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Clarifying my Thoughts on John Wooden

John Wooden: A man who evoked many emotions.

There has been some acrimonious discussion among those who visit A Sea of Blue about this post I made about former UCLA coach John Wooden.  After consultation and much reflection, I've decided to clarify my thoughts on coach Wooden, and his time at UCLA.

I realize many, many college basketball fans have a tremendous amount of respect for coach Wooden and what he accomplished during his time at UCLA.  Moreover, Wooden is considered by most that knew him to be a man of high character, and possessing outstanding leadership qualities.  And while I think Wooden was a fine basketball coach, and an even better man, I have serious questions regarding the now well-known unethical activities that took place during his time at UCLA.

Afterall, there have been many coaches and universities severely punished for committing much less egregious acts than what occurred during Wooden's tenure.  This fact offends my sense of justice, and has led me to have less-than positive feelings about Wooden and his achievements on the court.

This ...

" ... and for a laundry list of somewhat clever John Wooden quotes ... now we know what Wooden was doing while Sam Gilbert was lavishing his players with all manner of extra benefits.  Oops.  Did I just write that?"

... was meant to be a lighted-hearted poke at Wooden, as well as the NCAA.

But, if in any way, I offended anyone with my words, then I certainly do apologize.  I'm sure there are many who read A Sea of Blue who think very highly of coach Wooden, which is something I did not take into account prior to posting my thoughts.  I can't reiterate enough that the post wasn't intended to be offensive to anyone.  I realize the man recently passed away, and some people are rightfully quite sensitive about anyone saying/writing anything negative about someone who has just died, especially when the man meant so much to them.  And I can understand that sentiment.

Ken Howlett

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Illegal

I did not realize there were illegal activities involving the relationship among scholarship athletes, UCLA, and boosters (Sam Gilbert the most likely). Would you please share with me the laws that were alleged to have been violated?

I am completely convinced that NCAA regulations were shredded and I have heard rumors that Gilbert had Mafia connections. Did Gilbert’s shady side actually spill over from the shade into the clear light of the California sun?

by Ford Prefect on Jun 14, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

anyone who takes their "moniker" from an alien who couldnt pass an IQ test with

Albert Einstein taking it for them should not be taken seriously…..

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 14, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who said anything about laws being violated?

I don’t find “illegal” used anywhere in his comments.

As a matter of fact, Sam Gilbert was indicted on federal money-laundering charges, but died before he could be tried on them.

Some details may be found here:

John Wooden, the legendary basketball coach, said in an interview that he “worried” about Gilbert’s influence on his team and warned his players against associating with him. Later, reports of Gilbert’s involvement in laundering drug money came as “a complete surprise to me,” Wooden said.

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by Glenn Logan on Jun 14, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ken

I don’t think your article said anything that most of the world didn’t already know. Keep up the good work!

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat70 on Jun 14, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah.

I got it.

As a matter of fact, though, Gilbert was involved in illegal business. I think it is fair to conclude that a man who willingly violates NCAA rules is likely to be a scofflaw as well, as his later indictment indeed indicated.

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by Glenn Logan on Jun 14, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You want illegal?

Does tax evasion qualify? Or did all those players report everything to the IRS?

I may be paranoid, but that doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

by UKCat on Jun 15, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

You dont have to explain yourself Ken......

it’s a nice gesture, but completely unnecessary…..

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 14, 2010 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

You did nothing wrong Ken, keep up the good work.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jun 14, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Jun 14, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

This certainly wasn't necessary ...

… but I understand why you did it.

The lack of punishment for the UCLA program is annoying for a UK fan base that has had its share of punishment, especially since the Gilbert story is now so open and public.

by JackBluto on Jun 15, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very nice....

It’s very refreshing to see someone apologize, even if it’s just to one person who may have been hurt. Certainly it’s not necessary, but it is very, very nice.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Jun 14, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

As many pointed out on the first post.....Ken has nothing to apologize for!! He's

doing so because he’s a damn nice guy and if you’ve read more than three words he’s posted you’d know that.

If his apology gives you a sense accomplishment in that all the time you wasted posting today, on a site that you have nothing to do with, served some purpose…..well I’m sure that was Ken’s goal.

Just in case you didn’t read the last post I made on Ken’s prior post……Wooden was never accused of personally cheating…..that’s reserved for a Coach who knowingly sent Ernie to the line to take freethrows for another play…..THAT"S CHEATING

You can't fix "stupid"!

by UKlvrJM on Jun 14, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

???

What in the world is your problem?

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Jun 14, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could you please

point out to me what exactly was wrong with the comment I just made?

Wow.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Jun 14, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

just to be clear.....I read every word of the prior post and kept scratching my

head as I tried to figure out why you kept poking your nose into something when several kept trying to point out that you really weren’t welcome. Hoze is someone that we apparently tolerate on ASOB just because we need a designated UofL guy to argue against any point that’s brought up.

You on the other hand just seemed to be arguing just for argument sake and again…..ignored several who politely or otherwise asked you to leave. Go on your UT site and start the same discussion and see how many UK fans show up.

Ken and Tru both bend over backwards to be fair to people who visit this site and MUCH more so than other sites. That doesn’t mean you’re welcome to visit and just argue.

You can't fix "stupid"!

by UKlvrJM on Jun 14, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

How nice.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Jun 14, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also...

Just wondering, why else would someone argue on a blog like this, if not for “argument sake”?

That doesn’t mean you’re welcome to visit and just argue.

So, I am welcome to visit and agree with everything?

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Jun 14, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

getting ready to take the kids to the pool so this will be my last

on the subject for awhile.

The reason I posted what I did is that you seem to be taking pleasure in Ken’s apology. What I read was that you were mocking Ken’s sincere but again….unnecessary apology.

After reading the prior post and the countless invitations for you to go elsewhere……you just seem to be the kind of person that most normal people hate. Someone who probably camps in the left hand lane and the hell with those behind you…..someone who posts on blogs they aren’t connected to just to post argumenative comments and tick off others…..someone who probably isn’t very happy in their own life and feel the need to share that with the rest of the world…..someone who has more time on their hands and nothing productive to do with their life.

If none of those are true then I sincerely apologize much like Ray Mears did to UK after he had Ernie take Bernie’s freethrows!!

You can't fix "stupid"!

by UKlvrJM on Jun 14, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your "sincere" apology is accepted...

since your extremely hateful assessment is indeed completely unrepresentative of me.

Once again, I appreciate the wonderful hospitality here at ASOB. It’s obvious that by telling Ken what a nice thing he did I deserved to be treated this rudely.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Jun 14, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

And to save someone the trouble....

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Jun 14, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew you liked it!

I defy anyone to look at this picture and not laugh.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jun 14, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that is from Dawson's Creek

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jun 15, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

btcoop71

I still say this is Peyton Manning. LOL

Big Dan Issel......The Best there is.

by alwaysblue on Jun 15, 2010 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

His comments were over the top.

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by Glenn Logan on Jun 14, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay ...

… this is enough. She is welcome to post here. Some of this comment was over the top.

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by Glenn Logan on Jun 14, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a surprise.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Jun 14, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

UKlvrJM

In principle I must agree with you. You make a very good point about Ken and Tru. I find both of them extremely tolerant and longsuffering.

By the way that JM wouldn’t happen to stand for Jim Master would it?

Big Dan Issel......The Best there is.

by alwaysblue on Jun 15, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, let's take a breath here.

No moral equivalences. Be nice.

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by Glenn Logan on Jun 14, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please try harder.

Let’s keep it respectful. We have to try to respect those who may disagree.

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by Glenn Logan on Jun 14, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know me Tru....you and I have disagreed on different issues before!! It's

hard to be respectful to someone who’s obvious goal is just to incite and add nothing to the conversation.

I thought and nothing she’s said makes me feel any different, that she was mocking Ken and while he certainly doesn’t need me to defend him, it was a little much after reading through the prior post and her various sarcastic comments.

Frankly, I couldn’t care less what she thinks but I respect you and Ken too much not to try to be a better citizen!!;-)

You can't fix "stupid"!

by UKlvrJM on Jun 14, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know what is so funny,

I actually thought sddbaker’s comment in this instance was very complimentary of Ken and I thought it genuine in applauding his post, which I agree was not necessary, but I appreciated very much. Was I completely fooled?

That’s why it’s so hard to deem intent on blogs sometimes where you have no idea what words are stressed and what the tone totally is. 10 people could read something and you could have 10 different interpretations of the writer’s intent.

by BigSkyCat on Jun 14, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I was reading them through the lens of her comments on

Ken’s prior post. Please read through all of them and see if you don’t view her comments on here differently.

You can't fix "stupid"!

by UKlvrJM on Jun 14, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

JM

I don’t think it means a “tinkers damn” what we think!

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat70 on Jun 14, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep!!

You can't fix "stupid"!

by UKlvrJM on Jun 14, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Jun 14, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

For What?

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat70 on Jun 14, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not trying to be rude here...

but I wasn’t talking to you. I realize it’s a public forum, but it was a very specific reply to one person.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Jun 14, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

You might try hitting the reply button!

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat70 on Jun 15, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

she did hit the right reply button.

she was talking to me.

And, sddbaker, you are welcome. : )

by BigSkyCat on Jun 15, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay...

Here’s a little lesson – one that was helpful to me. Not sure who someone is replying to? On their comment, click on the “up” button. The comment at the very top of your screen will be the comment the reply goes to.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Jun 15, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa! Never would have known that!

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat70 on Jun 15, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

See...

I’m good for something! ;-)

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Jun 15, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

BigSkyCat

Gonna try a funny here. BSC are you into politics? LOL

Big Dan Issel......The Best there is.

by alwaysblue on Jun 15, 2010 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

ha!

Now, that is actually kind of funny. No, no politics for me, but my old boss (back when I used to have a traditional job) used to tell me that I had a very diplomatic way about me? I don’t know if that is true or the way others really see me, but I totally took that as a compliment. : )

by BigSkyCat on Jun 15, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its a blog. This sort of stuff is part and parcel.

The mainstream media considers it off limits. but there’s no reason to shy away from commentary.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jun 14, 2010 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

To those who may have been offended, grow a thicker skin.

Nothing in the U.S. Constitution gives anyone the right to not be offended.

I may be paranoid, but that doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

by UKCat on Jun 14, 2010 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

As someone who is new

to the world of ASOB but with vast experience blogging about UK sports, I find this site very refreshing concerning the lack of sophmoric trolls and bloggers.

Ken and Glenn due an admirable job of gleaning the wheat from the chaff and I, for one, appreciate it. Hozeking and sddbaker are NOT the norm when it comes to the typical troll. And I find some of their comments fascinating. And that fascinating banter is why I believe that they are allowed to continue to post.

Most people, outside the state, do not like UK sports. That much is a given. But I like that ASOB allows diverging views, as long as they are given respectfully, and a precautionary warning has always been given when the comment/s weren’t respectful.

Thank you ASOB. I appreciate the dilligence and commentary that is put forth on this site. It is as refreshing as an ice cold lemonade after a long, hot day.

by Cameron1 on Jun 14, 2010 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

It seems a little more than a blog

It is more like an online “blue” family. (Siblings hardly ever get along all the time.)
Think about it…..Though he didn’t need to, Tru felt like he should apologize for taking a few well deserved days off. I am sure he wants to pull his hair out sometimes listening to " but he/she started it." Ken felt like he needed to clarify something he wrote, which wasn’t really needed, but it shows what a nice guy he is. And of course BSC always classes-up the place with a great female point of view. :-)

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Jun 14, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

We do our best. Sometimes we fail but we try to do it right.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Jun 14, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Taking advantage

of a Wooden quote. Ken, character is what and who you are. Reputation is what others think of you. You have a sterling reputation on this site that is totally supported by your character as demonstrated by your posts.. See…nice circle of life. Good writing…on both posts.

by CAWebb on Jun 14, 2010 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

CAWebb

Boy you just jogged my memory. A long time ago when in grade school one of my teachers told our class, and I quote, “Character is what you are when no one else is looking.”

Like I said that came back to me in a flash. I’ve never forgotten it.

Big Dan Issel......The Best there is.

by alwaysblue on Jun 15, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ken.

I very much appreciate this article and the effort & reason behind it.

One more perspective on Wooden I never have seen in print. JW was born and raised in Martinsville, IN. That town was the epicenter of the KKK. To be able to get out of that town without any perceived racial prejudices, for me, says a lot about his character.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 14, 2010 8:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I didn't post on the original thread concerning Ken's comment

because I was temporarily off-line visiting my grandkids, but I bit my (typing) tongue when Coach Wooden died because I wanted to point out that his incredible coaching ability and, apparently, high character were at odds with the influence Gilbert had at UCLA. I think that this incongruity is simply evidence of the inconsistencies we all have in terms of reconciling our beliefs with every decision we make.

Life is full of ethical decisions, and, while some are simply black and white, some are grayer than gray. There’s a fine line between being “worried” about Gilbert’s influence and actually doing something about it. It may be that Coach Wooden felt he had done his part by cautioning his players. He may have trusted his players to take his cautions as directives. We really don’t, and can’t, know.

I’m guessing that there are darned few Division I coaches, and darned few of the rest of us, for that matter, who would have spotless ethical records if our entire history was scrubbed with the same brush that has been used to examine Gilbert’s influence, UK’s point-shaving, Sampson’s cell-phone calls, etc, etc, etc.

What I don’t like, however, is the apparent inconsistency that the NCAA has displayed in handling the UCLA problems, and the Corey Magette issue when compared to other violations of it’s sacred rules. If it’s good enough for the “slick” coaches that everyone suspects of cheating, it’s good enough for all. We don’t need one standard for Memphis and UMass and a separate, more lenient, standard for others.

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Jun 14, 2010 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Tarkanian's Book "Runnin' Rebel" Makes The Same Point

He doesn’t complain about NCAA enforcing its rules (per se), just that they do so unfairly and without bias towards some but not others.

I believe John Wooden was the best college basketball coach ever. I also believe UCLA cheated during the latter half of his tenure at UCLA. Bill Walton has been quoted saying (pretty much) the same two things.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 14, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forty....I think you'll agree Pete Newell was a great coach as well. I read

that he had an 8-0 record against Wooden. Wonder if UCLA would have won all those championships if he hadn’t been forced by health issues to retire from Cal?

You can't fix "stupid"!

by UKlvrJM on Jun 14, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

UCLA Did Pretty Well In Pac-8 During 1950's

I doubt Newell was 8-0 versus Wooden.

And yes, UCLA would have won many championships in 1960’s and 70’s with players that wound up there.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 15, 2010 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Won the NCAA in 59 and runner up

in 60…not bad. Also had a winning record against Wooden and to clarify, was 8-0 against Wooden in their last 8 meetings.

My point is that most people forget or just don’t know that Wooden was at UCLA beginning in 1949 and had modest success before Newell was forced by health issues to retire. If he’d stayed healthy, this article and many others might not have even been written.

You can't fix "stupid"!

by UKlvrJM on Jun 15, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

So Did Rupp

He was 3-0 versus Wooden at UCLA.

http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/UCLA.html The last 2 games (1959 and 1961) were nail biters.

Wooden made 5 NCAA appearances at UCLA from 1949 through 1961.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 15, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Forty, FWIW,

I agree completely with you on both counts.

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Jun 15, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

oldcat'69

Bullseye!

Big Dan Issel......The Best there is.

by alwaysblue on Jun 15, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, always,

I guess I get more tolerant as I get older, but I have found few with zero faults.

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Jun 15, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paraphrasing The Bard

Had I the time and inclination it would be challenging and fun to recapitulate Anthony’s entire eulogy but this will have to do:

Friends, Bruins, basketball fans, lend me your ears.
I come to bury Coach, and to praise him.
The good that men do lives after them.
The evil is oft interred with their bones.
So let it be with Wooden.
……
I speak not to disprove what has been spoken,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
Most all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

"There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness." --George Washington

by Wild Weasel on Jun 14, 2010 8:48 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

And men have lost their reason.

Few basketball fans ever resort to reason.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Jun 14, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

WW

RIGHT ON! I love it.

Big Dan Issel......The Best there is.

by alwaysblue on Jun 15, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

It's summertime - go Reds!

by NYCCats on Jun 15, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree!

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat70 on Jun 14, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

JM

I never said he was perfect! He was raised in it. I know nothing about it and can’t stand to watch!;-)

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat70 on Jun 14, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

When Steve

 first found basketball,he thought it was unfair that he could use his hands.

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat70 on Jun 14, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I try and read everything

about Steve. My wife is more a fan than I am if possible. I know soccer is the reason he is still playing ball at his age. He plays in New York City to stay in shape. But you know how it is when you don’t understand something. I watch about the same amount of ice hockey.

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat70 on Jun 14, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got to love it coaching my kids through the Y programs. It really is

the best overall sport for young kids and after you watch it awhile, it does get into your blood. That comes from someone who never played it and grew up playing the normal big 3 sports….at least the big 3 here in the U.S.

You can't fix "stupid"!

by UKlvrJM on Jun 14, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I appreciate ...

the kind words and thoughts so many of you have written. I know some of you question the necessity of me writing this “clarification,” but I felt strongly led to let everyone know my intent was not to insult or disrespect anyone. The ASoB community is a vast and expansive collection of personalities, and it is my fault that I didn’t take into account that some folks might not take kindly to what was meant to be a light-hearted comment.

Thanks again, guys and gals.

by Ken Howlett on Jun 15, 2010 1:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Ken

The very fact that YOU believed that your article, in retrospect, though I do not, offended
some, I have always respected a man who is willing to stand up and say, “I was wrong
and apologize.”

That to me is an honorable man. Thanks for all of your articles. Most enlightening.

Big Dan Issel......The Best there is.

by alwaysblue on Jun 15, 2010 7:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Sam Gilbert

If wikipedia information is valid then this link tells all about Gilbert and UCLA:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Gilbert_(American_Businessman)

Nick

by KansasUKCat on Jun 15, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Bill Walton - Sam Gilbert

This link is also very revealing:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=dw-uclalegacy040206

Nothing wrong with discussing the truth. If this type of activity had taken place during the tenures of Coach Rupp or Hall, UK would had been given the death sentence by the NCAA and the press may have had a field day with it to boot. Bobby Knight may not have commented though.

Nick

by KansasUKCat on Jun 15, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

It Did Under Hall

UK paid players in 1970’s and 80’s.

1976 – NCAA sanctions in 1977 and 78.

1984 – NCAA letter of reprimand in 1988.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 15, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But assistant coaches were involved, too.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 16, 2010 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

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