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Kentucky Football: Did Joker Phillips Make The Right Call?

In blogging, inspiration is where you find it.  My inspiration for this article came from a relatively unlikely place, in the overall scheme of things -- Mike over at Card Chronicle.  Specifically, this paragraph:

My question is this: are you glad that it's Hartline and not Morgan Newton? I'll say it, I am.

I understand that Hartline is a heady player and that he's already beaten Louisville twice, but he possesses nowhere near the skill set that Newton does, and in situations like these I'll always take the option of facing the less-talented quarterback. The lack of size on U of L's defensive line has received a lot of attention this offseason, but its secondary isn't exactly 2001 Miami-esque. Knowing that Kentucky isn't going to start the guy who's most capable of hitting an open receiver in stride 45 yards down the field gives me at least a semblance of piece of mind.

Far be it from me to suggest we should be concerned about what our rivals think, but Mike does make a good point.  Morgan Newton has a far more diverse skill package than Mike Hartline.  The problem with Newton last year is that he threw the ball to the wrong places far too often, and I think that problem is still there.

But Hartline has not shown the ability to do much more than confidently manage the football game.  His arm strength is sub-par, and I doubt if that has improved much, although you never know.  Instead of tight spirals, he has a tendency to throw floaters on routes over 10 yards, and I always cringe a little when Hartline drops back to throw the ball downfield.

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At the end of the day, though, Kentucky's offensive strengths this year are not going to be at quarterback, no matter who is throwing the football.  Ryan Mossakowski reportedly has the best SEC-quality passing skills, but he is young and not quite ready to take the reigns.  Newton has experience, but he has issues with his decision-making that seem to still be haunting him.  Which leaves Hartline.

There is no doubt that Mike Hartline is competent as a quarterback in the game management and decision-making areas.  He has a good head on his shoulders, can see over the defense, and rarely makes the egregious error that will cost a team six points.  No matter what you think of him athletically, mentally Hartline is the clear and unambiguous choice, which tells us, given the length of time it took to name him the starter, that the holes in his game athletically almost made the difference.

Chip Cosby's article today seems to suggest that the QB competition was very close, even with Hartline's edge in experience and age:

The decision wore on the coaches even more than the players. Offensive coordinator Randy Sanders had his share of quarterback competitions at Tennessee — "It seems like I've gone through this every year," he said — and it hasn't gotten any easier.

The example of Will Fidler last year was also mentioned, and that was a case where Fidler's weaknesses athletically were just too great to overcome with experience.

I suppose we can look at this as "glass half-full" as easily has half-empty -- that all the QB's were really great, and what we are talking about is just a little bit of difference in how good rather than how bad.  Honestly, the truth probably lies somewhere in-between, but it just seems to me that the length of time it took to name Hartline makes that endorsement ring about as well as a cracked bell -- more of a "thunk" than a "ding."

This could be the first major faux pas of Phillips' career at head coach if Hartline falls flat.  Phillips and Co. already look indecisive in this affair, and if the QB position  turns out to be a major reason for a poor performance against the Louisville Cardinals, Phillips could wind up wasting much of the goodwill he gets for moving up to the head coaching position.  Even if Hartline plays well, there will be some serious repercussions directed at Phillips and Hartline if Kentucky loses to Louisville.

In the final analysis, Hartline would have been a safe pick early in August.  Waiting until late made it more risky than it should have been.

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Letting the team build confidence in any of the three quarterbacks would have been better than waiting until two weeks before the first game.
All three had been through two spring practices or more. Two of them have confirmed proformances against SEC teams. All three should have been evaluated in the spring.
Not being ready is wrong.
Isn’t the ‘coach in waiting’ thing suppose to be for easy transition and having some one the coach knows and the players are familar with?

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Aug 28, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

I feel for you Tru.

What interest is stirred by this posting.
Next time try to mention Cal is probably going to attend the game or something.
Its a shame football is so unimportant to the fans of the Big Blue.
Guess no one cares.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Aug 28, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Do not bait me, Paris.

You know better, or used to. You’d better remember.

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 28, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

What in the hell did I say?

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Aug 28, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Read my first comment.
I was agreeing with you that the discision could have been made months ago. It should have so the team building could have began.
The second comment was saying that it appeared no one was interested in the subject and it was a shame.
I don’t see either of them baiting you.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Aug 28, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I got that part.

I understood you were agreeing with me there, but what’s that second comment all about?

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 28, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The second part

simply means if Cal is mentioned in an article it will draw more readers’ responses. Does it not?

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Aug 29, 2010 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

So what? Get over it and move on, for Heaven’s sake.

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 29, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

began=begun

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Aug 28, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Relax Paris....some of us are just late getting stirring this morning. And to be honest I posted about

letting Mossakowski have the reigns earlier this week. Tru knows this will be scrutinized over and over.People care, but they are not all hanging on every word this early.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Aug 28, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

ABC

if not hanging now, when do you think they’ll start?
Is the Louisville game a locked in ‘win’?

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Aug 28, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think we beat Louisville now simply because we are the more talented team, from top to bottom.

a locked in win?? There are no locked in wins with UK. We are not a team that can have locked in wins yet, unless you are counting our subpar OOC opponents. But I really do not count UL in that group. They way above an Akron. However, if you are worrying about big time football interest start looking about Wed of next week. You know we support the Cats football program, we just do it in our own way.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Aug 28, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell me what to remember? Saying I agree with you is baiting?
Sorry you have to take everything I say as baiting you. LOL

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Aug 28, 2010 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh, yea and thanks for welcome back.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Aug 28, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

I really wish I felt better about the choice of Hartline, but it is what it is.

IF he does not get us into trouble, then we will get our 7 and call it a decent year. I just think that even though Newton or Mossakowski are not locks to get us the 7, they give us a better shot at 8,9,or even 10 wins.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Aug 28, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree, Greg. Hartline's history

bugs me as does his propensity for throwing floaters, as Tru mentioned. “Take the talent” seems to be the best route, just as it was with Cobb last year. I only hope the coaches saw something more in practice than we’ve seen in games. We’ll see.

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Aug 28, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

And it's gonna be hard to call you Greg, but I'll try.

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Aug 28, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

you can still call me ABC.....lol.....I just did it to keep some continuity between sites and info.....

and because my momma said so…..lol

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Aug 28, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn, I didn't know that was you!

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by ParisGuy on Aug 28, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

You stick around and you stay up to speed on this kind of stuff.....lol......

see what happens when you disappear….??

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Aug 28, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yo momma? Did you say yo momma said so??????? :-))

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Aug 28, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

she didnt know who ABC was......imagine that!!!

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Aug 28, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you want to be called GAE instead of ABC?

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Aug 28, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

ugh!!!.....nooooo

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Aug 28, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

We have heard about the athletic ability of both the younger men and it would cause more worries for the opponents. Maybe the race was so close we’ll see them in the Louisville game if the offense is unproductive early.
Thanks for commenting on football.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Aug 28, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Just because people don't comment on your football posts...

…doesn’t mean people aren’t interested in football.

I didn’t respond to yours because I thought it spoke for itself, and I rarely respond to Paris’ posts anymore because they’re very transparent in their attempt to get attention and make blatant attempts to incite people to argue with him.

The difference between you and Paris is this:

Despite popular opinion on the subject, you say you would choose Mossakowski to start. But then you support that contention with logic and cogency.

Paris would make the same statement, but then support it with flimsy logic, things that don’t make sense, and that people should believe whatever he says because he thinks he’s the only one who cares about football.

by mrmondaynite on Aug 28, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I am not complaining monday

I know football takes a back seat. It does with me too. Since I started a regular column three days a week though I feel like I should be doing more football. Especially the stuff that teaches me about things I didn’t know.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Aug 28, 2010 9:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Mr.Mondaynite

Thanks for the bashing. A little lite but you’ll get it dow n.
What did I say that didn’t make sense?
What is your logic and experience?
I don’t care what others believe. That’s were we seperates me from you. Going after me is suppose to get you brownie points with the others. It’s brown but it ain’t points.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Aug 29, 2010 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Going after me is suppose to get you brownie points with the others. It’s brown but it ain’t points."

Hilarious and intelligent. I guess you’re referring to “brownie points” (a term I remember from first grade) with Tru. That’s incorrect…I wrote those things about you because I don’t like you.

Nothing you say makes sense…your justification is always “I qualify to say this because I think I’m the only person who cares about UK football.”

by mrmondaynite on Aug 29, 2010 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well. I’m certainly offended. I guess we’re off each others Christmas card list.
I’m qualitied to say it because I care about Kentucky football. I didn’t say that I was the only one.
Notice the number of posts this article has? Most of it aimed at me probably, but at least it got people to post.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Aug 29, 2010 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Greg Alan Edwards

Paris thinks Joker’s playing a shell game. LOL

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Aug 28, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

ABC, do you REALLY think it told him and the other coaches that long to pick the quarterback with all the time they’ve spent with those young men? They could have brougnt in an outsider and let him observe practice for a week and let him make the choice.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Aug 29, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Coaches do things for different reasons. Remember that Hartline has been Joker's QB his whole career.

It may have been by choice, it may not.Joker has made major improvements and upgrades everywhere he could. I honestly think he wanted to give each of the underclassmen a chance to give him a reason to replace Hartline and they just never did it. It may turn out that they are both “gametime” QB’s and they don’t show what they have until the pressure is on, I don’t know. I do know this, if they are not ready to take the reigns and Hartline stumbles, we are in serious trouble, and so is our season.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Aug 29, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't really pay attention to the fan posts.

Not a sign of disrespect, just wasn’t on my radar. I barely have time during the day to do this (and I don’t have the time right now).

So if that is the measure of interest in football, not a good one for me anyway.

by JackBluto on Aug 31, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t get to read it.
See, I’m the outcast from Poker Flats around here.
Notice the welcome I got for agreeing with the author of this post?
Football is MY major sport at UK. I have season tickets in both sports and support the entire athletic program. I do question the direction several of the teams we have and the lack of actually seeing who might have been interested in the job at UK in football.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Aug 28, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

here is a link......and we have plenty of football

posts over at www.wildcatbluenation.com

Link to story

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Aug 28, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guy de Paris

Ne pars pas fou, juste m’en aller. Une blague. LOL

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Aug 28, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Back later folks.....have to go mow the back forty......lol

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Aug 28, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Running game

Correct me if I’m wrong, but from what I’ve read, it seems this team is going to be a more run-oriented offense. Except for Cobb, we just don’t have the wide receivers to make a great passing team. That means we need a quarterback who’s going to make smart throws, not spectacular hurls down-field. A long throw to open up the running game would be nice, but it’s better not to throw into double coverage and get intercepted. It’s tempting to go with the potential of Newton or Moss, but I think (hope?) this is the right decision.

by sayeth on Aug 28, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Manager Or Playmaker, That Is The Question

And that query has been and is a metaphor for UK FB with a few exceptions, e.g. Woodson, Tamme, Burton, Johnson, et al in 2007. UK’s overall talent level at nearly every position but especially at those requiring superior athletic skills is at such a level that it cannot overcome the requisite risk taking associated with top level programs. Thus the game plan calls for, when competing with more talented teams, managing rather than playmaking, reactive rather than proactive play calling, or more comprehensively: playing not to lose and hoping to win due to fewer errors, ergo, Hartline versus Newton/Mossakowski. BTW, anyone notice that Jordan Aumiller has won starting TE position?

"People unfit for freedom -- who cannot do much with it -- are hungry for power. The desire for freedom is an attribute of a 'have' type of self. It says: leave me alone and I shall grow, learn, and realize my capacities. The desire for power is basically an attribute of a 'have not' type of self." — Eric Hoffer

by Wild Weasel on Aug 28, 2010 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Exactly Right

You nailed it. We don’t yet have the horses to run with some of the top level programs, so we basically pull the strategy of grinding it out and hoping to win off a late turnover or sprung play.

by wildcatfaninexile on Aug 29, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, what ever he said.

And all this time I thought it was about getting the best eleven guys to take the ball down the field and across the goal line.
Maybe he’s saying we don’t have enough of those in that eleven to push the other eleven down the field and in turn we don’t have eleven on the defense to stop their eleven from getting to the goal line.
Just joshing you.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Aug 28, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Josh Or Not

That is essentially correct.

"People unfit for freedom -- who cannot do much with it -- are hungry for power. The desire for freedom is an attribute of a 'have' type of self. It says: leave me alone and I shall grow, learn, and realize my capacities. The desire for power is basically an attribute of a 'have not' type of self." — Eric Hoffer

by Wild Weasel on Aug 28, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard and this is just a rumor at this time, that one of the new basketball players actually glanced att he stadium as he as driving down Tates Creek Road.
That makes it a certified that football is actually played on the campus of the University of Kentucky.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Aug 28, 2010 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't you ever ...

… get tired of complaining about UK fans’ preference for basketball?

Can’t we just talk about Hartline, or football? You don’t have to agree with me or anyone else, but can’t we please just get past the fact that UK is a basketball school and that is that? It is well established, and we just have to live with it. There is no use pointing it out ever third comment.

Just stick to the topic, quit bemoaning what the gods have decreed, and everything will be fine.

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 28, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no doubt it my mind that Kentucky is a basketball school

Wow! and all this time I thought we were here to have fun.
Is their little doubt that most of the posters on here would give up their football tickets for a season the see the Louisville basketball game in person?
I’m not a practice everyday. I don’t see what player can do this and can’t do that. You aren’t either are you?
Hopefully Joker is going to put the best he has on the field. He’s the one accountable.
I went after the coaches. Players don’t announce ’I’m the starting quarterback’. Coaches make the decision. In my opinion the decision should have been made much sooner.
As far as the basketball comment. Do you really think I degrading the program by making a joke about them?

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Aug 29, 2010 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

sorry for the misspelling. don’t have my glasses with me.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Aug 29, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's fine to have fun ...

… but not at the expense of everyone else.

When somebody repeats the same thing over and over in every comment and post, it becomes mind-numbingly annoying. Forget about the football/basketball thing, it is what it is.

Let’s talk about — whatever you want, really, but can we please lose the constant bemoaning of the fact that UK fans are not crazy about football? We all know this, and most of us simply don’t care.

Like you, I hope Phillips puts the best players on the field. I do have misgivings about Hartline based on his past performance, and I was just offering my perception that the length of time it took to get him named QB looks like a problem. It may not be. As you say, I don’t see them in practice, so I can’t really offer an informed judgment here. I’m just reading the tea leaves.

I never said that you were degrading the program, by the way. The stuff we write in here has no real effect on anyone. My point simply is that we are all aware, since it seems to find its way into every comment you make, that you would prefer more football and less basketball. It isn’t going to happen, so please give us all a break from this complaint.

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 29, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do we know

the team didn’t know which QB would start?
Maybe the media and fans and Charlie were purposely left out for a reason. Doesn’t really matter if we don’t know until game day.

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by a2d2 on Aug 29, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I went to every football game with my godfather every year until I went off to college.

I saw defeat snatched from the jaws of victory many many times from our end zone bleachers in the old, pre-renovation stadium. I for one am thrilled with the improvements Brooks has brought. I can tell you that Georgia fans think the world of Brooks as an opponent’s coach – respect and admiration for what he has done. Georgia fans now put question marks on the UK game whereas for years it was an assumed win. And make no mistake about it — Georgia is a football school. UK fans make up 30% of the basketball arean when they play UGA in Athens on Saturdays.

Do I want even better for our football program? Yes. But I appreciate the improvement and can’t wait to see if Joker can keep it going.

I can’t wait ’till Saturday.

by JackBluto on Aug 31, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Paris - Without looking it up,

please tell us how many DBs are used in a dime formation?

by mrmondaynite on Aug 28, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

mrmondaynite

Twenty-five cents worth?

Happy days are here again,
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We've got the best recruits again,
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by alwaysblue on Aug 28, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Six

ok, I saw a high school team on ESPN use the side saddle t formation yesterday.
Without looking it up. Tell me what it is and the advantage of using it.

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by ParisGuy on Aug 29, 2010 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not going to play childish games with you. Make a comment about the story. Bashing is the best you have to comment with?

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Aug 29, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Make a comment about the story".

Great idea Paris. I’m glad you thought of it. ;-)

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by a2d2 on Aug 29, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to have to disagree with this one, Tru.

Granted, I’m no Hartline fan but he has proven to be a heady player. Rarely does he get sacked, he knows when to throw the ball away. Like most fans, he regularly disappoints me in his passing ability but I see Joker postponing this decision for a few reasons. First, if Hartline had been named at the end of spring he might not have put out the effort this fall to get better (whether he did is another topic altogether). Also, the fall competition among the QBs also gives Mossy/Newton more reps with the first team and in Joker’s mind he may feel (hope, hope) that before the season is out one of those two will be directing the team. It’salso a chance to give one more chance for Hartline to produce or become a mentor, its now or never and if he doesn’t produce and gets pulled, he won’t see the field again.

If Newton had been named the starter, past history indicates Hartline would go into a funk and be less than his current level as a backup. In naming Hartline I think Joker left himself more attractive options when if it doesn’t work out; if one of the others were named starter and it didn’t workout it could get real ugly. I’d rather go ahead and give Hartline his last chance and get it over with. We are going to be a run first team regardless of the quarterback.

I do agree with your assessment of Newton. He certainly didn’t have the “fireworks” his dad spoke of prior to the Auburn game last year and many of his decisions were questionable. He pulls the ball down too quickly and tries to make something happen with his feet. He is a pretty good, strong runner but he’s not on the level of a Pat White or Michael Vick who are much more elusive. When he doe pass, if its not the first receiver in his progression he hurries the pass and often overthrows the receiver.

Oh, well. Now we wait but IT"S ONLY 7 DAYS TIL KICKOFF!!

by hoboat33 on Aug 28, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you sure you disagreed?

Sounds more like agreement, to me. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 28, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The part we don't see the same

is the timing of naming the starting quarterback. You seemed to take exception with waiting so late to name a starter. Also, you appeared to agree with the Card fan thinking Newton would be more formidable than Hartline. I liked both the delay in naming the starter and the choice of Hartline (for now). Further, if Hartline “falls flat” I wouldn’t call this decision the “first major faux pas” by Joker. For where we are and what our offense can do, Hartline is a logical, though not popular, choice to start the season.

by hoboat33 on Aug 28, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes...

… that would be a disagreement. I think it was not the better part of wisdom to wait so long, although it could be that it simply took that long to make an informed decision.

I don’t agree that Newton is more formidable, merely more versatile and athletic. But that’s only part of quarterbacking, and arguably not the most important part, as I believe I made clear.

You could be right about what happens if Hartline plays poorly, but I doubt it. Phillips would have spent less “political capital” if he had named Hartline sooner. The length of the deliberation makes any decision appear more momentous than it would otherwise be, and the argument would go like this: “If Phillips can’t make the right choice after agonizing over it for three months, how can we trust the rest of his choices?”

Is Hartline’s choice logical? Absolutely, but it could have logically been made after spring camp. Maybe that would have been premature, but shortly into training camp would have been a better time, in my view.

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 29, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because the book

on UK is run first, that makes the passing game even more important. If the other team brings 8 guys up to the line, we ain’t running anywhere. We have to keep them honest and I have no confidence in Hartline’s ability to do that. 15 touchdowns, 16 interceptions. Ugh!

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Aug 28, 2010 6:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Given ...

… that UK has a quality back like Locke, we should be running first. As you say, though, that does put pressure on the passing game.

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 29, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with being a run first team.

It’s pretty cool sometimes if you have a QB that can pull of the play fake, a line that can help sell it, and a back that helps.

From the outside looking in, I would rather have a QB with a good grip on what’s going on, and what the D is running, before letting go of the ball vs. a QB that runs a 4.4 40 and isn’t as able on reading coverages. You can mitigate this some running roll outs to one side or the other and restricting the read to half the field, but ideally you want somebody that will make the right decision on checks and when to fire. The best way to get that is experience and time in system.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Aug 29, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is more dependent on your line than the back or QB

If you can’t shove the ball down their throat for 3-5 yards nearly every time, you’re screwed.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Aug 29, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree and it wasn't long ago

that UK didn’t have the line to do any type of running. We were simply too small. We’ve come a long way to be a team that can depend on a good running game.

by hoboat33 on Aug 29, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good...

Nothing I hate more than watching some team that can’t run the ball trying to get into the end zone from 2 yards out. I wind up muttering at the tv about heavy sets and full backs.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Aug 30, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Locke and Cobb

They are the reason we won at Auburn and at Georgia

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Aug 30, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Hartline will be the reason

we are not just a running team. It was because of Newton that we became a run first team. I believe UK will try to be a 50% pass / 50% run team but will end up closer to 60% run / 40% pass. You can bet that UK will try to get the ball in the open to Cobb, Matthew’s, King, and Lock. The Hartline choice was a no brainer to me as long as he came back healthy. I am not sure Newton doesn’t eventually become a receiver because he probably won’t beat out Moss next year. People forget it was Moss that was a 4 star HS QB, Newton was a 5 star athlete but only a 3 star HS QB.

by Grasslands1 on Aug 28, 2010 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

With the naming of Hartline as the starter, I feel we're playing not to lose.

We should be playing to win.

The Cats lost a ton of talent on defense last year. They also lost many key members of the O-line.

For me, this means we need playmakers on offense, not game managers. Scoring points will need to be a premium in the game plan, for much of this year. Unfortunately, that’s not gonna happen with Hartline at QB. No one will, nor should they respect Hartline’s ability to get the ball down field. So now we’re talking eight men in the box for much of the time. That’s not good, for a practically new O-line. Nor is it good for a team that wants to establish a solid ground game.

With Hartline I see no balance on offense: Short quick throws, screens, WR screens, slants, etc…

If you can’t get teams to respect your ability to advance the ball through the air, your entire offense collapses.

If you have a great defense (which we don’t), you can play dink & dunk, conservative football. See Alabama

For 2010, if we want to compete in the east, we’re gonna have to go out and score points… Ala go out, be bold and win football games. Don’t play, not to lose with Hartline!

by rdent4hof on Sep 1, 2010 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

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