares who’s making the decision. If Poole leaves he leaves. Is he the only one who left a situation hoping to better himself in another? I have left jobs hoping to better myself does that make me a quitter? I love Kentucky basketball as much as anyone but its not a perfect situation for everyone. If Poole as the talent to make it in the NBA it doesn’t matter were he goes he make it. good luck in whatever you do Poole
Welcome to A Sea of Blue.
Poole Jr. is an adult. But if he is willing to let his father dictate where he plays, that’s a decision he’s entitled to make.
With that said, I think you’re right that it doesn’t matter whether he stays or goes. He’ll be getting a free education and an opportunity to play basketball here or somewhere else, and there are a lot of people who would love that opportunity.
There’s really no “bad” decision here, but I’d be concerned if Poole Jr. is forced to do something against his wishes. That’s an ethical issue that I’ve already addressed at some length.
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No matter what the decision may be, I hope they come to it together
and it works out best for the kid. He is a big time talent, and I think he can accomplish a lot if in the right circumstances.
Best wishes to him, whatever he decides.
I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Nov 4, 2011 7:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nice article Ken...
But later, when he’s older, he’ll realize I’m right.
This is the mindset I have with my boy, now 19… My biggest fear is that he’ll come back to me one and say “Dad, why didn’t you tell me about this??”
Just hope the Poole’s can work everything out to their satisfacation.
If your wings don't sweep....
The old Mark Twain quote fits
“When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in 7 years.”
by NYCCats on Nov 4, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
tell it all, brother......tell it all......
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Nov 4, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Glad you liked the article, Eagle
and yes, I hope the young man is able to find some peace, somewhere, whether at UK or elsewhere.
Transferring may be best for him
It may not be about the chance at the NBA at all. It may simply be about playing and being a bigger part of the team, rather than just a practice player and pine rider. I would have been more than happy with that – but I had no talent and I grew up in Kentucky. Stacey has a couple years left to play. If he wants to opportunity he should get it. If he stays he might get an opportunity next year, but if the NBA forces a 2-and-done rule that is out the window. Guys like Gillie and Beckham are going to take the minutes that would have been available to him this year. I hope Stacey does what is best for him and that he has great success with it. There will be no hard feelings here, whatever he does.
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Well said
I think Kentucky fans automatically assume that being here is the best situation for any basketball player, and that being a bench player here is infinitely better than being a starter somewhere else.
You can put it on the board....YES.
Let me be clear
No where in this article do I intimate, in any way, that Poole would be better off sitting the bench at UK rather than playing minutes somewhere else. The exact opposite is true. One of the points of the article was to point out that he would enjoy playing time if he’ll only focus more and take the coaching he’s been given. Not that he should be happy sitting on the bench.
I read from time to time
comments that players who stay all four years really don’t have the talent level to make it to the NBA. While this is probably true for the vast majority, there are those players who have the talent but have not developed it to full potential neither physically nor mentally. Some people just mature more slowly. Poole Jr. has a unique opportunity to develop to his highest possibility. He has the best to practice against and coaches who know how to bring that ability out in him. Harrelson is the perfect example. He took advantage of the situation by his own efforts and it paid off. Some may say if Poole Jr. is lucky and he stays, he may have a similar opportunity. I define luck as when preparation meets opportunity. As a senior he could well be playing very meaningful minutes and catch the attention of the NBA scouts. Meanwhile he is part of a very special group of individuals and if that truly means something for him, I hope he stays. If not, he should find his best opportunity elsewhere.
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I heard luck as ...
when skill and opportunity meet :).
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by kentuckyrules on Nov 4, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
OR..........
the harder I work, the luckier I get!
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by bigbill992001 on Nov 5, 2011 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Darius Miller may fit that MO as well .... he's a senior now and he's had his ups and downs ...
but, through it all Darius keeps on fighting, he’s gotten better every year … he’ll probably wind up giving up playing time to some of these freshmen as well … but, by playing hard in practice and working on his game – I think he could be a late first round or early second round pick … Hope he has the gang buster year we’ve all been waiting for.
Hang on here.... you mean to tell me that Calipari/ "the Kentucky effect" couldn't turn this young man into a Lottery pick?

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by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Nov 4, 2011 10:08 AM EDT reply actions
You must believe for it to work, Chuck
Ya gotta have faith
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Nov 5, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Poole, JR.
Cal must have seen something in Poole when he signed him and that hasn’t come to the front since he has been at Ky. If it had he would be playing so if the young man can’t do the job he was signed to do then he needs to go where he fits better. If he goes somewhere else and becomes a good player then Ky wasn’t for him or if he doesn’t make it in college then he didn’t try hard enough, it’s his, not daddy’s decision.
I would tell my son-
When he was frustrated and in a hitting slump in Little League…. “If it was easy, everybody would do it”…
"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"
+1
I should have included your line after, “You’re at the University of Kentucky. Did you think it was going to be easy?”
Couple Of Points
Nice mini-drama there, KH, but it appears that it was written more from a UK fan’s perspective (what you’d like to happen) than that of the typical father who despite protestations otherwise wants to live vicariously through his progeny — either by achieving dreams the father couldn’t or, in this case, continuing the father’s past performance. Or as Santayana so aptly noted:
"Parents lend children their experience and a vicarious memory; children endow their parents with a vicarious immortality"
Second not enough has been mentioned regarding Shelley Poole, Jr.‘s mother. Having reared two sons reasonably well I can say without equivocation that their mother had more to do with it than I, and I doubt that such an important decision as that facing the Poole’s would be made without momma’s input. In fact I can see that the whole dissatisfaction could have begun with complaints from son to momma and then her insisting that dad address the situation.
On the positive side isn’t it refreshing to see an African-American young man have a strong father present rather than the all too familiar mother, grandmother or other female relative?
On the lighter side, maybe Jr.’s problems are the result of the embarrassing missed dunk during the Derby Classic? Nah, probably not.
"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
by Wild Weasel on Nov 4, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The entire point of this article was not to try and get the kid to stay,
or say that he would be dumb to transfer, etc, etc. I wanted to bring focus onto what Cal has said previously, and evidently said to Poole Sr. recently, which is that the problem with Poole Jr. is a lack of focus and not following direction as well as he should (this is what dogged him last year). Solve that very solvable problem and voila, he’ll begin to see playing time.
His problems (no playing time) at UK are not related to his talent, they are related to his head, and what goes on inside it. And if it was my kid who was having such a problem at a place like UK, the above is exactly what I would say to him.
WW
You do make an interesting point about the mother.
As far as son complaining to mom; Poole has steadfastly said he loves being at Kentucky, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t offer up disappointment at not playing to mom.
Ken
First things first. That baby is growing like a weed and pretty as a picture. Now about your article. I liked it a lot. IMHO Mr Poole is trying to pressure Cal through us. It won’t work and it should not put the young man in the middle. I’ve read all my life “I would rather sit on the bench at UK than start any where else” Time to produce or get off the bench. Good Day Ken.
Thanks for the nice words about Carly.
She is indeed growing, she turned 2 on Nov. 2nd. Seems like yesterday we brought her home from the hospital.
Very interesting take on Poole Sr, and one a few of my friends and I have discussed. I just hope the young man has a productive college career, whether here or somewhere else, because he is talented.
I’ll shoot you an email when I find out for certain, but I’m pretty sure I’m going to be at the Marshall County Hoopfest this year doing color for iHigh/Wazoo. I’ll let you know, maybe you can come out and have a coke and a hot dog with me or something.
Take care, OC
If my son is ever in this situation, here are my questions:
1. Are you happy and having fun?
2. Are you on track to get your degree, or is not playing making you lose focus in school?
3. Can you work harder and get on the court?
4. Do you think you have a better chance of playing pro basketball if you leave here?
Honest answers to those would yield a good decision.
ALS
by Alex Scutchfield on Nov 5, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions
UK Has Averaged 25% To 30% Transfers Over The Years (Post WW2 Until Today)
UK is definitely not the right place for everyone.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 5, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Jon Scott List Incomplete
UK freshmen from WW2 until 1972 are not included on his list because they never played on the varsity.
Many examples but take 1965 class. Only 1 (Argento) of 5 Kittens (Ratliff, Hall, Guter, Hiles) played varsity. None of the other 4 are counted as UK transfers by Jon Scott.
At least 2 per year (average) over those 25 years transferred as UK freshmen.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 5, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Most Did
A few didn’t.
Rarely did a scholarship player drop the spot hand and stay at UK.
In 1966, Travis Butler and Mort Fraley transferred before they reached varsity. Ditto Steve Schmitt in 1967 and Jim Jarrell in 1968.
The 1962-63 Kittens lost 2 stars to transfer after the season.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 5, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
And then theres the ... dreaded college degree
How about this from Stacey Sr.:
You are here to get an education and a degree so that the rest of your life you will be able to provide nicely for a family (without the blood, sweat, and toil of a ditch digger), play some basketball for a legendary program (which in and of itself will enhance those opportunities until you die), make life long friends, and have some fun. Enjoy your life each and every day and give it 100%. If you never start, play a little, and manage to stay on the team for 4 years: You have been a tremendous success! By the way son… I love you. Do whatever you think will make YOU the happiest.
mostdiggity
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