Kentucky Basketball: The Sun-Times Doubles Down
One day after receiving a letter demanding the removal of this paragraph from an article on one of its websites, the Chicago Sun-Times has come back with an even stronger claim against UK recruit Anthony Davis and the University of Kentucky. First, the paragraph that was removed:
The rumors/sources that have Davis choosing Kentucky are also alleging that the commitment cost $200,000. Davis Sr. has flat out denied everything.
This morning, the Sun-Times has this article (Hat tip: BlueCollarMan) which doubles down on it's earlier redacted claims and now insists that at least three sources are telling them that Anthony Davis was for sale to the highest bidder at the behest of his father, and it was "someone" related to Kentucky:
Sources told the Sun-Times the father of 6-10 Anthony Davis, a highly recruited senior basketball player, negotiated a deal that promised $200,000 from someone who wanted Davis to commit to Kentucky.
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Sources from three separate universities told the Sun-Times that Davis Sr. asked for money in return for his son's commitment, with the amounts ranging from $125,000 to $150,000.
So my question is, is the source that reported the $200,000 deal different than the other ones? Because if not, somebody is $50k short there. But whatever.
I have no idea as to the truth or fiction of these claims, but I am going to operate from a presumption that Kentucky did not, in fact, promise $200,000 to Davis through some unknown and unnamed "someone." I'll lay out my reasoning for operating from that assumption a bit later.
I cannot gainsay the Sun-Times because they claim to have sources, and this article clearly was edited for accuracy (unlike the first one until this rewrite). I think we have to take such allegations as at least facially accurate -- sources are telling the Sun-Times these things. I do not believe, however, that the Sun-Times sources are telling them the truth, but rather passing on rumors at best.
So what is going on here? I really don't know for sure, but I do know this -- If I went out and tried to find three people who would tell me that a random basketball star had asked for money in return for his college commitment, I guarantee you I could get three people to tell me that, or tell me that they had heard it rumored from "reliable sources."
What separates that sort of anecdotal story from a real news story is the reliability of those passing along the information. We are denied the ability to evaluate the reliability of the Sun-Times' information, because they have refused to name the accusers. "Sources from three separate universities" could mean anyone from the compliance staff to a student off the street. They don't even trouble to use adjectives like "usually reliable" or "well-placed" that you so often see in anonymously-sourced news stories.
So what is wrong with this? Several things, not the least of which is the potential damage done to the recruit. The Sun-Times is essentially daring UK to prove them wrong here, and given that the Sun-Times has claimed access to information that is not generally known and the source of which they are unwilling to reveal, it is difficult for Kentucky or Mr. Davis to take action against them without a protracted, detailed and expensive investigation.
Here is what I think happened here, and this is my opinion only: The Sun-Times defamed UK and Anthony Davis on Wednesday, and got caught in that act. It knew that a lawsuit was likely, and to forestall that lawsuit, it went out and found three witnesses who would vindicate their earlier story. They don't need to be reliable sources in this case, they merely need to be facially unconnected with the newspaper and have substantially the same story. The veracity of their charges is not particularly important to the Sun-Times, they merely need to be plausible.
For that reason, they will remain unnamed. The Sun-Times will claim journalistic privilege to protect its sources, and only through an expensive discovery process would they by forced to disclose them. I strongly suspect they will not even disclose them to the NCAA.
If UK sues now, it has a much higher threshold to cross. It can no longer allege negligence, which was clear in the first article, but must prove actual malice. That bar is, for all intents and purposes, too high to reach without paying out a small fortune in investigative and legal bills which would be unlikely to be recovered from the financially strapped Sun-Times. By writing the article this way, the Sun-Times has effectively inoculated itself against a defamation suit, except at great cost to either UK or Mr. Davis.
As I said before, this is my opinion of the matter and nothing else. I have no evidence other than what is available on the Internet, but the explanation is logical and reasonable given the circumstances. I also believe the Sun-Times has acted so unethically and irresponsibly that it is not reasonable to give them the benefit of the doubt they would normally be due.
If the charges turn out to be accurate and the Sun-Times reveals their sources, I will retract my statement above and apologize in public, not because I must, but because it would be the right thing to do. But I strongly suspect the Sun-Times in this matter, and their behavior in the first case and the lack of logical support for the charges that they have levied is the driving force behind my reasoning.
So why do I think it is not logical for UK to do this? Well, in the first place, Kentucky does not need the commitment of Anthony Davis enough to spend $200,000 on him, even if Kentucky were the lawless brigand that the Sun-Times article portrays them as. The article, among other things, suggests that UK is using back-channel methods to "buy" players with huge amounts of money. I want each and every one of you to think back -- how many times have schools who have violated NCAA regulations been accused of offering 6 figures to a player? I can't think of one, offhand. Most of the time, the money is accumulated over a period of time and rarely amounts to in excess of $100,000.
Second, we can't help but wonder where the money would be coming from. Could UK be just that evil, and be sending $200,000 from boosters to pay for a player? Sure, it's possible, although that sure is a lot of money for a player that just recently got noticed. There is also the question of why UK would do that -- top talent has been throwing itself at Kentucky since Calipari got here, ostensibly without being offered $200K. Are we to believe Calipari is ponying up the $200K from his personal fortune? I suppose that could be, but what would be his motivation? Is UK any more likely to win the National Championship with the addition of one more top recruit to the stable they already have in hand?
In the end, though, we will never know about the veracity of these claims, and nothing will come of it. Why? They simply don't pass the smell test, and there is no logic behind them. That doesn't mean they are false, it just means they are unlikely at best.
So I call on the Sun-Times and the alleged witnesses -- come out of the shadows. Help us clean up college basketball. If UK is really this filthy, I want everyone associated with this mess fired and prosecuted tomorrow morning, starting with president Lee Todd and working its way all the way down. This sort of behavior is intolerable, if true, and even though Kentucky is my favorite team, I would spare them not a whit if they were involved in something so nefarious.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant, they say. Come out of the shadows. Tell the truth. Offer proof. Let's get rid of all the bad actors we can.
Or shut up, and stop hurting other people with anonymously-sourced stories that are facially unbelievable.
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I'll sign for $50k right now
I can’t dunk, and generally suck at basketball, but think of the discount! You could get 4 of me for just 1 Davis!
Seriously, this story is laughable. We get Davis, great. We don’t, oh well. He’s not worth $200, let alone $200k. No one is, especially considering all the other recruits.
But I guarantee you this – in about 10 years, this story will become part of the “truth” of JC’s reputation. Feel free to start writing that rebuttal article now. . .
It's summertime - go Reds!
Won't the Sun-Times article discourage Davis from choosing UK?
If I were him, I would take UK off my list to avoid the appearance of impropriety.
That is the net effect of what the Sun-Times has done.
That just means you got a better offer from someone else.
There is no avoiding the implication for Davis now. Might as well stick with UK if that is your choice.
So let me get this straight
The Sun Times thinks UK paid 200K to get Davis, yet paid 0 for John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins, Michael Gilcrest, Brandon Knight, etc.
They did employ Jay Marriotti, so I guess we should have known how stupid they are.
And Tru is exactly right, The S-T got caught with their pants down and are trying to use news speak to cover their asses.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
Heh.
Kind of flies in the face of reason, doesn’t it? :-)
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Davis
I wouldn’t touch him with a ten-foot pole now. UK does not need this young athlete, and the risk is too great. Backing off would show all those who believe UK is a cheater that it doesn’t need to cheat and refuses to play this game.
It is put up or shut up time for UK now.
I agree.
I think we should try to get him just to hear all the heads explode. If we are innocent of wrongdoing, we should not be afraid to pursue Davis regardless of the allegations.
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No
UK could be completely innocent of all this mess. However, the Davis family is also tainted as asking for money. I say back away.
I love UK basketball as much as anyone, but I want them to conduct a program ethically, both in fact and in appearance. No matter if this turns out as UK proved innocent, the slime has already stuck to the program. It is beyond time for it to stop.
Davis' family claims they did not ask for money.
I believe them.
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Why would you believe them?
On what basis? Do you know them?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Why would I not?
It’s a he-said/she-said. Who should I believe?
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Tru, these are just basic differences between UofL and UK fans
We are inclined to trust our recruits and their families at their word and view a glass as half full. UofL fans are obviously having many trust issues of their own right now, making them much more cynical in their world view. Just kidding, Hoze… it was too easy! :)
I left TN and now I am back in the Bluegrass... just in time for Football and Keeneland! Life is great!
by sleepytimetea on Aug 6, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Au contraire
The view of my world has recently been validated.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
when you see everything from the viewpoint of your head buried in your backside
that really isnt much of an accomplishment…….
Lord I apologize……….;-)
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
I want an ethical program, too.
But if you accept the rumor that Mr. Davis was asking for money, would you not have to give more credence to the claim that UK negotiated a $200K payment to Davis through a representative?
I don’t see how you can just believe half the story here.
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Tru
I don’t know whether to believe either half of the story. I do think that the S-T has lawyers on its side reviewing the situation too. That makes me nervous. Therefore, if it is beyond time to stop this madness, then UK should stop. Period.
I guess my question is ...
… what “madness?” If UK has done nothing wrong, why should they stop? If they believe Davis Sr. did ask for money, I am confident they will no longer recruit him. But I doubt that is the case.
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Let me go at this another way
I want UK to be completely innocent in all this situation. However, as you say, “the S-T doubles down.” Now, in order to do that in the face of UK’s attorney letter, S-T counsel would also have to be involved. If they doubled down after legal advice, doesn’t that make you nervous? Doesn’t that make one wonder whether there is some evidence the attorneys are relying on?
No problem.
To answer your question, it doesn’t make me nervous at all. I suspect the S-T of performing a kind of damage control, which I outline above.
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Under the logic that the whole story is true or untrue supports Davis going to UK.
If true, UK knew Davis was asking for money, and it offered it, and it was accepted. To part ways now means UK acknowledges that Davis is tainted, which means that Davis made the demand, which means that UK probably played the game. So keep him and hope for the best.
If untrue, Davis made no demand and UK made no offer. Davis should not be punished for a lie rumor nor should UK back away from every clearn recruit some DA news reporter claims can only be signed by paying the dad. So do the right thing and let both victims (UK and Davis) stick together through this.
Would set a bad precedent...
…if Kentucky backed away from any recruit with any bad press. We didn’t back down when John Wall walked into a vacant house so we shouldn’t back down based on rumors published in a ragsheet. Other coaches would just try to generate a little bad press for any recruit they were interested in that was leaning toward UK, too easy to do.
Don't be affraid to be the best
When you are at the top, others try to knock you down.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
Eric Bledsoe's coach asked for money if you believe those rumors
Would you have dropped him too?
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
I agree with this, and further,
If we back off, it would simply be reported as tacit acknowledgment of the truth of these rumors.
AGREE 200%
Davis needs to come here now more than ever. The hardest part of being a giant is learning not to react to the villager’s pitch forks.
There is another phrase: Tail waggging the dog. Dangerous place to be once you start reacting and not remaing focused.
Besides, I still see this like JFK buying votes in Boston – WHY?
Sour grapes and loose lips folks.
Remember when we couldn’t buy press a few years ago? GO CATS!
Changing how you think will change what you think.
Heh.
Does the Fake Pat Forde count? He’s given an opinion. :-)
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The S-T needs to contact me.
A trustworthy and loyal source (my dog) let me know a friend of his (who lives with North Carolina grads) overheard a discussion about the Kentucky payoff. During the conversation they said a friend told them the information was passed to Mr. O’Brien because the Davis family kept the $125,000 NC had given to them. HEADLINES! HEADLINES!
I've got 4 sources that say Michael O'Brien wears women's underwear
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
I'll write up a story, that is 5 sources now
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
You know, a few years back, Patrick Swayze did a movie
about an ol’ boy from Kentucky who moves to Chicago and becomes a cop, his brother tries to move there and make a living and ends up getting killed by a 2 bit hood. The “Next Of Kin” show up to educate those Chicago boys about how things are done in Kentucky when someone does something blatantly stupid and malicious. Maybe we need to pay those folks a visit and “learn them some manners” .
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 6, 2010 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hell... at $1,000 OJ Mayo was a steal!!!!
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Aug 6, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I know this is subtle
but a careful reading of the latest S-T story indicates that all its allogations are against Davis Sr. asking for money and receiving money. Nothing in the story indicates that UK paid the money. Of course, the insinuation is that someone representing UK paid it. But, not being an attorney, does UK have any actionable claim?
i think that is subtle
but and important point. seems the ST is trying to position themselves…
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Aug 6, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
The position they currently are in is in the middle of the cross hairs
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
And I am an expert marksman.......I guarantee you I will not shoot it on my leg.....
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
The problem is ...
… they would have to prove actual malice rather than simple negligence, as I indicated above.
That is a very high bar to reach.
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I think Tru is one of the sources....
traffic was getting slow around here and he really needed to stir things up…
The following is a true story – i guess i should be a STsource…my dad went to his doctor (in lexington) and the doctor said another patient who knew a former UK coach who said that when he went to recruit big time players, the parents always asked him what was in it for them.
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
Shouldnt the title of this article be Sun Times "Dribbles Down", not "Doubles Down"
I mean in light of recent events……
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
I really thought you would use the word "disgusting"
I had a much more appropriate retort for that one…..lol…..but point taken…..
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
In more breaking news........
I have “15” reliable sources telling me that UofL purchased the Sun Times just three days ago. Concidence, I think not!
muchadooo bout nuttin
good piece tru. i too would like to see the S/T own up or shut up.
I have kleptomania,
but when it gets bad,
I take something for it.
I dont know if anyone has looked at this or not, and it may have been linked before
but his kid does not strike me as the greedy type, and neither do his parents. I know it is a short article, but do greedy parents take their son OUT of the limelight?
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
there you go again....
letting the fact get in the way of a good story…
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Aug 6, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Well I 'told' you so.
As I thought, UK sending that letter wasn’t quite the right thing to do. Live and learn.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Oh Bull Crap!......................That letter was EXACTLY the thing to do, and you know it.
Your self-sanctimonious nonsense is all the more reason I have learned to loathe the press. All of the bile and venom you spew in the name of being right is for the birds. People like you are the very reason that psychopaths snap and go postal on crowds of innocents…..but I mean that in a most understanding way……
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
If you still think it was the right thing to do, I'd like you to explain it.
A little over the top today? It’s really not necessary to respond to each and every post, unless you have something to offer of substance. People like me are the reason people go postal? That’s either sad or funny…I can’t decide. You really have to stop taking yourself so seriously….and taking me so seriously for that matter.
My point yesterday was that UK should have left it alone, that no one believed the story. Instead, they decided on hiring a law firm that encouraged the Sun-Times to go further with the story. What a knee-jerk reaction by UK (who’s running that outif anyway?). Now they are suffering the consequences.
Excuse me while I take a trip to the post office.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Your point is not only ludicrous, it belies the nature of what is happening here.
1) The story is out and out slanderous. The Sun-Times should be required to prove it or print a formal retraction.
2) We take enough of this crap here at UK, and I for one, along with many others am tired of taking it lying down.
3) The knee-jerk reaction, as you call it, shows exactly how serious UK is about defending it’s reputation, a trait I am very proud to say I appreaciate. There are far too many people in this world running their mouths about others with no consequences for their actions. This time this individual is degrading the character of a kid and his parents, for no apparent reason, other than some anonymous “sources”. They know they can push this farther without having to prove it, and it is increasing circulation and web hits, so they are benefitting monetarily from it.
4) And besides, I like giving morons flack…..it relieves stress. I should feel like a million bucks by the time today is over.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
You crack me up.
Stress? You sell insurance in a small town in Kentucky, right?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
yeah, I work for commissions in the 2nd most economically depressed area of the state, in the worst economy the country has seen in
70 years…..what kind of stress could I have?
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Well good for you. Sounds like a garden spot.
‘This is the life we have chosen’
Hyman Roth
Godfather II
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Aug 6, 2010 4:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I chose it before it got this way......so spare me the hollywood epitaph.....
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Well then quit your whining.
Some people should spend more time actually working & selling and less time playing on the blogs. That way, one can even be successful when times are tough.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Aug 6, 2010 7:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No one whined......you ran your overactive mouth and I responded. Pretty much the same way I would have
had I been talking to someone who actually knew something about the subject matter they were discussing. And when I need your self-help advice I will ask for it
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
stick to the point.....it will keep you out of places you shouldnt go
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
HozeKing
As I’ve said before, you should give serious consideration to taking a trip to the nearest Freeway and play thereon.
Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.
Here is O'Brien getting confirmation
from his third source…….they got it on tape!
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
It turns out that O'Brien is willing to name his three sources after all......
They are Pete Thamel, Bobby Knight and Hoze!
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
in for a penny?
a) Tru, this is literature. As usual.
b) I’m quite persuaded by your assessment of ST having retreated into a bunker of unwinnable legal waste. Still, now that we’ve sent the letter, I can’t help but wonder whether we aren’t already “all in,” like it or not. Bottom line: no matter what else happens, what ST printed today is harmful to us, even if only in terms of its effect on future recruits on the street. And if we don’t respond at all, aren’t we just leaving that blood in the water? We all know ST and their “sources” aren’t the only sharks in the water. If we don’t respond, can we really expect this sort of attack not to proliferate? On the other hand, we really did throw down the gauntlet with Wednesday’s letter. Personally I can’t think of how any response now, short of swift legal action, will smell of anything besides fear… just more blood in the water. Thankfully, if nothing else, our actual rhetorical and legal options are not limited to what I personally can imagine——there may well exist a trump maneuver, a Good Guys" response in kind to what ST did today. That is certainly the type of thing we are paying Sturgill et. al. for. But back to what I can personally imagine, short of some brilliant legal and PR coupe like that, I’m just having trouble making myself believe we can really afford not to sue. Loathe as I am to admit it, I would be inclined to agree with HozeKing if from this point forward we merely shrug our shoulders and hope all the other sharks don’t notice the blood in the water. If that’s how we ultimately play it, wouldn’t we indeed have been much better off trying to play it that way without our now-well-publicized attorney’s letter? Legal moneypit notwithstanding, and short of a PR coupe, this whole scenario strikes me as one of those times in life when you have to suck it up and take your best shot at reenacting the only decent scene from Costner’s Robin Hood. “This is English courage!” Because what’s really our alternative? G.K. Chesterton said it best: “Man must be either a hero or a coward.”
Well-conceived post, Blue
I think you reason it out quite well. However, if I were calling the shots at UK, in addition, I would cease recruitment of Davis forthwith.
Just can't agree
As an earlier poster offered, this reaction would quickly evolve into the perfect counter for Calipari’s recruiting prowess. Have some local “reporter” fake a story, based upon “unnamed sources,” about every high-profile recruit that UK goes after. UK immediately stops recruitment and is left with trying to scrounge left-overs. Shades of 2005-2008. You are aware of the state in which that recruiting philosophy left the program.
Quite a dilemma
Appearance of impropriety or decreased competitiveness in recruiting.
Where is the appearance of impropriety?
I think we are in “fake but accurate” territory here.
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I like it.
Of course, there are the financial considerations. Legal action is likely to be expensive due to the now-raised bar of actual malice (that’s my take — actual lawyers may have a different one).
The only reason I can imagine that UK would not follow through is because of the scope of such a suit, and the cost. But I take your point, and it is a good one.
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In my opinion,
There is no cost that would inhibit UK from pursuing legal action if they feel they have a definite claim. At this point, the S-T isn’t accusing UK of anything, thus I don’t think a libel suit would be legitimate at this juncture.
I’m with Tru, instead of spreading veiled suspicion, just come out with it or not. It seems far too often the media caters to America’s twitter-induced short attention spans rather than providing anything of substance. In most of America’s eyes, they’ve heard all they need to hear (or perhaps just want to hear). In other words, the damage is already done. And that’s a shame.
Although I will admit if this were Louisville in the news, I personally would struggle not to become nervous at what Tru calls a “double down”. I read and understand your argument Tru, and your view is reasonable and plausible. However, if I were in management at the S-T or Mr. O’Brien myself, I’d never “double down” unless I knew I had something…well…substantial. But then again, as I mentioned before, substance and journalism seem to be parting ways these days.
by Remote Cardinal on Aug 6, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Great point.
But I do think that the “doubling down” is done more as a defensive tactic than an offensive one. Their original story, if I’m right, was defamation. So to combat that, they went out and found some people who would tell them what they wanted to hear.
For UK to prevail in legal action now, they would have to prove that the S-T actually did write the article in bad faith, that it was not a legitimate story, and that it was done with “actual malice” and not mere negligence, as could have been alleged in the first story.
So the S-T is really just protecting itself from a lawsuit. If UK cannot speak to their sources, they cannot gainsay the S-T, and a lawsuit would likely fail. It’s true that UK could use the discovery process to attempt to force the S-T to divulge their confidential informants, but as we saw in the whole Valerie Plame debacle some years ago, that is a long, painful and costly process.
That’s essentially my argument, in brief.
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so hard to beat "the press"
So hard in fact that I am sure there are others but my mind goes all the way back to the 80’s and Carol Burnet suing and winning. However, in the dificult times for papers they may not have the pockets to stand for long.
Just woke to my ritual of the Saturday am replay of sportscenter and there we are in a crawl directly after a Pitino snipit. Nice.
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by wilson452 on Aug 7, 2010 7:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Get past summary judgment and the press settles big.
Lots of big judgments and settlements for celebrities when the story really has nothing behind it. The paper better hope its sources hold up ’cause if it looks like after the fact CYA sources, the jury will be allowed to hear it.
Why
should we give any more credibility to these overnight sources than to the original rumors that the first story was based on? If they had done their investigation and had anything of substance why didn’t the latest allegations appear in the original story? This is not the kind of thing that you substantiate in a couple of days. This whole thing smells of character assassination in an attempt to slow down UK’s recruiting. Ceasing to recruit Davis would be seen as an admission of guilt.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
I want them to come out of the shadows
Especially if it’s not true. What a horrible thing to accuse someone and their family of. I hope Kentucky takes action.
There is no rational UK fan ...
… would would accept their school paying off recruits. That’s all there is to that.
They will not come out, and they will not be identified by the S-T. This, in my opinion, is a sham to protect them from a lawsuit.
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the silver lining....
although i hate to see anyone attacked the way Cal has been, i will have to say that he will use this “attention” to his benefit. if you look at the kids he is recruiting, they almost all have overcome big odds to be succesful and once the get to the top, they get a target on their back (i believe there was a recent story in which cuz’s mom said this very thing).
therefore, Cal will say “Look at what ‘the man’, er, the media is doing to me. if anyone understands what your son is going through it is me. most of the time we work through it, but if it gets bad, we will take legal action.” just seems to me, he clearly does not have the silver spoon in mouth reputation that williams and coach k have and can more easily relate to his recruits…
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
UK issues press statement
PRESS RELEASE
FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY
August 6, 2010
The University of Kentucky is dismayed by the continued lack of professionalism and responsible journalism exhibited by Michael O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times in running yet another false and defamatory story on August 6, 2010, regarding the University’s recruitment of a high school student-athlete. Both the father of this student-athlete and the University have repeatedly told Mr. O’Brien that these unsubstantiated "rumors" are untrue. Neither the University of Kentucky nor any member of its Athletic Department has offered or paid any money or other illegal benefits to the student-athlete or his family.
Mr. O’Brien’s August 6 story also mischaracterizes the NCAA’s involvement in this matter by stating that "the NCAA is ‘checking’ into the recruitment of" the student-athlete. The University of Kentucky spoke with David Price, NCAA Vice President of Enforcement, who advised that the NCAA contacted Mr. O’Brien simply to inquire as to the alleged sources for his article and that "this in no way confirms an NCAA investigation of the University" or an examination of the recruitment of the named student-athlete. It is the University’s understanding that such an inquiry represents the NCAA’s normal procedure any time allegations of misconduct are made, no matter how outrageous or unsubstantiated they may be.
The University of Kentucky has put Mr. O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times on notice that these published statements are false and defamatory. The University fully supports any action the student-athlete and his family may take against Mr. O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times. The University is also evaluating all available rights and remedies it may have against Mr. O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times in responding to these false and defamatory statements.
Boom goes the dynamite
The University of Kentucky has put Mr. O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times on notice that these published statements are false and defamatory. The University fully supports any action the student-athlete and his family may take against Mr. O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times. The University is also evaluating all available rights and remedies it may have against Mr. O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times in responding to these false and defamatory statements.
What this tells me:
1. Davis is seriously considering suing the reporter and the paper.
2. UK is seriously considering doing the same.
3. Davis is coming to UK.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
I hope so
If UK doesn’t take serious action against these ambiguous allegations, then something fishy “might” be going on. You don’t come out and just slander someone like this, and expect no repercussions.
Well ...
… You have to consider the cost as well, and the high bar that has now been established for success in any litigation.
There are a lot of moving parts here, and definitive statements like yours do not take them into consideration.
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I asked this question at an earlier post, so I'll do it here.
Why would any clean program approached by a Dad for a “buy my son” deal not make that public?
If you are clean, you don’t want these kids or the other schools to be rewarded for such deals. You obviously won’t engage in such deals, and thus you won’t have a chance to get such players. And you don’t really want those kids even coming your way as they will only bring trouble.
So go public with the first offer. Make the kid’s cheating goals well known. Make the schools that deal with him known by implication. Let other kids know not to bring such deals to the recruting table.
I see no downside for a clean school to out dirty recruits.
(OK, I can see a downside, but I’ll others make those points and tell me if I’m wrong). My point here is if this story is true, and no one is making it public, either (1) they are afraid to make it public or (2) they are all negotiating with such kids.
Good point Jack.
Here’s what blows my mind. Cal and UK did not pay one red cent for Patterson, Cousins, Wall,
Bledsoe or Orton. This Davis kid is a fine young man it seems and has great parents. He is not, however, at the same skill level as the aforementioned players.
Why in the world would UK risk everything by offering Davis $200,000 to play here? There is no common sense to any of this whatsoever. If I were to obtain a 2011 Cadilac for free why would I pay any amount at all for a Ford? It’s nutty.
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Once Again The Question
Is it worth it? I doubt there will ever come a time in Calipari’s tenure when someone isn’t proffering it.
"When the people fear their government, you have tyranny. When the government fears the people, you have liberty." — Thomas Jefferson
Parrish at cbssports.com
says that the UK press release only denies that any member of the Athletic Dept. made any payments. He says the University did not deny the claim made in ST’s article that someone else paid Davis on UK’s behalf. What do you think Tru?
How could UK possibly speak ...
… for every possible UK booster who could have found enough money to do that? They can only speak for people under their direct control.
As for Parrish, he is simply pointing it out to find something wrong. It’s absurd to suggest that UK should claim that nobody connected with the University entered into a negotiation with Davis — it has no way of knowing if that is true or not. There are probably thousands of people who are in some way connected with UK that could have made the offer and claim to be doing so on the school’s behalf, truthfully or otherwise.
In the end, the school spoke for who it knew it could. Maybe at some point they will expand the scope of that claim, but I doubt it. It is not logical to assume that someone totally unconnected with the Athletics Department but connected to UK would be in a position to credibly make an offer to a recruit.
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It does not matter
Look at the USC football program. Look what happened to my Huskies in ‘93’. The NCAA does not care. They call it “lack of institutional control”
ah yes
and then they bend you over and stick it to you.
Well ...
… If someone did make the offer, it would surely be a problem for Kentucky. No doubt about that.
My point was that UK cannot claim to credibly say that nobody connected with the university made the offer. That’s my only point here. They have no way to know that.
But no doubt, if somebody did make the offer that is connected with UK, the NCAA would consider that a big problem.
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PTI
Wilbon: Lie! Lie! Lie!
Kornheiser: Not one iota of truth.
"When the people fear their government, you have tyranny. When the government fears the people, you have liberty." — Thomas Jefferson
could you expand?
Were they both saying that the STORY was untrue, or what?
by blue kentucky girl on Aug 6, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They Were Referring To Story
"When the people fear their government, you have tyranny. When the government fears the people, you have liberty." — Thomas Jefferson
As Cal has said before...
I’ve been fired from an NBA job, what could happen that would be worse? He isn’t going to let this story bother him, he’s seen it before. We are the ones upset by this. Remember the Bledsoe story? It quickly went away. This will do the same.
Where are the stories about Hoops for Haiti, and Cal going there and washing children's feet?
All this is lost over some “rumor”. As Maggard implys, Forde is behind this story, as well as the Bledsoe story.
Forde?
Heh. The Great Satan, eh? :-)
I doubt that. Surely even Forde is not that obsessed.
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Forde?
I don’t know man. Monsters come in many forms.
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Actual malice
Tru, you know that Cal, if he was identified, or the University would have to show actual malice under Sullivan and its progeny. Can’t speak to Illinois law, but generally, when a statement is libelous per se, malice and damage are presumed from the fact of publication. I think that’s what attorney Baker was saying on Wednesday, that the repetition of rumor or gossip of this nature is libel per se, a reckless disregard of the truth. If so, actual malice may not be the hurdle you think it is.
That may be so.
I am not a lawyer. I know that when it comes to the press, proving actual malice is not a trivial matter, and is a high bar.
But it is possible, and it has been done before.
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Show your cards
I think UK is playing this exactly correctly. If this story is false, which the press releases seem to assert, it is imperative on the university to refute it. This was a clear accusation of specific impropriety by a “major” news organization – to ignore would be (in some quarters) to accept its veracity.
If the ST has proof, show it. If not, F*** YOU. Seems pretty clear cut to me – I don’t care what any unnamed sources care to speculate – either the money changed hands, or it didn’t. If it did, I want Calipari out and his name besmirched forever. If not, which seems more (logically) likely, the same should apply to his accuser.
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Great post Tru
and great comments with a few obvious exceptions. I cannot think if Mr. Davis is that greedy that Kentucky is the only school he would have approached. Why limit your options to only one of list? It seems a logical move to just ask the other universities on the list if similar “demands” were made. Or is the “factual reputation” of both Kentucky and Calapri so well known that ours is the only school that could be so manipulated?
I think truth is in the analysis provided by Tru. Who knew such a hot chess game could be on the table in a hot August? Given the leads in today’s news the NCAA surely is running short of staff focused on the SEC.
One last thought…reading these posts makes me proud to be a Kentucky fan. The actual truth is in the comments that should something of this ilk be true, of course all of the real fans would want a firing of the nature that Tru laid out. We are not proud Kentucky fans for all these years for the wrong reasons.
Davises To Sue
Chicago Tribune reports. Will discovery reveal sources is the question?
"When the people fear their government, you have tyranny. When the government fears the people, you have liberty." — Thomas Jefferson
I think for them ...
… it makes a ton of sense.
I think this makes a UK lawsuit less likely, for NCAA compliance reasons.
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Some questions...
Since Michael O’Brien isn’t returning the emails we’ve sent him (shocking), I’ll put these questions to the pro-UK contingent:
1) If O’Brien has three sources making the claim that the Davises were shopping the kid for that kind of money, why didn’t he mention them in the first article?
2) If they’re new sources that he’s unearthed since he wrote his first article, why has the dollar amount changed? First article quoted $200k, second article quoted $125k-150k.
3) Would UK be “supporting any action” by the Davis family against the CS-T if they weren’t pretty sure the kind was going to commit to them? That UK specifically included that language in the press release on Friday indicates to me that they knew they had him wrapped up. I know technically UK and Davis can be on the same side of an action against the CS-T without having a relationship themselves, but the timing and the specific inclusion of that language in the press release makes this seem UK-favorable.
Thanks, and continued success (raises glass) to this site. Great article at a place that all our guys consider required reading.
John from RTC
Thanks, John.
I think those are all great questions, and I really hope that one day, O’Brien is forced to answer the first two, preferably before a judge and jury.
As to #3, it’s hard to say. UK could be supporting them in the sense that both parties have had their reputations tarnished by O’Brien’s allegations. I would be happy to see Davis come to Kentucky, and I’d love to believe your conclusion is right, but I’m taking a “wait and see” approach on that one.
Thanks for the kind remarks about the blog. RTC is definitely required reading around here.
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