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Kentucky Football: Preparing For Akron

Could Heisman consideration be in this man's future?

As we move slowly but purposefully toward a date with the Akron Zips in Commonwealth Stadium, it's time to quit talking about Calipari and the basketball Wildcats for just a few minutes, and talk a little about the football team.

Yes, I know that Akron does not exactly constitute a big game -- the Zips are 0-2 with losses to Big East cellar-dweller Syracuse 29-3 and ... wait for it, you know it's a good one ... Gardner-Webb 38-37 in overtime.

Based on those results, and Kentucky's pounding of Western Kentucky last weekend, you would think the outcome of the Wildcats-Zips game is probably a foregone conclusion, and barring a catastrophe, you would probably be right.  But here at A Sea of Blue, we respect our opponents, however strong or weak they appear on paper, and we will be taking the Zips very seriously.

But for now, I want to highlight a couple of the stories floating around the Big Blue Interwebs:

Randall Cobb for Heisman

After his early season performance, Kentucky partisans can be forgiven for thinking this thought.  Randall Cobb is clearly one of the most exciting and versatile athletes UK has had on the football team in ... well, ever.  Yes, we have had great teams that could move the ball as a team.  Yes, we have had great multipurpose players like Rafael Little and some great individual players like André Woodson and Keenan Burton.

But Randall Cobb is truly a multipurpose offensive threat, and if college teams still played iron man football, he would no doubt be a defensive standout as well.  Cobb is not the biggest or the fastest player, but he is as tough as a piece of iron, and driven to succeed by the negative commentary of his foes, much like Michael Jordan was in his heyday.

Star-divide

On Saturday, Cobb figures to have another big day on the gridiron, and will have accumulated some impressive stats by the time the Wildcats charge into conference play down at the Swamp.  Right now, Randall Cobb is #18 in the nation in all-purpose yards and #45 in punt returns.  In the SEC, Cobb is #3 in all-purpose yards, the #5 punt returner and the #10 receiver.

Morgan Newton tries to keep it in perspective

As last year's starter, Morgan Newton figured to have a leg up at quarterback this year, but Mike Hartline won the spot primarily due to his more polished game management skills.  In this article, Newton talks a little about how it felt to lose the starting spot.

I am personally beginning to wonder if there is room at Kentucky for both Ryan Mossakowski and Morgan Newton.  Neither one of these guys are comfortable in a backup role, even though they will bite the bullet and do what is necessary.  That is both good and bad -- it's good to have two such talented guys on the roster, but it will be hard to hold on to both of them after this year.

I would not be at all surprised to see one of them lose patience and transfer after this year.  A lot depends upon who gets the reps this year, and which direction Joker wants to go with the offense next year.  If the offense is better served by a dual-threat QB, I think it will be hard for Mossakowski to sit in reserve for yet another year.  If Mossakowski wins the job next year, or gets most of the reps this year, it's almost a sure thing that Newton will look elsewhere.

The eternal debate:  Is the schedule tough enough?

In this article, Mark Story addresses what he calls, "cupcake fatigue."  Story and I part ways more often than not, but I think he nails this particular piece with his three-pronged argument why the Wildcats should upgrade the schedule cautiously.

Because Kentucky is still just climbing out of decades of futility in football, it makes sense to go slow, schedule conservatively, and make it the main objective to get to the post-season every year.  I would love to see UK play at least one more 50/50 game in the non-conference schedule, but keep in mind that the fact that Louisville is not currently at Kentucky's level doesn't mean that they won't be.

Football is not like basketball.  You cannot have big swings in quality from year to year, depending on the recruiting class.  In football, even if Joker were to land the entire top 25 next year, it would not make us much more competitive in the SEC, if any.  Football players take a lot longer to develop than basketball players, even the very best ones -- particularly at the line positions, where it really matters.

Anyone who watched the Cardinals compete against Kentucky back on Sept. 4th has to realize that this game is going to become competitive in a year or so with Charlie Strong at the helm of the Cards.  If Kentucky starts losing that game on a periodic basis, the path to the post-season becomes much harder.

Which takes us back to Story's argument -- when you can win eight or nine games a year, consistently, think about upgrading the schedule.  Till then, let us eat cupcake.

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We have to face it,

We are in one tough conference. But I like it. It will take quite some time for us to recognized, yeah, even like you say Tru. Even if Joker were to land all 25. :-)

And ESPN’s Chris Low says, add Randall to the Heisman Trophy watch list.
Here is the link again.“Kentucky’s Randall Cobb is inventing new ways to score touchdowns”.

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by a2d2 on Sep 17, 2010 8:37 AM EDT reply actions  

That is the SEC Heisman watch list, not the national watch list.

Cobb is going to need to handle the ball 15-20 more times per game to get consideration, much less have a solid shot at the trophy. He also has to maintain the kind of #s he racked up against UofL and WKU as the season progresses, which is going to be tough during the SEC stretch.

by mrmondaynite on Sep 17, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the correction Monday

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by a2d2 on Sep 17, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

What is a "SEC Heisman" ??

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This is a list of players from the SEC that Low would put on the national Heisman watch list. At what positions on the national list, who knows.

I totally agree that Cobb needs plenty more touches. I will always agree with that.

One day there will be a trivia question that asks:

Q: Who are Hartline, Newton & Mossakowski

a) a Central Kentucky law firm

b) three nice guys who are no longer in football who for some reason had the majority of UK’s best-ever playmaker’s touches running through them

I am never going to be completely comfortable with the fact that “b” will be the answer long after Cobb has gone on to bigger things.

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by HSLex on Sep 17, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is what I thought it meant

So, which is it??
I was excited to see Randall and Heisman together by someone other than a UK fan.

I hope you guys aren’t trying to confuse me.
;-)

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by a2d2 on Sep 17, 2010 3:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nah, you aren't confused.

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It is exactly what you thought it was.

A list of guys from the SEC who the author would put on the national Heisman list.

Randall is on a lot of people’s radar, for sure. But it is going to be hard for him to overcome the team’s likely overall season, and the fact that stat-sheet stuffing is going to get a lot harder soon- as far as the Heisman goes.

I will put it this way, though. There isn’t a player in the country I would trade him for. None.

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by HSLex on Sep 17, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Heisman ONLY went to a SEC player,

these are the 5 guys who would be on the short list.

by mrmondaynite on Sep 18, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely wasn't trying to confuse you, a2.

It was kind of presented by ESPN in a misleading way. Each of the conference bloggers apparently choose players from their conference that they think, if the award would only go to a player within their conference, would be currently considered.

So, right now, RC is the 3rd most likely – JUST IN THE SEC – to win the Heisman. If you include all other conferences, Cobb is likely in the top 20, but he is by no means 3rd in line to win the trophy.

by mrmondaynite on Sep 18, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Monday

I understand.

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by a2d2 on Sep 18, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great!

Enjoy the game(s) today! Let’s hope RC gets at least 30 touches today.

by mrmondaynite on Sep 18, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Petit fours

Agreed that we still need the cupcakes, but I think it’s time we upgrade to petit fours – cupcakes with some style. A few teams I would suggest:

Duke – lots of interest for both fanbases, but still a very winnable game
Army – with Ft. Knox nearby, we’d get plenty of local interest
Indiana – a bit tougher, but it renews an old rivalry game and is winnable
Ohio University – another MAC team, but an upgrade on Akron, since Ohio actually wins games. We need to continue to have a game with Ohio-based universities for recruiting

by sayeth on Sep 17, 2010 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Problem is that we are never going to get away from the Louisville/Western Ky/Eastern Ky/Morehead

rotation……Playing Akron is embarrassing though, kind of like playing gardner Webb in basketball…..oops!!! Did I say that??…..lol..

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 17, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would like to see us play an ACC team regularly

I seem to remember when we played Va. Tech and North Carolina with some frequency. We should be able to line up with several ACC squads with some success. A win over, say, NC State or Virginia, surely looks better than one over Eastern Kentucky or Akron.

by BCinVA on Sep 17, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

But how bad would a loss to either of those teams look?

I must admit I hate this line of thinking, but I am beginning to understand it.

Unless you are a top 20 team, top 10 actually, your SOS has nothing to do with what Bowl game you go into.It is strictly a matter of where you finish in your conference. Everything but those top 5 bowls is determined by your conference ranking….

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 17, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The other issue...

is that when you look at Florida/Georgia/USC/TN playing one less non-conference cupcake than uk, you have to remember that they each get to play BOTH uk and vandy where as we only get to play one of them. In other words, teh schools above get 2 CONFERENCE cupcakes and we only get one. Somewhat offsetting that is the fact that our permanent west opponent is Miss State

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Sep 17, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

EXACTLY!

we don’t want to chance beating a team who might give us some creditably when we can guarantee mediocre with beating a weak one!

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, you misunderstand.......

I dont see where we are going to get the credibility from…….and what purpose it will serve

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 17, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

beating a BCS team would get us more creditbility don't you think?

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right on—I have thought for awhile we’d do well to schedule a low-tier team from a BCS conference. Hell, scheduling a home and home with a PAC 10 team would give us an excuse to get out to the west coast, so someone like UCLA could be a good fit.

by chstrckwl on Sep 17, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is off the football topic,

but — Happy Birthday, Tru!! : ) (don’t forget to make a wish!)

by BigSkyCat on Sep 17, 2010 9:34 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Nice BSC

I add my wishes for a HAPPY one too.
Make it count Tru!

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by a2d2 on Sep 17, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Bug had a Birthday????

OK Fess Up, what did you ask for your birthday?? Bigger Antennae????

Happy Birthday Tru!!

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 17, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, BSC!

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by Glenn Logan on Sep 17, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

17th

good to know i share the day with such an esteemed individual. enjoy the day.

i've been waiting for this moment all my life...but it's not quite right.

by small balls on Sep 17, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

Same back at ya!

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by Glenn Logan on Sep 17, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice to discuss something

positive after the rest of this week!!! I think the last time we played a ranked non-conference team was Penn St….you can look it up to see how long ago that was.

Not saying we should jump into a tougher non-conference schedule but we SHOULD still have the home and home with IU or maybe even Duke or NC…..something that would be at worst 50/50 and still stir the fan base. There were a LOT of empty seats in the upper corners for Western.

You can't fix "stupid"!

by UKlvrJM on Sep 17, 2010 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Home and home with Duke in both basketball and football......

hmmmmmm……..that could get REALLY ugly……but be a lot of fun…..

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 17, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mentioned Duke because they're not

even close to a 50/50 but wouldn’t we all love beating them at least once EVERY year!!!;-)

You can't fix "stupid"!

by UKlvrJM on Sep 17, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh

if their good enough to be on Bama’s schedule, it’s good for me. Besides, at least people have heard of Duke.

(Watch for Cobb to get the Superfecta on Saturday.)

by hoboat33 on Sep 17, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Draw you own conclusions

http://blog.al.com/press-register-sports/2010/03/sec_football_by_the_numbers_te.html

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

add this article too

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2010-07-12/ranking-secs-nonconference-schedules

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Paris, I hate to say it, but I think I am going to have to change my thinking on this issue.

I too love to see us playing better teams and winning. But after looking at this over and over and over, I have come to realize that scheduling some of the “better” teams will not help us until we start winning inside the SEC. The only way our SOS is going to come into play this year is if we beat SC,Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, Auburn, Miss St, Mississippi, and Vandy. We must win all 8 of those games for our OOC schedule to matter at all whatsoever. Otherwise, all that matters is if we finish 2nd, 3rd, or 4th in our division. Because THAT my friend is going to determine our Bowl Game, and nothing else.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 17, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with your opinion.

If I checked right the last time we won more that we lost in the SEC ws in 1977. Pretty near 32 years ago
  So are we touting we play in the SEC or is it our excuse for not playing a better non conference schedule?
I don’t think the teams in the conference are going to forgo spring practice to let us catch up or agree to give us some of their recruits to better ourselves.
I’m not condemning any one for wanting us to get better. But is playing the weak the solution?
These high school recruits can read, well most of them, and they know who the teams in the conference can beat.
I say playing the weakest we can isn’t improving our fate. BUT that is only my opinion.

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baby steps Paris

At least we are going forward. No one likes to go backwards. It will take time. I can be happy with our schedule. Like Cincy said above, we have some tough conference opponents soon. A lot of schools from other conferences would like to compete against most of the teams we do.

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by a2d2 on Sep 17, 2010 4:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oops, cincy is below this

Phone’s fault. :-)

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by a2d2 on Sep 17, 2010 4:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree the conference schedule is what it is.

If we get lucky and win five in the conference then all the weak sisters have proved appropiate. But what if we win just three?
What have we gained?

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

See, I don't think we can gain anything.

OK, here is the scenario I am talking about.

We win all but 2 of our games. We lose to Florida and Auburn. We finish 2nd in the SEC East. We cannot play in any bowl game that factors into the BCS. the best we can hope for is an Outback Bowl game as the SEC 3 or 4…..it just doesnt help you unless you win the SEC East to have a tougher schedule.

If we win the SEC East, lose in the SEC Champ game we are still the SEC 2 and can go no higher than the Sugar Bowl, assuming the SEC 1 does not play in the championship game.

The truth is, a tough OOC only helps us if we and someone else are tied with perfect records, or 1 loss records…..and we are trying to get into a BCS Championship Bowl Game.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 17, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

let's win more than half our SEC games before we worry about going to the Sugar Bowl.

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly.........

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 17, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the three guaranteed wins is going to help us in what way?

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

only gets us to the 6 we have to have to get to a bowl.....

I used to think we would be getting a better bowl, but everything is so cut and dried now on where you go bowling at its not even funny…..and it is all determined by your conference ranking.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 17, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

and how are we progressing in the conference rankings?

We tied for fourth with the best team we’ve had in several years. Do you actually see us getting better than any of the four teams above us with the attitude we have currently?
33 years is a long time to wait for a winning SEC season.

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That tie was in the Eastern Division not over all conference rankings.

sorry

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I'm right about this. Mitch gets a $25,000 bonus if we go to any bowl game.

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Truthfully, as long as we continue to post winning records in

football, win at the top level in basketball, and women’s basketball….And make the progress we are making in the other sports, I have no problem with Mitch getting his bonuses. He doesn’t get as much as a lot of them do….

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 17, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mitch does OK

Florida Enters BCS Title Game With Top-Paid Athletic Director
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 University of Florida Athletic Director Jeremy Foley

 University of Kansas Athletic Director Lew Perkins
Jan. 6 (Bloomberg) — When Jeremy Foley was hired as athletic director in 1992, the University of Florida was emerging from National Collegiate Athletic Association probation, playing in an outdated stadium and seeking its first national title in football or men’s basketball.

Since then, the man who started his career as an intern in the Gainesville school’s ticket office built a program that won two national championships in both football and men’s basketball. The Gators football team will try for its third on Jan. 8 in the Bowl Championship Series title game in Miami against the University of Oklahoma.

The 56-year-old Foley is the highest-paid athletic director among public schools in college football’s top division, according to contracts obtained through open-records requests. His $965,000 in guaranteed salary can grow to more than $1 million after benefits and bonuses. The University of Kansas’s Lew Perkins is second at $900,000, followed by the University of Wisconsin’s Barry Alvarez at $750,000.

"The athletic director is more like a CEO of a corporation than a guy who hires coaches," said University of Florida President Bernard Machen, who will earn $416,000 in base pay this year. "Jeremy oversees everything from the sale of bonds for capital construction to tickets and sponsorships, and he manages more than 500 employees."

Foley hired Urban Meyer to coach the Gators football team beginning in 2005. The following season, Florida won its second national title. This season the Gators are ranked No. 2 heading into the title game against the top-ranked Oklahoma Sooners.

Gators Are Favored

Florida is a 3 1/2-point favorite over Oklahoma, according to Las Vegas Sports Consultants, which advises casinos on betting lines.

The Florida athletic director, who didn’t respond to an interview request, has managed $199 million in renovations to sports facilities during his tenure and oversees an $83 million budget. Joe Castiglione, Foley’s counterpart at Oklahoma, makes a base salary of $700,000, fourth in the NCAA.

The contracts were acquired by filing public records requests with each public university in the NCAA’s Football Bowl Subdivision. In some cases, salaries were obtained from state salary databases. Schools that aren’t required by law to disclose employee contracts, such as the University of Southern California, the University of Notre Dame and University of Miami, aren’t included.

"Athletic directors are no more important than faculty in any discipline, but they are paid proportionally more because salaries at a university reflect the outside marketplace, and American society clearly places a high value on collegiate and professional sports," said University of Kansas Chancellor Robert Hemenway, who announced his retirement last month.

Salary Comparison

Hemenway said that before setting Perkins’s pay, he conducted salary comparisons, reviewed non-salary arrangements at other schools, spoke with the Big 12 Conference commissioner and drew from his own observations and experiences on various NCAA committees. Perkins needed to be paid at or near the top of all athletic directors in the U.S., he said.

"Perkins runs athletics like a business — focusing on generating revenue while being efficient and keeping costs down," Hemenway said in an e-mail. "In five years, he has doubled the departmental budget and translated this financial success into concrete improvements."

Perkins declined to comment through Associate Athletic Director Jim Marchiony.

New Hiring Model

Chuck Neinas, founder of Neinas Sports Services in Boulder, Colorado, and a former Big Eight Conference Commissioner, said the days of hiring the retired football coach to run the athletic department are long gone.

Similar to bankers or lawyers, he said, today’s athletic directors need years of practical experience and contacts, plus skills in budgeting, hiring coaches, sports marketing and increasingly, fundraising.

Neinas helped place athletic directors Perkins, Castiglione and Missouri’s Mike Alden, as well as football coaches such as Alabama’s Nick Saban, Oklahoma’s Bob Stoops and Texas’s Mack Brown.

"It’s very difficult for someone to come in from the outside with no college experience and be successful," Neinas said. "There are many passionate constituencies that need to be managed, fiscal concerns, fundraising, academic challenges and you’re never going to satisfy everyone."

Ohio State University’s Gene Smith manages the biggest program in the nation with 36 teams and a $115.4 million budget.

Biggest Program

Smith, a former Notre Dame defensive end and assistant coach, spent two years in International Business Machines Corp.’s marketing department, then returned to college athletics as an assistant athletic director at Eastern Michigan. He later spent seven years as athletic director at Iowa State and five years in the same role at Arizona State, working on the NCAA’s Management Council, Committee on Infractions, Rules Committee and Executive Committee.

Neinas said schools are also looking to diversify their programs.

With retention and performance bonuses, some athletic directors can increase their income by $200,000 or more. Most also receive country club memberships, cars and spousal travel to athletic events.

 ——- COMPARISONS OF ATHLETIC DIRECTORS BY CONFERENCE -

==== SOUTHEASTERN CONFERENCE ====
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              Athletic Yrs at No. of Dept. Guaranteed
School Director School Teams Budget Base
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Florida Jeremy Foley 17 19 $83.1M $965,000
LSU Joe Alleva 1 20 $75.8M $550,000
Kentucky Mitch Barnhart 7 22 $67.0M $475,000
Arkansas Jeff Long 1 19 $51.8M $450,000
Georgia Damon Evans 5 21 $76.3M $420,000
Alabama Mal Moore 10 21 $77.0M $400,000
Auburn Jay Jacobs 4 21 $75.2M $355,050
Mississippi Pete Boone 11 16 $38.2M $327,400
Tennessee Mike Hamilton 6 20 $86.5M $314,575
S. Carolina Eric Hyman 4 19 $52.1M $309,065
Miss. State Greg Byrne 1 16 $31.8M $175,000
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SEC Average 6 19 $65.0M $431,008
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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry I didn't mean to post the entire article

Mitch is rated third in salary and didn’t we finish ninth in the all sports standing in the SEC last year.
And that was with winning both titles in basketball.

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Third in the SEC, but I would say he is not in the top 10 nationwide

and possibly not in the top 25

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 17, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

and he is not in the top 10

cant tell about the top 25, but he is 75k a year under #10

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 17, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

by the way, on that list.....Hamilton is overpaid....lol

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 17, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

the athletic program isn't in the top 10 either.

third in the SEC is good.

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by ParisGuy on Sep 18, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greg, I'm 63. Do I really think we are going to win six SEC games in my life time?

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

assuming we keep progressing....

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 17, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

PLEASE show me the progress.

The twelve game made us ‘progressivee’. What happens if they go to a playoff we we don’t get to play four non conference games?

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, let's look at this in this way

We are not alone in this. Look at Auburn, Tennessee, and the other mid-range SEC teams. If they are don’t beat Bama or Florida, they are no better off than we are. Their better bowl games are coming from reputation, ONLY when there is a tie-breaker situation. And we havent been in any of those that I can remember in a long time…..

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 17, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

and have this same conversation 10 years ago, or even 5 years ago and the numbers look much different.

We have moved from the basement to the middle of the road…..but its taking a long time.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 17, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you comparing Kentucky's football program, let's say over the last five years

to Auburn and Tennessee’s?
an average of 5th in the SEC East doesn’t put us in the mid range.

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am saying for all of their "former" glory,

They are now in the same boat we are in……

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 17, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting fact

Auburn beat Alabama 7 times in the last 10 years.

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

and they are still suckling at the hind teat.....so to speak

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 17, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

your right

we are just a little step from the top four in the conference.
or as shown, one of the bottom four in the conference.

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cupcake Schedule... yeahhh, riiiight.

Another reason to schedule a light OOC: Because when it’s done you’re going up against the SEC, yes, the SEC.

In this week’s AP Top 25, there are six Southeastern Conference schools in the top 16.
Kentucky will face No. 10 Florida, No. 13 South Carolina and No. 16 Auburn in coming weeks, not to mention a talented Georgia that fell out of the rankings after losing last Saturday to the Men of Spurrier.

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by cincyblue on Sep 17, 2010 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Just for the fun of it

Who do you think would be a safe, home and home’ opponent in the Big Ten?
The ACC?
The Big Twelve?
The Big East?

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

respectively.....

northwestern
duke
baylor
louisville

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Sep 17, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pick from the bottom 5 from each

ACC – Wake Forest, Duke, NC State, Virginia, Maryland (I’d stay away from Virginia and Maryland)
Big 12 – too far away, go with Big 10
Big 10 – Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Northwestern, Purdue
Big East – Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt, Cincinnati, USF (just keep Louisville on the schedule)

by hoboat33 on Sep 17, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would also prefer to stay way from NC State they look good last night against cinci

by ksp64 on Sep 17, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

very true

but that game isn’t going to happen

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good and all BCS schools

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

would beating any one of them be better than a guaranteed win against a MAC team or Western Kentucky?

It might show we are actually trying to show we are ready to stop the baby step idea.

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

yes, but we have to be able to beat them first...

i would say going 5-3 or 6-2 (heck even 4-4) in the SEC would be the biggest statement we could make….

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by memphis wildcat on Sep 18, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

How are we going to know if we can beat them or not if we don't play them?

4-4 with Woodson and bunch was the best we’ver done in several years

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by ParisGuy on Sep 18, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The bottom line is like it as it is

Mitch has reached his comfort level, best example, i.e, coach in waiting.
We don’t want to risk someone coming in and us not getting to a bowl. I think there is somewhere around 35 of them now.
Texas Tech didn’t seem to mind taking a chance and going after Tuberville. Wonder if he would have liked to stay in the SEC? We’ll never know. He only beat Alabama six years in a row.
Auburn took a chance.
We could have said Joker has the inside track and someone is going to have to be better to take it away from him.
I’m not bashing Joker and I hope he does win the SEC in a short time.

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 5:20 PM EDT reply actions  

It never ends.

Well, to each his own.

I’m not going down this road again except to say that UK is not going to pay the salary of a Steve Spurrier or Houston Nutt.

This is a basketball school. It will remain a basketball school probably until you and I are both dust. Forget about it.

Now, dealing with reality, Joker Phillips is every bit as good a coach as Charlie Strong, arguably better. He is as good a coach as Houston Nutt, in my opinion, but that’s certainly debatable since Nutt gets almost 150% more in salary. He may not be as good as Spurrier, but Spurrier has not really impressed yet at USC, although I think this year he has a real good team. Either way, Spurrier is maybe four or five years away from retirement, at most.

At the end of the day, Kentucky is either going to become an SEC mid-pack player with Phillips, or we are going to hire someone of about the same national caliber to replace him. Phillips earned this spot, in my opinion, and even if he can’t hold on to it, you are spitting in the wind if you think UK is going to hire a national name.

Never, ever happen. Ever. We tried it once with Bill Curry. How’d that work out? Never. Happen. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Sep 17, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is not a Joker issue anyway........

Any coach who comes in here faces the same situation…..win it all, or take what is left over. I dont like saying it, but it is the truth. Unless you are 1st or 2nd in the SEC, the scenery never changes…..in the overall scheme of things. If we start whipping UT, and Auburn, and SC regularly, then we can revisit this.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 17, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

again, didn't I mention I'm already 63

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

hehehe....I understand your concern.....lol...but it took us 60 years to get back to this,

who knows how long to take the next step

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Sep 17, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hope we never pay anything for houston nutt

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by memphis wildcat on Sep 18, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's wait on the comparison with Strong

Do you really think the best Kentucky can do is someone of the caliber who has never been a head coach ANYWHERE?
yea, probably, T. Martin is going to be the next coach in waiting if we beat Tennessee.
Spurrier has a pretty good resume in the trophy cases at Gainesville. Spurrier has beaten Florida while he’s been at South Carolina. Don’t try to compare any coach at Kentucky in recent years to Spurrier. That would be redicious.

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by ParisGuy on Sep 18, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I too am very tired of all the cupcakes that come to Commonwealth.

It is boring. People love to run around and brag that we went to a bowl game when we are 7-5. But if someone asked you who we beat, they would then say “OK I see how you won 7 games with that schedule.”

No one is asking to schedule USC, Ohio State or Texas. I would just like to UK add another BCS opponent so we can get some OOC wins against legitimate opponents. I have had this conversation on here with others before and I stand by my statement that “Folks are afraid to play anyone else in a BCS conference because they are not confident in winning.” Someone countered an argument up the thread by saying we shouldn’t play them (or schedule a bit tougher) because “What if we lose.” Well folks that is just Chickensh*t. If you are afraid to lose move to the back of the bus and let the big boys play,

On the one hand, people like to talk UK up because we went to 4 straight bowl games (and that is unprecendented around here for sure) but on the other hand, afraid to play bottomfeeders from other BCS conferences. Didn’t UK beat FSU and Clemson recently in bowl games? I am not even asking to schedule a team of that caliber. But why is everyone afraid? I know I will get responses saying “I am not afraid” and go on to list reasons why UK should not play tougher OOC schools. The only explanation to keep playing cupcakes is that you are afraid to step it up even a little because you are afraid to lose.

I see nothing wrong with adding a Wake Forest, Duke, Northwestern (or a very similar program) to our schedule. If UK traveled out of the region it could even help recruiting. I just don’t get the resistance to adding one more team that plays in a BCS conference.

Isn’t it time to show that UK is not the same old program? Or are you too afraid to test that theory?

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by SevenRings on Sep 17, 2010 6:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I accept your opinions

but again, things are going to change if we’re comfortable with where we are.
And apparently we are.

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by ParisGuy on Sep 17, 2010 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Apparently.

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by Glenn Logan on Sep 18, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't see the powers.....

giving up a home game and the money from it just to go play even a name “cupcake”. The only way a Duke or Indiana will play UK is a home and away series. Also, would a UK team that lost to even good UL and IU teams get national TV exposure against Florida with a 1-2 record? Or against Ole Miss with a 1-3 record and so on down the line? The key word in scheduling is money. The best bet would seem to be, as others have commented, changing the dates of games such as Vandy and UT to earlier in the season and spread the “cupcakes” around so they are not back to back so much.

by jpbluekat on Sep 18, 2010 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Florida, Georgia, Tennessee games will be on television because people want to see winners.

Yep, they would get the national exposure against Florida.
We want to brag about being in the SEC and then use is as excuse for having to play the weak.
Arkansas and Georgia is on TV to day. Florida and Tennessee also.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Sep 18, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Flash! I just saw where Alabama is upsetting Duke 42 – 0 in the first. LOL

And Alfred asked, "Quid me vexari?"

by alwaysblue on Sep 18, 2010 5:23 PM EDT reply actions  

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