New York Times Report: Kanter's Turkish Team Claims He Was Paid
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PrintAccording to the general manager of Fenerbahce Ulker, Nedim Karakas, the Turkish basketball club Enes Kanter played for paid the star in excess of $100,000 over a period of three years.
"Karakas said that Fenerbahce provided housing to Kanter and his family for more than three years, provided them with food and pocket money and paid Kanter a salary of more than $6,500 a month during his final season."
The housing allowance and food money are certainly concerns if indeed those benefits were supplied to the Kanter family, but those benefits alone would probably not result in Kanter being ruled ineligible for the entire season, but, Kanter being paid a salary could potentially lead to him being ruled forever ineligible for NCAA competition.
No contract between Kanter and Fenerbahce was signed, leaving the matter very complicated. According to the article, though, Fenerbahce turned over all relevant documents to the NCAA.
We'll have more on this as the situation develops.
UPDATE -- The Herald-Leader's Jerry Titpon, in his column on the Kanter dilemma, reports University of Kentucky Media Relations Director DeWayne Peevy issued the following statement regarding the Kanter report:
"The University of Kentucky is working diligently with the NCAA on this matter and we fully support Enes Kanter and his family through this on-going NCAA review. We will have no further comment."
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Lucky it is now and not later
Consider yourselves lucky that this is coming out now and not later. You wouldn’t want this to be the third team and season vacated by a Calipari team. Did Calipari know? That will be left to conjecture and speculation.
huskylenz
You know fellow, Washigton State has a lot of tall mountains. Do the world a favor and jump off of one! Without a parachute, of course.
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I’ll bet you almost broke your neck getting to your PC to post the first comment on this irony.
Sick. Sick. Sick.
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No, there is no conjecture nor speculation, Calipari did know. He has said he knew.
What was not known is the scope of the NCAA’s rule. This will serve as an excellent “test case” for what will be considered acceptable and not acceptable. No one is hiding anything here at Kentucky. The university reported to the NCAA at the very beginning that Kanter had received benefits from the Club in Turkey. What the University did not know then and still does not know now is what will be considered an impermissable benefit.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Salary = Not Permitted
Reasonable expenses = maybe permitted.
It’s pretty simple.
UK lost a Lithuanian center who signed in 2003 when NCAA judged him Not An Amateur. UK had never announced the signing publicly.
by FortyYearCatFan on Sep 8, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but different rules back then......this new rule has yet to be tested......
I want to see what it’s limits are, and I am betting Cal does too.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Simple Rules
No SALARY permitted.
Reasonable EXPENSES permitted (maybe). Food, housing, travel costs, etc.
by FortyYearCatFan on Sep 8, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re right again Forty. However like Greg I would like to see the limits on the
“expenses” part. After all,except for people like us, $100,000 is chicken feed.
Don’t know.
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Expenses Are Pretty Simple, Too
Airfare, hotel room, meals, taxi (etc) involved with any team activity.
by FortyYearCatFan on Sep 8, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
What is not simple is a check.
did the club pay the expenses up front? Or did it reimburse.
With my employer, I can use a company credit card or I can use a personal credit card and get reimbursed. I use the company card for simplicity and convenience (I hate reimbursement paperwork), but many use their own to earn “points” on whatever card they have.
These checks could be quite large and be nothing but a reimbursement of travel expenses and hotel and food for a team road trip.
Or they could be “salary.”
I don’t think we have enough information yet. The Katners will have to make this case to the NCAA.
This is true also. Just another perspective to be considered. This COULD very well pan out in UK’s favor. I’m hoping anyway.
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That is...
assuming the amount is true and accurate. Then we consider this is spread out over 3 years. Next we remember that a scholly to Oak Hill or some other prep school plus expenses is worth over 30G per year. Hummmmm, we arrive at similar numbers here.
Scholarships Are Different
They are based on academics.
Rarely is an Oak Hill athlete on scholarship. He and his family have to pay the tuition and room & board costs.
Travel expenses to games are covered by Oak Hill, of course.
by FortyYearCatFan on Sep 8, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I mean the scholarship is the comparison but I don’t think the NCAA will take the comparison into an amount. For what its worth, the high school gets are getting an education (whether you believe that or not) so its apples and oranges in my book. Do they get money for housing or do they live on campus? All meals paid for? I am not really sure what is covered at Oak Hill, any info?
It will also be interesting what the NCAA deems reasonable. I guess if they look at it over a three year period and deem housing, food, travel, etc all reasonable, they may be lenient.
JoshuaR
The Mikan Drill
That is a lot for 1910. The buck today isn’t worth the paper and ink it takes to print it. For you and I, yes that’s a lot of shekels.
But in the world of professional athletics, $100,000 is nothing.
Even for the level of BB Kanter was playing.
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Ok, it’s not a lot of money for a ‘salary’ but it’s alot of money for ‘reasonable expenses’ even spread over 3 years. Unless you live in a penthouse suite and eat filet every day, there is no need you need that much money for ‘reasonable expenses’.
What world do you live in?
$33,000 per year? Not sure about the cost of living in Turkey, but it is not a Third World country, so I have to believe it’s in the same ballpark as the cost of living in this country.
As has been written many times on the blog: It’s not the expenses that matter, it’s the alleged $6,500 salary that would cause Kanter to be ineligible.
Wait, so you think that $33,000 is reasonable expenses (for someone not an adult and therefore, under his parents supervision) but aren’t concerned that his salary was only $6,500?
Let’s look at this:
Kanter is currently 18 so over the past 3 years he was 15-18. Does this kid really need $33,000 per year for reasonable expenses? He was not an adult, he was living at home, there is practically no way you can justify that unless that money was paid to his parents (which I believe is illegal).
Basically it’s about the classification. Who can live on a $6,500 salary? Nobody. That’s why they paid him other money, called it reasonable expenses and tried to hide it. Except that amount is way above the limit for reasonable expenses, especially for someone his age.
Too many inaccuracies to count
The $6,500 salary is in dispute. As is true with many like yourself, you automatically believe everything you read, especially when it pertains to anything that can be perceived as negative as far as UK is concerned.
Kanter and his family, received the expense money of (reportedly) $100,000 when he was 14-17, and yes, when travel, food and housing is a part of the (reportedly) $100,000, the amount seems very reasonable.
Learn how the euro-system works, and then come back and try again.
One funny thing: You ask, “Who can live on a $6,500 salary?” You realize that’s allegedly per month, right?
Another thing: Who tried to hide anything? The team has provided all the necessary documents, and the GM game an interview to the NYTimes.
Perhaps the word “hide” has been redefined.
and wasn't it 6,500 per month?
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
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Here’s a url on this subject Ken. It’s not good. Glad I don’t live there.
http://www.freshplaza.com/news_detail.asp?id=58335
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I didn’t say there was. I resent this dude implying that Cal is a “cheater.” One again there has never been a single “accusation” by anyone who counts that Cal is shady. It’s nothing
but hate, hate, hate. Hate is a sign of jealousy and lack of morals.
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So this is coming out now,
after how many months? I guess it takes a while to forge a good paper trail. Kanter’s family is well off and much of this story doesn’t make any sense. Much too early to arrive at any conclusions. It’s not like this Turkish club doesn’t have a vested interest in him being declared ineligible.
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Exactly!!
Looking at the big picture it appears he’s entering college to go to the NBA after one season with no strings from the Turkey team. If the NCAA rules him ineligible, then an NBA team would have to pay the team in Turkey a fee in order to sign him so they obviously have a vested interest in him being declared ineligible.
You can't fix "stupid"!
UKlvrJM. That’s right. UK had 3 one and done’s in 2010. But………..that’s a nightmare that the NBA and NCAA concocted. Now it,s roosting on the doorstep of the NCAA. NBA could
care less.
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I have a very nice Hereke rug for you my friend
This Karakas guy sounds just a little too much like some guy in the bazaar trying to sell you a wool rug that’s been made in China and claiming its a 100 year old silk Hereke. I can almost smell the tobacco smoke wafting up from the hookah. Suddenly Kentucky basketball has become very atmospheric. I hope our pals in Indianapolis are taking Karakas Pasha’s testimony with a grain of salt.
Getting a lil worried
I usually just read and not comment, but the fact that half a dozen journalist have a hard on to get UK in trouble seriously worries me. I don’t think Cal is a cheater or the devil like they are trying to make him out to be, but I do believe he involves himself in too many risky situations. The haters are not going to stop until they dig up something that warrants a NCAA investigation and it’s sad. Cal is not doing anything that any of the other elite programs don’t do. I have no problem “Embracing the Hate”, although I have a sick feeling trouble is right around the corner. The fact is simple: John Calipari is too good at what he does.
danial
You just said, “I don’t think Cal is a cheater or the devil………” Really? You sound to me like you think Cal is guilty of something shady here. What the hell kind of risky situations are you referring to? Get a life.
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Overreact out much?
Cal is getting into risky situations because that is the only way to get top tier talent. UK has been “playing it safe” for years going with the less controversal recruits and thus staying out of the top tier of teams. But now Cal is taking those chances and danial is right they are risky but unlike danial I want him to keep taking those chances.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
StLHugo…….What’s he risking fellow? His recruiting is above board. One could dig all the way to China and I don’t believe he would uncover a single substantive fact that Cal
does anything but run a clean program. Once again, it is not part of a coaches job to tuck these youngsters into bed. I don’t imagine their parents did either at this age.
Now I understand you aren’t making an accusation such as Cal may cheat. As GAE stated, Cal knew about Kanter’s playing with a pro team in Turkey. He also knew about the new NCAA rule. What he didn’t know was the NCAA interpretation of the rule.
Neither, apparently, does the NCAA.
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He is risking that someone will take issue with it or that his recruits aren't "pure"
Remember even John Wall had issues with an agent before he was cleared, issues will always surround top tier talent (Davis anyone?) but rarely surround even the tiers below that (Patterson). All I was saying is that he did take risks by going after a recruit whose reputation or situation may be taken advantage of.
I never said Cal was cheating or even coming close to that but the accusations that he is or that his players were will always come with top tier talent, it is unavoidable. But to me that is a risk you have to run if you want a top tier program.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Why??
Why berate a guy that is just giving a honest opinion by telling him to “get a life”?
by wldcatsfreak on Sep 8, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting a lil worried.
The first setence of your comment. How true. But up to now they are still flacid. LOL
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Don't forget
Kanter was recruited by a lot of schools and had commited to UW. This is NOT a Cal/UK thing, as far as those who would like to yell ‘cheat’ goes. No one tried to do anything underhanded with this. It’s STILL in the hands of the NCAA. Always HAS been. Let’s wait and see how it pans out.
Indeed, Ken, very complicated
According to KSR, the Turkish team will be compensated by the NBA if Kanter goes pro but will get nothing if he goes to College. It’s also been pointed out that European teams don’t like to lose good players to the States, regardless. Even a bad lawyer could argue motive, here.
Like many said above,— we’ll have to wait and see.
Personally, I don’t believe UK would have gone to all this trouble unless they thought there was a better than good chance Enes would be eligible.
I’m also a bit ticked that some are implying there’s a scandal in this. UK’s been working with the NCAA since the beginning of the year. It’s pretty lame when you have to invent your own Scandal / Schadenfreude.
No matter where you're at, there you are
It is interesting that the NY Times has the
money to send their reporter to Turkey……guessing airlines, hotel and other expenses would be at least $2500+. Would appear that they have an agenda!
You can't fix "stupid"!
He is there to cover the FIBA games......this was a bonus for him.....
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
UKlvrJM
I care nothing for the NY Times but they are a private enterprise and are entitled to send a reporter anywhere they wish.
This is in support of free enterprise and intended to be offensive.
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Jesus! Can’t believe I left out the “not.”
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I find it worthy of being executed. -Stalin
Yeah, well I find it worthy of having you and your family executed. -Mao
Sorry. I was channeling just then.
Well I agree in theory but the NY Times like all newspapers is
struggling to make ends meet and while as Greg said, he might be in Turkey to cover the FIBA games, it still raises the question of why the NY Times would care about Enes Kanter. My cynical answer to that rhetorical question is that they are after the pelt of Cal with the related bonus pelt of UK thrown in.
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No Scandal
He’s either an amateur or not.
Hopefully he’ll get cleared.
FortyYearCatFan
Right. This is going to be a clear cut case of black or white. No middle ground here.
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Hey People
Kanter will either play or he won’t. It’s not like UK will be in trouble with violations if he is found to be a pro by the NCAA. UK has nothing to do with this other than to hope he can play college ball for them. We won’t forfeit any games over this. Wishful thinking by the haters.
Exactly, we are either a really good team this year, or we are a steamroller this year.
So far no harm no foul. Would I have liked to get Kanter, you betcha. Can we play without him? Ask Josh Harrellson. I think he might have a thing or two to say about it.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Greg,
it ain’t over til its over. There is something very fishy about all of this, especially with the person who is reporting it teaming up with a guy desperate to block Kanter from playing college bball. Will be very interesting to see how this one plays out. Meanwhile we must suffer as a myriad of mental morons party in their insatiable desire to see anything anti-UK come true. Ever feel like you are drowning in a sea of fools?
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Hehehe.....well, now that you mention it.......
But honestly folks, let’s look at this from every point of view, wrong or right.
We knew going in that Kanter took money, that is not in question. What we did not know was what he took money for. Was it to live? To eat and have everyday functions in life? I do not know. I also do not know what it costs to live in Turkey. I do know this much, I will never be able to say the words “Turkey Club” again and not wince……lol….No, this is good because we will now know from here on out, what is permissable and what is not. Cal just got a free interpretation of the NCAA rulebook, which is something that does not happen very often. Usually you have to break a rule with the NCAA to find out what the rules actually mean.
Personally I think it was a very smart gamble for three reasons.
1) We could end up getting Kanter with no penalties and be a real juggernaut this year.
2) By doing what we did, no one else got Kanter to use against us. Either he plays for us, or he does not play. (yes, this is selfish, but it is true)
3) We get in no trouble this way. The burden is all on Enes and his family to be telling the truth. If they are, great. If they are not, and the Turkish Club’s GM is, then we have done nothing wrong. We went by the NCAA’s rules and we lose nothing.
Cal has taught we grasshoppers another lesson. Tis’ better to have attempted and failed than to have sat on one’s hands and whined.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish the whiners
would go sit on something, but not their hands!
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Salary = Not Permitted
Reasonable expenses = maybe permitted.
Very simple really.
by FortyYearCatFan on Sep 8, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, it truly is
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
You are correct sir!
We have a GREAT team without Kanter. We may just see how good the dribble drive can be. I still am positive about Kanter becoming eligible though.
UK Won't Be As Good As 2010 Team Even WITH Kanter
30 W maybe with him.
Less than 30 without him.
by FortyYearCatFan on Sep 8, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
ever the optimist I see.....
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
No Way UK Is Better In 2011 Than 2010
Still very good (maybe 30 W) but not better. You can’t lose 5 first round picks and get BETTER.
The 2010 record is one of the Top 5 in UK history.
by FortyYearCatFan on Sep 8, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
FortyYearCatFan
On target again, Forty. Out of 29 regular season, the Maui Classic and at least 2 SEC Tournament games, I will indeed be happy to see 30 W’s. No they won’t be as good as 2011. That was a UK class that the “stars” fell on.
The ’Cats will make mistakes early on, just like last year, but not as many nor as serious as last year. The “Fairy Cat Mother” truly was with our ’Cats last year.
To UK foes in 2010-11, we will be a force to reckon with. I kid you not.
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The good thing about "end results" is..
that they are never truly known until the end…So, I choose to expect the Cats to win every game until they lose one..then we will just win the rest of them..!!!
BlueOrion
I love that attitude. A true optimist!
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The cats wont be as good as last year, but by the time the NCAA is played out, they WILL win 30 games. I predict a final record of 31-7. You heard it here first.
I Think So, Too
But with a short roster, injuries can take their toll.
For example, the 1999-2000 Cats defeated both the NC (Mich St) and runner-up (Fla) plus shared the SEC title (with Fla).
But their short roster hurt when Dez Allison was suspended for SECT and NCAA.
by FortyYearCatFan on Sep 8, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
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Affirmative. And you’re right about UK having violated no rules. It isn’t a violation to give a kid a scholarship and later find out he is ineligble. It’s a violation only IF he plays. Cal was smart. He is already under the haters microscope.
He obviously knew something was possible with Kanter, and even though it would’nt have been a violation to have taken him on the Canadian trip, he wasn’t going to give these fakes
an opportunity to have something to speculate about.
Also it helped the team because if Enes does not get to play, the team will not have a bigger letdown to endure. One other item; I have come to the conclusion that these haters want to not only bring UK down; they also want to put huge doubts in a recruits mind about coming here to play.
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UK Signed Recruit In 2003 Who Was Later Found To Be Ineligible To Play As Amateur
Only difference then was UK didn’t announce it publicly.
No penalties whatsoever for UK then.
by FortyYearCatFan on Sep 8, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Love that thinking
Great for the team to have played without him. No mental block to overcome if he is never cleared.
No need to get worried
This isn’t an investigation of UK or Cal. As Forty said, he’ll either get cleared or he won’t, simple as that.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
Actually it is kind of nice to see the system working properly for a change.
And this IS A GOOD THING. Finding out now how this rule really works will prevent problems in the future.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
ha.
admitting that the NCAA is good for something, GAE, are you ill?? : )
Yes, you are right, there really isn’t a whole lot to worry about at present and there really is no need to worry about finding anything shady out now, you know, before Enes plays for us, ‘cause it’s pretty simple. If he is found guilty of compensation, he won’t set foot on campus nor don a UK uniform. Case closed.
actually BSC, he already did both of those things....lol.....
but he wont see the court. And truthfully there is no guilt here.He alread said he took money for things, the question is if what he took is more than the NCAA will allow. I dont really see that as guilt, just accounting.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
well, I see that you are
taking me quite literally this morning, eh? Yes, the playing for us is what I meant (and I’m pretty sure you know what I meant) — I meant anything that was considered actual official competition (they don’t just wear those uniforms to class, now do they? : )), or anything that could possibly be detrimental to UK
And, if he accepted more money than the NCAA will allow he’s still guilty of breaking the rules. Sure, he probably didn’t know he was breaking them at the time as I’m sure he didn’t read the NCAA handbook in detail, but he still did something that was against the rules, right?
Well, we dont know that, YET. All we know at this point is that he got money.
He said that, we told the NCAA that. The amount is what is in question here, and for what purpose. And yeah, I know what you meant….lol….I just couldnt resist…..lol….
Truthfully Mike DeCoursey had the really ultimate question here. Does Enes Kanter really want to go to college? That is the really big question. If he really does want to go to college, then the NCAA simply has to figure out a formula for how long to keep him out of basketball games. If he does not really want to go to college, then it is a moot point. But it does bring this question to mind. Kanter could have stayed in Turkey, made plenty of money, and had no hassles until the NBA scooped him up. So why come to the US if he did not want to play college ball?? He could simply collect another year’s salary, grab a jet and show up for the next NBA draft.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Kanter didn't break any rules
Neither did Cal or UK. It is a simple question on if he was paid as a pro or not.
Kanter is claiming it is the same as the money a kid going to prep school on scholly would receive. Kanter was proven to have never signed a contract, the team is just claiming they paid him a salary.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
Agree With That Summary
If he was paid a salary, he won’t be eligible to play NCAA basketball.
by FortyYearCatFan on Sep 8, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
That would be a cruel twist of fate, pay a fine to their league to get him back??
So that we don’t have to pay a penalty for playing him…..
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
GAE
Can’t argue with that. After all that’s what I’ve wanted for many years even though in this case we get the short straw.
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its ok AB......we will survive either way......and be pretty dang good too
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
And Boom goes the Dynamite
http://kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=59854
One of Thamel’s “sources” claims his quotes were misrepresented.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
As I was saying
there is something fishy about this whole thing and this Thamel clown is not credible in any way. He is desperate to make his reputation by bringing down Coach Cal.
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kywineman
Hee. Hee. Sort of like, “There’s something rotten in the state of Denmark.” LOL
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methinks I smell a rat.......named Pete..........
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
It is unbelieveable how ethics are thrown out the window when it comes to a Calipari witch hunt
And even more so when you see people like Seth Davis and Pat Forde climax on twitter because of it.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
Those are the last two people
I want to see climax in any manner.
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I think when they give out the Catspy's every year, there whould be a new one dedicated
to the most idiotic sports reporter of the season. The on who made up the biggest story on UK all year. Call it the P.T. Barnum Award For Outlandish Journalism…….
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Dont think he qualifies......he is not a real reporter.....lol....
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
btcoop
Thanks for the url, coop. Sounds like the same old 7 & 6. Don’t think it will ever end.
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Happy days are here again.
So anyone else notice that Thammel calls Kanter our "best recruit"?
I’m sorry but I don’t think I would call Kanter the best recruit in this class, 2nd might even be a stretch. ESPN has both Knight and Jones ranked ahead of Kanter and Lamb is only a couple spots behind. Just another example of playing the story up.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Knight > Kanter
But not any of the others.
by FortyYearCatFan on Sep 8, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Certainly this isn't breaking news or a revelation..
to the NCAA…they should have had kanter’s documentation for some time now. If it were such an open and shut case, then we should have had a ruling of “inelligible” well before now. My guess is that there is “more to the story” and this is yet to play out. Best case: Kanter is allowed to play. Worst case: Kanter won’t play. Either way the season will play out and we will love the show!!!!
Worst case is that he is ruled eligble then ruled not
and we end up like Memphis with no wins because the NCAA can’t figure out which direction is up
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Which is exactly what we dont want......better to face it now and get a CLEAR and CONCISE
ruling that will not be changed later.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, That Sounds Calipari-ish
It will be interesting to see what else comes out of the NCAA investigation. There are several other UK players on the NCAA “radar” not to mention the trail that Calipari continues to leave in his wake. We’ll see what happens, but this could be the first domino to fall and could get ugly if the NCAA expands it’s report.
There's No NCAA Investigation Here (With Kanter)
The Clearinghouse will determine if he’s eligible to play or not.
by FortyYearCatFan on Sep 8, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha......and we've seen recently how much the Clearinghouse
release means!!!;-)
You can't fix "stupid"!
Well, in this case, supposedly Sandy Bell and The NCAA rep will
both have to travel to Turkey to clear up any inconsistencies. If they then clear him and then come back again and say something different, I say we hang them by the gonads.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't feed the troll
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
HEY
NOT A PENALTY ISSUE HERE. Simple case of wether he can play or not. End of story. He has never played for us, so there are no wins to vacate. Go home troll.
Wake up and smell the coffee there genius. There is no investigation, no one has done anything wrong, (including Enes)
and there is nothing else to contribute to this……how I do love someone auditioning for the next installment of the Lord of The Rings.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Kanter will play
after sitting out the entire non-conference season. This has been the consensous I’ve heard for a long while now and I feel in my gut that this is what the NCAA will decide. Then the argument will become, will this destroy team chemistry half way through the season?
We all need to remember something here too. Enes has done nothing wrong in this situation, unless he lied to someone.And it appears as though he has not.
Accepting those benefits in Turkey is no violation. In Turkey. He would simply be ineligible to play in NCAA basketball, should those benefits be found to be impermissable.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions
I explained why I was worried
It’s not because I think Cal is cheating because he’s not. When you send 5 players to the NBA in one year you deserve to land any recruit you want. Tru has said it before " These other coaches, media, and haters are not going to stand by and watch us land 5 of the top 10 players every year." They are going to dig, make up lies, and stretch the truth until they turn blue in the face.
as long as that is what they are doing danial.....then it is no problem
let them keep making stuff up…..
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, if Tramel reported what the GM REALLY said then that is fair game.
Now if he twisted the words the GM told him, like he twisted what Crawfor told him and used the inferences in the wrong way, then Thamel really does have a problem. He has no idea how to do his job.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
In my prior job....
I was often quoted by the newspaper. It was always interesting to see what they put in quotes because often it was a paraphrase of something I said and slanted to support the writer’s position.
Afraid “journalists” have been doing it for some time. just a bit disappointed that John Clay would brush it off. however, if he brushed off the JT misleading reference to Ppat new car, he has to brush this off….
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Sep 8, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I have been quoted before, too.
They always got it right. Because I always sent my quote in an e-mail statement. No “interviews” for me.
Smart thing to do.
I offer that option to anyone I interview. Les “The Door” Smith from down Memphis way told me it was not necessary when I did the interview with him. But I sent him an advance copy of the article anyway. Same way I did with the Dicky Beal interview. I would not want anyone to think I was putting words in their mouth.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Paid off the NCAA?
No way. They are above reproach. The guy in charge in of the UK case is named Stanley Straightarrow. LOL
Happy days are here again,
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We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.
danial
No problemo, Amigo. Always glad to be accomodating. LOL
I don’t HATE anyone Danial. Sorry you took my remark in that light.
Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.
Lee Todd is stepping down as UK president
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
out of the blue???
no pun intended…
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Sep 8, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we quote you on that???
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I have sources!
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
I saw that over on KSR that WHAS is reporting it.....should we trust a Louisville "source"....???.....lol
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
3pm live news conference on the web at 27 WKYT
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey now
I had three college coaches confirm…no wait….I talked to the GM in this other country….no wait…
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
I am waiting until Alan Cutler runs him down and gets a quote direct from the source
That is when it is definite…….lol
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I will forever love the Cut Man for that
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
He tried to do an impersonation of himself with Joker the other day on the field at Louisville
but alas, there were so many people they could not run…..lol
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently the board was split on his
performance.
When I took my older son to UK we pulled up to Blanding and into a long line of vehicles dropping kids and their “stuff” off. At the head of the little side entrance into the circle was a couple who appeared to be talking to every car that pulled up. As we neared them in the line of traffic, I recognized the guy (this was his first year as President) but didn’t know who he was. Finally got there and it was Todd and his wife meeting the parents and offering bottled water……very impressive if you ask me. Don’t know anything in detail about his overall performance but it would seem the University is losing a good President.
You can't fix "stupid"!
The board has a couple of new appointees that think that Todd's plan is a joke.
One, the employee rep to the board, was quoted as saying that he felt like what Todd wanted, and what reality consisted of were so far apart it was not even measurable. I dont know how close this is to being a truth, but UK is ranked like 129 or something to that effect, and Todd claims to be pushing UK to becoming a Top 20 University.
Some of the board members feel like UK is getting away from it’s primary mission which is to produce college graduates. They feel like so much is being poured into the Medical College that other more basic needs are going unfulfilled.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Greg,
He wanted to be a top 25 “Research” University. He did make it a better academic institution though.
For those who don't know.....
this is the son who I took to UK in the little story above and who just passed the CPA exam!!!!! Congrats again!!!!!
You can't fix "stupid"!
I honestly dont know what he accomplished and what he didnt.
He seemed to be a decent kind of a guy, so for my money, that’s fine. But I guess the administration and employees did not feel the same way……not my forte’ so to speak.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Greg………..At first I thought this was some kind of joke. But my wife saw it on the 11:00 PM news. Last thing I thought would happen.
Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.
Happens to us all. But this was about his job, not the job Calipari and Co. are doing.....
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 9, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Here is why we have such a problem here.
This is The Son of Satan, Daimon Hellstrom, a fictional character
This is Pete Thamel his evil twin brother
Who is not a fictional character, he is a fictional writer…….thus the confusion.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions
Here is something
That will lighten your day……the 50 greatest college dunks of all time……
Uk players own # 47 and #2
And got faced on # 39
And that one at #2 is Old School…….care to guess who before you watch???
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions
They Missed The Best UK Dunk Ever
James Lee jumped over a 7-ft Soviet player and dunked in Nov 1977 exhibition game. UK beat the Soviets (who were best “amateur” team in the world then) 109-75.
by FortyYearCatFan on Sep 8, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Never Have Found Any
Uk archives probably have it.
by FortyYearCatFan on Sep 8, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
FortyYearCatFan
I know I said that I will live in the UK present from now on, but, man would I ever like to have some DVD’s of old time game films. Like the 1958 NC featuring the Fiddlin’
Five. "Nuff said.
Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.
There Are Snippets Of The Fiddlin 5 In 58 NC Game
But not not much of it.
by FortyYearCatFan on Sep 9, 2010 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember that one.....there were photos in the paper showing it.....massive.....
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I too was going to guess Jame Lee
But I could only think of his final points of the ‘78 championship game. Doesn’t really seem like a #2 to me. #47 maybe.
I almost guessed the guy actually on the list too.
Oh well. Lots of dunks like that in UK’s history.
Dwight Anderson comes in at 47
DeMarcus Cousins gets run over by Travis Leslie at 39
Dirk Minniefield starts his own highlight reel at #2
And Forty is right, James Lee could make Darryl Dawkins think twice about slamming one home.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions
Actually...
that was Derek Anderson at #47.
Dwight Anderson, who had some pretty dunks as best I recall, was a few years earlier.
Sorry....was trying to work and blog at the same time....lol
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 8, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Well to change the subject....
apparently the law firm investigating Bledsoe’s grades (and only his grades) will release their findings in the next week or so.
You can't fix "stupid"!
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