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Kentucky High School Basketball: The Zach Price Transfer

Rising senior basketball star Zach Price (6-10, 230 lbs), a University of Louisville verbal commitment, is transferring from his school in Lakewood, Ohio, to Jeffersontown High School in Louisville for his final season of high school competition.  Price is a four-star recruit and top-75 player in Rival.com's Top 150 for the 2011 class.

On its face, a player moving from Ohio to Louisville is a seemingly innocuous move, until one reads what the young man told the Louisville Courier-Journal about his family's impending relocation: From the June 17, 2010 Courier-Journal:

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"I am definitely coming down there (to Louisville), but I don't necessarily know what (high) school yet.  It's going to be a great thing having all the Louisville fans there.  I will be able to do things I was not necessarily able to do at my other high school.  I will be able to go to campus and watch games firsthand every weekend."

Price again spoke to the Courier-Journal, this time to announce his decision to attend J'Town after also considering Eastern, Ballard, PRP, Butler, and Central High Schools in Louisville: From a Jody Demling blog entry dated July 12, 2010:

"I came to the decision that's where I had a good chemistry with the team and I really liked the style of play.  Some of the other schools were not the ideal image I had for my final year.  It seemed like the best fit for me."

"I am so excited about it.  I still have a lot of unfinished business in AAU but I can't wait to get down there.  I went to watch a couple of (J'Town's) summer league games and I liked the way they were a pass-first team.  They were so unselfish." 

Adding a dash of spice to the proceedings is the fact that Jeffersontown head basketball coach Jeff Morrow is a former manager and administrative assistant to U of L coach Rick Pitino.  Of course, the Zach Price transfer comes on the heels of the announcement that Tony Kimbro, Jr. will be transferring to Jeffersontown after spending two years in North Carolina, after playing his freshman season a duPont Manual. 

Now, there is nothing remotely unethical or immoral about a committed recruit wanting to move closer to his college of choice.  Actually, it might be an excellent idea.  As Price said, he will now have the opportunity "to go to campus and watch games firsthand every weekend." 

The fly in the ointment, though, is the apparent evaluation and auditioning of Jefferson County high schools by Price to determine which school best fits his athletic needs.  This fact runs contrary to KHSAA bylaws concerning transfers, which are intended to "deter transfers due to recruiting or athletic reasons."  And Price's impending transfer to J'Town, is, by Price's own admission, due to purely athletic reasons.

The pertinent bylaws concerning student-athlete transfers in the Commonwealth of Kentucky:

Bylaw 6. Transfer Rule - Domestic Students (non-foreign exchange students)

"Any student who has been enrolled in grades nine (9) through twelve (12) and has participated in any varsity contest in any sport at any school following enrollment in grade nine (9) and who then transfers schools shall be ineligible for interscholastic athletics at any level in any sport for one year from the date of enrollment in the new school." 

"The commissioner has the discretion (but is not required) to waive the period of eligibility set forth above if one or more of the following exceptions in Section 2 has been met.  Determinations of whether a student shall be granted a waiver pursuant to this rule shall be based on the circumstances existing as of the date of enrollment at the new school."

Discretionary Exceptions of Waiver

a) Bona Fide Change in Residence  b) Divorce  c) Change in Custody  d) Death  e) Boarding Schools  f) Non-Athletic Participation for an Entire School Year  g) Reassignment by Board of Education  h) Transfer from non-member school (in Kentucky)  i) Military Assignment

 

Yes, Price will have a "bona fide change in residence," but in this case, the student-athlete's motivation for attending Jeffersontown is unrelated to the actual move.  The decision to attend J'Town is based solely on athletic reasons.

From the KHSAA handbook; a reason for denial of a waiver:

Bylaw 6. Transfer Rule - Domestic Students

Spec. 3) Specific Restrictions of Denial of *Waiver

c) If the change in schools is motivated in whole or part by a desire to participate in athletics at the new school.

 

The reason for the existence of the above bylaw, according to the KHSAA handbook:

Case BL-6-2- Why is there a transfer rule?

1) These rules prevent and deter transfers due to recruiting or athletic reasons.

The question many might have is this: How is the Price transfer any different than the hundreds of student-athlete transfers that have taken place over the last several years?  Well, first and foremost, I've never read, or heard of a student-athlete refer to what amounts to an audition of prospective schools in an effort to discern which school is best suited for his/her athletic endeavors.  Vinny Zollo ( From Ohio to Clark Co.), Dakota Euton & Chad Jackson (From Rose Hill Christian to Scott Co.), Aaron Cosby (Manual to J'Town - Then transferred to a prep school in Massachusetts), Chane Behanan (Cincinnati to Bowling Green High School) and many others have transferred into schools, but athletic reasons were (smartly) not given as the determining factor in their high school selection.  

Make no mistake; I don't give one whit where Zach Price attends high school, but this situation seems to me to be ripe for the KHSAA's picking.  Furthermore, if new KHSAA commissioner Julian Tackett is serious about at least attempting to put a stop to the shenanigans (e.g. recruiting, transfers for athletic purposes) which have permeated Kentucky high school athletics for decades, this would be an excellent starting point. 

Thanks for reading and Go 'Cats!

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Hi Ken

It looks like little brother is getting desperate in it’s recruiting. Nice piece.

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat70 on Jul 14, 2010 12:55 AM EDT reply actions  

if this was calipari and uk then...

that hozeking would have all types of negative speculations and theories …lol

"UK runs this state, little brother knows his role"

by kentuckywild on Jul 14, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll bet

a dollar to a donut they get away with it. Coach “Stanley Straight Arrow” at U of L will not be on any hit list for breaking rules. Is he a part of this scheme? I don’t know but if he is it would be advisable to get someone with a higher level of common sense to talk to the press.

And I don’t give hoot about what a nice young man he is. All five of the UK players drafted
were nice guys too. But they were trashed from the Canadian border to the tip of Texas and the East Coast to the West Coast

Of course there is no real bias in college athletics. That is unless the team colors are
blue and white and there is a wildcat somewhere on the uniform.

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Jul 14, 2010 4:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Mabye

he’ll go play on the Freeway. LOL

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Jul 14, 2010 4:24 AM EDT reply actions  

The KHSAA has never seriously enforced the rule

They probably won’t start now. Honestly, this isn’t a big deal.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 14, 2010 7:35 AM EDT reply actions  

It may not end up being one Coop, but this is EXACTLY the situation those rules were intended to prevent.

We have had this crap going on down here in this area for years. Kids leave the city schools to go to the county schools to get more exposure, or to go to a winning team,or coach, or vice versa.Both schools finally had to sit down between themselves and say OK, we are not going to allow this any more. Now, it will not prevent the students from transferring, but both schools agreed to a one year sit rule for both boys and girls sports.

I dont know if this is legal by KHSAA guidelines or standards, but it did slow the transfer rates WAY DOWN. They were averaging 5-6 a year before that, and now there is no more than one or two every couple of years.

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 14, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

it might not be a big deal coop but

Had this been calipari, the media would talk about how fishy it is and how this kid moving to louisville is ridiculous… most have parents with money to up and move to louisville .. the also must have landed good jobs here in louisville with no help from pitino im sure

"UK runs this state, little brother knows his role"

by kentuckywild on Jul 14, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I agree 100% there

If it was Cal, then there would be a media s**t storm, just because of Cal.

I’m just saying, it has gone on for years without anything happening.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 14, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll give you another example

Jared Lorenzen. Played at Highlands in Ft. Thomas, in Campbell County. Even though he lived it Edgewood in Kenton County…….and should have went to my high school. That is why his little brother ended up playing at my school, because he wasn’t as talented at his older brother so he wasn’t recruited.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 14, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Highlands And Beechwood

Both independent schools not bound by residency.

Derek Smith lived in Silver Grove, not Fort Thomas.

Some of the Beechwood stars lived in towns other than Fort Mitchell.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 14, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cov Cath always got around it by being a private school

I had a couple of friends that they recruited. And I’ve heard of guys getting to go their tuition free as a way to get them to go there.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 14, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Highlands and Beechwood are both state schools

You should live in Ft. Thomas to go to Highlands and whatever little city Beechwood is in(Erlanger?).

by UKTimmy on Jul 14, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beechwood is in Ft. Mitchell

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 14, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not Accurate

Both are INDEPENDENT schools.

If you live outside Ft Thomas or Ft Mitchell, only requirement is that tuition must be paid.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 14, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both of you are correct

Both are public school districts funded by the state that are independent districts. Just like Covington is an independent district, but still state funded.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 14, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what are you saying?

Independents dont have to follow the same rules as a public school does pertaining to athletics? That hardly seems fair if they are receiving state funding.

by UKTimmy on Jul 15, 2010 6:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually the rules were intended to prevent private schools f5rom recruiting players

Lexington Catholic comes to mind immediately. Ever saw their line up? How many of those guys are A. Actually Catholic? B. Could go to school there without a scholarship? The whole problem of private school recruiting led to the creation of an absolutely meaningless All “A” tournament.

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Jul 14, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is why the public schools in Lexington refuse to play Lex Cath in football

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 14, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not taking up for the private schools

But citing someone being non-Catholic as a reason to question the enrollment of a student in a private school is silly, and you should know that. I have plenty of friends who attended St. X and Trinity, who aren’t Catholic, or athletes, they simply went to the schools for the education. I even know a few instructors from St. X … none are Catholic.

Ask the participating athletes and coaches if the All “A” tourney is “meaningless.”

by Ken Howlett on Jul 14, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other demographics cited could have been controversial..

But I’m sure you get what I mean. As far as the all “A”, it IS meaningless when the teams participating are still unfairly competed against by private schools that recruit players. No other championships in KY HS BBall are legitamite other than the distict, regional, and state championships.

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Jul 14, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes,

but you cited someone as being non-Catholic as a reason for questioning the integrity of their attendance at a private Cathlic school.

Not sure I see the difference in the All “A” tourney and the district, region, and state tournaments. All of those tourneys pit private vs. public schools, rendering them, in your eyes, meaningless. Perhaps a better choice of words would be “corrupt.”

by Ken Howlett on Jul 14, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Private schools have every right to give scholarships, even to athletes.

My daughter attends a K-12 private school in Georgia (in the elementary school right now). It certainly has some athletes that I believe are attending tuition free. We win 4-5 state championships a year with an equal number of runner ups. But we also have non-athletes on scholarship that do theater, band and other stuff. To have the full slate of extra-curriculars it has, we need everyone, scholarship and fully paying, to participate in one or more extra-curriculars. They all have to earn the grades, too. About 15-25% of the school is national merit scholar.

It is a Methodist school, but a significant percentage of students are not Methodist. We don’t appologize for converting them though, should the teachings rub off. :) I’m sure Lex Cath would say the same thing.

by JackBluto on Jul 14, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

However, public school magnet programs "do not" lead to athletic recruiting?!?

In Fayette County, you don’t have to go to the school in the district you live in, as long as your child “qualifies” for a magnet school program. Want to be in the Lafayette Band? Audition for SCAPA. Like Tates Creek? Apply for the International Baccalaureate program. Want to be a Paul Laurence Dunbar Bulldog? Be good in science, technology, engineering or mathematics. Same thing applies to Bryan Station and Henry Clay, too. Using these magnet programs is a form of recruiting, no matter what anyone says. It’s the same claim as “the academics are better at St. X, so I am sending my child there for that, not the sports”.

And why is the hue and cry always about Lexington Catholic, and not Lexington Christian? You don’t think they’ve had above-ordinary success with their sports programs year after year for an A-size school competing for students in the Greater Lexington Area??

by per4mance on Jul 14, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bylaw 6 is unequivocal: Zach Price “shall be ineligible.” The only question is how Commissioner Tackett exercises his discretion on waiver.

But this appears to be solely a KHSAA issue. It’s difficult to see any implications for his college career, apart from not being able to compete his senior season at J’Town. Does anyone know why the NCAA should care about this story? Does it have anything to do with Zach’s amateur status or an impermissible benefit?

Editor note: “On its face, a player moving from Ohio to Louisville is a seemingly innocuous move, until one reads what the young man told the Louisville Courier-Journal about his families impending relocation.” Families is plural. Family’s is possessive.

by Wheatgerm on Jul 14, 2010 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

no, not unequivocal.

His family is moving close to be close to UL, his college choice.
And to be honest, with the housing market gaining some steady ground (having bottomed out, and now starting to gain value again) this is the perfect time to buy a new home, rather than wait a year and possibly have to pay 10-20% more on the value.
So the decision isn’t geared to make J-town a powerhouse, it is geared to get him close to UL.

Trust me, I’d love to have a reason to bash the cards, but this is not an open and shut easy one.
Flat out better to buy now than wait a year if your going to be moving anyway.

by Juan4UK on Jul 14, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

No way man.

I’m not buying that.

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Jul 14, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not buying what?

Yo Juanito, unless you have a personal connection to this family and they have told you what you posted above, then all of it is speculation. The KHSAA bylaws are not.

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Jul 14, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

So then allbluecat

the KHSAA bylaws are applied by the words of a minor rather than his legal guardians?

So unless, you sit on the bench in a court of law and have found a loop hole that says a minor is responsible for his or her relocation, then none of it will hold water when it is alll said and done.
That’s my point throughout this, everything in this is easily explained away through perfectly nnormal reasons because no normall family is going to let a kid dictate what neighborhood they will buy a house in.
The reality may very well be contrary to the bylaws but it is unenforcable due to the ludicrus nature of a kid picking what amounts to a $150,000 +/- investment for parents to be responsible for.
Do u have kids abc ? If you’ve had a 16 yr old did they TELL you what kind of car you WOULD buy them? And what size pool had better be installed come summer time?
Your position of “the bylaw is the bylaw and this kid said ….” is silly, plain silly. Doesn’t matter what the kid was quoted as saying unless his parents wrote him a check to go buy a house in whatever neighborhood he wanted to live and go to school in.
A kid talking is a kid talking. it means nothing and will be quietly resolved and fade away.
And your darn right it’s speculation, it’s a message board !!

by Juan4UK on Jul 14, 2010 10:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

So then....

Half wits talk much…but say little. PRA

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Jul 15, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

So then....

I forgot to say what PRA means. The qoute is from “Poor Richard’s Almanac.”

Enjoy the present hour,
Be mindful of the past;
And neither fear nor wish
The approaches of the last. PRA

by alwaysblue on Jul 15, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Wheatgerm

Using “ie” instead of “y” in cases such as this is my most common grammar-related infraction … don’t know why, but thanks for pointing it out.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 14, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe that you are "picking the fly out of the s$!t"

to use a quote from my mother in law. Was J-town suggested by Rick? Oh absolutely! Probably something like " You know one of my former staff guys coaches here at a school called J-town, good school, nice area. And by the way, a couple other guys in that class are going there. But there are a lot of schools here in Louisville, …… ."

So absolutely there were shenanigans.
But I have a Junior in high school and there are a million things that come out of her mouth as fact or truth or whatever and her reasons or justifications have nothing to do with reality.
A parent is going to make that decision based on neighborhoods, quality of education,. home values, etc.
He may have influence with his parents, but that isn’t going to be the only qualifier.
So J-Town is easily explained away through other reasons.

In addition, this is not a typical in state or county transfer.
This is from out of state, so I wonder if some special set of rules and exceptions apply directly for this situation.

IF, Zach is moving in with a relative to “move” then I’d call BS. But on this alone, not too big of a deal. Because (and I know Central is a magnet school now, this is just an example) if I’m moving to a new state and city, and I go looking at houses, you bet your arse that I’m moving to J’town rather than a few blocks down from Central to enroll my kid.

Shady, yeah. Able to be explained away, absolutely.

by Juan4UK on Jul 14, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Complete agree that if this were a Calipari player there would be a media frenzy

But I’d be on UK’s side for this one.

The KHSAA bylaw is much similar to many NCAA rules. They sound good on paper, but are completely unenforceable. Of course we don’t want high school coaches recruiting players, but how can you prove they someone was recruited or prove someone’s reasoning for a decision?

Unless money changed hands or a HS coach set up the living arrangements (or similar misgivings); you won’t. (By the way, this isn’t a knock at Bledsoe; he’s innocent until proven guilty in my book. I honestly believe he was taken advantage of in the past, that people in the present are looking for handouts from a newly minted millionaire and I don’t anticipate any repercussions for him.)

Bottom line, the Price family decided to move to Louisville to be close to UofL. What HS Zach Price attends is irrelevant to that decision. From that point, it doesn’t matter if the family reviewed HS athletic programs. What is the family supposed to do? Draw an area HS name out of a hat and go there?

The KHSAA can’t put a restriction on a family from reviewing a HS’s athletic program. They can (and should) put restrictions on Kentucky High Schools from trying to lure players to come to their school for purely athletic reasons. In this case, I see the former not the latter.

by Remote Cardinal on Jul 14, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

The man is right, this is solely a KHSAA matter

and we all know the KHSAA doesnt matter. This is not a Louisville issue.

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 14, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 14, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Remote Control

Just as I suspected. Wearing a #14 arc welding lens again.LOL

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Jul 14, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remote...

Guess I better this. A #14 arc welding lens is the deepest red color for arc welding. The flash is so powerful from the welding rod that just a small amount ov the UV will burn the eyes and extended exposure will blind.

Enjoy the present hour,
Be mindful of the past;
And neither fear nor wish
The approaches of the last. PRA

by alwaysblue on Jul 15, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

"The KHSAA can't put a restriction on a family from reviewing a HS's athletic program."

Didn’t say that’s what happened here. Rather, he auditioned local high schools to see which team/coach would be the best fit for him. Once again, that, in and of itself, runs counter to KHSAA statutes. Doesn’t matter if he moved from the moon to Jefferson County, a player cannot select a high school based on athletics. Period.

As I’ve noted; you may have a problem with the bylaw, but it is a current statute under which all member schools and athletes are supposed to follow.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 14, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The argument in Price's defense seems pretty straightforward.

There is a bona fide change in family residence. The family is moving from Ohio to Louisville.

It is clear that the decision for a bona fide change in residence and hence a change in schools predated the decision of which school Price would attend. Therefore, it is definitively NOT the case that “the change in schools [wa]s motivated in whole or part by a desire to participate in athletics at the new school.” In other words, although the decision of which school to attend was obviously motivated, at least in part, by the desire to participate in athletics at the new school, the earlier decision to change schools clearly was not motivated by such a desire, because the new school was not yet determined at that time.

In considering where to establish residence following a bona fide family move, many families consider the schools. For families without school-age children, or with grade school-age children, this is often an abstract consideration. For families with school-age children, particularly high school-age, it is often a very concrete consideration of the interests and abilities of the child in relation to the potential schools. When choosing a new school following a legitimate family move, a basketball player should not be required to ignore the state of the potential schools’ basketball programs any more than a trumpet player should be expected to ignore the band programs. This appears to be, and should be, permitted by the KHSAA.

by cmadler on Jul 14, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Thats exactly what I was thinking.

You put it much more eloquently than I would have been able.

by UKTimmy on Jul 14, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

As stated above

Regardless of why Price’s family is moving to Louisville, he used athletic considerations for his choice of J’Town, that in and of itself clearly runs counter to the cited KHSAA bylaws. There really is no debate, based on the information we have at this point.

You might have a problem with the statute, but it is a current bylaw that is supposed to be followed by all KHSAA institutions.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 14, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

As stated above....

Good for you Ken. Stick with it. A very good writeup.

Personal reasons are no excuse for breaking rules. Also “ignorance of the law is no excuse.”

These kinds of infractions are what I was referring to in a former post where I stated that
“anarchy is coming in college sports.” Anarchy, of course, means lawlessness. Everyone does his own thing. No holds barred.

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Jul 14, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrong

“[H]e used athletic considerations for his choice of J’Town, that in and of itself clearly runs counter to the cited KHSAA bylaws.”

Wrong. The bylaws say, as I quoted above, that it’s prohibited if "the change in schools [wa]s motivated in whole or part by a desire to participate in athletics at the new school."

Not the choice of schools, but the change in schools. Obviously Price’s choice of schools was motivated in some substantial part by the basketball program. But no one can say that the change in schools was motivated by a desire to play hoops at J’town, since the change in schools was decided well before the decision of J’town.

I’m not arguing with the statute, I’m saying that it doesn’t seem to me that the kid violated it, based on the argument above.

by cmadler on Jul 14, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

To put it another way

Given the quote from Price, can you really say that the decision to leave Cleveland for Louisville was motivated by a desire to participate in athletics at J’town (the new school)? I don’t see how, because at the time the decision to relocate from Cleveland to Louisville was made, he obviously had no more interest in J’town than in any of the other schools he mentioned.

by cmadler on Jul 14, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really dont see the problem.

I think cmadler hit the nail on the head. I dont have a problem with the statute if someone is moving to another town for a reason other than athletics and I dont have a problem if the by product of that move is that the person chooses the best school for him athletically or scholastically. When people move to a new town most of the time they look for the best school district in that town they can afford. To me in principle, this is a situation that is no different.
If he was moving to that town just for a specific school for the athletics rather than his parents were going to move anyway, then the rule would be definitely applicable, but in this case the applicability is pretty gray.

by UKTimmy on Jul 15, 2010 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's happened before

Jay Arnette transfered from BCHS to Russell in the 80’s to escape the bench. Others transferred to Holy Family, Fairview, and Rose Hill for the same reasons. I think we really need to look at this in terms of private schools recruiting players; which swung the balance of power from Consolidated HS’s to Private schools. Since Jeffersonville is a PUBLIC school, this is a win for Public school athletic programs.

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Jul 14, 2010 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

It's happened.....

Mabye so. But Jeffery Dahmer was a cannibal. Does that mean I can also cannibalize my fellow man? There is no justification for breaking the rules. It doesn’t matter what “situational
ethics” teaches. Rules are rules and may from time to time be modified by those in authority.
They are not however open to individual interpretation. The NCAA has never realized this.

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Jul 14, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mountain out of a molehill

More power to him for his approach. If your family is going to move across state lines I think it’s smart of him to figure out which school best fits his needs. I’m somewhat surprised this blog even raises its eyebrows for something that may run counter to KHSAA bylaws. In the past this same organization has been drawn and quartered for some of its decisions and when it comes down to it, this argument (citing possible conflict with KHSAA) seems weak at best.
 
I think a better argument is why KHSAA has such a stupid bylaw in the first place. Sure it keeps in-state players from making short moves then concentrating in one school but it shouldn’t have any applicability to someone moving from out of state. By the way, Lakewood is outside Cleveland. Have you ever been to Cleveland? I’d be moving, too – for any reason.

by hoboat33 on Jul 14, 2010 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Cleveland - The mistake by the lake

The last time I was there was about 40 years ago, so I’ve never been there when the river wasn’t on fire.

I may be paranoid, but that doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

by UKCat on Jul 14, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cleveland....

These are colorful reasons for breaking the rules but are still inexcusable.

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Jul 14, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: hoboat

With all due respect:

My argument is based on KHSAA bylaws, which are unequivocal on this point. Far from “weak.”

As far as this blog being hard on the KHSAA – During the Euton transfer I steadfastly gave the KHSAA the benefit of the doubt, because I know there has been rampant recruiting going on in KY HS basketball and football for decades, but in the end, DeVries couldn’t come up with any evidence (if indeed there was any to be had), so the KHSAA was left with no choice but to rule Euton and Jackson eligible due in no small part to public pressure. I certainly don’t think the KHSAA is perfect, but I’m not a basher of the organization … never have been.

Why does the KHSAA have such a “stupid” bylaw – Remember this; the member schools set the rules and guidelines under which they operate, not the KHSAA. The KHSAA only enforces (or attempts to enforce) the bylaws school administrators set forth. And in the Price case, clearly, KHSAA bylaws were fractured.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 14, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I likely over-reacted

but the whole issue seems to be looking for some way to besmirch UL via a comment made by a future player. Heaven knows I’m not going to stick up for UL but I think this issue can be swept under the rug using common sense. The kid wants what is best for himself and his situation, while on the surface looks applicable to the bylaws, is not the intent of this bylaw.

Using the term “weak” was not my intent, sorry. I simply meant “stupid” with regards to this kids situation.

by hoboat33 on Jul 14, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey man, you can disagree with me

That’s not problem. Actually, I was talking with a friend of mine the other day about sports writers. We were talking about disagreeing with a certain writer, but I pointed out that any time someone puts their opinion out there as many times as I, Tru, and mainstream media people do, it’s almost an impossibility that we’re all going to agree all the time.

To your first sentence: I knew that some folks would think I’m bringing this up because the kid is going to U of L, but that isn’t the case. If this kid was commited to UK, I would have written the same piece. Simply put, I despise the BS that goes on in HS athletics in Kentucky. It really is obscene.

When I read what Price said, it blew me away, because he so obviously admitted to (unknowingly) breaking the transfer rule. Now, one can debate the feasibility/need for such a rule, but the rule currently does exist.

I do appreciate the clarification, but there was no need.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 14, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I likely...

“Common sense.” A new excuse for breaking rules. There’s a very, very, very old saying It goes something like this, “There is NO freedom without the law.”

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Jul 14, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now that is a contradiction

in terms. All laws are restrictions on freedoms. We all sacrifice certain freedoms to live in a structured society. A truly free person would scare the crap out of most of us.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Jul 14, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now that...

Man, where did you attend college? The University of Moscow? Your statement is
right out of a philosphy that Vladimir Illich Lenin loved.

Here in America it is also known as “truth is where you find it.” ’fraid not!

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Jul 14, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now that (2)...

Well I hope you never meet because may keel over dead. I am free and it was a wonderful gift.

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Jul 14, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have read your posts,

and I do not see anything there written by a free man.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Jul 18, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have......

“If the Son shall set you free ye shall be free indeed.”

Enjoy the present hour,
Be mindful of the past;
And neither fear nor wish
The approaches of the last.
Poor Richard's Almanac

by alwaysblue on Jul 19, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

But unfortunately

Will Rogers said it best – ""You can’t legislate intelligence and common sense into people."

Our long term hope rests in the words of Abraham Lincoln – “Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves, and, under a just God, cannot long retain it.”

by hoboat33 on Jul 15, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or better

“The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly.” – Also Lincoln

by hoboat33 on Jul 15, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or...

Don’t get me started on “Adolph” Lincoln; the Father of dictatorial power in the
United States. He would know because he denied it to a legitimate, legal and
Constitutional nation. The CSA. As they say at the end of a military radio transmission, OUT.

Don’t waste your time responding. I’m not getting caught up in anymore of these asinine debates. Fish elsewhere.

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Jul 15, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sigh*

I see no need to attack others alwaysblue.

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Jul 15, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

haha

That gets a rec from me!

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 15, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff t.

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Jul 15, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course not.

Only when it’s you who are under attack.

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Jul 15, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see...

Well sometimes I can’t help it because I’m always blue. You know,
“Like I’m beat, man.” When I was in college I ran out of money. Wrote my old man and said, “No mon’ no fun, your son.” He answered "Too bad, so sad, your da.’

Now how could a guy that’s beat, be positive with that kind of an old man?

PS The little girl is what you are not. She’s precious.

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Jul 15, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see....

Left the “d” off dad. Also forgot the LOL.

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Jul 15, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was meant to be a light-hearted pic

And you find me not precious? I think I am. :-)

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Jul 15, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was meant...

OK, so I’m rolling in the floor from laughter. My heart is so light that it has stood me back upright. The “Force” was with me.

Enjoy the present hour,
Be mindful of the past;
And neither fear nor wish
The approaches of the last.
Poor Richard's Almanac

by alwaysblue on Jul 17, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

a2d2

not precious?? That’s crazy talk.

by blue kentucky girl on Jul 15, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

a2d2....

Hey, I already say I’m beat. Whadaya wanna do? Beat me down some mo’. I be precious too, even if I be beat.

Enjoy the present hour,
Be mindful of the past;
And neither fear nor wish
The approaches of the last. PRA

by alwaysblue on Jul 15, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you bkg

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Jul 15, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just wondering

If I hadn’t told you the quotes were by Lincoln, what would have been your response. No big deal.

by hoboat33 on Jul 15, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just....

But you did. I still respect your opinion, 33.

Enjoy the present hour,
Be mindful of the past;
And neither fear nor wish
The approaches of the last. PRA

by alwaysblue on Jul 15, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I included those quotes

because of their content, not their author.

by hoboat33 on Jul 15, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I included...

Yeah. I should have known. Jumped the gun again. No offense intended. Thanks

Enjoy the present hour,
Be mindful of the past;
And neither fear nor wish
The approaches of the last. PRA

by alwaysblue on Jul 15, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Bobby Johnson resigned from Vanderbilt

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 14, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

shocking, really

So close to the start of fall camp. Can’t wait to hear why.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 14, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Made me sit up and shake my head even....lol...

I thought that even I could go to Vandy and coach Football for at least 10 years without getting fired…..lol

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 14, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, he wasn't fired, he resigned. Over what, I don't know.

He’s done as good a job as anyone in my lifetime has done at Vandy.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 14, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Seems like there has to be an underlying reason. Hopefully not health problems.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 14, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope they don't

hire someone who can really win down there!

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Jul 14, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just flew in from another planet...

and am wondering what I just stumbled upon…I’m off to elsewhere in the galaxy, looking for intelligent life…

by BlueOrion on Jul 15, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Everybody take a happy pill

I haven’t heard this much bickering since the last time I visited my in-laws.

I may be paranoid, but that doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

by UKCat on Jul 15, 2010 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Bickering?

These are friendly debates. Apart from our blog site, most of us would sit down and have a glass of “lemonade” in fellowship together. Yo Ho Ho, and a bottle of Rum. LOL

Happy days are here again,
The skies are Wildcat Blue again,
We've got the best recruits again,
Happy days are here again.

by alwaysblue on Jul 15, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or

a bottle of wine mabye?

Enjoy the present hour,
Be mindful of the past;
And neither fear nor wish
The approaches of the last. PRA

by alwaysblue on Jul 15, 2010 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

pitino is getting desperate

lol he is on the verge of being erased as the state of ky best modern coach

"UK isn't a choice, you're born bleeding blue"

by kentuckywild on Jul 19, 2010 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Better than Denny Crum?

2 nc’s for Denny, 1 for Pitino…

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Jul 21, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

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