Old Dominion Monarchs @ Kentucky Wildcats (2): Postmortem
The Old Dominion Monarchs took on the Kentucky Wildcats in the Naismith Hall of Fame Tip-Off Classic today at noon. Due to an early-morning flight, I managed to oversleep and miss the first half of the game. That's weird enough, but it would get weirder when I began watching the second half of this one.
First of all, we have to congratulate Old Dominion on a fine basketball game, by far the toughest challenge Kentucky has received. They were physical and disciplined, and the physicality really made it tough on Kentucky's freshmen, who are still soft as butter compared to the hardened ODU inside warriors. ODU may not be as talented, but they were a lot tougher inside than UK, and they really took it to us. Nice, quality effort by the Monarchs.
With all that said, Kentucky played a very poor game offensively, but some of that was due to the fact that UK has not seen a 3-2 zone like ODU employs all year, and it really took the Wildcats out of their rhythm on offense. Kentucky also shot the ball poorly from the perimeter when they did get good looks, and showed a lack of discipline and self-control when the game got chippy in a flurry of technical fouls.
But then, Darius Miller asserted himself, calmly taking over the offensive initiation from Marquis Teague, who played much of the game out of control and confused by the toughness of ODU. Miller began dropping dimes and making clutch shots, and as he took the pressure off of Teague when the game got close, Teague began to recover and play better, scoring a number of clutch baskets late in the second half that were badly needed.
Anthony Davis, who had frustrated ODU's efforts to score inside, got into foul trouble and fouled out with 4:03 left in the game. Kyle Wiltjer was unable to guard the post against the stronger and more physical Monarchs, and the game got to within one point at 50-49. That's when Miller began to assert himself as a 6'7" point guard, and Terrence Jones and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist began to wipe the defensive glass and toughen up on ODU's inside play. Combined with Teague's penetration in transition, it was too much for the Monarchs to overcome.
Superlatives (Disclaimer -- I didn't see the first half, so my comments will be purely based on what I did see):
- Darius Miller struggled scoring yesterday, but today he defended, rebounded, and scored as well as dropping five sweet dimes, all of which were critical to Kentucky's success. In short, Miller played like a senior and played like a leader. Game ball.
- Michael Kidd-Gilchrist had another good game, and deserves an honorable mention. 13 points and 9 rebounds is all you can ask of a player like him, and he gave great defensive effort as well. Turnovers were a problem for him today.
- Anthony Davis had a pretty good game despite fouling out. Nine big rebounds to go along with 11 points and three blocks.
- Terrence Jones played badly on offense, but that didn't stop him from having a major impact on the game. He blocked five shots and had eight rebounds, many of both happening in the second half at crunch time. Forget the 3-10 shooting, and keep in mind that he really manned up when the game got close. Jones has got to finish better through contact.
- Eloy Vargas gets to go here. I thought he did some good things in limited minutes. He has toughened up a little, and that was good to see.
Not so superlatives:
- Marquis Teague falls in here today because he looked so out-of-control so often, but the kid made big plays down the stretch. Four assists against six turnovers is not going to garner much praise from me for a point guard, and he and Calipari are clearly not communicating well, I suspect because Teague isn't listening. He will start, or expect to see more of Lamb/Miller at the point than Teague.
- Doron Lamb is here because he didn't shoot well. His job is to shoot well. He didn't play that badly, though, particularly in relief of Teague.
- Kyle Wiltjer was great yesterday, not so great today. He had trouble with the stronger, more aggressive ODU forwards and wasn't making shots, or free throws.
Conclusion
Overall, I think UK needed this game. The 'Cats have not been physically challenged yet, even by Kansas, to the level they were today by ODU. It revealed a number of weaknesses in Kentucky's team, and also revealed some alternative strategies that Calipari can employ to offset a surprisingly tough challenge, #1 among them was how well Miller can initiate the offense.
Wiltjer, Davis and even Jones have got to learn to finish through contact. The whole team has got to stop missing free throws -- they have no excuse. This team has good shooting form from front to back, and 59% free throw shooting is simply unacceptable -- UK left five points out there because they didn't shoot a reasonable percentage from the line.
In the end, it was a victory I will take, and I'm sure Coach Cal is pleased to have this game to dissect on tape, it will be a great instructional video for the team. Overall, there is more positive than negative to say, and I really loved Kentucky's response when the game got tight. That's how you do it.
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Great recap, Glenn.
We MUST work on free-throw shooting or Blue Orleans? Will not happen. It’s called the charity stripe for a reason, leaving easy points on the table is simply not acceptable.
Cal has a lot to work with from this tape. So do our future opponents. I have faith that Cal will use it to do some serious course correction before UNC.
Kudos to ODU. They’re a great team, and pushed us around A LOT. We’ll be hearing more about them throughout the season, and fully expect to see them with a punched dance ticket come March.
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Today we saw the blueprint for how to play Kentucky.....tough pressing man to man
up the court, followed by a collapsing 2-3 or 3-2 zone assuming your guys do not scare and dont mind playing a physical game.
Anthony Davis needs to eat, and lift and eat and lift, and eat and lift some more. He needs to not only bulk up, but to toughen up and fight through defenders and lousy calls.
And speaking of calls, while I will not be screaming any more at my TV using my best descriptive language of each and every situation, I will say this. While I understand what the new lane arch brings to the game, either the referees do not yet fully get it, or the coaches and players dont. I have never seen so many charges called in my life. So either we do not know how to coach and run a drive, or the referees no longer know how to call a charge.
An explanation of the exact point they were trying to make might be in order when after the technical they called at least 5 stupid whistles for nothing more than bumps or nonexistent hand checks. While I can appreciate the referees trying to maintain control of the game, they not only did that, they changed the tempo of the game in ODU’s favor.
And when you add that to the uneducated high school announcers that ESPN used for this tournament, I found the entire weekend to be somewhat offensive to my sensitive palate. So I guess we take the W’s and go on.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Nov 20, 2011 3:16 PM EST reply actions
The Announcers
I agree they were not quite up to the job. I even heard a reference to hockey at one point!
Point Guard-A Problem
What part of Point Guard U & the godfather of teaching that position does Teague not get? I don’t remember Brandon Knight being taken out of the game & to be seen arguing with CoachCal afterwards. Does Teague really think he’s that good at this so very early stage of his career? He’s out of control most of the time, he makes very poor decisions when he gets into traffic & I saw today that he can be goaded into perhaps getting thrown out of a game at a very critical part. Coach has got to get thru to him, what his role is & to calm him down considerably. The best remedy a coach has for that is more bench time.
A win but not very impressive from my viewpoint. I know, I know they’ll get better but it’s going to be tough to watch for a while.
Heh.
I hear ya.
You have to like how they competed when the game got tough, though. No, it wasn’t pretty basketball, but ODU really brought what they had. They earned their status as the team to play UK toughest so far.
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I Did
But I credit Miller more for that than Teague. He really settled the team down & did a good job of initiating the offense.
No doubt about that.
Miller got my game ball for a reason. And Teague needs to shut up and listen, just like you implied.
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I am not sold on Teague just yet....
He comes across a little different than Wall and Knight. Not as gifted as Wall, and doesn’t have the attitude of Knight. Teague needs more coaching than those two guys. And Teague needs to accept the coaching. If he does that, than the sky is the limit. I am not sold on him doing that just yet. I think we might see him riding the pine a little more than we would have expected at the start of the season.
Too early on Teague
Today was ugly no question but we are talking about Teague’s 4th game as a college player who happens to be playing the toughest position on the floor. This may be Point Guard U but he is a freshman. He did make some plays late.
by maysvilleblue on Nov 20, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
He really showed his talent on a couple of plays.
He is just unguardable when he takes it to the hole. He is so quick and strong.
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Oh I think the talent is there...
Just like you said Glenn, he is so quick and strong. I think it is more mental with him. He needs coaching.
We have just been spoiled lately
Teague has raw talent where both Wall and Knight were more polished and mature to begin with so their growing pains didnt seem as large.
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I agree
That’s the first time since Cal has been here that watching the point play was difficult. JW was a lot like Teague but he had an extra gear, Brandon was much more under control. Teague is going to be great, IF HE LISTENS. He didn’t appear to listen much today.
Fantastic Recap
I hadn’t found this website before today, but I’ve been a rabid Cats fan (is there any other kind?) for years. Just wanted to thank you for some of the most insightful UK commentary anywhere. Much better than ESPN, Jerry Tipton, John Clay etc.
I think Teague is going to need to start to continue to get the reps he needs to succeed in March. Kentucky isn’t playing to dominate in every game, they’re trying to build the best team to win Number 8. I think this team needs Teague to be very good, if not great, to compete against UNC when it counts four months from now.
That said, this team, like seemingly all of Calipari’s teams has had problems with the zone. They have the perimeter game this year, they just need to figure it out.
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Cal said he hasn’t installed the zone offense yet, and that is, in accounting-speak, “consistent with prior years.” :-)
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Howdy, neighbor!
(from Northern Virginia) I think you’re going to like it here. Glenn and the gang do a great job. And they keep the crazies out. Well, that’s not quite right. : ) Let’s just say you won’t have to suffer trolls or haters or the idiocy you usually see elsewhere. It’s a nice place to be.
I used to go to Grevey's
when there were no other options. I live nearby. But nowadays I can see all our games on cable or on the interwebs. Might be nice to go back and watch a game with a bunch of cheering UK fans. Instead of yelling at the TV and scaring the cat.
Man I feel bad for you guys in the DC area.
I was in Richmond for 13 years and loved it, though. Now in Dallas and love it here, too.
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I Won't Question Cal But...
I’m tired of getting bounced from the tourney because our offense only excels against man to man. He’s one of the only guys out there that could handle this job, but please teach a zone offense. Teague in particular needs to learn, I don’t know, how to play 2 minutes without throwing the ball to the other team.
And thanks for the warm welcome!
Most welcome.
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This year, thankfully, we have more options against the zone. Keep in mind that if UK had Doron Lamb versus West Virginia, that outcome probably would have been a little different. Well, maybe not the Doron Lamb of today, though … :-)
I think this will motivate Cal to install the zone offense sooner rather than later. I’ll have more to say about that later.
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He Has To
Now that a weakness has been discovered. I expect that every future opponent of UK will be showing a tape of this game to their squads.
Why should this team fear a zone?
They didn’t shoot it well today but this is going to be a good shooting team.. I don’t think using a zone will be the blueprint to beat them. You won’t see it from UNC or UL,that’s for sure.
by maysvilleblue on Nov 20, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
It's not that the zone is a blueprint
It’s that most opponents will conclude it’s the only chance they have to compete with this team. A choice between “let’s zone and hope they have an off night” versus “let’s play man-to-man and get torched” is no choice at all.
I agree
But most games this team will have the ability to bring an opponent out of a zone. Plus if they play D and turn them over there won’t be an opportunity for the other guys to set up a zone. But your point is well taken.
by maysvilleblue on Nov 20, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think this will motivate Cal to install the zone offense sooner rather than later.
Doubtless. There are lots of stubborn coaches out there (cough, Roy Williams, cough) who refuse to change tactics, but most will quickly recognize that they have no hope of guarding this UK team man-to-man. But Darius showed us an important part of any competent zone offense today: a willingness to attack the center of the lane.
I’ll have more to say about that later.
We expect no less. :-)
i am fine with cal reloading each year...
But lack of zone offense is an example of the price we pay. Miller clearly remembered the lesson from wva and the prior two years. Hope everyone else was paying attention..
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by memphis wildcat on Nov 20, 2011 6:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, between Kansas and Dominion
We just saw how to beat the Cats. In addition to those lessonsm it will take a team with serious talent to do it. ODU had the idea, but ran out of gas at the end of each half. Kansas had the horses, but didn’t get to see the ODU game first.
UNC just got a lot more interesting.
Yeah...
It was easily the most difficult game to watch this season. However, I’m not any less confident than I was yesterday after the Penn State game.
But. However. Nevertheless.
You’ve got to wonder if Cal might actually consider not starting Teague the next couple of games. I doubt he’ll do that, though.
having watched cal upclose for the past 4 years..
At Memphis and now UK, it always takes a few games to get thru to his pg. Not worried….I bet if you go back and look it always starts slowly
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by memphis wildcat on Nov 20, 2011 6:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
confirmed the slow start
from Kentuckysportsradio.com…..thru 4 games, wall, knight and teague all had 18 TO’s
http://kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=99573#comments
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by memphis wildcat on Nov 21, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Teague
He’s obviously making a lot of mistakes, but they are mistakes of aggression. He plays better in the second half, at least in the last three games. When Cal took Teague out of the game just minutes after the start, you could see them talking and then Cal saying, “I’m sorry.” Cal had called a play he hadn’t taught the team yet.
Teague will be alright. Give him some time. Last year, Knight did not look so good in Maui.
That's true.
Teague is a great talent. He’ll get there, I hope.
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Very true.
It’s easy to forget about Knight’s early struggles.
Cal's point guards
All of cal’s point guards take a while to get the hang of what he wants. Uk fans were spoiled by John wall in cals first season. He seemed to have less problem making the transition to college than the others. Evans didn’t come on really well until conference play started and even rose improved substantially the second half of the season. Relax about teague. He’ll get there too.
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by davw83 on Nov 20, 2011 10:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Teague is indispensible this year. I hope he calms down and realizes he doesn't need to make a spectacular play every time
But I really hope he realizes he is playing against men now and he CAN’T make the spectacular play every time. I’m like Glenn, he’ll get there.
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by BCCatFan on Nov 20, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Lady Cats Remain Perfect
A’dia Mathies scored 20 points in consecutive games as Mitchell’s minxes defeat S. Mississippi 88-71 to go to 4-0.
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Turnovers and Free Throws
There are going to be ugly games. But the way to win is keep down dumb turnovers and hit free throws, especially when you have as much talent to balance out other aspects. We had 21 TOs to ODU’s 12. We need to cut our TOs in half. And we are shooting pretty poorly overall from the stripe this year – need to push into the 70’s on percentage.
If we had just 5 fewer turnovers and a couple more made free thows we would have likely won by 20 and the game would have felt much less ugly.
DM was the man today and it showed.
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If we hadn't had that terrible stretch in the 2nd half where we left 8 or 10 points on the table by missing FTs, it would
Have been a much more comfortable game. Still, it’s a good win. I live in Richmond (Va) and we see ODU several times a year on our local cable. Blaine Taylor is a real coach and these guys are fearless and play tough defense. It’s a good win.
Richmond is a great place to live
I was there for about 13 years – some good mid-level ball out there. I really enjoyed living there except for the toll road and – most years – the weather/humidity/ice storms/droughts/hurricances.
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Great Commentary Above
The lack of bulk remains a problem.
As someone said Teague isn’t as athletic as Wall or as skilled as Knight and he has a lot to learn. Example: one simply does not throw the ball to a big running full speed in traffic. Davies was lucky to get the block.
The last three games have convinced me that: Vargas needs to play more. It is always helpful to have a wide guy who just wants to rebound.
Coach needs to let Miller run the offense from the PG and point forward position. He made very few bad decisions today and against Kansas.
I think Coach needs to look at playing a lot more zone defense with this group. They are so long and quick they could take half the floor away. Oddly, I think a 3-2 is the right zone for this group with Davis in the middle of the three. (OK, maybe that is crazy, but I have always liked a long athlete in the middle of the three. )
The lineup I would like to see more in a zone defense is: Vargas, Davis, Jones, Miller and MKG or Lamb.
by darkandbloody@gmail.com on Nov 20, 2011 5:49 PM EST reply actions
How cool is it
that Vargas is playing so much better? I’m impressed. With Wiltjer looking soft/lost on defense (do his feet ever leave the ground?), I found myself calling for Vargas. I never did that before.
Vargas and Wiltjer
Vargas is playing much better in these last two games. Against Penn St., he appeared to have a ball magnet on his hands. He played like every missed shot belonged to him.
Wiltjer is adjusting to playing against people his size. Before, he never had to jump. He better learn to use whatever jumping ability he has. Cousins had the same malady.
Post defense is a real weakness of this team right now. Wiltjer and Davis are simply not playing strong enough. They do need to hit the weights, but I think post defense is new to both of them. I hope Cal has Payne work with the both of them on technique and how to be strong with the ball.
I do not agree
With the speed and length of this group,press away on defense.Learn how to attack zone defense on offense is the key.
I agree with you
This team has so much quickness and agility, the MTM defense will cause so much more ball pressure. Besides, Cal is not completely sold on the zone and frankly is not as skilled at coaching the zone. Our opponent today and Beheim and a few others have committed their careers to the zone defense, but Cal has gone in another direction.
Have to play to strengths
the players’ and the coaches’ strengths. Zone defense is not one of Cal’s strengths. Although I do believe hew will start working – a little bit – on the zone offense. This team should play better against Radford in their tune-up to UNC.
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Surprised, But ...
Not the surprise you’re probably thinking. Consider this, you take a group of primarily 18-20 year-olds on a week long trip to NYC and MSG with all the gltiz and glory that entails and to participate in a “Champions Classic” (champions in your 3rd college game, imagine what that does to egos). After seeing the sights of the Big Apple it’s off to tour the World Wide Leader In Sports (sort of like Oz for Dorothy, a scene these virtual kids have been viewing since they were literal kids), where, BTW, they’re treated like stars. Then to top it off it’s on to a casino disguised as a basketball venue with back to back noon starts. Teenagers have notoriously short attention spans in normal circumstances, can you imagine trying to keep them focused in that environment? So, yes I’m surprised, surprised that they actually played as well as they did. Back to campus, back to Craft Center, back to Rupp, and continue the maturation process.
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by Wild Weasel on Nov 20, 2011 7:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Great write up of the game for only seeing half of it ... pretty much the way the first half was as well
Cats can take some positives away from this game other than just the win. Great teams find a way to win in the face of adversity. Cal put Davis in with 8 min to go and 4 fouls … not sure he will do that later in the year. Cats were able to overcome that and I think Cal wanted that situation as a teaching point.
Correct on Miller … knows how to attack the zone … others will catch on it still early for this team … played an excellent game – his experience means as much to us as the talent of the others ….
Totally agree on free throws … we will see the line a lot this year – missing front end of 1-1’s hurts …
Yes it was ugly, but......
they are still undefeated. Lets wait and see what they do with really tough competition. That will come from UNC, UL, and then the SEC. Florida, Alabama & Miss St will all be a challenge.
It seems unlikely that they will continue to shoot so badly. And if Teague is what we have been told, he should come around.
Enjoy the ride and remember that the prize is handed out in March.
Radford up next...
They have lost by double-digits to both PennState and Marist. Should be a romp to build confidences before the UNC matchup.
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Miller as a point forward
Very interesting development.
Not exactly great for Doron Lamb’s NBA prospects, but definitely a welcome sight for this team, especially with Teague struggling early on. Miller’s incredible size advantage and experience on the perimeter definitely appears to be a calming influence on this team.
For those worrying about Teague, he’s 4 games in to his collegiate career. Give it time.
So, we are all in agreement, we need more practice time!!!!....lol
Cal has probably already figured this out. I would say the guys are going to spend most of the day today watching film…..and hating themselves…..lol
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Nov 21, 2011 10:47 AM EST reply actions
Good Test against a GOOD TEAM!
I am tired of hearing all the talking heads spout about “what’s wrong with UK?” The fact of the matter is ODU is a very good basketball team. Blaine Taylor consistently gets great play out of less than great talent and fields a very good, very disclipined team. ODU was 1 defensive rebound away from beating Butler in last years tourney.
With that said, I am very glad the Bazemore is not in game shape yet, that kid could be a first round pick, but has been limited due to a broken foot. If he is at full game shape and strength OCU could have beat UK.
I agree that this is a test UK needed. The next couple cupcakes will not prepare them for UNC on Dec 3, but this test will go a long way to making them much better and preparing them for the really tough stretch of UNC, UL, IU and the like.
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You’re right, ODU is a very good team.
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