Five Kentucky Football Thoughts- Mississippi State Week
This past Saturday saw the Kentucky Wildcats put a hurting on FCS opponent the Jacksonville St. Gamecocks 38-14. It wasn't perfect by any means, but we'll take it. Here are five thoughts leading up to this weekend's contest against the Mississippi St. Bulldogs.
1. What does it mean? I'll tell you Sunday. Obviously Saturday was a feel good day for the Cats. Coming off a brutal three game stretch and a bye week, the offense finally saw some success and perhaps found an identity, as we ran for an unheard of 340 yards. Of course, the downside of playing and FCS foe is that the results are sort of unreliable. Its hard to tell if it means anything. As of today. Come Saturday night, the impact of the game will be apparent. Is Kentucky going to come out with some swagger and play the way we thought we were capable or will they instead curl back into a ball offensively? It is impossible for me to say what I think will happen. One this is for sure. . . .
2. Vegas is not impressed. UK has opened up as a 10.5 point (Bull)dog for this weekend's tilt. To put this in perspective, Auburn is favored by the same spread at home against Ole Miss. So, Vegas believe it is still looking at the same team that lost its three SEC games by a combined total of (say it with me now) 137-20. Of course, Mississippi State hasn't won a game in the SEC either, and its non-conference schedule is as soft as a baby's butt. The Bulldogs played Auburn and South Carolina tough (losing at Auburn on the final play, in fact) but needed overtime to get past Louisiana Tech. Ultimately, Vegas has to look at results. It bears mention that it lost 14-12 to a team that beat Kentucky 54-3. The money line on Mississippi State is -380, meaning you'd have to wager $380 on the Bulldogs to win $100. That seems awfully high to me.
3. Martavius. I was happiest for Martavius Neloms on Saturday. Neloms is third on the team in tackles with 49, but hasn't quite adjusted to playing Safety and has had some tough times this year, especially in deep coverage. The sophomore pulled a Honey Badger impression, causing and returning a fumble for a touchdown. Better get on the bandwagon for this kid, because come 2012, he is your best defensive player. I'm excited for his last two years. Last week I used this space to talk about Winston Guy. I think it bears mention that he has, at least temporarily, passed Danny Trevathan in tackles with 79 compared to 77. They are still ranked 1 and 2 in the SEC.
4. Blackout. I called for it before the season started and I'm calling for it now. A night game. It is Halloween weekend. A win would get the Cat's season back on track in a big way. We need a push. This weekend's game needs to be a blackout, not just for the fans, but for the players. I want to see black uniforms. If Maryland is willing to come out of the tunnel looking like the knights of the round table every week, shouldn't we be able to wear some black? C'mon Joker. C'mon MItch.
5. After all this. After everything that UK has been through this season, all it needs is a home win against a team with a losing record and no conference wins to its credit, and the ship will be almost righted. If the Cats prove they can beat a below average but capable SEC team at home, suddenly 3 of the last four games look winnable. Of course, that is still a big if (see point spread and money line above). If nothing else, the win against Jacksonville State gave the true fans of the program some hope that things could be quasi normal again. I'd like to beat Vandy and Ole Miss and take a crack at Tennessee. That seemed impossible two weeks ago and now it doesn't. But if it is going to happen it starts with a good showing on Saturday. And if Saturday is truly a good showing, Kentucky will have a chance to win.
That happens, and people are showing up for the Ole Miss game next week. Beat the Mississippi schools, and Nashville turns into Kentucky south on November 12. The Cats could very well build up momentum.
Of course, the converse is also true. If UK lays another egg on Saturday, I think the student body and general public pull the plug on the rest of the season. No one expects Kentucky to beat Georgia this year or Tennessee any year, so suddenly we're playing what most will see as a dead man's hand in terms of getting to a bowl or to a winning record. This may be the most important conference game of Joker's career thus far. Lets see how we react.
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I was happy for Martavius too.
1st and 2nd in the SEC, I am enjoying extremely.
As far as a blackout, I know many would luv that, but I don’t own a black UK shirt and blue is a much prettier color. I will be wearing blue Just my take. Ymmv.
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Oct 24, 2011 12:22 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
Very nice article...
If nothing else, the win against Jacksonville State gave the true fans of the program some hope that things could be quasi normal again.
… but what does this mean?
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"Man I don't want to talk about guys (Moss) who left us, you know. Why would I you know. We talk about Randall probably a little too much. He left us also."
I'm just guessing...
… but I think he means we have basketball fans who really could care less about football unless its an embarrassment or doing something amazing, and then we have genuine football fans who care as much or more about football than basketball and follow everything about it.
There is a schism among Kentucky fans along those lines, at least in my opinion. Probably true at most every school as well.
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Glenn is close.
What concerns me is people rooting for Joker to fail. I’d rather get to 6-6, go to a bowl, and get an extra month of practice.
Even if we slip to 5-7 this year, I don’t want to see the program fall apart. I think some would rather see it really break so it had to be fixed.
ALS
by Alex Scutchfield on Oct 24, 2011 4:16 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
OK, I see....
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I was actually not even thinking about that whole “rooting for Joker to fail” angle at all.
I was just taking the sentence more literal and wondering what was it specifically about the JState game that would leave every “true fan” with the exact same interpretation of it. More from an actual competitive football sense.
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"Man I don't want to talk about guys (Moss) who left us, you know. Why would I you know. We talk about Randall probably a little too much. He left us also."
A fair point
Good football minds could differ on whether the win means anything, but I would think everyone could take at least some comfort in our offense not being so stagnant that it couldn’t gain yards against an FCS team. I, for one, was worried about what might happen.
I’d argue that the difference between WKU and JState from a football standpoint isn’t all that great. We certainly looked 100 times better Saturday than in the first game of the season.
ALS
by Alex Scutchfield on Oct 24, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I am going to bite here, probably much to my chagrin
so, is it better for this season to be ok, and another season of the same to follow before something might maybe be done concerning our head coach, or is it better to have a season that we need to “write off”, and then try to hire a different coach?
My question does not assume anyone being right or wrong, just wondering if it is better for the program to “flounder along”, or to try and improve itself immediately, assuming that at some point Joker is determined to not be the man to lead the team?
I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 24, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I should note that I am not automatically assuming that he is NOT the right guy
I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 24, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
"Founder along?"
How can you be “foundering along” after a season similar to the previous five, and one that looks a bit worse at the moment, but still could turn out similar?
By that measure, we have been “foundering along” for quite a while now.
Did I miss something?
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
actually I said "floundering".....
and it was proposed as an “if”…….
yes, I think you missed something
I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 24, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay.
Then in answer to your question, I would say, “it depends. Each case is different.” :-)
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by Glenn Logan on Oct 24, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you Miss Something?
Yes, you missed how terrible we are this year. We’re not just the worst team in the SEC, we are arguably the worst team in D-1 football.
Another fair point.
Here is what I think. Joker will not be fired this year, or after this year. It just won’t happen. What we think of him as a coach is immaterial. Am I concerned that he won’t be successful here? Very much so. But in the last 50 years, how many coaches have had sustained success here? Darned few, and some would argue none. This isn’t nearly the job people seem to think it is. People who want Joker fired assume that the next guy is going to come in here and win. Yet, there is no reason to assume that. And if a guy comes in here and wins right away? He is going to be gone faster than we can say “$3 million contract”.
And believe me, this is coming from a guy who is as frustrated as anyone with the last 10-11 months of the program.
ALS
by Alex Scutchfield on Oct 24, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand what you are saying, and you are right, changing a culture
is much more difficult than changing a coach. My point here would be that he probably was not the man in the first place. We debated his being named “C.O.W.” here extensively when it occurred. And I agree that it is going to take that change in culture to get the job done. My honest opinion is that he couldn’t get the job done anywhere, not just here. I have watched his coaching, watched his sideline mannerisms, and followed what he does when things work and when they don’t work.
I just don’t think he is a top quality football coach, and I believe that here, at Kentucky, no one that is less than the very best there is will ever be successful enough to bring about the change in culture we seek.
Joker won’t get fired this year, and even with less than decent results, probably will not get fired the next year. And getting a coach to stay is not something we can worry about yet. We have to get a winner first.
I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 24, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't this produce the chicken-egg problem?
Even if you are right that Joker is not a top-quality football coach, this is not a top-quality football program. Why would such a coach, assuming Joker is not one, want to come here?
Seriously, we know Kentucky, even if it was willing to pay for such a coach, would not attract one. This job is not attractive for a lot of reasons. It would only be attractive to a great coach that doesn’t know he’s great, or one that has failed so many times there is no reason to believe he would succeed.
There is absolutely no reason whatever for a great coach to ever come here. None. At all. Except for money that we will not pay.
That’s my opinion, anyway.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Glenn Logan on Oct 24, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It may very well be......I approached the problem from the assumption
that it is solvable. If it is not solvable, then why play at all?
Call it an whatever you like, a fool’s errand, refusal to accept the obvious, whatever, but I refuse to believe that there is not a solution to the problem.
I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 24, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is the way I see it about Joker
If he never had any Kentucky roots or background and had been an OC say at Ole Miss or Missouri or some other bottom tier school, would he have even been considered for this job when you view his resume – I would have to say no way.
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
Many threw around Travis Ford's name right before Billy G was officially "let go".
He didn’t have a lot of experience either, but one of ours with the same “roots”. They wanted him a lot. We just tend to believe in “ours” to understand what we need.
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
My oh My - so that is the total justification for hiring him - his roots 'ours'
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
Joker has Equity
Mitch talked about the equity that Joker built up over the past 30 years and I agree. That’s why he got the job, but here’s where I disagree with Mitch. From the first day on the job, Joker, and every other coach, should be judged on their performance. We all know how this is going to end. Joker will leave at some point with a fat bank account and not much else. He’s living proof of the Peter Principle.











