NCAA Sports: Sorting Through the Finger-Pointing
One thing I've found this year is that the finger-pointing in college basketball has become a lot worse recently. Perhaps that is a good thing -- if teams are breaking the rules, it's high time they got exposed and punished for it.
Mike Miller at Beyond the Arc had an article related to this issue the other day, in which he points us to this article at USA Today. In it, Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delaney drops this bomb:
In basketball, he maintains the NCAA still has a long way to go. "There is a loss of confidence among many coaches that the rules are being complied with. The best way I can describe it is a sense of cynicism," he says.
"I'm talking about the corruption of the youth basketball program, the money that's used to influence recruiting. And ultimately the buying of players, either through third parties or through coaches or coaches and third parties — agents. I can't tell you if it's three institutions or whether it's 15. But make no mistake about it; it's happening.. .. It's a corruption issue."
I have absolutely no doubt that there is some corruption in college basketball. Look, one truism we can all count on is that where there is a large amount of money at stake, namely the millions of dollars that professional basketball players get paid by professional sports teams, apparel companies and sports drink makers, there are going to be third parties trying to get their hands on some of that money, whether they can actually offer value in return for it or not. There is also the fact that some of the "value" being offered runs afoul of NCAA legislation.
But with that said, when I see a conference commissioner complaining about this problem, you can bank on the fact that he is talking about the other guys, not his guys. In other words, what we are seeing here is the Big Ten pointing their fingers at everybody else.
With all due respect to Mr. Delaney, I am sick and tired of the piety spewing forth from the Big Ten. It seems to me that lately, we have heard all sorts of claims about how pure the Big Ten is, and accusations of evil everyone else must be. That's beginning to grate on my nerves.
What annoys me about this particular utterance is not the truth or untruth of it -- I'll give Delaney the benefit of the doubt in that I'm sure he believes that players are being bought, even if I suspect he is not as clued in to the subject as many would think. So why make a public comment like that?
More than anything, I think Delaney is shilling for what a great conference the Big Ten is with an eye on even more expansion. I don't think things went the way he wanted this summer, and I think this comment ultimately has almost nothing to do with the very real problems facing college basketball and everything to do about promoting Jim Delaney and the Big Ten. This statement simply reeks of piety and self-aggrandizement, two characteristics I have come to associate with Delaney.
As previously discussed, college basketball is always going to be a target for sports-related enterprises trying to make money or get into some kind of symbiotic relationship with a player and siphon off some of his NBA and apparel-dollar millions. The agents and apparel companies are everywhere, trying to arrange affairs so that they are in a position to benefit from the next John Wall. Is money changing hands here? Absolutely. Reggie and OJ proved that, as if proof was needed.
But not only is the timing suspicious in the wake of the Chicago Sun-Times absurd allegations that Kentucky "bought" Anthony Davis for $200,000, it is my considered opinion that this sort of thing rarely, if ever, happens in college basketball these days. Lou Holtz, although hardly the Mother Theresa of NCAA compliance, had this to say to The Big Lead:
Q: So you really think many of the elite programs are clean?
A: I definitely do. I really feel that way in the bottom of my heart. I do not believe you can buy an athlete today and get away with it. Wherever there’s been any problems in college athletics in recent years, it’s not been because of money, unless the money came from an agent … an agent cannot help an athlete. He can’t do anything. What they try to do is get that athlete indebted to them by buying them [stuff] or by giving them spending money. They feel they can make a lot of money if they can get that [player to sign with them]. And these individuals don’t have a lot of money [when they are in college] and they take it innocently. ‘Well, it’s just a meal’ and then ‘it’s just $10′ and so on.
I actually think Holtz is more right than wrong about this. Consider the allegations against OJ Mayo and Reggie Bush. Nowhere will you find a claim that the school or its alumni/boosters/William Wesley (you have to throw his name in there to satisfy the corruption police who think WW is the root of all evil) forked over a huge wad of dead presidents to purchase their services.
As Holtz points out, the corruption these days is much more likely to be between the agent and the athlete. That isn't to say schools are clean of all NCAA rules violations -- not by a long shot. Is it possible that colleges are involved with agents in "horse trading," as Gary Parrish suggested the other day, or in other nefarious ways like ignoring known violations in hopes of landing an athlete? Definitely.
Rick Bozich applauds Delaney in an article he wrote the other day, and added this nugget:
Coaches know, but they're reluctant to speak, especially on the record. If word gets back to the wrong AAU program or agent that they are working with the NCAA, they'd better start looking elsewhere for recruits.
The coaches did speak on the record, albeit anonymously, in this article by Dana O'Neil of ESPN. The conclusion?
Here's the silver lining for college basketball: Virtually every coach thinks that the majority of Division I programs are not intentionally breaking major rules. Of the 20, only four said 25 percent or more of the programs were, in the words of one coach, "committing felonies.''
So this corruption, according to the perception of a majority of coaches surveyed (which Bozich apparently values very much) is limited mostly to involuntary or minor infractions. You can't unintentionally "buy" a player -- it's pretty much a premeditated, overt act of disregard for the rules.
But Delaney isn't talking misdemeanors here -- he's accusing schools, ostensibly in conferences other than the Big Ten, of paying money to basketball players to get them to come to school there. I ask you to go look in the NCAA infractions database and see how many recent allegations of cash payments to recruits or their families you can find. Wait -- there is one -- Ohio State in 1999 (the report is dated 2005-06).
Maybe Delaney does know what he's talking about, after all.
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Good piece
I’ve never been a fan of Bob Delaney, but he has generally done an excellent job of promoting the Big Ten’s image and has filled their athletic department’s coffers with cash while at the same time putting out a second-rate product. He’s out there peddling the Big Ten’s squeaky clean image as hard as he can (whether or not its deserved), because their football and basketball programs lack the ability to compete against other conferences on the football field and basketball court.
by chicagoblues on Aug 20, 2010 9:15 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Delaney has been the commissioner since 1989 and under his watch Michigan had to vacate from 1991-98 because of payments to Chris Webber, Robert Traylor and who ever else. This is probably worse then the issues with OSU. Also, He is a UNC alum.
Institution: University of Michigan Date: May 8, 2003
Violation Summary: The violations involved the men’s basketball program and centered on the provision of more than $600,000 in cash and other benefits to at least four former men’s basketball student-athletes by a representative of the university’s athletics interest. The athletics representative’s funds were derived from an illegal gambling enterprise he operated for many years at Detroit automobile assembly plants, where he was employed.
Penalty Summary: Public reprimand and censure; four years of probation commencing from November 7, 2002, the date of the university’s response to the NCAA’s official inquiry and the application of self-imposed penalties; one additional year of postseason ban in men’s basketball; the total of athletically related financial aid awards in men’s basketball shall be reduced by one during each of the 2004-05, 2005-06, 2006-07 and 2007-08 academic years; disassociation of the four former men’s basketball student-athletes for a period of at least 10 years for their involvement in the violations of NCAA rules and some of the student-athletes’ refusal to cooperate with the university and NCAA investigators; annual compliance reporting. [The DI Infractions Appeals Committee vacated the additional year of postseason ban.]
Boilercat (As In PURDUE?)
Me, too. Class of 1974.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 20, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
George Carlin Nails Delaney
“If you can’t beat them, arrange to have them beaten”
"People unfit for freedom -- who cannot do much with it -- are hungry for power. The desire for freedom is an attribute of a 'have' type of self. It says: leave me alone and I shall grow, learn, and realize my capacities. The desire for power is basically an attribute of a 'have not' type of self." — Eric Hoffer
This stuff is finally getting distilled to the bottom line
It’s not the programs that are offering money. It’s the agents and other third parties, that are the problem.
If the program is at fault it is because they turned a blind eye to the corruption. Can you say USC? I can’t wait to see Brian Kelly’s Notre Dame beat the crap of them… those pompous, Hollywood bastards… My apologies for the language — but that felt good.
OK, I move on.
Does anyone think Cal would be bone dead stupid enough to offer a player 200 K to play for him, given the media microscope he is under?
No.
I’ve posted and agreed with others. UK must have a strong compliance department that monitors this stuff. When a kid from a poor background drives a BMW, when his bling might eventually need a chiropractor, ask some SERIOUS questions. Cal has been used in the past. I believe it’s his weakness. UK needs to step in and I hope they have.
No matter where you're at, there you are
Lets get to the crux of the matter
It seems to me that lately, we have heard all sorts of claims about how pure the Big Ten is, and accusations of evil everyone else must be.
I think the real problem is that over the last few years, the Big Televen +1 has lost so many big games, they just assume they are playing cheaters. Truth of the matter is, their teams hav ebeen over hyped and lost to better talent.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
While i don't disagree it seems to me you're firing back at someone who wasnt firing in the first place
I’ve been a member here for awhile and have always enjoyed your posts, tru. That being said it seems to me Delany was just answering a question based on the topic of cheating in college basketball. And given that he was once an NCAA Enforcement Director, he is a viable and credible source.
This summer has been a tumultuous time for college sports and the idea of cheating in both football and basketball has become a hot-buttton issue. Much as gay marriage and abortion become hot-button issues every election year – It’s all over the place therefor its on everyones minds – so too has this issue.
With the problems that Michigan and RichRod are going through and the recovery process the Hoosiers bball team is STILL wading through and even the thing you mentioned about OSU in ’99, the Big Ten and Delany are just as involved as any other conference. And you can be sure that a high priorty of any conference commissioner, including Mr Delany, is to eradicate cheating not only from their conference but also from all of collegiate athletics.
Seems to me he just straight up answered a question by posing some reasonable concerns, many of which most people would not argue. I think Lou Holtz definitely has some good things to say and he is more positive about the state of play but the truth is the reality is most likely somewhere in the middle of Delany and Holtz’s views. Even then it’s still a problem that must be addressed.
the more I see the less I know for sure
Shoes. Did you not think that the way Delaney
was making his point has some overtones to it?? I know we have become the Big Blue Target around here, and we get a bit verbose at times, but I really felt Tru made some very legit points where Delaney(and some others) are concerned.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 20, 2010 5:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ABC. For sure
I would imagine with any person in a position as politically motivated as Jim Delany’s almost everything he says has an agenda of sorts. The thing I take away from the USA Today article is that he speaks of concern from his coaches about rules compliance and he has to respond to those concerns.
Whether or not he intended a jab at UK, Coach Cal and and the whole Chicago Sun Times bullshit by saying “ultimately the buying of players” is what is really on the debate table here. I’m inclined to think it’s just a reference to the most recent accusation of cheating in College bball. And that is as a graduate of UK and a lifelong fan. I suppose it’s in the mind of the observer.
Glad for the forum to discuss these issues… Love this blog!
the more I see the less I know for sure
Big 10
Only Michigan State, Wisconsin, and Ohio State have been major national basketball factors recently. I doubt Izzo cheats, nor Bo Ryan. Not so 100% sure about Matta BUT he worked several years at Xavier which DOESN’T cheat. So give him the BOTD anyway.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 20, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions
If Delany Knows...
….of specific infractions or corruption then why does he not report it? As a manager of people it is his duty to do so, Perhaps he does not KNOW of any specific infractions and therefore does not KNOW anything but rather speaks out of turn based on feeling and bias.
Mr D.— If you have no evidence, stop making accusations. If you do, present the evidence and become part of the solution.
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
Good point, Lyric. Reminds of something a friend told me once years ago. “If you are not part of the problem or part of the solution, move on.” I have tried to remember and use that advice ever since.
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The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
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Squeaky Clean Big 10?
Delany’s statement is interesting.
Ohio State has had the most “one and dones” – 6 – since the rule was instituted.
Also, These stats come from the NCAA official website on infraction:
SCHOOLS WHO HAVE COMMITTED MAJOR NCAA VIOLATIONS IN MEN’S BASKETBALL
2010: Texas Pan-American, IUPUI, Georgia Southern
2009: Richmond, Memphis, SE Missouri St., Alabama, Northeastern
2008: Indiana, Florida International, Long Beach State
2007: Louisiana-Lafayette, McNeese State
2006: Kansas, Oklahoma, Bradley, St. Johns, Ohio State, Florida A&M, Weber State
2005: Baylor, Nicholls State, Stony Brook
2004: Missouri, Georgia, Villanova, Auburn, Cal St. Northridge, Gardner Webb, St. Bonaventure
2003: Tennessee State, Utah, Washington, Michigan, Arkansas
2002: Stetson
2001: Marshall, South Alabama, Howard, Wisconsin, New Mexico State
2000: UNLV, Dayton, Murray State
Seems the Big 10 is well represented with Indiana, Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin.
Maybe Delany is just trying to deflect attention away from his conference, the Big 10 likes to think they are “squeaky clean.”
Sampson, O'Brien, The HC At Michigan
All booted as a result of their NCAA transgressions.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 22, 2010 9:43 AM EDT reply actions
Purdue Forgotten?
Let us not forget Purdue?
Background To That Story
The Women’s coach at the time turned Purdue Men’s team into the NCAA. There was a dispute between AD and her.
Kendrick was “Dwane Casey-ed” and got blamed for the result.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 22, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions

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