College Sports: Some Good, Some Evil, and Some Crazy for Monday
After the last few days of, "all Sun-Times, all the time," it seems like a good time to talk a bit about some of the other stories of interest in college sports, some Kentucky related and some not.
First off, there is the Wildcats' Canada trip coming up soon. True Blue Kentucky reports that these games will be televised throughout much of the Commonwealth, and as such, we will be having the usual open game threads here on A Sea of Blue to talk about the games. If you think about it, it is really a treat to get to look at the 2010-2011 Wildcats at such an early juncture, even if the team will not be even close to complete due to questions about Kanter and Dodson.
But it should be fun, and even if Kentucky looks really, really bad, it will be a nice distraction from the sports dead zone we are now in.
GOOD

The second article up for discussion is this article by Ian O'Connor. In it, O'Connor talks about the conflict of interest created if Isaiah Thomas winds up getting to be a paid consultant for the New York Knicks while remaining the head men's basketball coach at Florida International University.
Contra O'Connor, I don't think that David Stern will do much, although I would applaud him if he did. Stern is all about the best interests of his league and its business, and is not much concerned about the effect the NBA has on college basketball. He has proven that over and over again with his comments on the "one and done" rule. So I really don't expect him to forbid this arrangement.
I do, however, expect either the NCAA coaches or the NCAA to condemn the action. The reason is obvious -- the possible impact on college recruiting and NBA drafting such arrangements could have. Trust me, if John Calipari was the guy who was doing this kind of deal, the outrage in college basketball would be of seismic, end-of-the-world proportions. The problem is, if Thomas can do this, so can Coach Cal, Coach K, and Ol' Roy. The lesser-known college programs are not going to be amused.
What does this say about Isaiah Thomas? I mean seriously, everywhere this guy goes, unethical things happen. Calipari gets all the heat, and this guy gets to act as if the world is his oyster, and all's fair in love and basketball. I cannot imagine any high-profile college coach like Bill Self, Jim Calhoun or Jim Boeheim even considering entering into a clear conflict of interest like this, yet for Thomas, it's just another day at the office.
In the end, I see the NCAA forbidding this type of arrangement. I think it would be great if Stern would save them the trouble, but I have zero confidence in Stern to look past his own league's self-interest. That is the pattern in his behavior ever since he was named Commissioner of the NBA.
EVIL

He really drove a Mercedes-Benz to high school?
Who am I talking about? Former UK recruit and now Kansas signee Josh Selby, of course. Gary Parrish has this article about Selby and why the NCAA has not cleared him, and the most egregious of the many reasons seems to be the fact that Selby drove a Benz to high school a few times at the end of his high school career. Parrish characterizes it thus:
Kevin Armstrong, writing for the New York Times, witnessed and wrote about it last April. The explanation was that it was on loan from a longtime associate and former summer coach, and -- I can't stress this enough -- it doesn't alone prove anything other than that somebody probably should've pulled the family aside and told them that driving that car would almost certainly invite scrutiny. I mean, I could grab a bottle of Woodford Reserve and hold it out my window while driving in circles around the police department tomorrow night, and there's probably nothing illegal about it, but it's a good way to ensure the police are going to stop me and ask questions. [Emphasis mine]
Classic. Not only is it an effective simile, but it is an anti-drunk driving spot and a commercial for good Kentucky bourbon as well.
Seriously though, I was always concerned about all the "flash" Selby seemed to have in his public utterances and even in his game. There is no doubt he is a remarkable talent, but I see a lot of O.J. Mayo in him, and we all know where that went.
Remember when John Wall came to Kentucky and it was revealed that he had a minor trespassing charge? Remember all the outrage, the aspersions cast on his character? Remember also that he was always humble, never flashy, and put his nose to the grindstone the moment he showed up on campus? Seems Josh Selby didn't get that memo.
CRAZY

What's up with Urban Meyer and bloggers? You probably saw this nonsense erupt in the media last week, but I confess, I have rarely seen a coach make such a strong reaction to "Internet people."
There are tons of unscrupulous actors on the Internet, to be sure, but attacking them is not good policy for any coach or athletics department. Not only are these guys read and respected, they are often more read and more respected by serious fans than actual local media writers. They can also make life very difficult for a coach and his team. A case in point here in Kentucky were several blogs that made a living ginning up anti-Tubby Smith sentiment.
Here's some advice to Urban -- coach your team. Let the bloggers do what they do. Treat them like the weather, and you will benefit. Treat them like the enemy, and you will regret it.
CRAZY

College football "oversigning" (where teams offer more players scholarships than they have available) is an unethical practice that has unfortunately become prevalent, especially in the SEC. Gregg Doyel characterizes it thus:
So is Houston Nutt. He's the worst serial offender of this trend known as over-signing. Sounds almost harmless, doesn't it? Over-signing? The "solution" also has a nice little sound to it: a grayshirt. A grayshirt, technically, is a player who doesn't get a scholarship for whatever reason, but has an agreement with the coaching staff that if he stays on campus for a semester, or even a year, he will get his scholarship eventually. Sounds civil, doesn't it? Never mind that the player was promised a scholarship and then he turned down other schools -- and other scholarships -- to sign with a team that, oops, didn't have a scholarship for him after all.
You will recall I objected strongly to Calipari's "encouragement" of several Gillispie holdovers to find scholarships elsewhere. Recall also I gave him a pass because of the coaching change. These football coaches don't have a coaching change to excuse them.
The practice of offering a scholarship and then withdrawing it is unethical and wrong assuming both parties did nothing offensive to the other in the interregnum between the contract and its implementation. In this case, these players often did nothing wrong, yet when they get to campus, they are thanked for their service and promised, "maybe next year."
By the way, there is nothing keeping the school from deciding to change it's mind the following year, either.
SEC Commissioner Mike Slive should immediately intervene and stop this process, no matter what the NCAA does. It is a stain on our league and a stain on college sports.
But this might be the worst of the lot, and thankfully, it was not in the SEC but in the ACC:
At Miami, meanwhile, Randy Shannon added two sensational late signees -- two of the best 15 recruits in the country, defensive back Latwan Anderson of Glenville, Ohio, and offensive tackle Seantrel Henderson of St. Paul, Minn. -- but found himself over the 85-player limit. So he cut senior defensive end Steven Wesley, who had redshirted as a freshman at the coaching staff's request and then had his fifth-year senior season taken away ... just because.
I have one word for this practice:
EVIL
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Over signing?
Guess that’s part of the reason the SEC is considered the “dirtiest” conference. I can see a new coach encouraging some guys to move on if those guys don’t fit his plans. But to boot a 5th yr. senior? Cold. And, I read that the kid from LSU had already started classes. Cold. Maybe these coaches took a page out of the airlines/hotel book.
I have some additional stuff on this oversigning nonsense over on
wildcatbluenation today after 2. It needs to be stopped. Interesting part is that we might actually benefit from Les Miles doing it as LSU this year. Nice to see that there is some outrage against others after Cal was hammered for his “housecleaning” at UK last year.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Oversigning
At least the airlines will offer you a free round trip ticket somewhere before booting you off the plane.
UK helped everyone of those kids get in somewhere if that was what they wanted.
does no one remember that Coury ended up at Cornell? Or that Pilgrim ended up at OSU? Both as a large part of those programs. You know that it was no coincidence that Pilgrim ended up on a team coached by a UK Alum.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Pilgrim Maybe UK Helped
But Coury to Cornell had little to do with UK.
He was a walk-on at UK.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 9, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
And he was not offered a basketball scholarship at Cornell either.
OTOH, he got to play basketball with a guy who can solve a rubix cube and tell you how many toothpicks you dropped on the floor. Even trade I’d say.
YEP,
no schollies at Cornell…………even trade :)
by bigbill992001 on Aug 9, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
you telling me that no one thought that the fact that he had started at UK had anything to do with him playing at Cornell?
And regardless of the scholarship, he did get in. Simply playing at UK makes a kid a target if he wants to go elsewhere.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
and then Cornell makes the NCAA tournament......and ends up playing UK??
tell me that there was not someone intervening there…..no matter how high up they may be
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Not At All
Coury got into Cornell because of his academics, not because he played at UK.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 9, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
it's summertime AND there's UK basketball on t.v.??
I’m in heaven.
by blue kentucky girl on Aug 9, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions
We get fox sports south so I'm looking forward to seeing some summer bball ...
What’s up with an 11 am game on Tuesday(?) though?? ,,,, That should be easy to get a ticket for … I’ll be at work so I’ll have to sneak a peek on the I-net I guess …. :)
I hope we have an open thread for these games!
I might have to sneak a peek….or several….during work too :)
by blue kentucky girl on Aug 10, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Cat Messes With Tebow's Head
And it’s not Taylor Wyndham. Wesley Woodward was the barber of choice.
"When the people fear their government, you have tyranny. When the government fears the people, you have liberty." — Thomas Jefferson
by Wild Weasel on Aug 9, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Oops, Woodyard
"When the people fear their government, you have tyranny. When the government fears the people, you have liberty." — Thomas Jefferson
And all Dez White had to do was carry some shoulder pads .... good thing Denver didn't pick him.
Give Tebow credit for trying to create chemistry on his team …
Gregg Doyel is a whiner with issues.
And oversigning is only an issue if you continue to pretend that college football is something which it isn’t – and that is anything other than the NFL’s minor league.
Red Cup Rebellion - Changing the Culture of Ole Miss Athletics
Take a picture, trick.
by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 9, 2010 1:24 PM EDT reply actions
regardless of the fact that Doyel has issues, making scholarship offers to kids and then
not giving them to them when they show up for school is less than honorable, and that is putting it nicely. It would be one thing if it was another coach coming in or something to that effect, but this is the same coach offering the scholarships and then taking them back before the kid can use it……that’s wrong……dead wrong.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Market information should correct against this.
Once a coach becomes known for doing it, the kids should seriously consider whether signing with that coach and his school is the way to go. After a coach has done it for a while, I suppose it is reasonable to say “you knew it was snake when you . . .” signed the LOI.
Of course, it would still be wrong. But at that point, the victim should have known enough to evaluate the risk.
Then answer this:
When I was an undergraduate at Ole Miss, I was entitled to more than a full ride’s worth of scholarships for various academic achievements. Much of that money was mine under the condition that I maintain at least a 3.5 GPA per semester. Had my GPA dipped below 3.5, I would have been put on a semester’s worth of probation, and had I maintained a low GPA after that probationary semester, my scholarships would have been rescinded entirely. Thousands upon thousands of dollars were mine, so long as I met certain conditions.
How is this different than coaches saying “yeah, you get an athletic scholarship, so long as you demonstrate athletic value?” Swap the word “athletic” with “academic” and the school essentially did the exact same thing (as does any school offering such scholarships) to me.
Did I find this dirty? No. T’was a business decision. The school was investing in me. If I wasn’t returning somewhat on my investment, they were gonna cut me off.
And to finish the story, I maintained a 3.5+ GPA (3.63 to be exact) and graduated in four years without a single penny of debt.
Red Cup Rebellion - Changing the Culture of Ole Miss Athletics
Take a picture, trick.
by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 10, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I do believe it is different
One is an objective measure (maintain a certain GPA) over which the student has near total control. The other is subject to the whims of a coaching staff, which the player can do little to influence. The former is set up for you to succeed – perform up to your potential, and you will be rewarded, and it is not a zero sum game. The latter, however, is set up for failure – coaches are recruiting players knowing full well that if everyone plays up to a hall of fame caliber, they still can’t honor the commitment due to the numbers. That, to me, makes it different.
To be clear, if that’s the deal that players are knowingly entering into at the outset, fine. But I’m guessing that’s not highlighted in the recruiting pitch on mom and dad’s sofa. . .
It's summertime - go Reds!
Agreed
These are apples and oranges. I’m willing to bet when those coaches were in the players’ living rooms, they didn’t mention “Oh hey, we may or may not recruit over you and kick you to the curb in a year.”
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
I wonder how many recruits a coach is going to sign when he comes into their
parents living rooms and says, we want your son as long as he suits our business model…….lol…..
Can you see Nick Saban going into a kids house and laying out his “business plan” for the family> I think not. These coaches recruit with words like team, family, future, providing a safe and secure environment for their child, that kind of stuff…..and then they throw in that part about 100K people watching them every Saturday, national TV exposure, etc. all those things they get if they become part of the “team”.
Maybe this is why the NCAA is really looking into this agent nonsense. Maybe they finally figured out that the kid deserves someone sitting on his side analyzing the schools’ “offer”. Maybe it is finally time that it does become a “business” decision? But wait, if that happens, shouldnt the players get paid for their services? Guess that barrell of monkeys will get a little crazy if it gets opened. No, I am sorry, these coaches get on TV and spew about how they treat their players like their own kids. They take great pride in “selling” that idea. If they want it that way, then they have to treat them like family members 100% of the time…..not when it suits them.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
not to mention the fact that the young man never got the chance to live up to
his potential……he never saw the field…….that is like cutting off your head because you have a scar you want to remove from your neck. Les Miles took the easy way out, AFTER THE KID SHOWED UP FOR SCHOOL AND MOVED IN, and before he ever played a down.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
This is what makes what Les Miles did so slimy
Its not like the kid played a year and didn’t live up to expectations, he was never given a freaking chance.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
I dunno.
It just comes off as a fairly standard business practice to me. College football isn’t some virtuous competition amongst amateur scholar-athletes, despite what we want to believe. It’s a big businesses and schools and coaches are going to do whatever they can to get ahead.
And remember, don’t hate the player, hate the game.
Red Cup Rebellion - Changing the Culture of Ole Miss Athletics
Take a picture, trick.
by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 11, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh it is most definitely the game we are hating on.......
but the guys who are in charge are going to take the heat. Especially when they are sooooo willing to make themselves look bad by doing stupid things.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Cats FG Over Cards
BetUs has UK -3 over UL.
"When the people fear their government, you have tyranny. When the government fears the people, you have liberty." — Thomas Jefferson
Check this out
Nick Saban is already the poster boy for selfish and capricious behavior in this regard. As we have covered before, he over-signed by TEN PLAYERS last year! He got some to transfer and some to gray shirt and – voila! – ten were suddenly gone from the roster. Oversigning.com pointed out that Alabama only has nine seniors now on scholarship and with two gray shirts counting towards next year, they will have but seven more spots plus the juniors that leave early. They already have 16 verbal commitments for next year. So get used to "egregious" at Alabama.
Then, to be particularly harsh, Les Miles at LSU dumped a player the day practice was supposed to start. The official explanation to the press? “Coach made every attempt to get him to stay but the young man wanted to leave,” LSU media relations director Michael Bonnette said. That wasn’t quite the way that an 18 year-old Elliot Porter saw it. “He just told me that they didn’t have room for me. I moved out of my dorm today and I am now back home trying to figure everything out. It’s been a rough 24 hours. I want to be somewhere that I am wanted,” Porter said. "I understand how things are going at LSU, and they didn’t have room. To me what happened today wasn’t fair. But it’s how things go. It’s a business. And I fully understand that now."
He UNDERSTANDS IT NOW? I thought these kids and their parents/“handlers” knew this crap already.
Anyway, visit the site if you wanna know more.
In what universe...
Stern is all about the best interests of his league and its business, and is not much concerned about the effect the NBA has on college basketball. He has proven that over and over again with his comments on the “one and done” rule. So I really don’t expect him to forbid this arrangement.
…could David Stern allowing Isaiah Thomas to hold a position with the Knicks be considered in “the best interests of his league”?
Though I suppose it does give the other 28-odd teams a place to dump their bad contracts.
3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.
it probably is in the best interests of the league to get the Knicks back into playoff contention
but is says even more about how much of a lowlife Stern is. He cares for nothing except guaranteeing his own control over a boatload of money and power and fame. No wonder players need a union in the NBA.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Yeah, but allowing Isaiah Thomas to be part of the Knicks is the exact opposite of getting them back into contention
3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.
I dont know though J......Thomas would now be privy to "insider" info on recruits and such.
Would an opposing coach make information available to Thomas knowing it would get to the Knicks??
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
See, that's the Knicks problem
They’re trying to get info on guys that are being recruited to places like Florida International. ;-)
It's summertime - go Reds!
That information won't help the Knicks
If there was no draft, like baseball ~50 years ago then perhaps. But what is Isaiah going to tell them that they won’t find out from their own scouts, workouts, existing recruiting sites/analysts, etc?
On top of that, has Thomas ever done anything that would lead you to trust anything he says about player evaluation?
3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.
The Knicks must just trying to
get him a little more income to keep the picture of someone with a donkey out of the press.
Big Blue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l0hqBdTAI8&feature=related
Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.
UK Would Have Defeated Duke
So says Dick “Hoops” Weiss in this Larry Vaught piece and Calipari needs “program players” to win.
"When the people fear their government, you have tyranny. When the government fears the people, you have liberty." — Thomas Jefferson
Weiss Nailed It
Huggins is 8-1 (career) versus Calipari-coached teams at UMass, Memphis, and UK.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 14, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions

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