Five Kentucky Wildcat Football Thoughts On A Monday
Fresh off of one of the most welcome bye weeks in program history, the 2-4 Kentucky Wildcats prepared to take the field this week against the 5-1 Jacksonville St. Gamecocks. If this game doesn't have you scared to death, then you haven't been paying attention. Prior to the season, I predicted UK would beat Jacksonville St. 63-7. With our Cats having scored only 75 points in their first six games combined, that now seems like a tall order. Here are some fresh thoughts for what will hopefully be a fresh start.
1. Nothing to gain? Hardly. Usually we go into these games against 1-AA teams with very little to gain. It is supposed to represent an easy victory and a chance to get different players into the game. On the off chance that you lose, it is a complete disaster. Winning, even impressively, does little good. Saturday, however, will find the Cats desperate for a win and for a chance to get some rhythm offensively. Since we had to bite, scratch and claw to beat Central Michigan and Western Kentucky, the O has yet to fire on all cylinders for more than one series at a time. Plus, at this point I'd say we aren't going to throw any wins back. There is a real chance Kentucky loses this game. If anyone in Commonwealth fails to see that Saturday, they haven't been paying attention. There will be a sense of urgency there and the Cats will be very happy, if in fact they win.
2. Joker is safe, for now. Mitch Barnhart (who might be the most unfairly criticized person in the history of UK athletics) has now gone on record with Kyle Tucker of the Courier-Journal and others with the notion that Joker Phillips will be his coach in 2012. Though a vote of confidence isn't always a good thing, this one is probably pretty solid. First, it confirms conventional wisdom that Barnhart doesn't have a quick trigger. Absent some BCG shenanigans, that isn't his MO. Second, the move would go against the fiscal grain. Joker is owed $1.7 million per year through December 31, 2014. His contract would call for 100% of his salary to be paid through the year after the calender year in which he was fired and 50% thereafter. In other words, if Joker were let got at the end of this regular season, Kentucky would owe him $3.4 million in buyout money over the next three years. That in addition to what we pay another coach. Even if you accept the notion that Joker will never be successful here (which I am not prepared to do), it makes no financial sense to fire him before a year where we will struggle regardless. This isn't basketball. No matter who is at the helm, there'll be no quick fix.
3. Winston Guy deserves better. One of the worst aspects of this lost season is what it does to the narrative of Winston Guy, easily the most enigmatic player of the Brooks/Joker Kentucky era. Guy was heralded as a great recruit coming out of Lexington Catholic, and was maddeningly inconsistent in his first three years as a Cat. For the last two years at safety, Guy would make big hits apenty, then miss seemingly easy tackles and lose receivers in coverage. The book had always been that Guy had a million dollar body and a ten cent head. This year he has disavowed the entire world of that notion. Danny Trevathan is deservedly the Cats' bell cow on defense, but Guy has been every bit his equal in 2011. Credit Rick Minter for Guy's slight position change to a hybrid LB/SS, which has allowed him to make more plays. And credit Guy for what appears to be a great deal of person growth. The tackles and interceptions have increased, the no arm "sticks" that result in broken tackles and the un-self aware tweets have decreased. I'm proud of this kid. Had UK pulled out the game against Louisville and showed up in the last three SEC games, I think people would be talking about Guy's year a lot more. UK isn't going to have 2 defensive All Americans in such a down year. It's a shame, because that is the kind of year Guy is having. No matter how that goes I hope Guy has played his way into the NFL.
4. Gimmick schimmick. I have said in this space that I think the Cats should go with more misdirection and try to get away from a straight ahead running game. Others suggest that we scrap a conventional offense altogether and go with something more unconventional. The notion is that when you don't have the horses to line up head to head with your opponents, you can gain an advantage by doing something they don't practice against every week. In theory this sounds great. In reality, though, we've tried this before and it doesn't work. In fact, the most vilified offenses we've had around here are when we tried to use tricks. "Tim Couch running the option" is everyone's buzz phrase for the futility of Bill Curry era. Remember the constant bubble screens and lining up Jared Lorenzen at WR of the early Brooks years? How well did that work out. Mummeball worked here for a time, and it could work again. But lost in the nostalgia over Mumme is the fact that Couch was the perfect QB for that system. He threw short passes with pinpoint accuracy, allowing his receivers to catch the ball in stride and make big plays. Without guys like him and Craig Yeast, no one remembers that offense with any fondness. No matter what offense a team runs, it has to execute well to be successful. We could be running a 25th Century Bump and Slide Double Cannon that no one has ever seen before, and I still don't think this year's offense would be having much success.
5. If I'm Joker, I'd consider doing a couple of things differently. Rather than re-hauling the offense, I'd suggest a couple of tweaks. I'd consider calling for more three and five step drops (as opposed to 7) in an effort to avoid sacks and get the ball out quicker. On the occasions where we want to throw deep, I'd like to see us intentionally move the pocket to give Newton more options to tuck it up. Finally, I'd run more counter plays, which seem to work when we call them. On special teams, most things are going well, one area trouble spot is the return game. I hope we used the off week to search for another option at punt returner. Randall Burden still does not look comfortable. As for defense, my only suggestion is to move Martavius Neloms back to corner and get Mychal Bailey back on the field. Neloms has struggled at times after looking very good as a true freshman last year, and Anthony Mosely is having a hard time with SEC receivers at corner.
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I would suggest Joker do a couple of things differently myself
those being scoring and winning…….
It’s a valiant attempt Glenn, not only to give hope to those who feel dejected by the year’s outcome so far, but also to make positive suggestions. Just not sure if it works.
Problem is that this team has either forgotten everything it was ever taught, or it was never any good to begin with, and I just don’t know which it is.
How does Morgan Newton go from being a high school superstar QB to a college also-ran?
Why have all of our receivers suddenly forgot how to catch a football?
We have become a single dimensional football team, and that dimension (which was not stellar, just ok) just took a serious hit.
Truth is that the team’s defense is probably better than it is showing, but since it never leaves the field, is struggling to keep up with the demands being placed on it, and shows no signs of serious life, if for no other reason, then complete exhaustion.
But this team’s strengths just are not enough to overcome it’s utter failures at Football 101 stuff. That, to me, is the single most frustrating problem. We cannot throw and catch the football. We don’t have short completions, we have no completions. And we lack the innovative mind at the helm to compensate for it (and honestly, no one may be able to compensate for the complete lack of either talent, or execution).
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 17, 2011 4:13 PM EDT reply actions
I said Glenn above, and I apologize Alex....my bad....hit the button too quick and then lost my connection
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 17, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, I'll bite.
Why wouldn’t it work? We’ve seen the offense move the ball in the hurry-up. It seems likely to me that finding a way to get Newton reacting instead of overthinking would help. I frankly can’t tell from the angles that you get on TV if receivers are not getting open or if he is just unable to locate them when they are.
Whether it works or not, I think Alexe’s suggestions are all really well made. I expect Joker will try some of them, and I can’t see why he wouldn’t run counters more since they’ve worked nearly every time we’ve used them.
As far as throwing the ball goes, ultimately, you might be right. Maybe Newton just can’t do it, or maybe our receivers are just incapable. It’s really hard to say. But I do know this — constant negativism isn’t helpful.
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I didnt mean to imply they were not good suggestions, I only meant to imply that
as Alex said…..if there was a magic bullet it would have been fired…..that’s a really good analogy.
And if they don’t want me to be negative, then they need to do something positive……….
sorry…..I have just seen all I can stand from the Gridiron Cats for a while….maybe absence will make the heart grow fonder..
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 17, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Glenn and Alex...
You two seem to agree on what is going on with UK football. Greg and I tend to have the same opinion about Joker. What I would like to know from everybody, is what do you actually expect out of UK football. I am pretty sure that Glenn doesn’t expect UK to ever really be competitive in the SEC. But what do you think the UK football program could accomplish at it’s best, and what should the fanbase expect out of the football program?
I think the UK football program can be good enough to either beat everybody they play out of conference, or be good enough to have a better OOC schedule. I also think they can be competitive in the SEC. By competitive I mean, I think they can play in the SEC championship game once every 5-10 years, along the way going at least .500 in the SEC on a regular basis, and every now and then have a winning record in the SEC. And I think this is what the fanbase should expect. UK has a very good football fanbase. They have been showing up for years, win or lose. The fanbase deserves a competitive football team. And if the administration can’t at least put for the effort, than somebody needs to go. Right now, I don’t think they are putting forth the effort. And having to pay almost $4million to buy out Joker is ridiculous.
I would really like to hear everybody’s and anybody’s opinion.
I don't expect UK to be consistently competitive.
I think we can and will be competitive from time to time, but for the most part, our seasons are going to look like the last five with the odd clunker like this year thrown in. That’s what I think.
Kentucky will be a threat to beat anyone but the very top layer of the SEC three years out of every six, and the rest we’ll have to settle for 6-6-ish seasons or worse. We simply don’t have the recruiting base, facilities, athletics department support or fan support to consistently compete with the top half of SEC football teams.
UK will never leave the SEC, just as Vanderbilt and Mississippi won’t.
Finally, saying “somebody needs to go” is understandable, but the truth is that for the immediate future, nobody is likely to go anywhere except perhaps a coordinator. Phillips will be here next year (although that may well be his last if he doesn’t improve) and you can talk all you want about getting rid of Barnhart, but that is self-delusional. He’s going nowhere unless he leaves for a better job.
Barnhart perfectly well knows what he can get away with, and he can easily get away with keeping Phillips another year. The drumbeat to drop Brooks back in 2005 was much louder and more obnoxious than the current sentiment is, and Barnhart thumbed his nose at everyone, and 2 years later hired a coach that he had to fire in 2 years in basketball.
If that can’t get an AD fired at UK, no record Joker Phillips can put up will. Barnhart has had some outstanding successes, particularly with Matthew Mitchell and John Calipari among others like the volleyball and softball coaches. Brooks also was relatively successful at football and vindicated Barnhart’s patience so he has far more hits than misses and is a desirable quantity anywhere. As of right now, he can stay here as long as he wants.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. :-)
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Scott-
That is a great question. My expectations are probably a little lower than yours, but not much. I don’t think it is too much to ask to go 6-2 in the SEC once a decade and sneak into the SEC Championship game. All in all, I’d like to do a smidge better than we’ve done the last five years. Get an eighth regular season win every 3-4 year and stay at or above 6-6. I’d love to see us have an OOC with another traditional basketball school in another conference, like North Carolina or Kansas. (You realize we’ve played Duke in football 3 times and never won?)
More than anything, though, I’d like to show up at Commonwealth always feeling like we have at least a chance to win. And I agree, the administration owes us that. This is part of a larger questions though, which is, when resources have to be reallocated away from basketball to make this happen, how is Joe Fan going to react?
Barnhart is not perfect, but he has a much tougher job than most of his critics will acknowledge.
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by Alex Scutchfield on Oct 18, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Barnhart hasn't done a bad job. Actually I have defended him on multiple occasions
If anything, Barnhart is simply too loyal to those he considers to be “his” guys. That is not a flaw, it’s simply showing that the man has character.
The “administration” has to want this to be successful enough to invest in it. Glenn has said it, I have said it, you have said it.
But no matter what is said, anyone having expectations below Bowl eligibility every season is not asking enough, IMHO.
Of course, that may start to get a lot harder to do real soon.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 18, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Good comment Greg.
I think you made some good points there.
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I guess I'm saying this
If there were a magic bullet, we’d have fired it by now. I’m not sure how much any of this would help. But all they can do is evaluate where they are and try to adjust. We aren’t going to rehaul the whole offense in a week. Heck, we can’t execute the plays we’ve been practicing. So we’ll see where it goes from here. Its about all we can do.
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by Alex Scutchfield on Oct 17, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure but I thought Newton was rated a 4 star athlete not a 4 star QB
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I don't remember either.
But I’d settle for him looking like either one right now.
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by Alex Scutchfield on Oct 17, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
1.7 million annually - where on God's green earth did they come up with this figure and how did they justify it..?
Say we fire Joker in two years he still gains more money then most people who work a lifetime for. Would I feel sorry for firing a millionaire – what do you think..?
Lets put this in persective: If Joker works 80 hours a week for nine months, he would average making roughtly $545.00 an hour. That’s a tad bit more then I currently make working a construction job at the age of 69.
Joker has to be hands-down the most over-paid coach in all of division one FB.
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
I think he's the second-lowest paid coach in the SEC.
See here.
We don’t know about Vanderbilt. He may get more than Phillips also.
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by Glenn Logan on Oct 17, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I should had clarified my statement - I meant the most over-paid for results delivered - ROI if you will
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Those numbers. . .
I agree, KansasUKCat, Joker makes a ton of money and if it makes sense to let him go from a financial and competitive perspective, no one ought to feel sorry for him. But as Glenn’s numbers show, we aren’t even playing in the same sandbox as some of the teams we’re competing with.
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by Alex Scutchfield on Oct 17, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Leach made the same his last year with TT I believe
Chris Petersen will make $1,289,053 in salary in 2010, plus $200,000 in a longevity incentive if he’s still employed on Feb. 1, 2011.
Copied from one of the Bronco’s wesites.
Now that is real ROI…….!
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You know, I wouldn't have any problem with Joker making 5M a year
IF, and ONLY IF he delivered.
He needs an incentives laden contract that pays him a base salary of about 1M a year, with the opportunity to make 4M more for delivering that ROI that Kansas speaks of.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 17, 2011 7:33 PM EDT reply actions
Thank you Alex for the interesting article.
I believe the people who complain about Joker and the team should go find someone they can write about who they admire.
Thats the best understatement I've seen in a long time...
“With our Cats having scored only 75 points in their first six games combined, that now seems like a tall order”. Love it.
In your opener on “Nothing to Gain?” – couldn’t agree more. This game is scary important and the potential backlash in the event of a loss. Should the worst occur I wonder how loud the fanbase will yell. Hopefully, very loud because if they don’t it means they already stopped caring. Winning would eliminate that whole ugly event.
As to Joker being safe, probably so; but more because of barnhart rather than contract buyout. While football likely doesn’t approach the donor base of basketball, enough “unhappiness” would cover the contracts, 1 old and 1 new but mitch would fight it off. Oh, and Guy – Amen.
On #4 and #5 I just hope Joker isn’t also thinking “consider calling for more three and five step drops (as opposed to 7)”, “intentionally move the pocket” and “run more counter plays”, mulling it a bit and then think “Gimmick schimmick”. ;-)
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Who's Worse? KY Or NM?
Mark Story: sort of a Leonard’s Losers.
"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
A Couple of Points
I disagree that Mitch is the most unfairly criticized person is UK athletic history. That honor goes to Mike Hartline.
No scheme will work when you don’t have a quarterback capable of executing plays.
Joker’s doing all he’s capable of. That’s all anyone can ask. The guys to blame for this mess are Mitch Barnhart and Rich Brooks. They are the guys who put Joker in this position.
Now, how in the wide, wide world of sports is Rich Brooks to blame for this??
And honestly, Barnhart? I mean, yes, he may have gone out on a limb in hiring Joker, but that’s about all he is guilty of.
Brooks brought the program back to respectability, got it back to being a “non-losing” program, and then retired. No, things were not perfect with him here, but he did do what he promised to do.
Why would you blame him?
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 18, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Who coined the phrase "Coach In Waiting" - was this a collaboration between Branhart and Brooks
Or exactly who was responsible for all this mess..?
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I may be changing my mind, albeit slightly, miracles can happen
The Bengals are winning and Mike Brown is thinking with a real brain lately. Anything is possible.
So maybe the Cats can salvage this year……I don’t know.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 18, 2011 10:52 AM EDT reply actions
Come on Greg this is real life not a Spielberg feel good movie - I enjoy seeing you a little more meserable:)
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lol.......i'll try....
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 18, 2011 7:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
All we can do is wait and see.
I don’t think I dare hope. So I’ll just be a bit agnostic in that area and try to keep hope suppressed a bit.
But I will cheer and watch.
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