NCAA: A Look at the NCAA Findings Against USC
I have finally found a bit of time to examine the now-infamous NCAA report against the University of Southern California. This report, I think, provides a unique and comprehensive look into how the NCAA functions in its investigations.
Fair warning. This is a lengthy piece, so if you are in a hurry, you might want to read something else, or just start now and finish later. I am a fan of thoroughness, not necessarily brevity.
Kentucky fans, of course, know NCAA investigations well -- to our woe. There is no point in hiding from our scofflaw past, or minimizing the things UK has done or objecting to the consequences. UK has been clean for 20 years now in basketball and nine in football. We all want those records of compliance to continue unabated, of course.
By looking carefully at what happened to USC, hopefully the readers of A Sea of Blue will become more familiar with what happened there. The commentary for and against the sanctions leveled against USC is coming in thick and fast now, and by examining what the NCAA reported itself, A Sea of Blue readers should be able to place these commentaries in context and be better able to form their own opinion.
The NCAA report may be found here. What we'll do next is take a look at the major allegations, what the NCAA claimed as proof, and what the school claimed argued against the NCAA finding. I will summarize each one as briefly as possible, and you can read the report for yourself if you need more detail:
VIOLATIONS OF AMATEURISM LEGISLATION [Football].
This one centers around evidence that during his time as a Trojan, Reggie Bush, his family and two others agreed to form a sports agency and market Bush's talent after his USC playing days. Not only that, but some of the principles of the agency apparently supplied Bush and his family with all manner of extra benefits, mostly in the form of cash, in order to avoid a paper trail that would subject them to NCAA sanctions.
This section reads like a criminal indictment, and indeed it could be. What you will find here are numerous witnesses directly involved in the matter admitting to portions of the conduct that the NCAA was trying to prove. One of the partners was apparently a felon, and the NCAA relied heavily on his testimony, but far from exclusively. Enough of his testimony is corroborated by others to undo much of the inherent problems with his credibility in the eyes of the NCAA.
Indeed, USC's only objections to this section appear to be the character of the main witness. If the NCAA relied exclusively on that witness, the school might have a point -- clearly, this person is not only a felon but a man who had no compunctions whatever about violating NCAA rules and using Bush and his family for his future enrichment. He has a ton of character -- all of it lower than whale excrement. But so much of his testimony is supported by others that the school's complaints ring hollow.
This section also illustrates how hard it is for the NCAA to conduct an investigation without subpoena power. They were stonewalled at almost every turn by Bush, his family, and their co-conspirators. The NCAA must rely on the good will of people involved in these types of activities to help them connect the dots, and this particular investigation is a case study in how difficult and painful it is to do this without being able to compel testimony or documents. No wonder it took them so long to get this done.
On the other hand, this points up the sad reality that the NCAA must largely depend on what would be deemed "hearsay" evidence in order to enforce their rules. Nobody should think this is a good thing, but it is the nature of the NCAA that it lacks the legal power to create a bulletproof case against a school. In this case, they will be heavily criticized for relying on the testimony of a witness of undeniably bad character. That wasn't all they had, but it was a big portion of it, and critics will drub them relentlessly for that.
Long story short -- the Bush family and other associates formed an agency, and the "money partners" provided money and benefits to Bush and his family -- not hundreds, not a couple thousand but many tens of thousands of dollars in impermissible benefits, perhaps even as much as $100,000 were it all counted. Necessarily, much of it was missed due to the fact that most of the payments were in cash or in cash to third parties, making the tracking of the payments difficult.
UNETHICAL CONDUCT; FAILURE TO REPORT KNOWLEDGE OF NCAA VIOLATIONS [Football].
In this part of the report, the NCAA accused the assistant football coach of knowing that Bush was engaged in NCAA violations and failing to report it. They also accused him of dissembling to the NCAA staff during the investigation.
The NCAA caught the assistant coach in a lie. They did a very good job of checking his testimony to them against other pieces of evidence including group photos and phone calls. There is no definitive proof that the assistant coach lied, but just as the NCAA is not given subpoena power to compel testimony, it has wide latitude to ignore rigorous due process and make judgments out of what we would call, "common sense." There is little doubt in this instance that common sense is right.
AMATEURISM VIOLATIONS, IMPERMISSIBLE EXTRA BENEFITS [Football].
This charge relates to the employment of Bush and others as interns in a sports agency, exclusively given to athletes at USC. No red flags here, right? Yikes.
There are some additional violations, some minor and some not, regarding Bush. Moving on.
IMPERMISSIBLE INDUCEMENTS AND EXTRA BENEFITS [Basketball].
This is all about O.J. Mayo. Among other things, Mayo was determined to have received the following extra benefits:
- Transportation and lodging at various times and in various places paid by boosters;
- Money in the amount of about $600 wired to his girlfriend by boosters;
- A cell phone and a wireless account paid by boosters in the amount of around $2,500;
- Monthly wireless service for his brother in the amount of approximately $1,500;
- A $1,400 wide-screen television which was provided by a member of Mayo's posse.
As you can see, the benefits Mayo got were utterly dwarfed by those received by Bush. Also, there is no mention in the report of the alleged $1,000 paid by Coach Tim Floyd to Rodney Guillory, the guy responsible for many of Mayo's gifts. Reports had the benefits paid to Mayo in the neighborhood of $30,000, but it seems that the NCAA could only come up with proof of less than half that. I'm not sure if this indicates the relative importance USC places on the respective sports of football and basketball, but why not assume it?
The report also gigs the women's tennis team for impermissible telephone calls, but that is added almost as an afterthought.
LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL [All Sports].
This seems a fait accompli given all the foregoing, but there are some interesting things in this as well. The NCAA hit USC with having an enforcement staff that was substantially undermanned, and was so ineffective as to miss:
- Reggie Bush's tricked-out Impala. Automobile records of student athletes are required to be updated when there are changes;
- Monitoring Reggie Bush's employment at the sports marketing agency. A college kid employed by a sports marketing agency is such an obvious red flag that a LOIC charge could rise from this event alone.
- Tim Floyd, after traveling to Indianapolis to discuss the evils of college basketball recruiting with the president of the NCAA, completely ignored the fact that the man who showed up at his door offering two of the best players in high school basketball to him was a walking, talking NCAA violation, and told his assistant coach to stay in touch with him, which ultimately led to the Mayo affair.
- Exceeding the number of accountable coaches in the football program. How the heck is that even possible except through gross negligence or some other complete breakdown?
- Booster contact. Detailed above.
- Failure to monitor long distance phone charges. This is a recurring NCAA violation at many schools (Indiana, anyone?)
All in all, this was not simply a case of a few errors slipping through the cracks. Bush and his connections received many tens of thousands and probably more, while Mayo and his connections received a lesser amount but still in the tens of thousands of dollars. We have seen entire seasons invalidated for far less money than this, and of course, that will be the case with USC also.
I won't comment on the sufficiency of the penalties, as they are deservedly severe. The NCAA seriously considered banning the Trojans from television altogether, and according to the report, the decision not to do so was a very close call. The committee was also chagrined at the poor quality of overall cooperation by the institution, as well as the obvious fact that USC was not committed to compliance due to an understaffed compliance department.
The assistant football coach was sanctioned with a show-cause penalty, but not the head coach and none of the basketball coaching staff was sanctioned. How this is possible is beyond me. Floyd clearly knew better, and went ahead anyway. Pete Carroll? How can one of your assistants get a show-cause penalty and you barely get mentioned. Who hired that guy, anyway?
Overall, this was as egregious a public report as I have ever laid eyes on. Most reports are highly technical in nature and carry a great number of nit-picky violations that leave you scratching your head. Not this one. This was pure meat-and-potatoes, and heavy on the pork fat.
As for what we learned about the NCAA, it is clear that they are fully aware of their lack of subpoena power, and that they have decided to make up for that lack by not allowing institutions to use legal arguments against their conclusions. The most obvious case of that in this situation is their extensive reliance on the testimony of a convicted felon. In a court of law, his character would be impeached by virtue of his previous misbehavior.
The NCAA ignored the felony conviction altogether in favor of the obvious fact that much of his testimony was supported by the testimony of others. USC's only argument against him was, "He's a bad guy and can't be trusted." That may work for a jury in an adversarial setting like our legal system, but the NCAA jury wasn't buying.
What all this tells us is, as if we needed reminding, that the NCAA is not a courtroom, and doesn't use the same kind of "due process" as the courts do. Using legal arguments against an NCAA finding is folly, and the best way to approach their findings it with the same sort of "common sense" reasoning that they themselves seem to apply, whether or not it is persuasive. At least in that case, you are fighting the same battle on the same battlefield. Trying to "legalize" the accusations by using such devices as questioning the character of a witness who has multiple corroborating witnesses and other facts just pisses them off.
In the end, this was an easy, obvious case of wrongdoing. It may have been hard to assemble, but once the pieces are put together, the picture in the puzzle is clear.
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UK1972
Boy I could really go into your comment of why it gets no attention by the “drive by news media”
but this is not allowed here and I agree with that.
I will say this however, that for many years it has been “politically incorrect” to speak evil of the northeast or the west coast media.
May not be popular, but there’s the reason.
Big Dan Issel......The Best there is.
I'm not sure there is any reason to claim a conspiracy of media silence on this issue.
First the majority of the basic facts (and more) in the NCAA’s case against USC were all developed by the media prior to, and during, the 4 year NCAA investigative period. Each time the allegations stemming from that investigative media report were roundly discussed on the full spectrum of media outlets from NPR to fan blogs. The LATimes by itself must have an easy 200+ pieces written on the various individual topics over the 4-plus years. Living here in Southern California, I’ve seen a veritable fire storm of media reports and op-ed pieces on the NCAA’s report and penalties in the last week.
You are correct however, in observing the fairly rapid fall off in reporting and discussion. I attribute the decline to shear fatigue on the part of both the media covering the issue and their audience. There wasn’t anything in the report in the nature of a surprise, the media had already been trying to build suspense for a couple of weeks around the anticipated release date of the prior Friday (that didn’t happen), and when it actually was released, the only thing to talk about with any novelty was the issue of whether the sanctions were too severe or not. After a brief but universal debate of that topic, where USC’s small but vocal fanbase essentially crowded out everyone else on the topic by taking both sides of the discussion, there was very little to talk about. Everybody who doesn’t have a fair fraction of their personal net worth tied up in USC memorabilia or fans of programs with long standing issues with the NCAA have moved on.
In a time frame that threatened total realignment of every major college athletic conference and the death of the Big 12, the possible defection of Izzo to the NBA, death of John Wooden, World Cup Soccer, NBA Finals, NFL Controversies, NCAA Div. 1 Baseball Regionals, etc., etc., et cetera, I find it amazing that you, too, haven’t moved on.
Hey, have you read the latest Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics report? It just came out! Great stuff…!
Great write-up
Thanks for picking through that report and going into such detail, not just about the charges, but about the NCAA’s process in finding this.
Most welcome.
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by Glenn Logan on Jun 17, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Tru
Thanks for a most informative piece. Well written as usual.
Big Dan Issel......The Best there is.
Most welcome.
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by Glenn Logan on Jun 17, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Long Distance Calls
The long distance calls were not the same as Indiana’s violation. Indiana’s violation involved a failure to monitor recruiting calls by coaches, a recruiting violation. In USC’s case the violation involved a student-athlete using athletic department phones to make long distance calls, an extra benefit violation. That’s a much rarer violation now since every athletic department uses long distance access codes so student-athletes can’t just pick up the phone.
The Bylaw Blog - The Unofficial Blog of NCAA Compliance
Great point.
I really wasn’t trying to say they were the same, merely an area in which schools frequently have compliance problems.
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by Glenn Logan on Jun 17, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, after reading that whole thing, I now understand why it took them so long to investigate
the situation. I am curious though about one thing. The fact that a lot of the evidence is heresay in a couple of those violations makes the case so much more intangible. And based upon the fact that so much money changed hands in the case of both of these guys, HOW DID USC avoid the death penalty? And I am not saying they necessarily deserved it, just that if they had this much on us, they would have locked us up and thrown away the key. And why the huge penalty for football, when even though the monetary amounts may have been different, the violations were essientially of the same variety, and seeing as how they were across two different sports, I would have thought that the lack of institutional control was a given, to the point of it being almost NECESSARY to hit them with the death penalty.
I do understand that the coaches for both were no longer involved, but it does seem like they would have sanctioned at least Floyd from coaching activity or something to that effect.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
The NCAA ...
… is anything but predictable and consistent on how it hands down punishment. The punishment is not the “death penalty,” but it is pretty close and was nearly closer.
I can’t answer your question, though. Sorry.
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by Glenn Logan on Jun 17, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I am reading too much into it as well. Pete Carroll sure does try and make a case
for the NCAA going on a “witch hunt” in his little video he made, and in his press statements. I do believe though they have to find a way to punish the players themselves in these things. I dont know how, but there has to be a way.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Agreed allblu cat
All blu,
my suggestion would be to make scholarships contingent on the ability of the student athlelete to maintain an amature standing. Violating this agreement would revoke the scholarship and make the schloarship student pay back the full amount X1 for minor, x3 for major and up to 45 or however many the the school loses in being punished by the ncaa.
Then make a rule that the scholarship money being forfeited by the player ,the instituion must use for full scholarships for disadvantage non student athelete enrollment.
ALLBLUCAT
Right again. My wife and I become very angry when a university is punished and it’s present and future players have to pay for it. Anyone on the BB coaching staff involved is
usually fired while the real culprits go their merry way.
Of course once those players are gone; the university is left holding the bag, taking one
for “The Gipper.”
Big Dan Issel......The Best there is.
I thought the Death Penalty had to meet...
….some sort of yearly repetitive standard or the fact that you’d be found out of compliance while on probation?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jun 17, 2010 5:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They technically were out of compliance while on probation. A lot of this occurred while they were on probation.
And it did cross over two sports…..that seems on the surface to be repetitive to me
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
I meant repetitive from a year-to-year standpoint.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jun 17, 2010 11:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, in the guise of being fair, the Reggie Bush situation played out over what,
two years? Don’t get me wrong, I again think this USC situation is so far out of line with reality it isnt even funny. For a program to have gone that “rogue” so to speak, that they were letting asst. Coaches even have conversations wih people like that. And Reggie Bush needs to pay dearly for what he did to USC, but they cannot claim ignorance. I mean, there are so many issues here that I am not even sure which is the most egregious.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
ALLBLUCAT
Very good point. I was living in Texas when SMU, on it’s way up, got swatted down by a 3 year death penalty. And, I might add, for a whole lot less than USC. They’ve never recovered.
Big Dan Issel......The Best there is.
It just amazes me
the tone the NCAA has concerning their limited ability to investigate violations. Numerous times they moan about not being able to fully investigate the infractions. If they are going to cede subpeona power to maintain their stranglehold on college athletics (and athletes) don’t try to get sympathy for the “difficult circumstances” they face when performing investigations.
Sorry, for the rant against the NCAA. As you’ve likely gathered, I have no love for the organization. Like labor unions, it is a great idea in it’s purest form but it is no longer pure.
Read the USC response
Tru, like you I read the entire NCAA report…What I was most looking for was a connection that the coaching staff knew.
Which as you point out came down to the approval the school gave to bush to work as an intern at a sports marketing agency and the the position coach alledged relationship with the accuser.
Like you I thought the Bush working for the sports marketer was a no brainer as you say "
Monitoring Reggie Bush’s employment at the sports marketing agency. A college kid employed by a sports marketing agency is such an obvious red flag that a LOIC charge could rise from this event alone. "
Until I read USC’s response to the charges http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/usc/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/USCs2009ResponsetoNCAA.pdf
which pointed out two important facts.
1) There is not a rule against a student athelete working for a sports marketing agent .
2)USC in there response pointed out the NCAA pamphet on student atheletes working for a sports marketing agency to wit"
NCAA "It is permissible for an agent to employ an individual provided:
1)compensation is paid for the work actually performed
2)the student athelete is qualified to perform the work
3) there is no marketing of student atheletes athletic ability or reputation. "
So the connection to USC and the agency becoming a representive of USC falls apart. It was permitted . See also NCAA pamphlett permitting this and USC compliance staff sending the rules to the prospective agent to ensure the employer undetstood the rules.
The only other link was the the USC position coach and alledged relationship with the accuser.
Your claim and that of the NCAA report “The NCAA caught the assistant coach in a lie. They did a very good job of checking his testimony to them against other pieces of evidence including group photos and phone calls.”
USC response this this actually shows the oppisite. That thier not only was no colloboration of the testimony of lake. But there was actually testimony of others including Lakes Girl friend that showed he directly lied about knowing and meeting the posistion coach.
Further more the three phone calls to Llyod lakes phone from the position coach all lasted 1 Minute on the same night and also showed calls to Reggie Bush.
The assitant coach stated that Reggie was entertaining a recruit and he was calling a number bush gave him as an alternate way to reach him.
It turns out that a 1:00 call is what is recorded if a phone is not answered. The only other call was in 2005 and was at 1:34 am the night before the position coach was sitting down with potential agents with Reggie Bush to negotiate potential contracts after Reggie decalred for the draft.
Bottom line after reviewing the USC response and the NCAA report.
The NCAA case would never stand up to an appeal in any court in the united states.Furthermore I have serious doubts that any reasonable person would conclude that the coaches at USC would have or should have known anything.
The money that Lloyd Lake and the NCAA states that he paid to Reggie Bush… This is complete fiction, unless you believe that Lakes mother or sister paid him 10 of thousands of dollars that they had laying around the house. USC pushed them for any bank record . Lake said he could provide cancelled checks but never did . The mother after stating that she must have withdrawn the money from the bank earlier . When faced with the bank statement that showed no withdraws of any amount close . Changed her story a few times. Not one person ever showed any money, bank transaction or anything closley resembling what could be reasonably construed as evidense to the NCAA .
We are supposed to take it on faith because a conviceted Felon says it happened in between Jail sentences that it happened. That is not hearsay, when the person making the statments has a finacial incentive to make the statements and is shown to be lying. If I’m not mistaken that is called perjury or slander.
One thing I do know is that Reggie Bush did take impermissible benifits . I know this not because of the USC report or the NCAA reports. I know this because he settled with Lakes Partner that did have the means to provide the benifits. I also know that the basket ball program was wrong and a major recruiting violation.
Does the football program deserve twice the punishment of the basket ball program? If so please explain your logic or reason ?
Second I do believe that the NCAA on a whole does not treat the PAC 10 fairly. SInce the PAC 10 is the only confernce in the history of NCAA football to have the #1 and #2 teams in the Polls fail to make it the BCS.
I thank Pete Carrol for Texas at USC. and USC at Notre Dame. I enjoy all college sports and appreciate the great games. Just as I enjoy Kentucky’s run a few years ago in football and the fine basket ball program.
Yet I never believe one side of any story until I read both. I suggest for fairness sake you should read the responses from USC
The Rose situation wouldn't have stood up in court either
But thems the breaks….
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
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oldcat70
Ha! Ha! Ha! Had to laugh when I saw this. I’m like you on these long comments however I have to allow members the latitude to write as much as they want. Tru touched on this a while back and stated that ASoB allows members to do this.
So when I see how long a comment is I just go on by until I feel like reading it. Sometimes I don’t read it at all. Works out pretty well for me but may not for you.
Keep on truckin’.
Big Dan Issel......The Best there is.
Response:
1) There is not a rule against a student athelete working for a sports marketing agent .
True, but irrelevant. My opinion is that by establishing the internships only for USC athletes, the firm did in fact become a booster of USC. This is essentially the same thing as a business offering a discount to athletes — a matter of exclusivity. USC’s argument is not persuasive.
Working for any firm is fine as long as the firm does not exclude other equally qualified students who were not athletes, such as marketing students and or students in other areas of sports and sales-related majors. There no doubt were many, but only USC athletes were granted these internships. If this doesn’t smack of a problem to you, well, I can’t help you there.
Regarding the assistant coach, I find USC’s response as unpersuasive as USC found the coach’s testimony. It is implausible that the coach would speak to a person he did not know for 21/2 minutes, and it is doubly implausible since the NCAA found three other calls between Partner A and the coach — keeping in mind the coach claimed not to know Partner A at all!
Honestly, USC’s response is exactly the wrong thing to do. They challenge the NCAA’s "fair process" on legalistic grounds, and I point out above that this is never going to work. The NCAA are not going to surrender to USC’s definition of fair process, whatever precedent they may assure us is relevant. USC should try to fight on the NCAA’s battlefield, not assure them that they have no right to it.
Most of USC’s response is confined to the adversarial process of legal wrangling. If you will note above, I have pointed out why that sort of response is flawed. USC tries to attack the NCAA on three grounds:
- It’s primary witness was unreliable despite numerous points corroborated by other testimony and evidence;
- The NCAA was unfair in its investigation because it did not give USC the process they considered fair;
- The evidence they provided is insufficient.
All of that may be (and probably would be) a problem in a courtroom. But this battle is not being fought there.
This is a losing proposition, and USC’s response is factually weak and almost laughably inane. They go on and on about the criminal record of the main witness against them, as I said they would. That is actually a trap that the NCAA sprung on USC. The NCAA had confirmed about 85% of this guy’s testimony with at least one other independent witness or document. They are convinced he was telling the truth for the most part, if not entirely, and they have sufficient corroborative evidence to hold that opinion. USC’s entire response is to attack the witness’ character, which is low, to be sure. But the bottom line is, even people of the worst sort don’t always lie, and that’s what USC expects the NCAA to acquiesce to.
Then, USC comes up with a conspiracy theory for the ages:
The credible evidence indicates that agency partner A fabricated this story to hurt the assistant football coach — the man he blamed for student-athlete 1’s decision to not hire agency partner A.
Heh. That’s mighty convenient. Not only was this guy a liar about all manner of other accusations, but he had it in for the poor coach. So he made up a lie despite the fact that Partner A’s girlfriend was explicit:
Uh, I just remember (agency partner A) making the calls. And then, uh, he was, like, you know, I hate to do this but I’m gonna have to ‘cause I’m not about to get screwed. So he called, I just remember the word co, I just remember coach. So I’m just assuming it’s him (the assistant coach), but I’m not sure.
I think that was a fair assumption given the phone record. In my opinion, the NCAA has enough proof that the coach did what they say he did, and lied about it afterward.
Honestly, I cannot get into the punishment, the NCAA is so inconsistent that I don’t really know if it is too light or too harsh. But on casual glance, it looks about right. It looks to me like Bush received close to $100,000 in benefits, and possibly more. There is no doubt in my mind the school was not trying to ensure Bush did not violate NCAA rules, and there is no doubt in my mind that if the compliance and coaching staff did not actually know about it, they should have.
USC’s response is really not very good, and will not convince many people that don’t have a rooting interest.
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In those long days leading up to the NCAA’s judgement of the sordid mess that was USC, I spent time on the different blogs associated with USC’s fan base in order to gauge what the feeling was in-house. They repeatedly claimed to threaten legal action to the point that common sense did NOT prevail. I regret to say that I was a bit irate and sent them the following:
What I just can’t understand is how thick the skulls are on these infantile USC bloggers or commentators or what ever they’re called. I love it when they summon the disdain of the truly uninformed and airily predict that the ‘power’ and ‘riches’ of USC alums will protect them via a lawsuit against the NCAA. Have these idiots ever thought about the power of a subpoena? The unsealing of the records that Mr. Bush paid to have sealed would be the least of it. Now if only the smallest of the allegations are true, which of the participants will cut the first deal when the potential charges of perjury for lying under oath are brought. Let’s examine that shall we:
1. Pete Carroll?
Do you think that the goofy grin and disingenuousness that he drops into at the mention of the word sanction will help when confronted with lawyers and a court master? Brave, brave Petey will fold like yesterdays newspaper.
2. Reggie Bush?
Now here’s a stalwart lad for you. He has proven his toughness time and time again. The ‘times’ you ask? Each of the two would be agents that footed the bills (there is no question as to the authenticity of the documents, the damn fool signed his own name), got right up to the courthouse steps before our Reggie ponied up enough dough to skate again.
3. Lane, Big Ed, anybody who was an assistant?
Which of these stalwarts will crack first? Remember Sons of Troy, it only takes one. And if perjury attaches, what about conspiracy?
Now with all of that to chew on, perhaps the children will go to bed and dream of sugar plums instead of trying to impress with lofty sounding but meaningless drivel. It’s my fondest hope that the NCAA brings down Agamemnon’s hammer once again and crushes Troy. I vote for death!
Sadly, I was banned at “WeareUSC”
John Gregory Jerdon
I think you make some good points.
A lawsuit against the NCAA, notwithstanding the fact that USC has admitted to a number of the charges, could create criminal liability for the participants, including some of the school’s employees.
Subpoena power is probably not something USC wants associated with all this. Even if the compliance department is clean, and there were no actual criminal statutes violated (Mail fraud, though, seems a very real danger), it is likely that most of the NCAA’s allegations would be proven more strongly with the prospect of discovery.
In the end, I think this is much bluster from a school who knows they did wrong, and just wants to defend their reputation any way they can. I doubt they will follow through on their threats for all the reasons you mention.
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by Glenn Logan on Jun 18, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions

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