Kentucky Basketball: Foes May Hate John Calipari, but Recruits Love Him
Search the term "calipari" on Twitter any fine day and you will find many comments like these:
tprysziii: I can't believe Calipari won again,even after those allegations. I hope he gets nailed.bkabigting: I really want to know how calipari can sign ALL the top bball recruits year after year..drives me nuts..he has to be cheating..TH_Holmes_III : Wth is Kentucky doing to get these recruits?! They now have 3 of the top 10 players coming in. I hate calipari.z4willy: Yeah, 200K later. Calipari gets the best $$ can buy. RT @SethDavisHoops: As expected, Anthony Davis commits to Kentucky.JEDI4ALL: U.K. 'Calipari Signs $200,000 Dollar Recruit ' Death Penalty Awaits Soon U.K Pro Leage NBADL WOW Can't Understand How The PRES Of UK Allows
It is almost inconceivable, absent the de-commitment or ineligibility of one of these three recruits, that Kentucky will not wind up with its third #1 recruiting class in a row. That may not be unprecedented, but it is surely very rare.
I was unable to locate after a reasonable Google search a historical database of recruiting class rankings by school, but I was able to locate RSCI Hoops, which gives us the consensus class rankings since 1998. Statsheet has further cut these statistics, and here is the best meaningful comparison I could come up with:
| From 1998-2011 Top Ten Recruits By School |
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| Team | 1998-2009 | 2010 | 2011* | Totals |
| North Carolina | 13 | 1 | 1 | 15 |
| Duke | 9 | 1 | 0 | 10 |
| Michigan State | 6 | 0 | 0 | 6 |
| Kentucky | 6 | 2 | 3 | 11 |
| UCLA | 5 | 0 | 0 | 5 |
| *Rivals only – RCSI not yet available | ||||
This table shows the total number of top ten recruits per school (I just included the top 5 schools) and the number of top ten recruits they have managed to sign. as you can see, North Carolina still has the advantage in total number of top ten recruits since 1998 by at least four over Kentucky. I say that because the 2011 class is far from complete for any team as of now.
But let's see how Calipari has fared vs. the head coaches of the above schools over the 2009-2011 classes:
| 2009-2011 Top Ten Recruits By Coach |
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| Coach | 2009 | 2010 | 2011* | Totals |
| John Calipari | 2 | 2 | 3 | 7 |
| Roy Williams | 1 | 1 | 1 | 3 |
| Mike Krzyzewski | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Ben Howland | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Tom Izzo | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| *Rivals only – RCSI not yet available | ||||
Same caveats apply as before. Now, we see the real story of the Calipari era. Of the 11 top ten players committing to Kentucky since 1998, 7 of them have been recruited by John Calipari. The best anyone else has done is 3 -- Roy Williams at North Carolina -- and as of now, Cal has more than doubled his total.
Is it any wonder that so many people are hating Coach Cal right now? Is it any wonder that they assume something nefarious must be going on? This is a run of recruiting that may well be historic, and there are are at least two more top ten players in 2011 with Kentucky was high on their lists -- LeBryan Nash and Quincy Miller.
Could Calipari and Kentucky wind up with 5 of the Rivals top ten? Given his record so far at UK, it would be risky to bet against him. Even though many people scoffed when he proclaimed the drafting of five UK players in the first round of the 2010 NBA draft "The greatest day in the history of the program," an argument can be made that from a recruiting standpoint, it was. It is becoming clear, if it wasn't already, that top recruits see Kentucky as the best and straightest path to NBA riches.
As to the insight of recruits into John Calipari, consider these comments from Anthony Davis:
"Coach Calipari is easy to talk to and he listens to what you are saying," Davis told ESPN recruiting writer Paul Biancardi on Friday in explaining his choice. "(Calipari) will be a father figure to me away from home. He's a demanding coach that will not tell me what I want to hear, but what I need to hear to improve."
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"It will be nice (playing with Gilchrist and Teague)," Davis told ESPN. "They are very talented and unselfish players, who are about winning, like me."
Of course, young people always say these kinds of things. But notice what is not mentioned -- Kentucky tradition, the facilities at UK, playing in front of 24,000 every game, being on TV all the time -- none of these things are mentioned. Recruiting has changed. Calipari has taken the NBA one-and-done rule and used it like the Pied Piper, tempting players to Kentucky not with cash to families or under-the-table deals, but with a short path to all the riches they desire.
Bledsoe and Orton getting drafted after their first year is a huge selling point for Coach Cal, and that seems to go unnoticed amid all the allegations of impropriety and cash payoffs. Nobody in college basketball expected those two to wind up leaving after one year, despite the fact that both were highly ranked high-school players. The impact of the early development of Orton and Bledsoe are likely as powerful as any argument Calipari can use in front of the top talent coming out of high school
In the end, many are going to loathe Calipari and his success at recruiting top ten talent. It is completely understandable coming from fans of other teams, who covet these recruits also, but can't seem to beat Calipari at a game that is now played by his rules. Calipari detractors among the sports writing community are anxious to prove that they have been right and Calipari has been cheating all along -- they simply cannot get their heads around the fact that Coach Cal has found an angle that top recruits simply cannot resist.
Of course, Calipari's methodology is not without many land mines. Top recruits are notoriously the targets of agents and runners, and one need only look as far as Reggie Bush and O.J. Mayo to see what can happen if the school does not carefully vet these players for potential NCAA issues due to the influence of those trying to hitch their wagon to the star. This is unquestionably the greatest threat to Calipari's reign at the top of the college recruiting world -- recall that both of the times Calipari's teams got in NCAA difficulties, unethical actions by his players were the cause. Those who refuse to learn from history are often doomed to repeat it.
In the final analysis, Calipari did not need Anthony Davis to cement his reputation as the best recruiter in college basketball right now, but the advent of Davis' matriculation to UK places that plaudit beyond the reach of legitimate doubt. Coach Cal must now prove that he can take the promise that the skills of these players bring with them and turn it into NCAA championships.
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Good read Tru.
With UK under the “microscope” do we look for Sandy Bell get more help to stay way out in front on these rumors?
God, I hope so. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Glenn Logan on Aug 14, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Cal seemed amazed that Fox Sports would pick up the exhibition games from Canada
You would think by now Cal shouldn’t be surprised by anything connected to all things Big Blue. I think the massive exposure of UK basketball on national TV, gets the UK players more looks from NBA people, a big advantage.
Cal's weakness?
He can’t see when players use HIM!
I remember an interview of Rose when the Memphis problems ended in vacated wins, “You need to ask Coach Cal, about that.” Like that millionaire piece of hooie didn’t know what HE was doing.
Camby — he showed no respect for Cal or UMass. He wanted to get laid and get rich.
Sandy Bell’s salary should be doubled and her staff tripled. To watch for that one PLAYER who can bring UK Basketball down.
No matter where you're at, there you are
Canada/Katner question -
The games in Canda do not count towards our record. They aren’t part of our “most wins ever.” They are "exhibitions.
Why does it matter if Katner plays? Why do we care if he isn’t cleared? We can’t be worried about the NCAA coming in later and saying “the Canada games are hereby vactated!”
In short, why not take Katner anyway? And Vargas too if he can get his other work done in time?
he could be suspended in future
games that would count during the regular season for playing in these exhibitions.
i agree with you, if it doesn’t count then why not let him play?
I have kleptomania,
but when it gets bad,
I take something for it.
Kanter
Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if a ruling on Kanter isn’t handed down until mid to late October.
Prove To Whom?
Coach Cal must now prove that he can take the promise that the skills of these players bring with them and turn it into NCAA championships.
I think, Tru, that you have nailed the situation: the recruiting paradigm has shifted to the point that the path to NBA glory and riches — the lifelong dream of most talented young players — is now the prime consideration of those young men. The question that looms in my mind is that considering that truism, isn’t it possible, even probable, that the paradigm of success has also evolved to the point that hype, media exposure, universal acceptance and a large number of wins has supplanted a NC as the ultimate determinant of excellence? For example, what have you read, heard, seen about Duke since April? Only thing that comes immediately to mind is that they are likely to be #1 in preseason polls. No doubt a NC would add to, perhaps complete, Calipari’s resume and UK fans yearn for an eighth banner but I don’t think it is necessary to prove that UK is currently at the pinnacle of college basketball.
"When the people fear their government, you have tyranny. When the government fears the people, you have liberty." — Thomas Jefferson
Hmmm...
This is a pretty astute observation! Makes the gears in the ol’ noggin work a bit… Winning an NC is all us fans care about, but zooming back on the telescope, what really defines the success or failure of the “The Program”?? Nicely done Sir!!
If your wings don't sweep....
UK At RECRUITING Pinnacle
But not the W-L and NCAA pinnacle.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 14, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If not
for the one and done situation, this would surely be the first step assuring those results. We will have to wait and see how this plays out.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
UK Was At Pinnacle In 1996-97-98 And 1946-47-48-49
Like to see Cats back there SOON.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 15, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Old Paradigm ...
But is there a new one? Who’s to say?
"When the people fear their government, you have tyranny. When the government fears the people, you have liberty." — Thomas Jefferson
Three Straight Top Notch recruiting Classes
1978-79-80 didn’t bring much glory to the Cats.
Hopefully 2009-10-11 will bring more.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 15, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
UK not have the #1 class
three years in a row? Inconceivable!
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
Liggins Coming Out Of Shell
Deandre Liggins has always presented to me a bit of a conundrum, a perplexing mix of frustration and admiration; to the point that I once spent a fair amount of time researching those with learning challenges, especially male athletes. It makes for interesting reading and I’ve posted some of my findings here on ASoB. This piece by Brett Dawson confirms the lengthy and most times troubling process that players such as Liggins have to transverse and it’s rewarding to read about it. Deandre has moved up on my list of popular Cats and I’ll be pulling for him harder this year and next.
"When the people fear their government, you have tyranny. When the government fears the people, you have liberty." — Thomas Jefferson
I've always ...
… been squarely in Liggins’ camp. I feel like a proud papa reading these stories about him, and there are more than Dawson’s.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
"bkabigting: I really want to know how calipari can sign ALL the top bball recruits year after year..drives me nuts..he has to be cheating."
This is what my Dad and I used to say – VERBATIM – about Roy Williams.
When you’re bringing in #1 classes nationally on a consistent basis, non-fans will immediately think that means you’re cheating.
And Billy Donovan.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
Who knew getting to 2K would cost 200K?? (per player) .... :) ....J/K
Like Secretariat (the movie)….“Every owner, every trainer, and every jockey will try to bring you down” ….. When you’re at the top of the heap everybody is gunning for you …. to my recollection, rarely has anyone wore a bigger bullseye than Calipari nd Kecntucky right now ….
Ain’t life great??
mrmondaynite
Although the quip is correct, I started hearing that back in the ’50s. It has been said of many programs down through the years. Back then though a new car or $100 was a big “cheat.”
Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.
Really?
You know something that I don’t then…KU was on probation during Williams’ first year, and this: “Gene Marsh, chair of the infractions committee, said there was no thought of now penalizing former KU coach Roy Williams for approving small cash gifts to graduating seniors.”
So, as far as I can tell, Roy’s never been caught.
by mrmondaynite on Aug 15, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Yes. But the key is “never been caught.” As UK haters are wont to say about Cal, “Just wait,
he’ll get caught sooner or later.”
Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.
I just don't want this double standard...
…we love Cal….he’s never been caught. But davw calls Roy a cheater, even though he’s never been caught either.
by mrmondaynite on Aug 15, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
mrmondaynite
I can’t disagree with that. A level playing field is what it’s all about. Good point.
Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.
I just want us to be *rational* and level-headed
in our hate for other coaches & programs. Not hypocritical.
by mrmondaynite on Aug 15, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Approving gifts for seniors was "cheating" - and he was caught. And it was actually Roy - he approved the cheating.
He just wasn’t punished.
I don’t think getting a pass is the same as not caught.
But we are talking semantics. Our coach wasn’t caught but his teams were punished by vacated games and accomplishments.
I thought he actually has been caught
not of anything serious but wasnt it his fault he left Kansas on probation? Nothing serious happened to them but I thought the program was on probation when Self won the championship?
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
It was as much his fault as it was Cal's @ UMass & Memphis...
…nothing was pinned to either coach.
by mrmondaynite on Aug 15, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't Think He Cheats (Per Se)
But he dances right on the line and step over from time to time.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 15, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He may not cheat
But when he loses a big time recruit, he is the first one to say the team that got said recruit is cheating.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
Daniel Orton talks about Kentucky
In this video interview from NBA summer league, Daniel Orton talks about how playing for Kentucky helped prepare him for playing basketball in the pros:
http://www.basketballelite.com/index.php/sports-business/daniel-orton-interview-nba-summer-league/
If the Cats have a lot of narrow wins early....
Will we be hearing the Cal spin, “we should be 1-5, instead of 6-0”?
Maui Will Be Very Tough
There are some powerful teams in that event.
The 1998 and 2003 Cats (two of the best UK teams of late) both lost in Maui.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 15, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to be there
Not winning would screw up my beach time – the timing of the games in the loser’s bracket sux.
Anyone else going?
It's summertime - go Reds!
Maui..
Right on.
Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.
Tru, good analysis, but I have a question
If I recall, both Gilchrist and Teague committed well BEFORE draft day, and before any real widespread speculation that either Bledsoe or Orton would be drafted. Are the Bledsoe/Orton draft picks just icing on Calipari’s cake? In other words, he didn’t need those last 2 draft picks to be able to secure top notch talent.
Bledsoe Was Projected (And Expected) To Be 1st Rounder
Ditto Orton (early on) but he slipped as draft day approached.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 15, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
BCinVA
As my mother used to say, “You have to strike while the iron is hot.”
Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.
Recruiting
It would be better to recruit players who may actually stay in school long enough to win a championship. I see nothing good about C’s recruiting. It’s just a roosting spot for the NBA, and Kentucky will never see a championship under coach C, unless he actually recruits players who want to be in college. It galls me to know that the other blue teams consistently win the big one, and we never will, the way things are going.
We have recruiting the likes of which even the Good Lord himself
has not done for UK until now. Your worry of never seeing another NCAA Championship as long as Cal is here is an invalid one. If Calipari was not making winning another champ. a priority, then you might have a legit concern. But he is recruiting the best of the best and letting the blue chips fall where they may. It has only been one year and you start complaining about recruiting already? I suppose you would rather lose with 4 yr recruits than win with 1 yr recruits? Which we do not know what we will have in this group like that anyway. Last year was a fluke. There is no way Cal puts 5 guys in the first round every year. It was a very special one time deal. Worry about weather or something that is really wrong. Not Cal’s recruiting, it is second to none.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Something To Be Said For Experience
The 1974 class (Givens, Lee, Robey, Phillips, Hall) had their greatest success as seniors.
The 1971 class (Grevey, Conner, Flynn, Guyette, Lochmueller, Smith, Hale) likewise, best year as seniors.
Ditto the 1992 class (Delk, Rhodes, McCarty, Prickett, Dent).
But 2004 (Crawford, Rondo, Morris, Bradley) had the best year as freshmen.
So did the 1979 class (Bowie, Hord, Hurt, Minniefield, Heitz), best W-L record as freshmen.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 16, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Only one of those classes can be used as a "modern day" example there Forty. And that group of freshmen didnt play much together.
the game is changing. The players are changing. Traditional numbers no longer tell the whole story. Sure, you need veteran leadership, but freshmen can now win just as experienced teams can. And some win a whole lot more.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Oh, Sure They Did
The 2004 class had 2 starters and 2 key reserves among those 4 players. They were key elements in 2005 team successes.
Freshmen haven’t won throught the 2000’s. Veteran teams have.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 16, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand the point you are making, but you are missing mine.....none of those groups came in
as a group of freshmen and started as a group. My point is that by coming together as a group they have the ability to overcome the perceived “problem” of being young.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Since you have
given up already, why are you here?
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
How do you guys feel . . .
. . . about the rash of certain “One & Dones” coming to KY?
Not to be a dick about it, but isn’t it difficult to feel connected to players who won’t even be in class the second semester of their first year?
I’m an MSU alum & huge fan, and one of the things I love about the hoops program that Izzo has built is that he makes a point of NOT recruiting players who are likely to go pro after one or even two years. In 15 season, only Zach Randolph has left after one year, and only Jason Richardson and Marcus Taylor (remember him? Prolly not, and I don’t blame you. But had he stayed 4 years . . . ) left after two, for the NBA.
Remember the 2005 Elite Eight double overtime game vs. MSU? Look back at the lineups in that game: http://scorecenter.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=254000046 In that game, the ONLY player on either team who didn’t play at least 3 years was Rajan Rondo, and only one guy on each team, Shannon Brown & Kelenna Azubike, played three.
That KY team was in its 2nd Elite 8 in three years, and frankly, lost in what has to be one of the best Tourney games of the decade.
Wouldn’t you all agree that that team, led by upperclassmen who wore the Kentucky blue for four years, more satisfying than the Elite 8 from this season that was led by five guys who had little more than a cup of coffee in Lexington?!?!
Nope.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
Well said,
KYwineman. Good to know that my hoops fan counterparts down in Lexington have mastered to monosyllabic reply to an honest question about the future of the program.
Anybody care to offer a REAL response?
Re: MSUDersh
First of all, your thoughts on it being difficult to feel “connected” to a group of players, many of which could be gone after one year, are valid. I can’t speak for anyone else, but that was a concern I had at one time, but I quickly overcame it.
Generally, fans become connected with players by watching them play, reading their quotes, and watching their interviews. That’s how we get to “know” them. And although we’re accustomed to most players staying around for 3-4 years; what I found is that watching 35-40 games, coupled with all the exposure the players get throughout a season, is ample time to become connected with a player. Now, you might find yourself saying, “Man, I wish he would stay another year,” but one is invested in the one-and-done player and his performance regardless of the length of time he’s in Lexington. And any connection a fan has with a player is only strengthened if the player’s performance is outstanding, and last year all the freshmen played excellent basketball for most of the season. Kinda makes them easy to like and root for.
This whole thing is an accidental experiment, of sorts, anyway. There is no historical parallel or precedent to guide or educate us on the best course to follow. Besides, it’s not as if Calipari, in his stops at UMass and Memphis, didn’t recruit the absolute best players he could get his hands on. It’s just that Cal being at UK, plus his use of the dribble-drive as both an offense and recruiting tool (plus, the NBA 19-year old rule), has been like Cat Nip to the house cat … irresisistable. And I don’t say that in a "chest thumping’ sort of way; I knew Cal + UK would mean some tremendous recruiting was coming our way, but not to the extent we’ve seen so far.
Whether Kentucky wins a championship or even makes it back to the Final Four with three or four fabulous freshmen in the starting lineup … well, I don’t know that. But, I do know this, it’s going to be a helluva lot of fun finding out.
Thanks for stopping by, and good luck to Sparty this year.
by Ken Howlett on Aug 17, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Very well said Ken.
And a point I hadn’t thought about is the exposure of these talented new guys to us. It is easy to see why and how we loved them. There was a time when freshmen didn’t start, got little PT (a couple of minutes in an entire season) and they were off limits to the media (oh what we would have missed!!). I am guessing past freshmen that won a starter position, became fan favorites (that year).
Now does, Forty or anyone, know how many freshmen were starters for all of (maybe most of too) their first year?
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
There has been very few
Chapman comes to mind … can’t remember how much Mercer started, but he played starter’s minutes … Rondo … Bowie … seems like Mashburn started a lot of his frosh year; he averaged 12.9 ppg … Rick Robey, I believe … Dwight Anderson, I believe … Roderick Rhodes, if not, he played starter’s minutes … Chris Mills.
I’m sure there are others. Between the mid-40’s or so and the early 70’s freshman weren’t eligible for varsity competition, or the list would be longer.
Thanks Ken
A good, though short, list. I couldn’t come up with many from the 70’s until now.
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
I found this list
Of freshman leaders by points. JW and Cuz top the list. :-) Then Rex. PPat and Bogans are tied at 7th. On a list of season high points for freshman probably means a lot of PT, I would think.
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
Thanks, Ken
Great reply! That’s exactly the type of quality college hoops talk I knew my fellow fans at Big Blue would put up.
Another thing regarding your point on this all being an historical anomaly is that, if not for the NBA’s questionable eligibility rules, a lot of this would be a moot point, anyway. And u know what you mean about Coach Cal + UK being an enticing combo to recruits, the elite ones will go where they have best shot to improve their NBA stock, I was interested in if this affects the fan’s view of the program.
Also, one of the reasons I prefer college sports to the pro variety (baseball & hockey included) is that we root for the name on the front of the jersey, not the back.
Good luck this season, remember to check out www.theonlycolors.com for great MSU & B10 hoops chatter.
by MSUDersh on Aug 23, 2010 8:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
this post linked on CBSsportsline!
Way to go Tru!!!
I have kleptomania,
but when it gets bad,
I take something for it.
I was just about to post
that this story has been on the front page/top of page at CBSSports.com’s college bb page!
Hooray for us!
I do appreciate the traffic. Very much. :-)
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Coach Cal
Every recruit needs to read (if they can) the interview from Rose about playing for Coach k on the USA team!! Then they would not all go to Kentucky.
Rose's Conments
“If anything he is a motivational speaker and he really has humor when he talks,” said Rose on ESPN Radio. "If anything you are going to listen to him because he is going to be a legend, a Hall of Famer I mean in this game. For him to be coaching me is wonderful. Too bad I didn’t go to Duke, but it’s great even just being here with him and his staff is great and I am lucky to be on this bus headed to the gym.
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