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Penn St. Scandal: The End of the Beginning -- Joe Paterno is Unemployed at 84

Joe Paterno during better times.

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I intend for this to be my last word (okay, bunch of words) on this matter until all the facts come to light. I have reserved comment until I had time to read the grand jury report and allowed Penn St. to act on the matter.  So that brings us to now, where Penn St. has dismissed legendary football coach Joe Paterno, among others.  I am sure there will be more actions to follow, but my comments will be directed at the Paterno firing, as it is a matter of great moment in sports history.

I won't recite the career of Coach Paterno, you can find the relevant facts here on Wikipedia.  Suffice it to say that he is one of the greatest college football coaches in the history of the game, and has been the coach at Penn St. as long as I can remember.  I was only six years old when Paterno was elevated from assistant to head coach at State College in Pennsylvania, and I have seen 54 summers since I was thrust into this world, breech-backward and bawling.

During that 48-year period, we have seen the world change in unimaginable ways, from the first computers, to men on the moon, to the fall of the Soviet Union, to cell phones, 9/11, and the Internet.  Through all this, there has been at least one constant - JoePa at the reigns of the Nittany Lions.

Star-divide

I write today not to praise Paterno, but to lament his necessary passing.  What transpired at Penn St., the sexual abuse of minor children by former assistant coach Gerald Sandusky, was perhaps the worst crime that can be perpetrated in American society.  Yes, murder and possibly other crimes are objectively worse, but the scandalous taint of child sex abuse, particularly between men and young boys, produces such a visceral revulsion in the modern human breast that it forces otherwise rational people to abandon reason for madness. 

It is so strong that people will often demand that anyone associated with the act in any capacity who did not do everything, including crawling naked over a mile of broken glass, to bring it to justice should be incarcerated, preferably for life.  This is an understandable response to a horrible act of violence and debauchery which no civilized society would tolerate in any aspect.

The facts of the case, according to the grand jury report (warning-graphic descriptions of sex acts) as it applies to Paterno, are these:  A student assistant witnessed an act of sodomy between a minor boy and Sandusky in the Penn St. locker room.  He reported the incident to coach Paterno, according to his testimony, in all necessary graphic detail on a Saturday morning.  On Sunday, Paterno reported the incident to his immediate superior, Athletics Director Tim Curley, and reported that there was a sexual act involved, but apparently did not describe the sodomy, instead referring to the crime as something of a "sexual nature," according to the grand jury report.

There was one more meeting on the matter where Paterno was present, including Curley and Senior Vice President for Business and Finance, Gary Schultz, where Paterno again described the incident, calling it "disturbing" and "inappropriate," according to Schultz.  That was surely the Mount Everest of understatements, but given that Schultz is charged with perjury due to his attempt to minimize the extent of the crime, questionable in its veracity.  This is pretty much the end of Paterno's involvement.

So why, you might ask, is Paterno fired in shame?  He did exactly what he was legally required to do -- reported the incident timely and in sufficient detail to his superiors, presumably including the name of the witness so they could get his much more detailed testimony.  Paterno discharged his legal responsibility for the matter at that point, and absent some other revelation, is in no legal jeopardy at all.

The reason Paterno is now the ex-head coach of Penn St. is because even though he discharged his legal responsibility, he completely abrogated his moral and ethical responsibility to pursue the matter and do all he could to ensure Sandusky never again abused children.  People in Paterno's position are not just head coaches, although that's what they get paid for.  They are role models to many young and even older people, pillars of their community.  That is the stature conferred upon people like Paterno, even if unwanted and unasked for.  It comes with the territory, and rejecting it is simply not an option, and failing to live up to that honorary status is very often a career-ender.

Paterno is deservedly fired because he failed in his ethical duty to be brave, and to stand up for the innocent victims of a depraved abuser.  He tried to transfer his responsibility to lesser men, and even when their failure was obvious, did not, for whatever reason, take that responsibility back and act on it.  He failed, as people often do, to stand up for the oppressed when the oppressors are our friends, business associates, and institutions. 

Joe Paterno did not do what he knew to be right because his friends, school, and the program he loved would have been tainted by it, and was happy to leave the matter to others rather than seeing that it was carried through to the end.  He did what many of us do in such situations -- became an ostrich.  Now, he is being served up for dinner by a school that has no such compunctions, offering him up as a sacrifice to the self-righteous media in hopes it will save the university from further evisceration.  It's every man, woman, and Athletics Director for himself in the Penn St. administration right now, and even JoePa's legend never could have saved him from such a scandal as this.

My deepest sympathy is reserved for the victims.  Sadly, it will not be enough.  They will be forced to live through this nightmare in unending, graphic detail in at least three and possibly more trials.  The federal government is now said to be interested, and you have to wonder if congressional hearings, where politicians are no doubt licking their chops to show off their moral indignation for the cameras, can be far behind.  Perhaps seeing their abuser and those who enabled him to continue his abuse imprisoned will offer some form of solace to the victims of this tragedy.  For them, as well as the rest of us, it will have to suffice.

But my sympathy also extends to the students and innocent staff of Penn St. University, and the football program, once a shining light of propriety by NCAA standards.  I don't support or agree with the riotous actions by some of the students in Happy Valley after Paterno's firing was made public, but they are a tiny minority.  I hope all Penn St. fans will come to their senses and realize that Paterno's firing was just, and when heroes act in a cowardly manner, they cannot continue to be heroes. 

A brave Paterno might have scandalized his university, but he could have saved other children from being savaged at Sandusky's hand.  Loving an institution more than the protection of the innocent is simply not an emotion worthy of anyone, especially a legendary coach like Paterno.

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Points well made.

The scope or a person’s life can be hinged on one action or situation. That negative can negate the other actions however laudable these were. When the grad asst father did not instruct his son to run back into that shower and protect that child the first wrong was in place from the actions of others. It goes without saying none of this was possible without the horrific actions of the initial perpetrator. I find the discussions on how much was said to Paterno and what language was used to inform Paterno. More to the point is what he did not ask if he indeed did not ask details. From a distance he seems to have chosen the overall reputation of the university over any other consideration he could have made.

My second concern is how the original perpertrator came to resigning. The next is how the university and staff seemed to say “just stay off our campus” and that was the university response to the situation. According to comments from players as soon in the past as 2005 he was on campus often and with children in his care. His community program was one the football team participated in for their community service again reportedly in the last couple of years.

State codes concerning abuse include the possibility of charging an individual as a passive perpetrator. This is to acknowledge the community around the child has an obligation both moral and legal to protect a child and that individual does not have the freedom to ignore a situation. One does not have to have first hand information either. If any person believes a child is in danger morally, ethically and legally authorities are needed to both protect the child and to investigate the circumstances. Codes are written in no nonsense language as to what the expectations are for individuals workiing with minors and that includes coaches and administratiors of universities. I was just aghast to hear one reporter say that perhaps “his age means that he did not fully understand when he was told because things used to be handled differently in his day.”

Definitions of “sin” include ommission and commission. Sometimes a situation contains both sides and the individuals are truly culpable. We should all take this opportunity to look inward to our own values and behaviors. As we honor our military heroes this week especially tomorrow we need to remember we use that word too often and too lightly. In the scope of what is important in life, a ball game is just a ball game.

by CAWebb on Nov 10, 2011 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

I just feel bad for everyone.

Horrible for the kids, horrible for the school. A big “What could you possibly have been thinking?” to those who knew but did not demand a police investigation, or even report it.

But it’s time to let the chips fall where they may. I’ll be watching with great interest.

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by Glenn Logan on Nov 10, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Sandusky on at Penn St. last week working out.

These men, including Joe Pa turned a blind eye to what this man was doing and that is why they all sit in disgrace today. Shame on them.

by Grasslands1 on Nov 10, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

The point is this...
The scope or a person’s life can be hinged on one action or situation.

The military has a rule of thumb for this, and I’ll edit it as we go, but it’s called the “Oh Crap” rule… You can get 20 “Attaboys” in your career but one “Oh Crap” instantly negates all the good things!

Like it or not, for all the good things Joe did for the University, the community, and his players, he’ll always be remembered for this particular item. Whether he should have done more is a personal judgement based on one’s own moral compass, that’s certainly debatable. Bottom line, sad day in Happy Valley.

If your wings don't sweep....

by EagleTDL on Nov 10, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Points well made

Excellent post, CAWebb, but I differ with you when you say:

 “When the grad asst father did not instruct his son to run back into that shower and protect that child the first wrong was in place from the actions of others.”

The grad asst was 28 years old. The fact that he turned his back and walked away to call his father rather than do everything possible to stop the abuse is, far and away, the most outrageous dereliction of moral responsibility in a long line of people who became aware of the situation and chose to do nothing significant to make sure it never happened again. I can’t imagine seeing a ten year old boy being abused and not acting to stop it first and foremost.

by ajp40505 on Nov 10, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if

he couldn’t bring himself to actually intervene, why not call the police instead of your father? Not only were cell phones ubiquitous in 2002, every campus has a police call box in easily accessible places.

You can put it on the board....YES.

by twocee on Nov 10, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Bravo and well done.

It’s been a long time, but I just had to log on to say “well done” on this commentary. You hit it exactly on the head. I guarantee none of the mainstream media outlets will have a more lucid and compelling statement of the situation as this.

by bluesquire on Nov 10, 2011 10:57 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Why, thank you.

Good to see you comment again.

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by Glenn Logan on Nov 10, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

This.

Exactly what drew me to this sight.

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Nov 10, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Great to see you comment again.

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Nov 10, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

We are going to read a lot

on this subject. It will get worse before it gets better. I don’t have any sorrow for anyone caught in this situation. This happened years ago and these people covered it up. They are not above the law.

by oldcat73 on Nov 10, 2011 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

Very well done Glenn

As a Catholic it was not a shock to learn that the priestly are not always priestly. ( We are all sinners. ) However, it was shocking to learn that Church leaders did not act more quickly or forthrightly and we once again see the same type of behavior at Penn State. I.E.protecting the institution, fulfilling the letter of the law, kicking it upstairs, not following through, not taking decisive action, and failing to understand that evil walks among us everyday. (Which, IMO, was the greatest failure of the Catholic Church since of all institutions it should understand there is always evil among us. )

Now after saying all of that I will add that IMO it is the graduate assistant who failed first and to the greatest degree since he observed the actual act. That he remains on the Penn State staff as a coach is a strong indication that there is more to come in this terrible tragedy.

by darkandbloody@gmail.com on Nov 10, 2011 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

A very well written article Glenn

I agree with oldcat, I think this will get much worse. There are rumors swirling, which, if true, are even more despicable than the grand jury statements.

My only issue with Penn State’s firing of Paterno is how they are handling the other people involved in this.

Spanier was allowed to resign, and according to a report on SB nation, he is probably going to get some sort of financial compensation. Wha-what? The president of your university failed to report a child sex abuse case! Surely the commission of a crime alleviates the need to pay any contract compensation.

Mike McCreary is being allowed to keep his job with the football team, despite the fact that he was the actual witness to the crime, and not only did nothing to stop it, did nothing to make sure it was being prosecuted. If Paterno has a responsibility to follow up when he did not have any direct evidence of the crime, I think McCreary, as the direct witness needs to be held to the same responsibility. McCreary was 28 years old at the time. He wasn’t some 19-year old college kid.

I have been unable to find the exact status of Curley and Schultz, who were the originators of the cover-up. The last word on them seems to be they are on “administrative leave.” Perhaps they were also fired during that press conference last night, but if they are still on the university payroll at all, it’s a travesty.

You can put it on the board....YES.

by twocee on Nov 10, 2011 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

I think Paterno was also offered the opportunity to resign.

Not 100% sure, but I get that impression.

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by Glenn Logan on Nov 10, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for clarifying that

I think it got lost in the Paterno coverage I kept finding.

You can put it on the board....YES.

by twocee on Nov 10, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Rumors? you mean this:

NESN: Penn State Scandal May Get a WHOLE LOT Worse
On Thursday morning, just hours after legendary head coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier were fired by the school’s board of trustees, Madden was asked on The Dennis and Callahan Show what he believes the next piece of news will be.
What he said was twice as shocking as anything that’s been released thus far.
"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," [Pittsburgh radio host Mark Madden] told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there’s a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation — and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can — that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."
After the news spread, Madden later explained via Twitter why he went public with the rumors.
"I normally abhor giving RUMORS credence," Madden wrote. "But whole Sandusky scandal started out as a RUMOR. It gets deeper and more disgusting all the time. One of state’s top columnists investigating. That adds credence. I am NOT rumor’s original source. [Why does] Sandusky deserve benefit of doubt?

Many years ago I traveled to Australia frequently. While there one time, there was an extensive expose of a pedophilia ring that consisted of federal government employees at all levels i.e. cops, judges, admins etc. This kind of thing can happen. I pray that it did not happen at Penn State.

by darkandbloody@gmail.com on Nov 10, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Cover up

This will be covered up all the way to the government, when politicians are pimpin out boys from this foundation, we will never here about it. But i do believe , THE LAST SHALL BE FIRST and THE FIRST SHALL BE LAST. These peoples GOD is MONEY. No matter how much these people donate or give this will be the stain on their souls that will doom them into damnation, this kind of shit is unforgivable.

by christopher k on Nov 14, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Usurpation

I suspect Paterno was fired because he told the Trustees “not to spend any more time” on him, he had decided to retire at the end of the year. Telling the members of the board that he would continue to make decisions for the university, decisions which had shamed them before the world, was a bridge too far.

I would ask, “Who the hell does Joe think he is”? But it is obvious. He thinks he is, Penn State.

by Ford Prefect on Nov 10, 2011 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

Glenn, if this is your last word(s)

on this subject for a while… you sure did a heck of a job with it.

Very, very well said.

Legal bare minimums may work for car insurance, but that really cannot be all you do when what is at stake is a child being raped.

,

"Man I don't want to talk about guys (Moss) who left us, you know. Why would I you know. We talk about Randall probably a little too much. He left us also."

by HSLex on Nov 10, 2011 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks very kindly.

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by Glenn Logan on Nov 10, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Not doing anything wrong is very different from doing the right thing. Jo Pa did enough to "not do anything wrong", but he didn’t do the right thing. For a man and program that considered themselves an example they failed when the stakes were the highest. People extoll his record of phalanthropy, a violation free program, academic achievement, and, most importantly, a "maker of men". Those are amazing things, but they pail in comparison to protecting innocent children. What example does that set? I think joe is a good man, but, like all of us is flawed. He failed, and the failure was so egregious that it warranted his dismissal. I think this will really devastate him when he realizes exactly what he allowed to happen.

by finkgolf on Nov 10, 2011 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

There is more to this story.

The original article from April stated that Sandusky was told if he retired, then it would be covered up. It seems that the Board of Trustees found out about this fact and also found out that Paterno was a part of this deal.

If true, then he was more than just an ostrich.

Ignoring the whole at this point unsubstantiated but gaining more and more traction rumor that Sandusky was providing boys to big dollar donors, this entire episode is reprehensible and my gut tells me that a whole lot of sunlight is about to be shown on big time college athletics.

by Strangeite on Nov 10, 2011 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

Hopefully this is not true.

If it is, Pennsylvania may have to build more prisons.

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by Glenn Logan on Nov 10, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

This whole situation is just awful....

I feel really bad for Paterno regardless if didnt act enough on whatever information he had at his disposal at the time. I will not sit here and play amateur psychologist or try to explain what “I would have done” in that situation.

It is such a shame that a something like this will be Paterno’s legacy. Let all the mischaracterization and character assassination begin.

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by SevenRings on Nov 10, 2011 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

It is a shame.

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by Glenn Logan on Nov 10, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

It should be noted, and I may have just missed it Glenn, if I did, please feel free to delete this

That Sandusky was allowed to stay on for a certain period of time to boost his retirement pay and benefits before being made to retire. That part right there should be enough to have gotten them all canned in itself. Not only letting him stay on after they knew, but letting him stay on long enough to get more money for doing it???

Not just no, but…………….

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Nov 10, 2011 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

I didn't mention it.

But you’re right, that was a terrible thing they did.

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by Glenn Logan on Nov 10, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I took the info from the Grand Jury report Blue.....

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Nov 10, 2011 10:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Timeline

There was an incident reported in 1998 with Sandusky (that might have been the janitor incident, but they are starting to blend together in my head). He was “allowed” to retire at the end of the ‘98 season. He was then allowed to operate his charity on Penn State’s campus with access to the athletics facilities, and that’s when the 2002 incident took place.

You can put it on the board....YES.

by twocee on Nov 11, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Success With Honor

The PSU motto suddenly has become more slogan than precept, as it now appears that those with the responsibility of protecting the integrity of the institution have chosen success over honor. It certainly isn’t the first time that those enthralled with an institution, its past glories and accomplishments, and its future success have turned a blind eye to ethical, moral, and even legal transgressions. Glenn is certainly correct in his assertion that those responsible, even to a minor degree, must be held accountable and pay whatever price meted out. But there arises another question in my mind: what of those who didn’t have defined responsibilities, those worshipful alumni, supporters and fans? What should be their post-event response? We’ve already seen the overreaction of some but I’m thinking of those somewhat less incendiary, those likely older, perhaps wiser but no less ardent. Will they temper their adoration and acceptance all things Nittany? As a long-time UK fan and alum I’ve faced similar — but in no way as dire — challenges to my loyalty and support and managed to adjust. Today, however, I ask myself — and ask other members of the BBN to consider — had I been in the position to know of such heinous acts by a UK staff member and knowing that bringing it to light would seriously damage the program and my alma mater, would I have been righteously forthcoming? I surely would like to think so but being distanced from the moment I can’t say with absolute certainty. There is an aphorism that says that UK basketball is a religion in The Commonwealth but one must take care in what one worships.

Man is made to adore and to obey: but if you will not command him, if you give him nothing to worship, he will fashion his own divinities, and find a chieftain in his own passions.
Benjamin Disraeli

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

by Wild Weasel on Nov 10, 2011 3:36 PM EST reply actions  

Post event response

Whether people feel this is an adequate response will be a matter of opinion, but PSU’s SB blog is linking to a PSU alumni campaign for donations to a charity for exploited children. Their stated goal is raise $577,000 by the Saturday game, one dollar for every PSU alum. It’s a start.

You can put it on the board....YES.

by twocee on Nov 10, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it is appropriate.

Most people affiliated with PSU are horrified, and I can’t blame them for trying to respond in any positive way.

I wish them all the best in their endeavor, it seems a worthy one to me, regardless of the circumstances.

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by Glenn Logan on Nov 10, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

you did a really good job with this, Glenn.

I find myself wanting to vomit when I think about this too long and hard, but you did a good job with this, this most horrible of sports-related realities.

I too think Paterno had to go, and I have thought to some degree what about all the others who must have also known something was wrong with this man and what he was doing was wrong? What of Sandusky ‘s wife? His friends, other family members? So, yeah, Paterno had to go in my opinion, but there are so many others who also did nothing when they could have or others who abandoned their moral compass for the sake of an incredibly sick man. It’s on their conscience, I guess. Weighing heavily, I would imagine.

by BigSkyCat on Nov 10, 2011 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks, BSC.

Yes, I imagine it is a heavy weight. Or so I hope.

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by Glenn Logan on Nov 10, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of lest we forget

One of the under-reported stories here is how long this has been known. How did Penn State keep this hidden for so long?

Here is a story about it from April of this year: http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html

Why wasn’t the lid blown off then? Also, Madden alludes to maybe an even more troubling aspect…that the cover up extends well beyond Penn State and for much longer. Here’s why: after “retiring” from PSU in 1999 after being considered and awarded as one of the top assistant coaches in the nation, he is never hired or lured out of retirement by any other school seeking a head coach?!? Colleges will forgive nearly anything, drinking, player abuse, cheating scandals, gambling, you name it, to hire a successful coach. So, what happened here? Could it be that everyone knew and participated in the cover up?

by wingke6 on Nov 10, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Great, it gets worse...

Police investigated reports back in 1998. Check out this article from March of this year:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/03/jerry_sandusky_former_penn_sta.html

And, disgustingly, Sandusky titled his 2000 autobiography, "Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story," a year after “retiring” from PSU.

by wingke6 on Nov 10, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Glenn

I very much respect your moral compass and your willingness to reserve comment until you know more facts (this is not the first time). That’s incredibly hard to do these days. You’re a good man.

The odd part, to me, is how Paterno has become the face of the story. It’s his picture attached to every article, his name on the lips of every TV and radio personality. It’s as though the damage to his celebrity is far bigger news than the alleged atrocity.

by Wheatgerm on Nov 10, 2011 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

I agree.

I am a little astonished the extent of the attacks on Paterno. Paterno’s actions were definitely wrong, and certainly worthy of dismissal, but they were by no means criminal or so intrinsically evil that he deserves the vilification he has received in the media. By reading the media, you could be forgiven if you believed that Paterno and Sandusky were in league together as co-conspirators in mass rape.

I really wish the media would move past Paterno. He has paid his price, and some will no doubt argue it is too low. I reserve judgment until all the facts come out. I’d love to know exactly what he said, and to whom, but it’s clear that he did not actively try to cover it up. Instead he failed in his ethical duty to make sure the right thing was done. That’s bad enough, but it pales in comparison to the ethical failures of others who are receiving far less attention.

The answer, of course, is that Paterno’s name and face generate interest, whereas the Curley and Schultz don’t. Overall, it’s a sad consequence of fame to realize that if things go badly south, it is the famous person who will be lynched before the most wicked are even tried. But that, as they say, is how life goes. The media deserves to be ripped for their coverage, though, it has been a travesty.

Another question comes to mind — why did not the witness, who came and told Paterno, then go directly to the police? I don’t get that. His ethical responsibility was no less than Paterno’s, although his position and youth are clearly a factor in the perception of his responsibility. But his actual responsibility was equally compelling. The reality is, if the witness had gone to the police, heck, if anybody involved had gone to the police, we would be having a different conversation right now.

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by Glenn Logan on Nov 11, 2011 7:52 AM EST up reply actions  

This is probably far-fetched, but do you think that there was some sort of policy in place

“what happens in here stays in here” type of thing?

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Nov 11, 2011 7:55 AM EST up reply actions  

If so ...

… it was really, really, really wrong.

In fact, most schools have more than one compliance program as required by their legal departments, and such a policy as you describe is a de-facto rejection of compliance in favor of conspiracy.

So in sum, I would hope not. If so, it could get a bunch more people at least fired and at worst prosecuted.

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by Glenn Logan on Nov 11, 2011 7:59 AM EST up reply actions  

The "witness" janitor at PSU did not know who Sandusky was.

He had to photo ID him. This seems really odd to me. There could have been several things going on there.

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by a2d2 on Nov 11, 2011 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Another aspect to all this scandal is what schools would want to play Penn St in any sport let alone football

If UK had them on their schedule wouldn’t you want the admisistration to cancel the game and any future contact with that program. I’m serious no out of conference university should ever schedule them in FB for damn sure. If I were the director of the Big Ten I would be thinking seriously about kicking them out of the conference.

A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!

by KansasUKCat on Nov 11, 2011 5:10 AM EST reply actions  

Well, the Cats have them in basketball on November 19

Part of the Basketball Hall of Fame Tip-Off Tournament

by Acdixon on Nov 11, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I find it hard to imagine that this is the case, but I am not an abuse victim.

However, now we have lawyers saying that Penn St. made another error in firing Paterno. Which would make sense if it was Paterno’s lawyer. However, it is the victim’s.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Nov 11, 2011 7:23 AM EST reply actions  

I hate to say this ...

… but Penn St. should politely but firmly remind those lawyers that their client’s concerns cannot be substituted for good policy and/or sound personnel decisions.

It is deeply regrettable that these victims suffered the abuse they did, but that doesn’t give them the authority to demand that Penn St. put their considerations before what is best for the University. Sometimes, they may dovetail. In this case, they are at loggerheads. It happens, but Penn St. was right not to allow their concerns to affect their better judgment.

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by Glenn Logan on Nov 11, 2011 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Penn State's only mistake was in waiting 10-12 years to do something about what happened

(when it comes to the University’s decision concerning ousting those personnel)……their myriad of other mistakes not withstanding……a lawyer ought to know that. I understand the need to try cases in the court of public appeal, but it really burns my backside when one of these sideshow lawyers turned actor does this kind of stuff.

But again, I am not the victim here.

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Nov 11, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

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