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Kentucky Wildcats Football: A Word or Three on Joker

As some of you may have noticed, I've been on hiatus for a couple of weeks.  I'm back just in time to go over what is one of my favorite sports weekends of the year.  The last weekend of November and first weekend in December have replaced bowl season as my favorite time period in college football.  We'll see a lot of great games today and tomorrow, starting with the Arkansas Razorback- LSU Tiger tilt, on through the Iron Bowl, several PAC-10 rivalry games, to Stanford Cardinal-Notre Dame Fighting Irish.  

Tomorrow marks a chance for the Kentucky Wildcats to break a 26 year losing streak against the Tennessee Volunteers. If some rumors are to be believed, it is do or die time for Joker Phillips, and it is possible he won't last the weekend at UK. Some words about this. First, I know nothing, and have in fact heard nothing.  The only things I've heard are things said publicly by mainstream media, and no one is actually reporting anything.  Here is what I think, though:  It is naive to think that someone on behalf of UK has not reached out to certain potential coaching targets.  Even if it isn't official, powerful people with Mitch Barnhart's ear are working angles somewhere.  Another piece to the puzzle is Joker's buyout.  The UKAA isn't going to want to pay for that out of pocket, so any plan to oust Joker would also involve raising huge booster cash.  This money might be gratuitously offered. That is one thing I have heard rumblings about, nothing I'd put in print except to say the version I heard indicates that money is in place if needed.  

On the other hand, I'm starting to wonder how big of a deal the buyout is at this point.  If changes aren't made in the football program, its looking like 2012 will be an attendance disaster.  That is one factor Barnhart and Co. cannot ignore. If UK can get the right coach in here, it might recoup its $3.4 million investment by avoiding canceled season tickets.   

Star-divide

You can now count me among those who don't believe Joker is going to have success as Kentucky's Football coach. I've seen enough. From the BBVA Compass Bowl on into this season, there have been too many disappearing acts and too many gaping holes that need to be filled. Our team began the season woefully unprepared to play football and never really recovered.  When Morgan Newton sacked himself against WKU, we've all should have realized this was going to be a long year.  When the coaches started playing the "we don't have enough talent" card in the middle of the year, my eyebrows raised.  I was ready to chalk this season up to a ridiculous lack of offensive talent, though, and move on prior to the Vandy game.

Along with my son, I traveled down to Nashville to watch that game, leaving my house at 6:30 in the blessed AM.  What I saw was hard to put into words.  It wasn't so much that UK had quit as it appeared they didn't plan on playing football that day.  It's hard to imagine a worse outcome if Max Smith had called his own plays.  It wasn't a lack of effort, it was a lack of being a football team.  It was weird.

I just don't think the program can recover from that. The Vandy loss is extra tough to swallow because it is proof positive that coaching can make a difference.  James Franklin has made a difference in that program.  Has to have.  In 2010, Vandy had to be one of the worst SEC teams in recent memory.  Its hard to believe they could improve enough to beat us like that.  They did.  

So, I am in favor of UK letting Joker go if, and this is a big if, Kentucky has a suitable replacement ready to go. I'm pessimistic about this.  In the past couple of days, I've taken to the message boards to see what all the "rumors" supposedly are.  While there, I was struck at how unrealistic some fans are about who would come in here.  One thread suggested Boise St.'s Chris Peterson.  That guy could probably have all but 10 of the D1 jobs right now just by asking. He could have left for greener pastures years ago.  I'd love to see Houston's Kevin Sumlin, but I'm not even sure he'd leave there for Kentucky.  Gus Malzahn would be one to get a call, but he reportedly turned down Vandy and a truckload of cash last year, so that might not be realistic either.  

Of course, Mike Leach's name comes up over and over.  As I mentioned at the beginning of the story, I'm sure someone has talked to him and Barnhart has a good idea of where his interest lies.  Leach may be radioactive, both because he is suing his former employer and because he could be tough to deal with.  

Finally, there is the issue of money.  Coming to terms might be tougher than you think.  Joker was at his alma mater, and wasn't exactly fighting off other school that were offering gigs.  Anyone else who comes into this situation will want more than Joker's $1.7million.  And if they are willing to work for less, they probably are the person you are looking for.

If Kentucky can't get the right guy now, we are better off supporting Joker and hoping he can scrap together a better team in 2012. I'm certain that without real improvement, that will be his last.

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Mr. SEC: WWJD

Hypothesis of James Franklin to UK. More humor than conjecture.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

by Wild Weasel on Nov 25, 2011 4:31 PM EST reply actions  

Roark At QB

KSR reports that Matt Roark has taken a significant amount of snaps this week.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

by Wild Weasel on Nov 25, 2011 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

Well.

That would be fun. You know, that sets up just the kind of improbable scenario legends are made from. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Nov 25, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I would ordinarily agree

with the three years to get it going, except in this case he has been an integral part of the program for several years and this was supposed to be a seamless transition to keep a program on the rise moving in the right direction. Frankly Joker’s tenure has been just that, a joke.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Nov 25, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

True.

We’ll see what happens. I wonder if this will all go on the back burner after this week – and given everyone will be interested in basketball and just don’t want to think about football.

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by GriffinRC on Nov 25, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

He's toast........Maybe not fired yet, but he is toast.

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Nov 26, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

With a terrible showing

against Tennessee today, he will be burnt toast.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Nov 26, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't have a clue but what's it going to take?

Not being an expert on football, I have no opinion to express about this. But I would love to see UK develop a football program that can contend for the BCS title every now and then. What the heck is it going to take?

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by SD_UK_FAN on Nov 25, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be nice, but it isn't a rational notion.

It would seem that UK has the financial resources to do this, but as many have explained with substantial factual support, the structure of the UK athletic department combined with a number of factors including the reality that the university is never going to rob from the basketball program to raise up football make it all but impossible.

It would require a divine intervention on the level of walking out into your back yard and discovering the lost Ark of the Covenant sitting among the petunias.

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by Glenn Logan on Nov 26, 2011 7:38 AM EST up reply actions  

How about just an ark in Williamstown, KY? You never know...

Sorry – had to throw that in there. I don’t know where that project is but I hope they build it just so I can see it once.

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by GriffinRC on Nov 26, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Not too keen on them building it

on my tax dollars.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Nov 26, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Divine intervention or

managing to sign 11 or 12 Cobb’s in one season of recruiting.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Nov 26, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

My problem with Joker right now is that it seems

players are not getting better under him. Under Brooks and his staff, players developed better over the years it seems. Joker got rid of a lot of those coaches so he could get guys that recruited better. But 3 star guys across the board is not going to get it done in the SEC if they don’t improve their play each year in the system. I don’t think anybody should get fired after two years on the job unless there is bad things going on behind the scene like it was with Billy G. I will admit it has been hard to watch these guys this year and next year probably won’t be much better. The bottom line is, Joker is a UK guy and worked his way up to this job and UK needs to give him an opportunity to turn it around.

by Grasslands1 on Nov 25, 2011 7:10 PM EST reply actions  

The Big Question

How much revenue would UK lose by keeping Joker vs letting him go?Leach may be “toxic”,but he really is a perfect fit at UK.What would UK lose in hiring Leach?

by Zoso- on Nov 25, 2011 7:12 PM EST reply actions  

Alex, you outline two scenarios -

“get the right guy” or “supporting Joker and hoping he can scrap together a better team in 2012” I’m afraid you’re leaving out the the third, and most likely scenario – keep Joker and lose all support for UK football. For now that is our path. The question is – Is anything going to be done about it?.
The future of UK football for the next 5 – 10 years is at a crossroads and mitch/BOT/UKAA need to be proactive or the rest of the SEC is going to start grumbling about UK getting our share of the TV money.
You’re dead on about “a lack of being a football team”. I haven’t seen a “team” hit the field since Joker became Head Coach.

War is God's way of teaching Americans geography. - Ambrose Bierce

by hoboat33 on Nov 25, 2011 7:18 PM EST reply actions  

Doesn't take much

Alex, have to agree with you-Joker’s time is done. How many times have we seen a coaching change have an immediate positive impact? From the days of John L. Smith at Louisville, to Franklin at Vandy, Mumme back in the day at UK…, and the list goes on. Joker has had the same kind of impact, but in the opposite direction. Where else have we seen this? Most recently, Ron Cooper at Louisville. Tom Jurich could plainly see the writing on the wall, took the heat, and bought out Cooper’s contract-the rest is history.
We should have learned from CM Newton that you can’t back the same horse for too long-Mitch needs to be proactive and make Joker a wealthy unemployed former head coach before he finds himself sitting in a mostly-empty Commonwealth Stadium.

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by dwsmokin on Nov 25, 2011 7:55 PM EST reply actions  

This team...

is awful under Joker so far. The playcalling is awful. The conservative nature just doesn’t work for teams who are undermatched. When you are a 30 point underdog you have to take more chances.

I get the feeling he’ll still be here next year, and the team will be a 1,2,3 win team or so and then we’ll be on the lookout for a coach. But then again I’m terrible at predictions.

by Clint Phelps on Nov 25, 2011 11:39 PM EST reply actions  

I think you are being

overly optimistic.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Nov 26, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Joker was just not ready to be a head coach......

and frankly I do not think he ever will be…….

not demanding enough of himself, his staff, nor his kids,

And unwilling to see the forest for the trees……vision is one of the biggest traits a Head Football Coach must have, any Head coach of any sport for that matter…..joker does not have that, or he cannot convey that to others, one of the two.

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Nov 26, 2011 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

Good post Alex-

For some reason I think that Joker will be back next year. I usually believe that you have to give a football coach at least three years mininum, to see what they can produce. This year’s squad has looked really bad in almost every SEC game, except Ole Miss. They have a chance against a very average UT team tomorrow. If we somehow could end this awful streak against Tennessee, I think Joker would look better in most UK supporters eyes… GO CATS! BEAT UT!

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by iam4ukintn on Nov 26, 2011 12:37 AM EST reply actions  

No thanks

A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!

by KansasUKCat on Nov 26, 2011 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah

Can’t trust anybody that dresses like Mr. Rogers and talks like a saint but acts like a felon.

War is God's way of teaching Americans geography. - Ambrose Bierce

by hoboat33 on Nov 26, 2011 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

2 cents...

I do have to wonder exactly what Rich Brooks would have done this year with losing basically every single offensive playmaker. I suppose he may have signed some difference makers, but that stuff is an absolute crapshoot.

by Caban on Nov 26, 2011 2:56 AM EST reply actions  

A point most of us have forgotten ...

… is that Joker did the recruiting during Brooks’ years. So any playmakers Brooks signed would have been recruited by Phillips.

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by Glenn Logan on Nov 26, 2011 7:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Which also serves as one of the reasons that this "falloff" was not only

unnecessary, but preventable. If Phillips can recruit the talent to get it done the last few years, then why not now?

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Nov 26, 2011 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Head recruiter to head coach transition

There is a lot involved in that transition. Not as much time to focus on recruiting because he has other things to deal with. Also I think there has been a shift in the type of players that Phillips wants vs. what Brooks wanted. Didn’t Phillips put more emphasis on speed (vs. size) when he took over? And, even though the recruiting was marshalled by Phillips under Brooks, the head coach was Brooks who was a proven coach in the eyes of some recruits.

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by GriffinRC on Nov 26, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

See, that's the kind of eyes wide shut, pie-in-the-sky thinking that drives me nuts.

The fall-off is inevitable. Early losses, players that don’t pan out, players getting hurt, etc., etc. all play in to the fall-off. Kentucky has been really lucky, as much as good, over the last five years not to have major injuries to players like Woodson, Keenan Burton and Raphael Little, among others, and to have multiple experienced playmakers available.

Luck eventually runs out. Kentucky is always, always a marginal team that depends, to some extent, on good fortune for success, and the avoidance of major injuries. Three years ago, when Newton was recruited to Kentucky, everybody was clamoring for him to play right away. He was the New Messiah, and Aaron Boyd his right-hand man. If all that had worked out as planned, who knows where we would be?

But sometimes plans fail, and players don’t live up to their recruiting promise. It’s far less likely when you recruit nothing but top 100 players like Florida or Alabama, but it even happens to them.

Seasons like this are not really preventable, much like the common cold. If you engage in life, you are going to get a cold. If you engage in football, you are going to have bad seasons. Even if Kentucky loses today, their record is only 1.5 games worse than their average over the last 3 years.

This is a problem endemic to all football teams to a greater or lesser extent. When you recruit 3* players who normally aren’t ready to really make an impact until their junior year, the opportunity for bad seasons rises dramatically.

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by Glenn Logan on Nov 26, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't see anything unusual

about recruiting a player for whom you have great expectations only to see him fail to achieve your hopes for him. What I worry about is a coaching staff who stays with the failure until the ship goes down.

People will argue that the staff responds to what they see in practice. I don’t have much faith that this staff sees much of anything in practice, certainly not the potential of players to perform better under different schemes. This lost season, in my opinion, is far more a failure of coaching that of the players.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Nov 26, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

You live on the razor's edge......youre gonna get cut......

I’m sorry,…..but we pay coaches to stay away from the abyss, not ride along it’s edge in hopes of catching lightning in a bottle like Randall Cobb.

Joker knew that Newton was a flop, he knew that he had no viable backup last year, and that was when the problem should have been recognized.

I am tired of rationalizations, explanations, and excuses…..from everyone trying to make apple pie out if a bag of smashed raisins on the side of the road.

It’s not getting done, period. Joker is not getting the job done, period.

Up until last year, he was getting paid to recruit the talent to keep us winning, he evidently didn’t do that. All we keep doing is making excuses and coming up with reasons not to get the job done.

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Nov 26, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

UT is playing with the chance to go to one of the lowest tier bowl's today - now that is some motivation

Reminds me of what UK has been doing for the last ten years under the Brooks/Joker (CIW) tandem, hoping that by winning that sixth game we could make another mediocre season look successful.

Fire Joker – hire a toxic Mike Leach and he’ll turn this program around and at least make the team exciting to watch again. UK was a fun team to watch and the media loved us back in the Mumme days – we could at least score points.

Leach would probably sign for for the same deal that Joker has – throw in some monetary incentives for reaching certain goals – number of wins and higher quality bowls. Get on with it and and announce Mike’s hiring before Christmas – what a present for the UK FB fans.

A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!

by KansasUKCat on Nov 26, 2011 8:04 AM EST reply actions  

Many people considered John Calipari "toxic"

and so far giving him a chance has worked out well. Why not take a chance in football? Tressel, Joe Pa, many other established and respected coaches have fallen. Leach has had problems but hopefully would welcome a fresh start and would definitely instill some hope in the fan base. Joker has lost more than a season, he has lost the confidence of the fans and that is pretty toxic in and of itself.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Nov 26, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

And unlike Tressel or Papa Joe - ESPN brought on all of Leach's problems

I’m absolutely certain, at least in my mind, that Craig James was trying to coverup what his pansy son Adam accused Leach of doing. Hell Leach may have done it trying to make a man of him and found it was impossible to achieve.

A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!

by KansasUKCat on Nov 26, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

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