Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Trent Richardson Interviews Fellow Brown Brandon Weeden

What Can Be Done About Kentucky Wildcats Football?

Fans and coaches alike have been bitterly disappointed in the football team this year, and understandably so.  With the 54-3 debacle at South Carolina now sinking in, there are lots of reflections going on about how to fix what is unquestionably broken.  Most of them can be broken down as follows:

  • Replace the coach with a new one, preferably a big name by offering a large, multi-year, multi-million dollar contract;
  • Replace the offense with something more exciting and something more suited to the type of players Kentucky has;
  • Replace the offensive coordinator;
  • Burn a bunch of freshman redshirts in hopes of finding a dynamic playmaker;
  • A combination of one or more of the above.

All of these suggestions have merit.  Let's take them in turn.

Star-divide

Replace Joker Phillips with a name coach

Kentucky has tried to do this before.  After Bill Curry got fired at Alabama and the UK job became available, UK hired Bill Curry who promptly tried to do more or less what Phillips has tried to do in reverse -- make an option quarterback out of a drop-back passer.  Phillips is trying to make a drop-back passer out of a dual threat quarterback.

Could Kentucky get a name football coach?  Maybe, but two major things stand in the way:

  1. Kentucky has one of the worst football programs in the SEC.  In the past 30 years, Kentucky has been anything but successful on a consistent basis, and the recruiting base in the state is relatively week compared to the rest of the SEC.  Any name coach coming in here would be expected to convert UK into a winning program with greater success than we had under Rich Brooks.  Given the structural difficulties in recruiting at Kentucky, that would be a tough order to fill.
  2. There are any number of better programs than Kentucky for rebuilders to use as a vehicle, and everyone and their brother, including every football coach you can name, knows that Kentucky may give lip service to football, but what we are really about is basketball.  When the time comes to choose, basketball wins every battle.  That's a big reason why our last big name coach, Bear Bryant, left the program.

The bottom line here is that Kentucky has been historically unwilling to make the commitment a big-name coach would be looking for, and he knows he is going to lose out on funding to the basketball program.  Throw in the poor recruiting base, and I can't think of a reason that a big-name coach would come here.  Why ruin your reputation trying to rebuild a program that the school itself treats as second in line?  Even if UK were willing to spend Saban dollars for Saban quality, that wouldn't be enough.

Replace the offense with some kind of option-style offense like the spread or the triple option

This has more merit than the first one, but the problem is that Joker Phillips is not a triple or spread option coach.  You can't expect coaches to succeed trying to do something that they have historically never done.  Phillips believes in his system, and he isn't going to change it.  It has worked, more or less, at Kentucky, but it certainly isn't working this year.

Replace the offensive coordinator

Again, there is merit to this.  There are some exciting OC's out there who may be willing to come in and coach at UK.  But will a new OC with a system different than Phillips is coaching really be a good fit?  Or if another pro-style coordinator comes in, will he really be able to do more than Randy Sanders has using a similar offensive philosophy?

Burn a bunch of freshman redshirts in hopes of finding a spark

I have no idea if this would work or not.  Most of the true freshmen that have played in this system so far have struggled to a greater or lesser degree.  The type of players Kentucky is able to successfully recruit rarely perform well as freshmen owing to a lack of maturity.  Would throwing more youngsters into the mix really help?  I'm inclined to say no.

A combination of the above

Replacing the head coach with an up and coming OC should be possible, and theoretically we would want to change to something more exciting in terms of offensive firepower.  I would point out the last time we did that, we landed on probation (even though Mumme was a head coach at the time and not an OC).  Exciting personalities with innovative offensive styles like Mike Leach and Hal Mumme often have their own baggage that can blow up in the program like a time bomb. Why do you think UK went out and got old, boring Rich Brooks to replace Mumme?  Because he was a known commodity and unlikely to damage the program through mismanagement or misbehavior, and Kentucky simply doesn't expect that much from the football program.


Storyend_dingbat_medium

That last sentence in the previous paragraph is going to sting many of the long time, dedicated football fans we have at UK, but the truth of the matter is that the football program is not going to get the attention you think it deserves.  You can argue about it with me until you are blue in the face, but history is clear on this point and the people who really come up with the money to help out the athletic program are basketball people.  You can't change that by an act of will, even though some of you will endlessly argue otherwise.  We'll agree to disagree about that.

In the end, there is little to be done until after next season, when Phillips will be seriously evaluated and, if things continue without significant improvement, probably dismissed and replaced by somebody, but if you are expecting a name coach, I'd counsel dialing those expectations back.  Phillips knows this, I know it, Barnhart knows it and the new UK president knows it.  All the football fans not in emotional denial know it also.  Phillips is a good man and a solid football coach, and unlike Billy Gillispie who gave UK all kinds of reasons other than lack of success to dismiss him, Phillips carries no such baggage and is a Kentucky alum, which, like it or not, matters.

Can this season be saved?  Yes, but it's a very long shot.  I have seen no improvement in the offense and the defense is beginning to lose cohesion, particularly on the defensive line and in the backfield.  Danny Trevathan and Winston Guy cannot win games or score points by themselves, and they are increasingly finding themselves on an island.  The team chemistry, such as it was, is clearly headed the wrong way, and noting that I have seen argues for a team turn around.

At this point, the best we can do is be good fans.  There will be recriminations aplenty from now until the end of the season, but as basketball begins, fan anger will wane and cooler heads will prevail, although to what end, I have no idea.

Comment 68 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

If only...

UK needs to get their self imposed stigma off of Leach.

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Oct 10, 2011 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Amen...

…brother.

by John Gilbreath on Oct 10, 2011 5:19 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I will be the first one to say that you are probably right about every bit of it....

and it is a sad fact to have to see. I just wish someone in the administration would just own up to it so that the fans could make up their minds whether or not to support a team that the school itself does not support.

Sometimes the truth hurts…..

I want to see it succeed, I know that if the things you discussed above were done, it would make huge differences in the results, but UK is not going to do them.

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 10, 2011 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I have an idea

Put some Dinobots on the defensive line. LSU and Alabama think their lines are scary? UK"s will eat your QB. Literally.* Other teams won’t score because they won’t want to send their offenses out onto the field. Even UK’s paltry offense can outscore 0 points.

*And I mean the actual, real definition of “literally”, not the constant misuse of the word for hyperbole.

1/x doesn't die, it just fades away.

by JLeverenz on Oct 10, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Okay.

Somebody get them enrolled already.

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Oct 10, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what people expect.

Even if I could wave a magic wand and give the football program a quarter of a billion dollars (like Ok St) it would not change the underlying foundational disadvantages.

A constant refrain is that the administration does not “support” the program. What exactly should they do more?

Money is not going to bring in a top tier coach. Money is not going to produce more 4 and 5 star recruits from Kentucky high schools. Money is not going to magically make Kentucky, as a state, a more appealing destination for recruits from other locations.

by Strangeite on Oct 10, 2011 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I am sorry Strangeite.....

but money will do exactly those things. Money does bring in a top flight coach, IF, and only IF he gets financial support for facilities and staff.

It then becomes that staffs responsibility to produce the recruits.

Coaches will always use that money issue as a crutch until it no longer exists. remove it from the equation and then you will find out if there is indeed a way to make it work. But until you do that, it will always be out there.The only way to make it a non issue is to give these coaches what they ask for and then expect and demand results.

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 10, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't buy it.

I think money can play a huge roll but it is not the magic cure all. The programs that have had huge influx of cash did not also have the other disadvantages we have.

I found a handy chart of BCS recruits by state for 2004 through 2008.

Florida 1 recruit for every 18,683 residents
Georgia 1 out of 20,137
Alabama 1 out of 19,028
South Carolina 1 out of 26,508
Mississippi 1 out of 19,722

Kentucky 1 out of 46,405

Money will not fix this problem. Warmer weather, being closer to Mom and a long tradition of success, will always be more of a draw than really nice facilities.

by Strangeite on Oct 10, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe not just money......

but how about “smart” money? Smart coaches overcome their disadvantages…..

And hey, I am not saying it wont be a tall order….just that as of now……NO coach, not Joker, Not Brooks, Not Mumme…..NO ONE has gotten full program support here…..until they do, then it will always be an issue

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 10, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

But again.

What exactly does “full support” mean?

by Strangeite on Oct 10, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fix Commonwealth, or replace it.....period.

The administration has said that doing anything to Commonwealth in not in the University’s “fiscal plan”.

Give the football team the practice facility it wants, and desperately needs. It does not have to be the Taj Majal, but it does have to be functional and visually impressive to a certain extent.

Put an innovative football mind in the Head Coaching seat. We cannot win by running over people. We do not get those kinds of players. But what we can get are kids who do things like Randall Cobb. We can get kids who are unconventional because we have a place for their talents to shine. But we have to play a game that plays to their strengths.

We have one of the best special teams squads in the SEC. Use that to our advantage. Get great kickers in here. God knows they will be able to show off. The get those same kids to do things that will only feature them in a greater way. Get a great punter who can also throw the ball. Recruit another George Blanda. There are kids who do a lot of things really well, that are not superstars in one position. Make UK Unconventional U.

Get administrators to start doing innovative things for the kids. Build a football complex that allows you to house the football guys like the basketball players will have.

If it was me, I do this. Bulldoze the parking lot right beside Commonwealth.We dont fill the place anyway, so parking aint that big a deal. Put up an all weather practice facility. Then I start building an office complex/dorm for the football kids right next to it. While that is being done, I put someone out there recruiting money……real money. Run telethons, run fundraisers, meet and greets with players, get news coverage, anything that draws attention to the fact that you are raising money. Get Cal involved. Make your football coach either become a better fundraiser or get people in his staff to do it as well. Do not accept failure when it comes to fundraising.

You want the fans’ help? Ask for it. Tell them what you need to do and how much it will cost. Ask them to help you build a new facility. Try something new for a change…..do unconventional things to get support….

Hire someone who is experienced in getting funding for political campaigns…they know how to get money.

Just try SOMETHING for crying out loud……

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 10, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well ...

… the big thing is that basketball gets the first bite at the apple.

Brooks clamored for years about improvements to facilities, and all we have managed is to put up some fancy new scoreboards. That’s not what he’s talking about.

If UK won’t improve the football facilities to keep pace with the rest of the SEC, what makes anyone think they will shell out the cash for a big HC contract?

Football and basketball are not equals. Basketball is more equal than everything else. That’s just the way it is, and for the most part, always has been.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Oct 10, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Youre right.......and honestly, it's a futile argument.....but there are things that COULD be done

if the right people WANTED them done

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 10, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's right.

My point is thought that the “right” people really want to support the basketball program. Do you think the boosters would put up with it if Barnhart put the basketball program on equal footing with football?

I’d bet not.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Oct 10, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

by the way....nice link on the KSR piece.....they make some very good points.....

and you do as well Glenn…….we just don’t have anyone who has the authority and the ability to make those kinds of calls who will do it

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 10, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly right.

Something we all know, but don’t want to face. Like April 15th. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Oct 10, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

shhhh.....I had forgotten about that.....lol

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 10, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

GAE - I heard a rumor that

you know the brute that tossed the hot dog at Tiger Woods.

by mrmondaynite on Oct 10, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

vicious rumors should never be believed.....lol....unless they are true of course

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 10, 2011 12:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Taxman Cometh.....

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 10, 2011 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ah, okay.

I just graduated law school, so my income taxes have been pretty…scant. I worked at Kroger in college and at a small firm during law school. I do my taxes as soon as I get my earnings info from the state.

by mrmondaynite on Oct 10, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats Mrmonday

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Oct 10, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

I’m awaiting Bar Exam results. Will know on 10/28.

by mrmondaynite on Oct 10, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

....

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Oct 10, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chicken, Egg?

If UK went 8-4; 9-3? Do you think fans would care. Of course!

So what do you “diehard” UK football fans want from the rest of us. Yeah, yeah let’s spend a good chunk of our entertainment budget rooting for losers because “that’s going to help build a winning team.”
 
Build a winning team and we’ll come. Don’t hide behind a lack of facilities… losers make excuses. We care about UK football (I do). Pass for more than 17 yards and we’ll show you the love. We’re embarrassed by UK football. Because when we kick everyone’s arse come winter the rest of the SEC will throw football up into our face.

When’s tip off?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNsFtw1ykqE&feature=player_embedded
Hat tip to KSR — watch it again.

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Oct 10, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

You must realize ...

… that UK doesn’t care if you come on those terms. That’s just how it is. They want a winning football program, but they realize as well as many do that it isn’t likely to happen here.

That’s reality, and for lots and lots of reasons which have been endlessly debated. Bottom line — if fan attendance were their main concern, this problem would have been addressed 30 years ago. The truth is that football at UK is a giant cocktail party, and attendance will be good even if the team is bad, although not as good.

But the administration is not going to sacrifice anything basketball for football. Never have. Never will.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Oct 10, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I realize it far too well

I was a Bengals fan

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Oct 10, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Money

what really irritates me about the not spending money on our FB program is that our FB program BRING IN MORE MONEY than our Basketball program. Look at UK’s athletic budget and you will see this is a fact. FB in the SEC is a huge money maker.

my suggestions to changing the program begin with hiring a new HC. it has to start there. i hate it for Joker because he loves this university. he just isn’t ready.

i think Glenn is partially right about big name coaches not coming here. UK just doesn’t have the “peripherals” to offer. however, any job in the SEC is more attractive than a Mountain West HC job. a HC job in the SEC might be more attractive than a lower level assistant in the NFL. here is my preliminary list of candidates.

Mike Leach – Have to consider him.

Troy Calhoun (HC – Air Force) – the aforementioned MWC coach. he has done a great job making the Acadamey a respectable FB program and has very good Pro experience as well.

Tim Lappano (TE Coach – Detroit Lions) – before taking over as the Liuons TE coach he has seen time at RBs coach in SF and was the offensive coordinator at Oregon State (2000-02) and contributed heavily to the resurgence of that program.

Joe Lombardi (QB Coach – NO Saints) – the grandson of legendary coach Vince Lombardi has a ton of coaching experience at many different levels including helping Drew Brees to some of the best years of his career.

Bill O’Brien (OC/QBs – NE Patriots) – the NE offense. ’nuff said. might be a reach, but lots of coaches have left NE for other jobs. apparently it might not be a lot of fun to coach under Belichick.

Brian Ferentz (TE Coach – NE) – if we can’t get his Dad, why not go after him? the experience maybe a bit lacking, but the background of working with his dad and Belichick has to carry some weight.

i've been waiting for this moment all my life...but it's not quite right.

by small balls on Oct 10, 2011 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Leach is the only possibility there.

Calhoun is not leaving – USAF is his alma mater and he has become god-like there.

The rest of them – all pro coordinators – would commit career suicide by coming to UK. Especially O’Brien. Would you leave Brady, Welker, etc. for Morgan Newton and…Matt Roark?

by mrmondaynite on Oct 10, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh wait...Roark's a senior.

Thank the lord. I give him credit – he’s a D1 football player. But he’s awful.

by mrmondaynite on Oct 10, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No...this season has turned into a ridiculous abomination

on all levels. Program, coaching staff, offense, defense, individuals (except for Tydlacka, Guy, and Trevathan). You just have to laugh.

by mrmondaynite on Oct 10, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

"a HC job in the SEC might be more attractive than a lower level assistant in the NFL"

You left a lot out there…it should be a “low-level” SEC job.

Guys will only leave their current posts for a “rebuilding” operation if they actually think they can rebuild it. As Glenn has indicated, UK will be difficult to revive, if only because it’s dry recruiting ground and the few 4*/5* guys from the state go elsewhere (i.e. Lamar Dawson & Zeke Pike).

If I’m one of these pro coordinators, I’m sticking around. If I’m good enough, I’ll get a pro HC job. College coaching is so much more all-consuming with recruiting.

by mrmondaynite on Oct 10, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

a TE coach

doesn’t go straight into a HC job in the NFL. He has to move around for that.

while I agree that rebuilding here won’t be easy, it isn’t impossible. a high profile move with lots of attention can create buzz. UofL saw their recruiting take a solid jump with the highering of Strong. a higher profile kind of guy could make a bigger difference.

for Morgan and Roark? no, but Towles and Theltus might be a different story.

while USAF might be his alma mater, it is still USAF. he will leave there eventually. he is too good to not look to further is career.

i've been waiting for this moment all my life...but it's not quite right.

by small balls on Oct 10, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right...I saw O'Brien and thought all your NFL suggestions were coordinators.

I feel like, all things considered, USAF to UK would be more of a lateral move than anything.

by mrmondaynite on Oct 10, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lombardi

he might be my choice. he is relatively young, works with a wide open offense, and that name would bring A LOT of media attention.

i've been waiting for this moment all my life...but it's not quite right.

by small balls on Oct 10, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

What can be Done

The options proposed have all been done in the past. Bill Curry was hired from Alabama following a natiional championship. Remember John Ray, Fran Curci, etc. Replace the offense, remember the Air Raid? Replace the Offensive Coordinator, maybe. But be prepared for 3 years of delay until the personnel fits the offensive scheme. Burn redshirts, not at this stage of the game. Hold them out if at all possible.

I will remind you that we play in the SEC, not some other conference. I remember when I listened to the Leonard Post show in the hopes that UK was not listed in the botton 10 in the nation. UK has not been, except in the rare occasion, a team that played for the SEC championship. Get out and support the team, get the in-state players to commit to UK, and make sure the players know that they are special for having chosen UK over another school. Take pride that you are a Wildcat. Back Joker Phillps, he will right the ship but not without the fans help.

by DESHA321 on Oct 10, 2011 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

.
I will remind you that we play in the SEC, not some other conference.

Thanks for the reminder.

Pittsburgh, Western Kentucky, Central Michigan, and Louisville are not in the SEC.

.

"Man I don't want to talk about guys (Moss) who left us, you know. Why would I you know. We talk about Randall probably a little too much. He left us also."

by HSLex on Oct 10, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll have some

of what you’re smoking. :)

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Oct 10, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the money argument is a bit of a red herring

That’s why UK can’t have a dominant program (long-term). We’re more concerned about whether this team can get to a brief period of glory in the near-to-intermediate future (ie, the next couple years). I think any UK fan would be comfortable with a program where senior-dominated teams are competitive (including against the big boys), then there is a bit of a slip when the younger guys are learning on the job (see Steart Mandel’s piece on si.com for a discussion on Wake Forest’s philosophy, as an example).

But can this coaching staff lead us there, either through deft recruiting, strong player development, and/or an innovative system? So far, the evidence we have seen is that the coaching staff clearly missed on their most important responsibility, the quarterback – whether it was a failure of talent evaluation, in-program coaching, or offensive philosophy, it hasn’t worked. So this is their mulligan. They haven’t earned a second.

by NYCCats on Oct 10, 2011 2:05 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Well, if you're asking a different question ...

… you might get a different answer. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Oct 10, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Money shouldn't be a problem.

UK’s athletic department had $22 million in cash as of June 30, 2011. I’m not saying they should go spend money like MC Hammer, but there is no reason they can’t make some changes without dipping into that cash too much. They could easily find a decent coach with some of that money, upgrade the facilities, and spend some more on recruiting.

I know I am beating a dead horse, but we are pathetic. UK’s offense should be the next spokesman for ED. I can see Joker on the next Viagra commercial now. Something has to be done. I know we are a “basketball first” school, but for those of us not making $500k a year, basketball is going to be something watched on TV. Even though it is expensive (compared to our little brother), I can still manage season tickets and a parking pass. It’s is getting pretty hard to justify those expenses.

by UKlvrBM on Oct 10, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry...

….I’ve yet to see a good reason we don’t hire Mike Leach.

by John Gilbreath on Oct 10, 2011 5:18 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Because we already have a coach.

He has a contract. That is at least one reason why.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Oct 10, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think..

..we both know that the contract is not much of a stumbling block if the interest is mutual.

by John Gilbreath on Oct 10, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It actually is, this early.

It’s not the case that Phillips has done something that justifies his dismissal, so UK’s on the hook for the whole thing.

It certainly would be possible to buy him out, but it’s never been done in the history of the university after 2 years. Not only that, Phillips is a former player and an alumni. UK is going to give him another season, and by any rational definition of fairness, they should.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Oct 10, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

They probably will ...

… give him another year. In all likelihood, that will cost us a pile of cash in lost tickets sales. Recruiting will suffer if we give him another year. I would like for him to succeed but if our performance does not improve the rest of the season, I believe it would be more costly to retain him.

Do you think Joker returns if we only win one more game this year?

by John Gilbreath on Oct 10, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

I do think so. This isn’t exactly our first bad season. It’s just the first one in a while, and we didn’t fire those coaches.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Oct 10, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is an interesting question,

How many games does Joker have to win between now and next Dec 31st to save his job?

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 10, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have 18 games scheduled

will it take 9? maybe 6?…..could we go winless this season and come back next year and go 6-6 and it be considered a major success??

Would a win this year over Tennessee, combined with a non-pathetic season (five wins or more) guarantee Joker a chance to finish his contract?

Does Joker have it in him to get this team to where it can accomplish any of those things?

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 10, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

None.

He won’t be fired for a poor record this year.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Oct 10, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

MY mistake.....it should have read.......

Dec 31st 2012……just realized my error

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 10, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

At this point, I'd have to say 50/50.

But that’s a long time. A lot can happen, good and bad.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Oct 11, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Three things

1) Mike Leach would take this head coaching job in a heart beat imo – you wouldn’t even have to double Joker’s salary to get him. He made 1.7M in his final year at Texas Tech. Give him a 5 year contract starting with 2M and incentives for reaching certain goals, such as a major bowl. Give him enough funding were he would be able to entice a quality DC and staff.

2) People are saying that we got to give Joker another year or two to complely install his program and his recruits. I thought he was involved with the program and recruiting for the last several years – correct me if I’m wrong..?

3) Many on here are talking about Joker and the OC changing their offense to suit the personnel on hand. My God if that is true then he must be brain-dead and not come to that realization yet – maybe we should contact him in some fashion and inform him.

I tell you what about Joker and crew, they are completely clueless and havn’t the foggiest ideal how to right this badly listing ship – no ideas, none!

A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!

by KansasUKCat on Oct 10, 2011 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Heres a thought.....

Give him a 5 yr 2.5M contract with a 5M bonus for reaching a BCS Bowl the first time, 5M for the second time and 10M if he reaches one three years straight…….but he only makes the 2.5M with a .500 or better record. if he gets less than .500 he gets 1M

Bonuses of 250K for every “regular” bowl game he reaches…..and 50K bonuses for each staff member for reg bowl games…..BCS- 250K

You start putting that kind of money out there and see what happens

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 10, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...
2) People are saying that we got to give Joker another year or two to complely install his program and his recruits. I thought he was involved with the program and recruiting for the last several years – correct me if I’m wrong..?

He wasn’t head coach, and that’s the position that he has now. You can’t claim that his experience as OC is the same just because it was in this program. That’s pretty unfair, in my opinion.

Phillips is a UK alum, and as I said above, that matters. He will be given a chance to turn this around, and from any rational standpoint, he deserves one. He is one of us. If he can’t do it, he will probably be replaced after year three. I don’t see Barnhart going longer than that after this season, unless God Himself comes down and blesses Morgan Newton’s arm and Matt Roark’s hands. :-)

I have no idea if Leach would take the job, but he very well might and he might do a good job. Or not. You never know. Catching lightning in a bottle happens, but if often can’t be duplicated. I’m not saying that would happen, or that Leach wouldn’t be a good hire, but right now, the position isn’t available, and in my opinion, it won’t be for at least 15 more months.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Oct 10, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe but I am not sure that it is such a slam dunk that Leach would come here....
Mike Leach would take this head coaching job in a heart beat imo

Mike Leach and Jack Arute have a radio show on Sirius/XM radio and a good friend of mine called in a few months ago and asked Leach if he would be interested in the UK job should it become available. I do not remember what he said verbatim but he said he would not mainly because he has his sights set higher. Now anyone could chalk that up to “coachspeak” or whatever, but the question was asked and answered. Just thought I would throw that out there.

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Oct 10, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Leach has a chip on his shoulder.......and an axe to grind with ESPN

My guess is he would love the chance to coach when ESPN would have to broadcast his games every week………

There are very few places that I would work right now that would make me take a job away from my home town and start driving many miles a day again. But there is one that I would take in a heartbeat, just to know that my every success would be another thorn in the side of a person who has it coming……..

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 10, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not exactly sure what you are suggesting here....

Are you saying Leach would take the UK job in a heartbeat just to stick it to ESPN? Or any job just to stick it to ESPN? ESPN shows all the major conferences every week.

I would love to have Leach. My post was just to relay that he was asked by a UK fan about the position and what his response was.

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Oct 10, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe Leach has enough character

Not to publicly say he would be interested when he knows the job isn’t currently open. I believe most reputable people would do the same. But privately I bet he would be extremely interested and essentially because he has been unfairly black-balled in the media and we would be giving him a shot at playing once again in the SEC. God I would be devastated if Mississippi State or Old Miss would hire him and not us. Do as GAE stated above about the salary issues and incentives to reach certain goals and we would have him in the bag – again imo.

A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!

by KansasUKCat on Oct 11, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

My point is that if the job is something he thinks he can do, and still take a shot or two at ESPN

along the way, my gut feeling is that he will take it.

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 10, 2011 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

OK..I'll weigh in...

First: The lack of infrastructure argument has some merit, but has been overcome across the college football landscape. Boise St; WVU; Tennessee and others have had moderately successful programs in states where the recruiting base is below average and where the dollars spent are not at the same level of the Floridas and Alabamas. How these programs acheive their status should be the model for UK going forward.

Second: If UK is indeed destined to be a third-rate football program, then consideration should be made to follow the BYU model. Go independent in football and stay in the SEC for all other sports. Actually this would fit in nicely with the new 13 team structure in the SEC…aTm could just assume UK’s schedule and we could play folks that we have a chance of being competetive with. Win-Win..

by BlueOrion on Oct 11, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

An exciting community-driven SBNation blog, by and for fans of the Kentucky Wildcats.

Community Guidelines
[UPDATED 01/18/2012]

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Eko_world_small
Coach Cal and His Love for Hair Flare
323_small
N.Y. Times/Pete Thamel / FLW Tour- Nerlens Noel Open
323_small
In Cal We Trust?
Small
Show 'Em The Money
323_small
Richie Farmer: Unforgettable Or Not?
Eko_world_small
Huge Problem for UK FANS
Img_0019_small
Not of general interest.
323_small
The King Is Dead, Long Live The King!
Grover_avatar_small
Reds Fans Upset UK to be Honored at Tonight's Game
Small
Recruiting In 1960's > Limit Was 25 Scholarships

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Twitter Widget -- Follow me!


Managing Editor

Tru_small Glenn Logan

Editor

Derby_024_small BigSkyCat

Fl_family_photo_small Ken Howlett

Author

Small JLeverenz

Justified-olyphant_small jc25

P1000195_small a2d2

Img_0019_small Alex Scutchfield