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Kentucky Wildcats Basketball: Stacey Poole Sr.'s Decision?

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When I got up this morning, I read Alex's article below on the news that Stacey Poole's father, Stacey Sr., will be flying up to Kentucky to talk to his son about a possible transfer, only one thing stood out to me from the article:

At the end of the day, I’m going to make the call. He’s 20, but he’s still a kid. Four years from now, he can blame his father if it doesn’t work out.

Does anything about this quote stand out to you?  Poole is a 20-year old young man.  He isn't a "kid," legally or otherwise.  He can vote, he can fight for the country and die, he can do everything but legally consume alcohol.  So I was shocked when I read that his father really wasn't concerned about what his son thinks.  This, to me, reads only one way:  "I'm coming to get my son, I'm moving him from this school. and neither he nor anyone else has a say."

After I saw this, I flipped over to Kentucky Sports Radio to see if Matt Jones might have opined on the issue, as he's been on this story all night. Lo and behold, he has:

Some pretty astounding words there from Poole’s father if you think about it. For Poole’s dad to suggest that "at the end of the day, I’m going to make the call" about his 20 year old son is bizarre. Being a controlling parent is one thing, but to literally admit in a newspaper that you are going to plan the direction of your adult child’s life is without question, strange.

I have one thing to say about this -- ditto. 

Seriously, what the heck can Poole Sr. be thinking?  No, scratch that -- he clearly isn't thinking.  If maturity is what you want for your son, turning him back into a little boy by way of a newspaper article in front of his friends and virtually every other college basketball player in America is absolutely wrong, and utterly shameful. This goes beyond "controlling," this is patently thoughtless and downright harmful, both to his current and future prospects.

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Part of the culture of today's players is "being a man," even when we can all sympathize with Poole Sr.'s position that his son is still a "kid" -- fathers love their sons, and surely Poole Sr. loves his.  But no player want's to be seen as a mama's boy, or a daddy's boy, in front of their peers.  It minimizes him and gives others a psychological edge.  To publicly state, unambiguously, that your adult male child has no say in his future is a virtual emasculation of the young man, in public for all to see.

I'm sure Mr. Poole has nothing but the best interests of his son in mind, but even if he is bound and determined to be the controlling parent despite the legal majority of his son, he should have kept that "in house" between him and his family.  To go public with it like this is downright horrifying to me, and must be mortifying to Poole Jr.

Which brings to mind the possibility that Poole Sr. has decided that only by inflicting public embarrassment on his son could he place him into a situation where a transfer is necessary, and as sad as that may sound, that's what this looks like.  Poole Sr. states in the article that he has been in Poole Jr.'s ear a long time about this, and what that says to me is that he has been trying to get him to transfer, but Poole Jr. is unwilling.

So to make sure he gets his way, Poole Sr. has decided to make his son's continued stay at Kentucky untenable by embarrassing him in public, through a newspaper, in front of his teammates, coaches, friends and classmates.  I hope that isn't what happened, but unfortunately, it makes too much sense not to consider a possibility.  We Kentucky fans have seen all manner of strange behavior by parents, and this would by no means be the strangest.

With that said, and no matter why, it is destructive, unfortunate, and stupefying.  Maybe this all ends well.  Let's hope so.

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Two words for Poole Sr.

Josh Harrelson. It only takes one year of good play and determination to make really good things happen.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Nov 2, 2011 7:25 AM EDT reply actions  

While that's true for the most part.

Jorts didn’t have the players at his position the caliber of Lamb, Miller, Goodwin and potentially Harris and/or Muhammad in the lineup to compete with him last year.

by Clint Phelps on Nov 2, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would Liggins be a more apt comparison? His freshmen season was a wash in terms of development thanks to Gillispie. Granted he didn’t see the floor because of off the court issues. Through his effort, though, he made it impossible for Cal to leave him on the bench.

by doldham on Nov 2, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think so.

If Stacey could learn to play defense and get in the head of guys like Liggins he would no doubt see some minutes. How many and will they be enough is the question.

by Clint Phelps on Nov 2, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mr Poole should be ashamed....

He admits in the original article

He may have a little too much blue in his eyes

And the problem with that is…what?? This is where the kid wanted to go to school. If Stacey wants to stay here, his Daddy should suck it up, Buttercup! All children do things their parents don’t want them to do, but they have to do those exact things to learn their way in the world whether us parents want them to or not…

Raspberries to Mr Poole!

If your wings don't sweep....

by EagleTDL on Nov 2, 2011 7:41 AM EDT reply actions  

maybe we could send cards to

Poole Jr expressing how much we support him and want him to be a part of a Natl Championship team

It’s tough for parents to come to the realization that their kid isn’t going to “change the world” and some take it harder than others i guess.

I have kleptomania,
but when it gets bad,
I take something for it.

by bluecrip on Nov 2, 2011 8:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't think he believes that Stacey is capable of "changing the world."

While I believe that Sr.‘s actions are ostensibly deplorable, I think I can see where he’s coming from. Jr. is definitely a talent – he was a 4* and ranked #33 nationally by Rivals in the Class of 2010 – and he would probably be the premier player on a lesser squad. More minutes = more exposure and a higher likelihood of being drafted. Jr. was also recruited by Clemson and South Carolina. There is no doubt that he would be a team leader at one of those schools. This presents my problem with Sr. – he’s more concerned with Jr.’s pro prospects (which are questionable, at best) than allowing his son to make his own decisions.

But you have to let the “young man” (oh lord, I’m 27 now) make his own decisions.

by mrmondaynite on Nov 2, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know I’m biased, but I think he would be a better pro by waiting until his senior year than starting at SC. I’m a fan of Horn, but he doesn’t get guys to the pros like Cal.
I wish the NBA were going on so we could see Liggins and Harrelson enjoy the fruits of their hard work and pass that message on to guys like Poole.

by doldham on Nov 2, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree on both counts.

Though I think his CHANCES of BECOMING a pro would be better at SC. He would have more exposure and considerably better #s.

Also, if you look at recent drafts, they’re primarily filled with underclassmen, suggesting that, if you were at college for 4 years, you only stayed that long because you didn’t have a shot in the NBA.

by mrmondaynite on Nov 2, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just not right

I hope Jr sends Sr home with his tail between his legs

"They had it before you, they had it during you, they'll have it when you're gone"...." - Al McGuire on Kentucky Basketball Tradition

by Blue Hue on Nov 2, 2011 8:19 AM EDT reply actions  

How embarassing for Stacey

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by btcoop71 on Nov 2, 2011 8:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Sadly.

And we saw how that ended.

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by Glenn Logan on Nov 2, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was waiting for somebody to make that appropriate comparison. By all accounts Legion was a good person with a troubled past.

by doldham on Nov 2, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Game tonite!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ladies & Gents ARE U READYYYYY FORRRR SOMEEEE BASKETBALLLLL ACTIONNN!!!!!!!!! I’AMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go CATTTTTTTTTTTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by oilliecat on Nov 2, 2011 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

+1,000,000

"I wasn’t thinking about it. That’s the worst celebration of all time. I didn’t know what to do. I got lost in the moment." - Brian McCann

by HansonManCrush on Nov 2, 2011 11:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bizarre is a good way to put it

Could’ve just been a case of the wrong words slipping out. Hopefully, Poole sticks around and surprises, but let’s just say I’m not holding my breath.

by jc25 on Nov 2, 2011 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I have to say that I think we are taking this all wrong, and here is why.

Stacey Poole Sr. has not been proven to be anything more than he is, which is a concerned parent. Does Stacey Jr. need to grow up? Certainly. And he may very well do just that. However, in today’s society of certified psychopaths (like Alex Legion’s mother) who not only seek to help their children, they seek to control the entire world around them, and act like an idiot when they don’t get their way, he appears to be simply a concerned parent of a top 50 basketball player who came to Kentucky thinking that his considerable skills would get him a lot more than he has gotten so far.

Is that unreasonable? If any of us are parents if a budding NBA Millionaire, please speak up. There are a lot of times that when I was a 20 yr old, looking back now, that I wish my Dad had spoken up and said “hey, son, wait a minute”. However, my father believed in me learning from my mistakes, and that’s fine, but he could have prevented me from getting into a failed marriage at a young age, a business situation that took me years to extract myself from, and a world of headaches.

Could Poole, Sr. be a nutjob? Maybe. But my gut tells me in this case that he is simply a parent, that by virtue of his own college experience, knows the ropes and wants to make sure his son is in the very best situation.

As Cats fans, we believe that this is the best situation for all of the top talent in the world. History has taught us that there are kids that not only survive elsewhere, they thrive. This situation may very well be of Mr. Poole, Jr.’s own doing, it may not, but his father has every right to be concerned. To act like a jerk, no, but to be concerned, you betcha. But nothing that I have seen or heard so far seems to make that the case. Should he be talking to the press? You say tomato, I say tomatoe. Would any of us have done it? Maybe not, but these kids live in a different world, and sometimes they are not a perfect fit.

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Nov 2, 2011 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree.

Maybe it’s because I’m a father (though certainly not of a possibly-professional-level-talented player), but I don’t necessarily think Senior’s actions are completely out of line. I certainly could have benefited from advice from my parents at some points in my life at that age. It’s also interesting the drastically different approaches the two articles I read (CJ and LHL) took in characterizing Senior’s actions. In the CJ article the impression is that the discontent is about playing time (though notably, that’s not a quoted statement). There are quotes about “stepping on the floor,” so that conclusion isn’t necessarily specious. In the LHL article, however, Senior is specifically quoted saying it’s NOT about playing time, but rather that he doesn’t think his son looks like he’s enjoying himself anymore. Perhaps my reaction to the situation is based on the fact that I read the LHL article before I read the CJ’s version.

All that being said, I don’t disagree with everyone’s points that handling this through the public forum of the media seems a horrible way to approach it. But consider this scenario—perhaps Senior wants to make sure that if the decision to transfer is made, the public places the blame on him rather than on Junior. (And maybe there’s even some dissatisfaction on Junior’s part; he’s certainly admitted it in the past.) If that is the case, Senior’s actions seem a lot less insane and maybe even a little noble. Though I personally don’t think anyone would “blame” Junior if he decided to transfer to a program where he had the opportunity to make a more visible impact.

I believe Junior still has the opportunity to do great things at and for Kentucky. But if he departs for other locales, I wish him success there as well.

by Mr Kilgore Trout on Nov 2, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reply.
You say tomato, I say tomatoe. Would any of us have done it? Maybe not, but these kids live in a different world, and sometimes they are not a perfect fit.

“Tomatoe?” Dan Quayle would be proud. :-)

Just kidding, spelling errors are forgiven in the comments, I just couldn’t resist.

I say it is unacceptable for a father to do this to his son. I’m hopeful it was just a mistake and not a deliberate attempt to force Stacey Jr. to transfer by public embarrassment, but I am not sanguine.

I agree with the suggestion that the son should solicit and strongly consider his father’s council. I strongly reject the idea that the father has the right to assert control over his son’s life after he has reached the age of majority, and that is what has happened here.

Stacey Jr. may allow his father to make decisions for him, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Nov 2, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

All I can say is this:

If a lot more father’s had engaged in very frank discussions with their sons when they thought there was a problem, I think the wolrd would have a few less problems, maybe a lot less.

In the end, it is a family matter, and Poole Sr. strikes me as the type to do what is best for his son. Maybe it is too much, but my personal opinion is no.

I guess this is one of those where we agree to disagree.;-)

And the “tomatoe” was deliberate….trying to show a separate pronunciation of the same word.

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Nov 2, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

wolrd......was a spelling mistake......lol

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Nov 2, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

We will agree to profoundly and summarily disagree.

If my father had so presumed when I was 20, we may have come to blows. I might have lost, but I would never have surrendered my right to make my own decision.

Judging from Stacey Jr.‘s comments, he won’t either.

I don’t disagree that the father should offer input, but he has no right to assume control of his son’s destiny unless his son willingly accepts him in that role, and in my opinion, that is not subject to debate.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Nov 2, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Stacey looked pretty good...

during both madness and the scrimmage. He may not be a primary contributor this year but he certainly will be next year..it seems to be a waste for him to leave now. But, I support whatever decision he makes..as long as it is his decision, not his dads..fair winds and following seas..

by BlueOrion on Nov 2, 2011 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I totally agree.

I think he has a chance for some PT this year, more next year.

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by Glenn Logan on Nov 2, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good luck to Stacey Jr.

He’s got a tough decision to make. It looks like he’s forced to choose between UK (and all the fun that comes with being a Wildcat in this town) and making his father happy. Tough, tough, tough. I’ll root for him either way, although not against UK.

by KDH2011 on Nov 2, 2011 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Josh Carrier

His Dad reportedly wanted him to transfer from UK for more PT elsewhere.

Josh declined to do so.

Hopefully Stacey Poole, Jr will make his own (similar) decision.

by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 2, 2011 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

I hope Stacey Jr. makes whatever decision is best for him, including strong consideration of his father's council.

I hope Stacey Sr. apologizes to his son for embarrassing him in the media like that.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Nov 2, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Soooo...

I wonder if his father’s council will provide him with proper counsel?

by MTCAT on Nov 2, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don't know.

But what I do know is that he should be making it, not his father.

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by Glenn Logan on Nov 2, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

doh.

Right over my head.

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by Glenn Logan on Nov 3, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont know what to make of this...

At first glance, it seems that Sr. is making this into a problem in the media and wants to be the decision maker. However, none of us know what is said behind closed doors. Maybe Jr. is saying things to his father that we don’t know about that would make Sr. conclude that this situation is not good for son for whatever reason. I still think that this should never have gotten to the media. Sr. was wrong to publicly voice these concerns. Now there is this small distraction that always gets the media in a tizzy and forces them to distract the team with questions.

It is situations like this that I think people should wait and see what happens and get the explanation/details before rushing to condemn someone. Wait what did I just say? No way anyone will hold off before rushing to a message board to slam someone…silly me! ;)

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by SevenRings on Nov 2, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

We know enough to see two problems:

the presumption of control (“I’m going to make the call”) and the public forum. Even if we assume Jr. is giving his dad reason for concern, those problems remain. I feel the same way about rushing to judgment on the message boards, but here, regardless of what happens, Sr.‘s conduct invites fair criticism. I believe it’s an invitation Glenn reasonably accepted.

by Wheatgerm on Nov 2, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Cal takes a crap and it turns up red......there will be a media alert of some kind.....

the fishbowl just works that way……my concerns are the same as yours seven…..

The sharks are looking for chum in the water….and unfortunately Stacey Sr. provided it. If that was intent, then he needs a dressing down, if it was not, then we have another classic case of the press making a mountain out of a molehill…….

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Nov 2, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

My two cents

I have to say I’m a little disappointed in ASOB making a lot of judgments on what is ultimately a family matter that we know very little about.

Should Sr. have taken this to the press? Probably not. Do we have any idea of the circumstances that led to his taking it into the press? No, not really.

What we know of Stacey Poole, Jr is fairly limited to the basketball court. We don’t know what kind of relationship he has with his father, we don’t know their history, and we don’t know what kinds of decisions (good or bad) that either Jr. or Sr. have made in the past. We don’t know the level of maturity Jr. has, and if he is mature enough to see all sides of the situation.

Maybe Sr. is a control freak (lots of parents are!). Maybe Jr. is an extremely immature 20 year old (lots of 20 year old are!). Either way, I think we as the Kentucky fanbase need to let the Pooles work it out before we rush to condemn either.

You can put it on the board....YES.

by twocee on Nov 2, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

What we know is sufficient, as Wheatgerm pointed out above.

I’m sorry you are disappointed, but I make no apology for calling them as I see them.

Even you admit that Poole Sr. shouldn’t have said what he said in the press. I just said it stronger, and in my opinion, justifiably so. The circumstances that led to that exposition are utterly irrelevant in my view. Nothing could possibly justify those comments whatever, at least the way they were made to the Courier-Journal.

I am criticizing what I see, which is, to me, unambiguously wrong. It’s not a condemnation, but what he did was clearly mishandled in my view by any measure that can be objectively applied.

By the by, I think being a control freak as a parent is dubious, even when you do have the legal and moral authority to do so, which Mr. Poole Sr. transparently does not. His son is an adult.

So I guess we’ll agree to disagree.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Nov 2, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with Glenn

Once the Pooles made this public, it became open for debate.

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Nov 2, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

No apology necessary

The beauty of this site is we can disagree with civility.

You can put it on the board....YES.

by twocee on Nov 2, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed it is. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Nov 2, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again, we tend to see this in a player's recruitment.

A couple of years ago a recruit’ was leaning towards UK but signed with KU because his mother was a former KU player and wanted her son to follow her. It seemed to be the same this year with the number 1 high school senior who seemed to be leaning toward the CATS after BBM but his father is pushing him toward USC were the father played. And now Poole’s father. Sometimes it seems the parents are like some Little League parents and want to continue their playing experience via their children.

by lccat on Nov 2, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Or....

They want their kids to go to their alma mater, where they presumably made a lot of good memories and spent some good years.

You can put it on the board....YES.

by twocee on Nov 2, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Emasculating Junior in public

If the whole point of embarassing him is to get him to leave Lexington… wouldn’t it make more sense for Poole Jr to “stick it to the man” and stay at UK? By obviously standing up against his famous namesake, he could then reclaim some of that masculinity his dad was so determined to steal from him.

But hey, don’t listen to me Stacey… I’m just the voice of reason.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Nov 2, 2011 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

this is a sad story...

it’s hard to let your kids make their own decisions…but maybe Stacey agreed to this part of the story…doubt it, tho…it’s just as hard for us to turn loose of one of “our” kids!!!

"Every sweet has it's sour, every evil it's good."
Ralph Waldo Emerson

by KYCatwoman on Nov 2, 2011 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

A parent who doesn't let a 20-year old kid make his own decisions

is doing a terrible disservice to the kid. When will the kid learn to make decisions?

by jdogblue on Nov 2, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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