Kentucky Wildcats Basketball: Shiva Will Be Visiting You, And Your Leading Scorer Should Be Afraid
That's my new name for DeAndre Liggins -- Shiva. Rarely have I seen a player leave such a path of destruction, the utter wreckage of star scorers, than what Liggins has left this year. Only Kemba Walker, who might be the reincarnation of Brahma, has been able to defeat Liggins this year in a battle of wills.
Shiva. The Destroyer. Arguably the most powerful god in the Hindu pantheon, often depicted with four arms. Liggins must often look to opponents like he has four arms, or maybe even more. He is always right in the face of his man, his long limbs and rangy frame able to impede almost any offensive move. And yet he seems almost serene during the game, a reflection of his focus, his energy, and his unstoppable desire to destroy your offense and leave it in burning wreckage on the ground.
Liggins value is hard to quantify with statistics, although JLeverenz did yeoman's work in trying to do so earlier this week. His greatest value to the team most often manifests itself when he is the least visible offensively. It is when Liggins is heavily involved offensively that opponents find a way to do the most damage in the form of fast breaks and runouts. But when Liggins is just a part of the offense, opponents fast breaks are rare.
Defense isn't the only value that Liggins has to this team -- he is also one of its best passers and may be the very best at driving the ball to the rim and finishing or getting fouled. Liggins averages 3.1 assists per game, second only to Brandon Knight's 3.7 and turns the ball over far less at 1.5 turnovers per game. In conference play, Liggins passing is even more stellar -- 14 assists to only 4 turnovers so far.
But perhaps Liggins' greatest value as a passer is how fast he gets the ball up the floor on a defensive rebound if he touches it. You can almost always expect a very quick, long and accurate pass if Liggins gets the rebound or touches the ball immediately after. He has always been very good at getting into early offense.
Liggins is only used between 16 and 20% on offense, so he ends relatively few offensive possessions. Offense isn't his focus, though, the opponent's best offensive player is. Liggins lives to stop that man, whoever it is, and but for one or two games, he has been completely dominant on the defensive end. He all but erased Peyton Siva from existence in the Louisville Cardinals game, then demonstrated his prowess by ending Preston Knowles' hot streak toward the end of the game.
As recently as last game, he completely dominated the South Carolina Gamecocks best player, Bruce Ellington, holding him to an embarrassing 27% from the field. There is really no need to be embarrassed, though -- Liggins does that to everybody.
I'll never forget that trip I made to Las Vegas two years ago when Liggins was a freshman and Gillispie was coach. I was there at the Kansas State game when Liggins refused to go into the game in the second half. It was the most inauspicious career start possible, and after much vilification around the Blue Nation up to the second half of last season, Liggins began to gradually turn opinion of him around. But as recently as this year, people were commenting negatively on Liggins on this very site. Not anymore.
But since that time, things have changed. Slowly, Liggins proved that not only could he be trusted to play hard when put into the game, he could be trusted to stop his man regardless of the impact of his effort on the offensive part of his game. That's the hardest thing to teach young players, and when Liggins found his groove, he became a valuable role player last year.
This year, Liggins is that indispensable glue guy, that guy who makes a difference every time he sets foot on the court. Liggins would have been right at home among the Suffocats, and coming from me, that's high praise indeed as the Suffocats were my favorite UK team ever.
So while all the ESPN and CBS promos and player of the year nominations go to Brandon Knight and Terrence Jones, Liggins quietly makes this team as good as it is and asks nothing for it other than time to do what he does. He doesn't fuss about things, he doesn't call attention to himself or otherwise distract the team. He just plays with passion heart, and seemingly with four arms.
A more humble, less demanding, and more valuable team player than the Liggins of the last two years has rarely existed on a Kentucky team. I just want to give him his due. Shiva the Destroyer. That's DeAndre Liggins.
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I would think Leslie too ... 15ppg ... (although Thompkins is their leading scorer at 17) ...
but Robinson does plenty of damgage as well …(13.7ppg, 36% shooter from 3,4+ assists per game)
The thing about Robinson and Leslie is their assist/turnover ratio is not so good … Robinson 3.1 TO/game and Leslie 2.1 TO/game …
Did he spend that much time on Walker?
I thought he mostly guarded Lamb and Napier…
Liggins is blessed
with length and quickness. That makes for a terrific combination for a defensive player. However, it is not enough. He has a burning desire to stop his man. That determination, more than anything else, is what accounts for his value to this team.
I haven’t noticed, not having attended any games in person this year, but does Liggins “talk trash” with his opponent? That is often a way to get in an opponent’s head and distract him.
Liggins
One of his strengths is that he does not get caught up in trash talking. I love when a frustrated opponent tries to get in his face after a stoppage of play and he simply turns away and hands the ball to the ref with no response. Much like Chuck Hayes, he lets his play do the talking. The other thing that I really like is that he doesn’t let his shooting on the offensive end affect his defense if he misses a few shots.
True about the trash talking.
But I’ve noticed that Liggins is increasingly interacting with the refs. He’s demonstrating more, raising his palms to the sky and asking for foul calls. Don’t remember seeing that in the first half of the year.
Yeah.
I noticed that also, and I also noticed that he is right 100% of the time. I have seen him decline an appeal to the refs when it was close or a good play by the other guy, but if he really gets fouled or something else obvious is overlooked, he always wants to make that, “You didn’t see that???” gesture to the nearest official.
But he doesn’t mix it up with the other team after hard contact, and he gets plenty of that.
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by Glenn Logan on Jan 29, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
I ADORE him! Just absolutely adore him.
I’m in awe of how he’s made over his body into the leanest, strongest, fastest person he could possibly be. I’m in awe of the quiet intensity he brings to every moment of every game. Watch him when play stops. It’s like it takes him a moment to pull back from that intensity with which he keeps track of the player he’s guarding. Like coming half out of a trance. Often, he doesn’t come out of it completely, even when the whistle blows. Like his guy might try to make a basket, and even if it didn’t count, Liggens would want to stop him.
I hope he knows just how much the BBN notices and appreciates everything he does.
by TeresainSC on Jan 28, 2011 8:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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I don’t adore him but I do appreciate him greatly. To go from being a distraction on the team under ‘Clyde’ to being the glue that holds this team togather is one heck of a transformation. Like you, I wish there was some way we could tell him.
"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.
I believe
Clyde was the distraction.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
In a way
I am almost glad we had ‘Clyde’ because without him I don’t think Coach Cal would be here. We would have another coach here for at least 4-5 years and the window to get Cal would probably be closed. I might even thank ‘Clyde’ if I ever see him.
"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.
Gillispie
Good coach, bad fit at UK.
Too inexperienced, too many “demons” within.
Still, a good basketball coach.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 30, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Attila The Hun had game I just don't know if he could coach
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
by KansasUKCat on Jan 31, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
When Attila
made a drive to the goal, you did not want to be the one trying to take the charge.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
No Comparison Between Knight And Gillispie
Knight is one of Top 5 coaches ever (Wooden, Rupp, D Smith, Coach K the others).
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 31, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
And Pat Summitt.
Billy G was a poor man’s Knight. All the bad attitude/personality issues, half the great coaching ability.
OK Summitt And Geno Auriemma
But I think the 5 that I listed are better coaches.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 31, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks.
I always loved Zelazny’s Lord of Light
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I love the two Terry's - Brooks and Goodkind
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
by KansasUKCat on Jan 31, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Georgia
Let’s just hope he is a titanium cog in the master superultra efficient master bluecat wheel that gets back at the dogs tomorrow!!!!!!
Firt post
I spend a lot of time reading the articles between here and KSR without commenting. This article was impossible to pass up without giving my 2 cents. At first Liggins dissapointed me more than any player since Rashaad Carruth. He has however completely changed my view of him. I don’t remember ever seeing anyone so obsessed with mastering thier opponent. (my friends call him stinky. Like stink on **** )He has surpassed Chuck Hayes and Tayshaun Prince on my favorite players list and Jamal Mahburn isn’t to far ahead.
by LostballNHighweeds on Jan 28, 2011 9:55 PM EST reply actions
C'mon Tru, you're busting up a good thing!
Greg and I thought “Spider” was pretty good… Although Spider and Shiva are pretty similar on the amount of arms on the front end. Back end, Spider’s got ya beat!! :-)
If your wings don't sweep....
We need Liggins as much as any player on the team.
I would use A situation from our last game to explain why Liggins is not only great but cool. SouthCarolina had just called for a TO. They were obviously being frustrated, especially Ellington. So he tosses the ball at Liggins as they head to the bench and was called for a technical foul. In the replay you can see how Liggins reacted, calmly tossing the ball right back to Ellington as if he already knew it was coming. Very smooth very calm and a perfect reflex type reaction. I could only imagine what Cousins would have done. Not that I think Cuzz is really that big of a hothead but you get the point I think. Liggins is in control even when provoked. I think Shiva is a great name for him. I sure hope he makes it to the NBA, he deserves it as much as anyone IMO.
Another Thing To Track on Defense
Forced TOs and LIggins lead the NCAA in that category. He really gets under the skin of the opponent and he does it with his play. Yes, I watched that replay over and over again and I loved it!
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
I was shot down recently for saying...
Larry Brown a possible coach add. With Brown around all week, talk now began about a possible “advisory” position similar to what Gene Keady has with St. John’s. Could this work?
I don't think so
Cal and Brown are friends. Cal respects Brown, because Brown was a mentor that gave Cal his first chance. However, both are strong-willed types. I don’t believe either would want a season-long or longer steady working relationship. It might get in the way of the friendship.
I honestly think Brown would be glad to take a backseat and not affect Cal's coaching
Larry is way beyond the end of his career and knows that. This is like the Keady thing or could be.
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
by KansasUKCat on Jan 29, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
I'm all for it - he could only add to the the mystique that surrounds the program currently
He would be a huge positive for even greater recruiting with his substantial NBA background
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
by KansasUKCat on Jan 29, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
I'd love to see it.
Like recruits need another reason to want to play for Cal.
What percentage of high school recruits do you suppose even know who Larry Brown is? Maybe it’s just important that the parents and coaches do.
If they ever followed the NBA at all they would know..!
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
Liggins Played Exceptional Defense On The USC Freshman Guard
It may not have been evident on TV but in person, he smothered the USC offense almost every time (except for that late spurt by the Gamecocks).
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 29, 2011 8:37 AM EST reply actions
Oh, trust me.
It was just about as obvious on TV, if you watched the off the ball action.
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I confess I find myself doing that too much at times - following Liggins around the court
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
NBA?
I hope that there is a place for Liggins int the NBA. There should be. There would be if I were a GM. But not next year..we need him back!
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
I am confident he will play in the league.
Players like him, who can guard several positions, are extremely rare and sought after. He probably won’t be a starter, but I predict he’ll be around the league for years.
If not, he’ll be a star overseas.
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I would certainly think so
He definitely has all the physical traits that I keep hearing that NBA GM’s like, plus he has steadily improved his offense over the last three years. I don’t see any reason why he couldn’t have a Bruce Bowen or Raja Bell type career.
3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.
He needs to improve his shooting by staying put another year, of course
But he does have many League-worthy qualities, as we’ve all noted.
Bogans has become a mainstay in the league with defense.
Though he was an offfensive star in college and thus can be presumed to be able to kjnock down a shot. But the point is the same. Bogans is not asked to score, but at time in his career he has started on teams b/c they wanted a D stopper in the line-up.
An argument could be made that Liggins is UK's most valuable player
What strikes me is he is never out of control on defense and he makes it look just to damn easy doing it. He never runs around like a madman but is always under complete control and destroying his opponents spirit while doing so.
He is the best defensive player in college basketball – bar none.
I seriously think he will make some NBA team extremely glad to have him. I can only dream that it would be for the Celtics…!
A man is nothing more than a summation of his scars!
I would make that argument myself.
Although I do think it could convincingly be made for others as well.
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Liggins does not make it look easy.
Doron Lamb makes it look easy. My wife compares his smooth, in-control, no-sweat style to Tayshaun.
That’s not Liggins. Liggins makes it look hard. He makes it look like he’s putting every ounce of effort into every possession. It’s exhausting to watch.
And I couldn’t be prouder. He has a special place in my heart. I do feel we owe it to him to let him know, somehow.
Completely different player than freshman year
He looked out of place trying to run the PG position in the first place as a freshman, but I completely agree with you about how quickly he gets the ball up the floor and what a bonus that is. When he was a freshman, he would just run, no idea where he was going…he would beat everyone down the floor, but would drive it too far, throw up a terrible shot or just flat turn it over. He has really bought in and has become more of a player than I ever thought he would…love watching him play now.
I think he was just a misfit at the point guard.
Terrence Jones has point guard skills, but no sane person would put him there. Liggins always seemed uncomfortable being the primary ballhandler. He has really blossomed in the initiator role, though, as he has the best A/T ratio on the team.
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by Glenn Logan on Jan 29, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
However, Terrance would put himself there in a heartbeat
Do you think he envisions himself as a Magic Johnson type? He sure loves to handle the ball.
A lot of players are like that ...
… when they have extraordinary skill uncommon at a particular position.
But yeah, he might put himself at point guard if he were coaching the team. :-)
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by Glenn Logan on Jan 29, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Liggins has made perhaps the most complete turnaround in UK fans minds...
… with only Gerald Fitch to compare to him. Fitch was a leader and the clutch shooter of a very good team following big time participation in Team Turmoil, so he may still have the record for best turnaround, but Liggins was so low following KSU game that he has an argument for best turnaround ever.
Fitch?
He started as a freshman from mid-December 2000 on. He struggled a bit as a sophomore but starred as junior and senior.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 30, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Fairly close.
But Fitch struggled less than Liggins in his first two years.
I loved Fitch’s game. He was such a great rebounder for his size, and turned into a knock-down shooter.
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Fitch
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statistics/Players/Fitch_Gerald.html here are the numbers.
His FG shooting was similar except for 3-pt FG % in Soph year. His rebounding numbers were better as Frosh and Soph.
He gots lots more PT as Jr and Sr.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 31, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
My point was the turnaround in attidute - not just game.
Fitch was almost kicked off the team (it has been suggested) b/c of his attitude. He was part of the problem in Team Turmoil, having an alcohol criminal event and even getting in a fight on a return trip from an away game. But he later became a not only a good player but a clutch leader for UK in his later years.
That was the point of my comparison. As a UK player for fans (this one anyway) to like or not like, Fitch seemed like potentially too much trouble to tolerate to a glue guy/clutch performer. In my mind, he made the greatest turn around in recent memory until Liggins.
True (In 2002)
Fitch and Bogans had a personal conflict that year. I knew a player on the team that year.
His improvement in Jr and Sr years was notable but he was pretty good as Fr and Soph, too.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 31, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Last Georgia game ....
Liggins had 7 points, 1 rebound,0 assists, 2 turnovers, 0 steals, 0 blocks and 5 fouls …. yet his defense still gave us a chance to win at the end …. I’m sure he’ll see his sat line and things will be different for Liggs this time around…
Well let's hope they have their "shiva" straight today....
Can. Not. Lose. To. Georgia. Again!
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Further Confirmation
That educationally challenged (which Liggins is) does not necessarily equal low intelligence. Deandre’s overcoming is yet another reason to admire and appreciate.
"I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up truth to your eyes." Thomas Paine, December 23, 1776
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