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Kentucky Basketball: The Sun-Times Story is Becoming All About John Calipari

Today, Dicky V came out strongly against the Chicago Sun-Times story that has been the buzz of the Big Blue Nation for quite a while.  I discussed that story in depth with Unleash The Rage last night, and if you want to hear my comments, most of which are a rehash of my comments here in one form or another with a wrinkle here and there, you can find the link to the file here.  It is also offered as a podcast for your convenience.  I dominate the entire first half of the show, so you don't have to go surfing through to find me there.

But back to Dicky V.  He offers this:

The article claimed that a package was put together for Davis, in excess of $200,000, in an effort to get him to commit to Kentucky.

Give me a break. Do you really think that transpired? Kentucky has many selling points of its own, starting with a beautiful, state-of-the-art practice facility. There is Rupp Arena, a place which creates blue hysteria. There is the rich winning tradition, which itself attracts blue chip athletes, Players want to go to a winner and it also helps when five of your players went in the first round of the most recent NBA draft.

Vitale gets this exactly right.  Kentucky has a ton of incentives to offer, not the least of which is a coach with a proven track record of getting players drafted in the top five.  That is going to appeal more to the super-recruits of today than all the tradition, facilities and game-time atmosphere combined, but those things are no doubt a nice bonus.

It doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure out the most likely source of the claims of impropriety are schools chagrined by the fact that Cal seems to be getting all the hot recruits, just like guys will be jealous of other guys who seem to attract hot women -- it's just pure human nature in its lowest form.  How do I know this?  We used to be the same way at Kentucky when Ol' Roy and others were sucking up the recruits Tubby Smith was breaking his neck for.  How many times have I read "Cheetah" threads on Big Blue boards and blogs in those days?  Many.

But Dicky V's article is surely not enough for me to make the conclusion in my lede, n'est ce pas?  So there must be more, right?  Yeah. Follow me past the jump.

Star-divide

Comes now Gary Parrish, he of the "I hope the suit happens but I'll bet it doesn't" argument of just yesterday, with another piece claiming that college basketball players secretly like agents, but college football players hate them.  To wit:

That's the dirty truth about NCAA hoops, the main difference between college basketball and college football. Football coaches gain very little, and perhaps nothing, from agents hovering around their programs because agents don't typically deliver football prospects to colleges given that agents don't normally get involved with football prospects until after football prospects already are in college. Basketball is the exact opposite. The fact that it's relatively simple to identify future NBA players at an early age combined with the fact that those players can enter the NBA draft after only one year of college has created a culture where agents fund AAU programs, develop relationships with teenagers, and seize control of many elite prospects well before college coaches even get seriously involved.

No matter what I think about his conclusion, he's definitely got this part nailed.  It is far, far easier to figure out which hoops players are going to excel at the next level at an early age than football players.  It's mostly just the nature of the sport, but an in-depth explanation is beyond the scope of this piece and, anyway, should be obvious.

Then, there is this little bomb:

The idea that John Calipari would be shoveling massive amounts of cash to a family is silly, and anybody who thinks that's the way this stuff works is ignorant to the process. A more likely scenario -- and I'm not implying this happened in the Davis case; I'm just explaining how something like this might happen -- would have an agent taking care of a family and seizing control of the recruitment, then cutting a deal with a school's staff to send the player to the school in exchange for help when it comes time for any other future pros on that school's roster to formally select representation.

I think maybe I am just paranoid, but does this not call a certain someone directly to mind, who's first initial is a W?  Oh, yes, I'm sure you didn't need that hint.  So what Parrish is suggesting (not saying, mind you) is that this would be a tailor-made situation for Calipari because of his association with William Wesley.  He never says it, but the implication is unmistakable.

I'm not going to spend a whole lot of time debunking Parrish's theory -- it could be happening and there is no way to prove a negative.  All I know is that John Wall came to UK against the wishes of the guy who wound up involved in his representation, and I think that says more than any conspiracy theories that Parrish can dream up.

At the end of the day, it's funny how this has gone from being about "someone" with UK interests to being about Calipari.  It's no surprise, really, and in fact, it is totally predictable.  But in the end, I think what we have here is a bunch of sour grapes from loser schools that has become a story because of the abject failure of an editor at the Chicago Sun-Times to do his job, and now Coach Cal must pay the price.

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by Blasphemy on Aug 11, 2010 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Jealousy

I think there is a lot out there in college sports and certainly there are many jealous of UK basketball. No question somebody,or somebody’s,got this whole story going. When Dicky V. talks about coaches losing out on recruits and then point fingers he hits the nail on the head. I believe that’s where this whole thing got started. Coach Cal is winning the recruiting wars in most cases and this breeds jealousy among coaches. Since we are talking about blue chip recruits being recruited by blue chip programs and coaches I think you can see where I’m going here. And though there probably isn’t any proof and I have zero evidence,if I were to make some guesses as to who points their fingers the most I would simply say two words:tobacco road.

by maysvilleblue on Aug 12, 2010 7:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Kettle black

Let’s step back and take a breath. Look what you guys are doing. Engaging in rumor, gossip, innuendo. Nothing based in fact. Exactly what UK have been complaining about from others. If the Herald-Leader were to report that rumor/sources now have Roy Williams and UNC fabricating the Davis story to undermine Calipari’s recruiting success, we’d have the Sun-Times scenario replaying itself, with letters quickly issued by UNC’s counsel and UNC fans clamoring for a defamation suit.

“It doesn’t really take a rocket scientist to figure out the most likely source of the claims of impropriety are schools chagrined by the fact that Cal seems to be getting all the hot recruits.” Tru says “schools.” But when he explains how he knows this, he implicates fans. Not Tubby, not UK. But “Cheetah” threads on Big Blue boards and blogs. As though their irresponsibility can be attributed to the coach and the school.

Let’s vent about being wronged by the Sun-Times matter, but let’s not become the object of our distaste.

by Wheatgerm on Aug 12, 2010 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

As much as I have disdain for all of this from these "sources" where else would it be but from other

schools? Are you speculating that it is the media? I am just not sure where else this would generate from. Unless the media is just creating this stuff from thin air, ( which is where I would speculate it was from, but hey, I get a little crazy with this stuff)

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 12, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

It comes from us.

You and me and fans everywhere who root for their school. The countless people who hide behind anonymity to say whatever we want no matter whom it hurts. Why does unaccountable freedom turn so many of us into smear artists?

by Wheatgerm on Aug 12, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wheatgerm - While it is true

… fans spread rumors at the drop of tweet, they are known for what they are and discounted appropriately to their true zero value immediately by the sports internet and traditional media communities and thereby generally cause barely a ripple in the ocean of sports information.

However, there is a ‘back-channel’ composed of college coaches and their assistants that links to pro-sports and traditional media rumor mills. It is these sports professionals (Insiders who are in a position to possibly know where incriminating bodies might be buried) who have the credibility to start and spread truly damaging rumors and, incentivized by rivalries, money and job security, they do. They talk to recruits, other coaches, fans, media, the NCAA, government regulators, etc., etc., etcetera.

It is this rumor environment where every important athletic program does battle on a daily basis. Examples of this rough and tumble ‘game within the game’ abound and Calipari himself is not above it as exemplified by his telling a prized prospect named Marvin Branch that the head coach of the other school on his list, Lou Carnesecca of St. Johns, was dying of cancer in an attempt to sway his commitment back when Cal was a coach at the University of Pittsburgh.

Occasionally, we are treated to a glimpse of this activity as when former Baylor assistant Abar Rouse leaked incriminating tapes of then-coach Dave Bliss’ phone conversations. More often it is only alluded to due to the severe penalty imposed by the coaching profession itself. Such an example is this quote by an anonymous coach as he complains about his peers in Dana O’Neil’s ESPN article, “Every time North Carolina loses a kid, someone else is cheating. It’s like there’s so much arrogance with them; they can’t believe someone would rather go somewhere else, so the other team has to be cheating.”

So, while I appreciate your attempt to save us from our big-blue-rumor-mongering-selves, the reality is that unless we are a member of the coaching profession and have access to this ‘back-channel’ we fans have almost no ability to affect the blinding white edifice of ‘accepted truth.’ The internet is a gossip mill. That is its identity. On it all fans throw around petty insults, allegations, conspiracy theories and affirmations of wrong-doing. And we of the BBN are no different. We’re fans. That’s what fans do. It’s futile to try and change it – or us. We are what we are and I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing.

by TeamWeaver on Aug 12, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't decide if

I rumor-monger therefore I am or I am therefore I rumor-monger.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Aug 12, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wheatgerm, you make a very good point.

That was not an artful sentence. While “schools” have sometime pointed the fingers at other schools, it’s nothing compared to what “fans of those schools” do all day long.

by BCinVA on Aug 12, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I wonder why recruits want to play at UK for Cal?

hmm….is it cash or

A.) Derrick Rose
B.) Tyreke Evans
C.) John Wall

Follow me on twitter @Joey_Kaufman

by Joey Kaufman on Aug 12, 2010 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Young man

You really get around!

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat70 on Aug 12, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joey Kaufman

You know why they want to play here.

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Aug 13, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Difference Between Calipari And His 3 Predecessors

Pitino signed (14) HS or JuCo A-A in 8 years – J Mashburn, T Ford, A Riddick, D Brown, R Rhodes, T Delk, W McCarty, R Dent, J Sheppard, A Walker, A Edwards, R Mercer, W Turner, M Anthony. That’s 1.75 A-A recruits per year.

Tubby signed/committed (15) HS or JuCo A-A in 10 years – T Prince, K Bogans, M Stone, J Parker, C Hawkins, C Hayes, R Carruth, K Azubuike, A Barbour, R Morris, J Crawford, R Rondo, R Sims, J Meeks, D Green. That’s 1.5 A-A recruits per year.

Gillispie signed (3) HS A-A recruits in 2 years – P Patterson, A Legion, D Miller. That’s 1.5 A-A recruits per year. NOTE: Orton did not make any A-A teams due to Sr year injury.

Calipari has signed/committed (8) HS or JuCo A-A recruits in 2 years – J Wall, D Cousins, B Knight, D Lamb, T Jones, E Vargas, M Gilchrist, S Teague. That’s 4 A-A recruits per year.

And 4 > 1.75 or 1.5 per year.

by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 12, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I need my basketball fix Sunday

Since the Reds got it handed to them this week, I’ve been in a bad sports mood.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Aug 12, 2010 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry coop!

Your guys should not have mad them mad!

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat70 on Aug 12, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

UK1972

Well, we can hope.

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Aug 13, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

"We used to be the same way at Kentucky when Ol' Roy and others were sucking up the recruits Tubby Smith was breaking his neck for. "

I’m so happy to see someone acknowledge this, in its specific context here, and as a general principle of sports fandom.

If Calipari had gone somewhere else, or stayed at Memphis and beaten UK at some point, the majority of UK fans would cite his alleged (but obviously not proven) misgivings from the past.

by mrmondaynite on Aug 12, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

But since he's our coach now, we defend him, as he should be defended.

However, for example, if Charlie Strong came to UofL after being head coach of 2 programs that were sanctioned after he left, you can bet that we would use that as ammunition, whether or not it would be truthful or valid. That’s just the way it is.

by mrmondaynite on Aug 12, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

every recruit?

People make it sound like the entire McDonald’s All-American team is committed (through some devious means) to UK and Cal.
Cal doesn’t get every recruit. Some kids will want to stay close to home. Some kids will (gasp!) not like Kentucky. Some kids will do better in a different style offense than Cal. There aren’t always going to be pairs of kids like John and Eric at the same position who are willing to play together.

by doldham on Aug 12, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Correct

Not everyone can play in the DDMO. Like Cal said, in this offense, I can’t hide you.

by UK1972 on Aug 12, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's Getting Better Recruits Than He Did At Memphis, MUCH Better Than UMass

Kentcuky is obivously a Supercharger for Calipari’s coaching and recruiting.

by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 12, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

AMEN....

despite having to listen to the memphis fans, i do not believe Cal would have had the same recruiting classes in 2010, 2011 and 2012 at memphis that he had/will have at uk….

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Aug 12, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Off the subject a bit...

With the roster seemingly set, when was the last time we’ve had 3 Kentucky breed players on the team at the same time? Forty, you out there?

by UK1972 on Aug 12, 2010 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

2002 Or 2003

Estill, Chiles, Carrier in 02.

Estill, Carrier, Stockton in 03.

by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 12, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

god dont remind me of stockton

was a big disappointment .. and a reason i think we past on chris lofton

"UK isn't a choice, you're born bleeding blue"

by kentuckywild on Aug 13, 2010 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lofton

UK signed Crawford, Bradley, Rondo in 2004 (Lofton’s class) and gave scholarship to Sparks that year, too.

Stockton had no bearing on Lofton.

by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 13, 2010 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

stockton was ky mr basketball and a flop,

so when lofton was being recruited they didn’t get all jack up because he was ky mr basketball

"UK isn't a choice, you're born bleeding blue"

by kentuckywild on Aug 14, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe So

I think UK was pleased with the 4 guards who got scholarships in 2004-05.

Tubby has indicated since that he made a mistake in not offering Lofton and said so to his family.

by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 15, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

ACTUALLY IN 2005-06

we had 6 kids from ky or played hs in ky.. stockton, sparks,rondo, lemasters, moss and good ol waste of space jared carter

"UK isn't a choice, you're born bleeding blue"

by kentuckywild on Aug 13, 2010 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good Point

2 starters – Rondo, Sparks. Moss and LeMaster walk-ons.

Calipari actually liked Jared Carter but JC opted not to play a redshirt year in 2009-10.

by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 13, 2010 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

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