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Kentucky Basketball: Gary Parish Thinks the Davises Will Not Sue

Today, Gary Parrish has this piece in which he argues, quite convincingly in my view, that the Davises will not actually sue the Chicago Sun-Times over their article last week claiming Anthony Davis' father was shopping his son around for money among various college programs.

Money graf:

Even if Davis files it, he won't pursue it to the point of trial because he'll soon learn such would only make a bad situation worse. He'll also learn that there's little chance of winning given that he would -- as the father of a high-profile prospect whose name has appeared in countless publications -- likely be considered a "public figure" for the purposes of the suit, at which point it would have to be proven that the paper knowingly published false allegations or operated with reckless disregard for the truth. That the story was wrong -- if the story was in fact wrong -- wouldn't alone be enough to win anything. Once Davis understands as much, I presume he'll drift into the background just like Eric Bledsoe.

I don't recall Bledsoe's family actually threatening a lawsuit against the New York Times, but it may have happened.

Anyway, I think Parrish makes a compelling case here, and as I explained in this post right after the second Sun-Times piece was published, the Sun-Times did what it did to inoculate itself from just such a suit.  It raised the bar to actual malice, and almost unprovable standard, in my opinion.

Star-divide

Maybe I'm wrong.  Like Parrish, I really, really hope so.  I would love to see all this play out in a dramatic trial with college coaches as witnesses against each other.  I think it would be good for the sport.  I don't know what would come out of it, but certainly a better understanding of the recruiting process would be a good candidate, and recruiting is something that I think really needs a good dose of sunshine.

But Parrish is probably right.  The suit will likely never happen, and if it does, it will never go to trial.  The odds against winning are too great, and it's just frankly impossible to sue a media outlet successfully unless you are independently wealthy.  The only time we ever really see it happen is when Hollywood celebrities (independently wealthy) go after rumor rags.  If Mr. Davis were a millionaire, this might have a chance.  If he could prevent his son from being declared a limited public figure, this might have a chance.

But I don't think Mr. Davis is wealthy, and I don't think they have a chance in hell of avoiding having the younger Davis declared a public figure.  So the odds are, this suit will a) never happen, and b) never end up at trial if it does.

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I wish there was a way that UK could fund their suit just to force those "sources"

to come out into the open and have to testify, like Parrish said. It is time there was a lot of light put on all of this nonsense. From all directions.

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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 10, 2010 8:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

This situation is ridiculous

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by SaturdayDownSouth on Aug 10, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never expected a lawsuit to actually go forward

I’m not a lawyer, but every story I’ve ever read about libel suits has basically been a variation on the same theme – that it’s nigh impossible to prove and thus rarely worth pursuing.

Still, maybe some good will come from this as coaches, schools, and players take note of what can happen. I don’t know if there is any way to take preventative measures against this kind of thing but if there are then perhaps they’ll be utilized.

3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.

by JLeverenz on Aug 10, 2010 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Really?

I don’t know much about defamation suits, but is the “public figure” threshold really set that low?

by chstrckwl on Aug 10, 2010 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Low?

I think it’s exactly the opposite – “actual malice,” “knowing” or “conscious disregard” are almost impossible to prove. Like J says above, successful defamation suits in the arena of public figures are ostensibly nonexistent because the standard is essentially unreasonable. Davis’ attorney would have to prove that O’Brian [sp] & the paper knew that the $200,000 claim was false, but still published it, or, at the very least, printed it with “conscious disregard for the truth.”

If Davis was not a public figure, like me or you, a victory in court would be much more plausible because the standard is considerably lower…I think that we would just have to show that a false statement was made, and that it harmed our reputation.

by mrmondaynite on Aug 10, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

But is Davis, Sr a public figure?

That’s the angle I think would be interesting to pursue. The claims were largely that the parents, i.e. Davis Sr was the one sniffing around for money, not his son. That is damaging to HIS reputation, not his son’s. Parrish in his article seems to imply that as the father of a high profile recruit, that WOULD make him a public figure – which to me seems completely ludicrous. In that case, the bar for who is considered a public figure is laughably low.

by JennyWittenauer on Aug 10, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I misunderstood chsrckwl's comment.

I thought he/she was talking about the standard of proof (actual malice) for public figures, not the threshold for public figures (which is exactly what he/she wrote).

That said, I don’t think that a court would consider the defense’s (presumed) contention that Davis’ father is a public figure “ludicrous” immediately. That’s the issue here – whether or not he is a public figure; because once that is determined, deciding the victor is simple (private – Davises win…public – Davises lose). What makes it complicated is that Davis, Sr. didn’t really become a public figure until the defamatory statement was made. He is most certainly a public figure now.

I doubt that Parrish is a lawyer, so I don’t think the implications he makes in the article would be accepted anyway. I like his stuff, mostly agree with him (he loved UK last year), but he seems like a lucky, ex-fratboy to me.

by mrmondaynite on Aug 10, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Without knowing the legal standard,

I tend to agree with you that Davis, Sr. being considered a public figure would be bad precedent for the success of future defamation suits. However, I recall learning that the Internet is complicating an already-complicated situation for defamation suits – youtube makes people public figures overnight, there are anonymity issues, etc. Anyone with the Internet who blogs, comments, etc. could be considered a public figure depending on whatever legal standard prevails.

by mrmondaynite on Aug 10, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am a lawyer, but don't practice in this area at all,

But from what I recall from law school decades ago, I would be surprised if Mr. Davis would be deemed a “public figure.” You don’t get to be a public figure just because someone writes something defamatory about you in a newspaper. You have to be a public official or someone who has voluntarily placed himself in the public sphere, like a celebrity. Being the father of a high school athlete doesn’t seem to me to fit the requirement.

by BCinVA on Aug 10, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The case that established the "public figure" standard

Involved college football coaches Wally Butts (Georgia) and Bear Bryant. Mr. Davis Sr. seems fairly far removed from their level of “publicness.”

by BCinVA on Aug 10, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a case called Gertz in my outline from Constitutional Law II,

but it’s from 1974. I feel like this area of the law has transformed considerably since then with the advent of the Internet, etc.

by mrmondaynite on Aug 10, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gertz established the private citizen standard

in the face of the NY Times actual malice standard.

So it’s of no use to us here.

by mrmondaynite on Aug 10, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yo.

What Constitution?

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The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Aug 10, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pull your

confederate flag up over your head and go back to sleep.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Aug 10, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

definitely a good argument

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Aug 10, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Likewise, lawyer but little libel experience with public figures and media outlets.

But I read about these cases, especially since we had a huge one here in ATL over the Olympic Park Bombing. I think it is likely Davis Sr would not be a public figure. I also think the malice standard could be met, depending on what “sources” existed BEFORE the first publication. This after the fact 3 sources stuff doesn’t cut it. The standard is what was known and sourced before the first report (this all assumes the allegations were false).

Still, theree would be a great deal of motion practice. A Chicago lawyer hoping for some major local publicity or a lawyer anywhere just b/c he wants to support the Big Blue might take it on contigency. It would not necessarily require lots of money to pursue.

by JackBluto on Aug 10, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bledsoe

http://www.ballinisahabit.net/2010/06/eric-bledsoe-to-sue-and-recap-with.html

Bledsoe did mention suing, but I don’t know how serious he and his mother were about actually doing it.

by doldham on Aug 10, 2010 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, yeah.

That wasn’t a defamation suit, though. That was based on the illegal dissemination of his high school records.

I think he has a few years to file it, though.

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 10, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see

I don’t the first thing about law.

by doldham on Aug 11, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

What's the statute of limitations of something like this?

Could Davis play his two years (one in high school, one in college), cash his NBA paycheck, and then sue?

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 10, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Every state is different but most states have a short SOL for injury to reputation.

In Georgia, reputation injury claims have a 1 year SOL. In Ky or Illinois, the 2 states most likely to be the venue of the law suit, I don’t know.

by JackBluto on Aug 10, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

So that's a no go

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 10, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right.

I’m confident he would have to sue within 1 or 2 years.

by JackBluto on Aug 10, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd just like to say that this is one of the reasons that (good) blogs are awesome

It gives people with some insight into situations (in this case lawyers) a chance to share what they know with people like me who really don’t have a clue as to what could/would/should happen.

3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.

by JLeverenz on Aug 10, 2010 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

I’m a big fan of A Sea Of Blue. Nice article, Tru

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by SaturdayDownSouth on Aug 10, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

Not really much of an article, just basically parroting Parrish. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 10, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1 JLev

I don’t have a clue about things such as this, but I really enjoy reading comments from those who do.

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by a2d2 on Aug 10, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The final solution.

Take O’Brien and do with him what is done to all turds. Flush him down the commode.

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Aug 10, 2010 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

There's More

to be done. I run a wastewater treatment plant. If he is flushed, we will burn this gas-bag along with all of the other crap that’s sent our way.

by longtime on Aug 10, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!"

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Aug 10, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Nothing is over until WE say it's over!!!"

Wormer? He’s a dead man……! Marmalarde….dead…….Niedermeyer..!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 10, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

btcoop71..

Oh no. Not again.

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Aug 10, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

love the movie..

Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he’s rolling.
Bluto: And it ain’t over now. ‘Cause when the goin’ gets tough…
[thinks hard]
Bluto: the tough get goin’! Who’s with me? Let’s go!

by Cameron1 on Aug 11, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

back on point..

Is the rumor true that O’Brien graduated from the University of Louisville? Please somebody with better fact finding skills tell me this is false.

It is bad enough that Rick’s son is allegedly the person responsible for the release of Bledsoe’s transcript, but now this?

I don’t know if these rumors are true about either incident but it starting to walk like a duck and talk like a duck…

by Cameron1 on Aug 11, 2010 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice

I don’t know enough about the law to know if this is accurate, but it sure sounds like you know what you’re talking about to me. Thanks for sharing your knowledge, Wheatgerm!

by Acdixon on Aug 12, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well done!

Rec’d

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by Glenn Logan on Aug 14, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

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